Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 , " sfacets " <sfacets@> wrote: - " part of the blame should be passed on to Sahajayogis who do not use their witness powers to discern any inapropriate actions taken by 'leaders' who in turn may cause harm on others. " Dear " S " , Your statement is true, " S " . However, if you reveal your identity on this forum, and have decided that your " witnessing power " also involves the " dire need " to 'speak up' about the inappropriate actions of leaders.....the following is what will happen to you: - 1. You get telephoned by the local collective leader. 2. You are asked to please refrain from posting on this forum. 3. You are told that your 'continuing happy membership' in the Organization of Sahaja Yoga' could be 'at risk'. 4. You are told that Jagbir is NOT a Sahaja Yogi....(when he is actually the most courageous yogi of all yogis i have ever come across, and i have come across many in my 13 years or so in the Organization of SY.) And it goes on and on from there. The whole thing is just a lot of stupidity. As i have said before, there seems to be no real spiritual intelligence among these 'so-called leaders.' Why can't they just leave yogis to continue their spiritual journey without wanting to dominate EVERYTHING and EVERYONE. But....instead, they have become " spiritual bullies " . It is common knowledge that when faced with a " bully " , that the normal way of dealing with people, does not work when dealing with bullies. What " bullies " respect and understand is the hierarchy of " power " and " power relationships " . To get " through " to them, you actually have to 'stand up to them' in an 'eyeball to eyeball' manner. That is the only way they will eventually 'back off', take note of what is said, and at the very least, 'tone down' their bullying tactics. The Vishuddhi Power of Communication is also very much tied in with the " Kalki Power " of the Age of Aquarius, where all is exposed that is corrupt. That is why we have computers where we can witness together all these inappropriate events that are happening (which are suppressed on all other SY Websites and forums) and together put these issues in our collective attention, while at the same time....addressing them. Because what is worked out in " Sahaja Yoga " , is also " worked out " in the world-at-large. This is why it is such an important task (not to mention that we are also trying to prevent innocent people from also becoming dominated by these bullies.) The worst thing we can do, is to give these " bullies " our will, because all they are after is the perennial power over the masses...(a.k.a. " religious domination " .) violet , " Violet " <violet.tubb@. ...> wrote: > > Dear All, > > P.S. i have one more thing to add: - > > Shri Mataji told us that She has finished Her Work. 'Finishing Her Work' also included leaving behind NO successor. She did not appoint any particular individual to replace Her as " the boss " . (She obviously wanted it that way, because if She had wanted one, She would have arranged it.) > > However, She did say that those who had the spiritual vibrations should carry on Her Message. In that sense, all those who can feel the vibrations and are able to give Her Message; they are Her natural successors, because they are Her Children. Shri Mataji has as many successors as there are those who follow Her Will and apply it in their lives. > > Considering that Shri Mataji has said that She has " finished " Her Work, why then have WCASY had to " finish " Her Work for Her? After all, Shri Mataji could have appointed a suitable " successor " anytime over the 40 years or so, but She chose NOT to do so. i also must emphasize that when Shri Mataji states that She has " finished " Her Work........ " SHE HAS FINISHED HER WORK.....PERIOD!!! > > The stark reality is: - > > " SHE NEVER APPOINTED A SUCCESSOR " ! > > Logically speaking then, from the time of the utterance that She had finished Her Work.....it was finished. There was nothing that She had left " undone " that needed to be done. Therefore, whatever WCASY have " done " since that Time, has been done by them, and NOT by Shri Mataji ......'logically speaking'. What WCASY have done and continue to do since Shri Mataji declared that She had finished Her Work, CANNOT be the Work of Shri Mataji! > > In fairness to WCASY.....they obviously did not believe that Shri Mataji had finished Her Work, when She had somehow " failed " to appoint a successor. Therefore, they duly proceeded to " tie up " this " loose end " and arranged to appoint " themselves " as successors and inheritors of Her Will. > > Shri Mataji knew this would happen, which is why She put so many 'checks and balances' into place, and warned us so much about leaders, saying that 'leadership is a maya', etc. etc. etc. Meanwhile, She encouraged us time and again, not only to become our own masters, but our own teachers and our own gurus as well. WCASY are not allowed to be our own masters, teachers, and gurus. Shri Mataji's 'prescription' was to be 'that' to ourselves only! > > In regards to the 'tying up of loose ends', a yogi once informed me that Shri Mataji told this yogi to go ahead and do 'so and so' before " they " would 'tie up all the loose ends' in the Organization of Sahaja Yoga. Shri Mataji said this years ago (in reference to those who " fit " into this category). > > It is obvious to me that " they " also must include " those " who have 'tied up' what they thought Shri Mataji had left 'undone'...... especially in regards to a successor. " They " are obviously the ones who have gone to extreme lengths to 'tie up' the 'successor problem' by arranging " themselves " to now be the successors and inheritors of what now has become " Her Exclusive Will " . > > violet > > > , " Violet " <violet. tubb@ > > ..> wrote: > > > > " If Sahaja Yogis accept such leaders, then that is what they are > going to be 'served up'. Mother is not in a position anymore to send > them away like She used to, since they have usurped Her Will. It is up > to us now to stand up to these bullies, who are only supposed to be > administrative 'stamp lickers' and 'letter posters'. If we allow them > to be anything more, then as you say, " S " , we are just not using our > spiritual discernment " > > > > Dear All, > > > > If i had ever thought that Shri Mataji would eventually give Her > Will over to a few SY's, i would have left the organization years ago, > knowing that no True Guru, let alone Adi Shakti would ever do that. > > > > As it stands, if that had been Shri Mataji's wish, why did She not > institutionalize Her Will into these leaders years ago, and put it > into writing? (This is a rhetorical queston; it does not need to be > > answered). > > > > Oh, yes......(i almost forgot)......and why is it that only at the > same time that She is given risperidone, that Her Will has finally > been transferred to these villains? (This is a rhetorical queston > which doesn't need answering either). > > > > violet > > > > > > > , " sfacets " <sfacets@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > " I totally agree that the leader situation in Sahaj has become > > something akin to the rabbit/canetoad infestation in Australia, but > to > > vilinize people left and right cannot be right, considering that > part > > of the blame should be passed on to Sahajayogis who do not use their > > witness powers to discern any inapropriate actions taken by > 'leaders' > > who in turn may cause harm on others. " > > > > > > Dear " S " , > > > > > > Since we have been 'wickedly villainizing' leaders left, right, > and > > centre, they have somewhat softened their attitudes, which is what > > happens when people stand up to bullies. The time to tolerate > > 'villainous bullying' behaviour is over now. If leaders and others > > have not learned by now that tactics of domination are not going to > be > > tolerated.... i just don't know. To repeat the refrain of a song: - > > " When will they ever learn? When WILL they eeeeeeeever learn??? " > > > > > > i wonder how much intelligence it really takes to understand that > > dominating people is 'just not on'? Why is it that " leaders " are > > particularly prone to this negativity. Maybe, by sacking leader > after > > leader, Shri Mataji was making a statement, that we should never > > forget. > > > > > > Every time Shri Mataji came to town, it seemed that a leader 'hit > > the dust' for one reason or another. In a manner of speaking.... it > > could be said that Shri Mataji 'villainized' the 'villains' right > off > > the stage of Sahaja Yoga. > > > > > > If Sahaja Yogis accept such leaders, then that is what they are > > going to be 'served up'. Mother is not in a position anymore to send > > them away like She used to, since they have usurped Her Will. It is > up > > to us now to stand up to these bullies, who are only supposed to be > > administrative 'stamp lickers' and 'letter posters'. If we allow > them > > to be anything more, then like you say, " S " , we are just not using > our > > spiritual discernment. > > > > > > violet > > > > > > > > > > Hi Violet, > > > > > > > > Well considering that we basically grew up in Dharamsala, there > > > can't > > > > be too many I remember at the time in the early years of the > > > school > > > > we were all in " awe " (for lack of a better word) of YM probably > > > > something to do with the beard and uncanny ability to not smile. > > > ever. > > > > My point is once I asked the girl in question what it was like > > > having > > > > YM as a father, and she answered something to the effect that it > > > > wasn't a big deal... and I can attest that no special favours > were > > > > shown to her because of who her father was. I totally agrree > that > > > the > > > > leader situation in Sahaj has become something akin to the > > > > rabbit/canetoad infestation in Australia, but to vilinize people > > > left > > > > and right cannot be right, considering that part of the blame > > should > > > > be passed on to Sahajayogis who do not use their witness powers > to > > > > discern any inapropriate actions taken by 'leaders' who in turn > > may > > > > cause harm on others. > > > > > > > > S > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Violet " > > > > <violet.tubb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear " S " , > > > > > > > > > > i am sure that many others have also grown up with the young > > lady, > > > who > > > > > apparently... ONCE... was a " pesky " little girl, when she went > > > > around telling people who her father was, thus making people > feel > > > > rather intimidated. It is common knowledge that this is a > frequent > > > > scenario in church congregations, with the minister's wife and > > > > children also wielding their authority, in just such a manner. > > > > > > > > > > " Leaders " .... especially those who consider themselves to be > > very > > > > important, (and we have proof that this was the case with this > > > girl's > > > > father, because he did not even defer to Shri Mataji's wishes in > a > > > > particular matter)....well, they, their wife and children become > a > > > > sort of 'public property', just like any other public figure > > becomes > > > > 'public property', because of the role they take. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, if someone objects to the 'minister's daughter' > > > wielding > > > > her authority, they do so in her role as the minister's daughter > > and > > > > not as the person herself. Therefore, for yourself to jump in > and > > > take > > > > issue on what is a 'public' and not a 'private' issue, is > > > inappropriate. > > > > > > > > > > If facts be spoken, what should really offend you, is that > this > > > very > > > > girl's father, abused his leadership authority and called > innocent > > > > children as " possessed " . i am sure Jagbir would not have minded > > one > > > > bit if his children had been called " pesky " instead of > > " possessed " . > > > > > > > > > > So, lets stick to the facts, shall we. We are just too well > > > informed > > > > on this forum to be whitewashed by idle banter. > > > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > > > > > > violet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sfacets " <sfacets@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Having grown up alongside this " Pesky little girl " I can > > attest > > > that > > > > > > she was treated no different to other children. Believing > > > rumours > > > > > and > > > > > > idle banter, and worse, respond to it, makes you better than > > > those > > > > > you > > > > > > criticise how? To keep with your analogy, give a dog a bone, > > and > > > > > he'll > > > > > > be back for more. Please keep with facts, and try to refrain > > > from > > > > > > going on tangents. > > > > > > Respect and love, > > > > > > S > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jagbir singh " > > > > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " my2pai " > > > <my2pai@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sohniya and everybody, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can empathize with you concerning your problems with > the > > > > > > > > leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common > > problem > > > > > > > > indeed in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the > > > internal > > > > > > > > obstacles they have to overcome and then they have more > > > > > headaches > > > > > > > > in the form of the local Sahaj mafia hoods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More often than not, even the wives and children of the > > > leaders > > > > > > > > can get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India > > > Tour, > > > > > some > > > > > > > > Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged > > > about > > > > > > > > eleven, who used to get everything her way with a " Do > you > > > know > > > > > > > > that my father is YM? " Truth to tell, even apparently > > senior > > > SYs > > > > > > > > were checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who- > my- > > > father- > > > > > is > > > > > > > > gambit of this pesky kid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the > > leaders > > > > > even > > > > > > > > from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a > > > Puja > > > > > > > > speech where She speaks about the problem: " If we > appoint > > > > > somebody > > > > > > > > as a leader, the leader may start thinking that he's > > really > > > the > > > > > > > > leader. And then it becomes really a problem for him > > because > > > he > > > > > > > > starts losing everything that is leadership. But the > worst > > > is, > > > > > > > > their wives start thinking they're the leaders; and > > > sometimes > > > > > the > > > > > > > > children also think that way and I won't be surprised > even > > > if > > > > > > > > their dogs and pets behave that way. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have > become > > > the > > > > > > > > leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj > > > leaders > > > > > have > > > > > > > > really and deservedly gone to the dogs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And YM is that infamous ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan who > > ruled > > > > > like > > > > > > > a despot on the land the International Sahaja Yoga school > > was > > > > > built. > > > > > > > The corrupting power of being both landlord and director > of > > > the > > > > > > > school is known to the few like Kash who crossed his path. > > > Yogi > > > > > > > Mahajan was a scheming dictator and propaganda minister > the > > > likes > > > > > of > > > > > > > which i hope never to come across. His word (and web of > lies > > > and > > > > > > > deceit) uttered on his estate in Dharamsala, India was law > > > unto > > > > > all > > > > > > > mortals under his jurisdiction, even prevailing over that > of > > > Shri > > > > > > > Mataji thousands of miles away in Cabella, Italy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus when Shri Mataji overruled his decision to expel my > son > > > as > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > Mahajan believed Kash was demonic - since YM believed only > > > Satan > > > > > > > could empower this child to daily meet Her within his > > > Sahasrara at > > > > > > > will - Yogi Mahajan schemed with his crony Mrs. Chitnavis, > > the > > > > > > > headmistress appointed by his royal decree, to rid his > > estate > > > of > > > > > > > such satanic souls. Their plot more than fits the required > > > > > Bollywood > > > > > > > script mix of abusive, corrupt and nonsensical leaders who > > are > > > > > evil > > > > > > > incarnate in human bodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To cut a long story short, after Shri Mataji refused to > > agree > > > to > > > > > > > YM's recommendations that my children be removed from > > > Dharamsala, > > > > > > > Kash was suddenly accused of committing the following > crimes > > > in > > > > > > > quick succession: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) that he was a gangster and leader of the school gang > > (after > > > a > > > > > few > > > > > > > of his friends, inspired by the movie, got together and > > formed > > > the > > > > > > > Dead Poets Society); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) was showing porn to grade 6 girls (but no victim, > witness > > > or > > > > > > > smut was produced as evidence); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) was possessed by demons (and had to spend one month in > > > solitary > > > > > > > confinement to rid him of his demonic ability to meet and > > > converse > > > > > > > with the Adi Shakti and other messengers of God Almighty); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) a silhouette was judged by the bespectacled principle > > Mrs. > > > > > > > Chitnavis as evidence he was lurking at night around the > > > girls' > > > > > > > dormitories (even though anyone with poor vision would > find > > it > > > > > next > > > > > > > to impossible to recognize any shadow from i) a few > hundred > > > yards > > > > > on > > > > > > > ii) a moonless night at iii) an impossible angle from her > > > office); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are other minor charges - like snacking after meals, > > > talking > > > > > > > with girls (while playing), coming late for havan (by a > few > > > > > > > minutes) - that made Ted Bundy turn green with envy and > > > raging-red > > > > > > > jealous of Kash's rap sheet. Kash's brown skin was also a > > > > > > > disadvantage. According to Mrs. Chitnavis, his Indian > genes > > > should > > > > > > > always behave better than those scheduled class Caucasians > > who > > > > > were > > > > > > > innocent by reason of pardesi color and spirituality- > > deficient > > > > > > > births for committing the same 'crimes'. (As i have said > > > before, > > > > > all > > > > > > > of us have had too much of Sahaj love and too much of it > can > > > kill > > > > > .) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So with all these new charges Shri Mataji was overruled > > > despite > > > > > Her > > > > > > > explicitly confirming that under no circumstance were any > of > > > them > > > > > to > > > > > > > be sent back. Despite a second stay confirmation from Shri > > > Mataji > > > > > > > both brothers were exiled from the despot's kingdom. To > > > maximize > > > > > > > insult to injury both brothers had to spend the last few > > days > > > in a > > > > > > > run-down Dharamsala hotel, before being unceremoniously > > dumped > > > in > > > > > > > New Delhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As these events in Dharamsala were unfolding and Kash kept > > in > > > > > > > isolation, Shri Mataji was on Her way to North America. i > > > prepared > > > > > a > > > > > > > letter before proceeding to Toronto on September 18, 1997, > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > intention of delivering it to Her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next day i was warned by the Canadian leader Jay > > Chudasama > > > at > > > > > > > the Toronto ashram that i was in danger of being thrown > out > > of > > > > > > > Sahaja Yoga if i persisted in accusing the school board of > > > > > > > wrongdoing. i replied that i was prepared to leave Sahaja > > > Yoga, > > > > > but > > > > > > > under no circumstances will i withdraw my letter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was in this state of mind that i walked into Shri > > Mataji's > > > > > hotel > > > > > > > suite in Toronto on September 19, 1996, at about 4:15 p. m. > > and > > > > > > > prostrated completely (Ashtanga Namaskar) at Her Lotus > Feet. > > > Shri > > > > > > > Mataji Nirmala Devi had summoned me (without even opening > > the > > > > > letter > > > > > > > which i had handed Her at Toronto's Pearson Airport) to > > > discuss > > > > > > > about my children at Her school in Dharamsala, India. SY > Jay > > > > > > > Chudasama and Dr. Mishra were also present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Mahamaya asked me the most mundane of questions: " Are > > you > > > a > > > > > > > Sikh? " . . . " When did you join Sahaja Yoga? " . . . " What > > were > > > you > > > > > > > doing all the while? " . . . " Are you alright with your > wife? > > " > > > > > There > > > > > > > was not a single query on Kash's spiritual journeys or any > > > related > > > > > > > topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi then requested Kash and his > younger > > > > > brother > > > > > > > be brought back to Canada. There was somehow not even the > > > > > slightest > > > > > > > ripple of reaction from me. For some reason, in my > > thoughtless > > > > > > > state, the most ridiculous of charges sounded like music > to > > my > > > > > ears. > > > > > > > Shri Mataji had done Her best to keep Kash in Dharamsala > > > (twice > > > > > for > > > > > > > the matter), but the despot Yogi Mahajan was determined > and > > > > > > > overturned even Her final decision. She had to defer to > the > > > > > landlord > > > > > > > of Her school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi had finished talking about > the > > > > > school > > > > > > > board charges the issue of publishing this book was again > > > raised — > > > > > > > for the third time. i had accepted all allegations with > > > complete > > > > > > > calmness and was prepared for a negative answer. This > would > > be > > > the > > > > > > > best opportunity for the Great Divine Mother to stop its > > > > > > > publication. Kash, the very child to whom Shri Maha Avatar > > > Shri > > > > > > > Nirmala Devi had revealed Her Ultimate Reality, was facing > > > serious > > > > > > > charges; accusations that he and his brother vehemently > > > denied. > > > > > > > (Their mother had already crumbled under the onslaught of > > > recent > > > > > > > events. It was she who reminded me to make sure that Shri > > > Mataji's > > > > > > > permission to publish Her book be again obtained. In her > > mind > > > > > these > > > > > > > revelations were still for the family only, and the Great > > > > > Primordial > > > > > > > Mother might terminate publication of this book — and > > finally > > > give > > > > > > > her family some peace of mind from the relentless > onslaught > > of > > > > > > > negativity.) As far as i was concerned this would be the > > best > > > > > reason > > > > > > > and opportunity for Shri Mataji to cease work on the book > > > based on > > > > > a > > > > > > > child whom world leader Yogi Mahajan claimed to be a > > gangster > > > and > > > > > > > demon-possessed porn-peddler. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Mataji told those present that permission had already > > > been > > > > > > > granted previously, and there was no need to ask again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i spontaneously raised my folded hands high above my head > in > > > > > > > Namaskar and exclaimed, " Jai Shri Mataji! " (Victory to the > > > Mother > > > > > !) > > > > > > > The Great Divine Mother ended the meeting with Her > blessings > > > of > > > > > > > Anant Ashirvad (Everlasting Blessings) in my endeavor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After that i waited for years before Shri Mataji expelled > > Yogi > > > > > > > Mahajan. As far as my family is concerned this is sweet > > > justice > > > > > > > meted upon the most powerful, abusive, corrupt and > > nonsensical > > > of > > > > > SY > > > > > > > leaders trying to destory Her Truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan Wherry and his WCASY pals and Will-wannabee cronies > > like > > > > > John > > > > > > > Noyce, Ed Suagstad, Raj and others have since taken over > > where > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > Mahajan left. So all of you just stay on the battlefield > and > > > stand > > > > > > > your ground with all your murmurings, gossips, > accusations, > > > lies > > > > > and > > > > & amp;amp;gt; > > slanderings against my children and me. Allan Wherry, i > will > > & gt; see > > > > > how > > > > > > > many of your kind are left standing when the dust finally > > > settles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Shri Ganapathi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jagbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sfacets " <sfacets@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Violet, > > > > > > > > Well considering that we basically grew up in Dharamsala, there > > > can't > > > > be too many I remember at the time in the early years of the > > > school > > > > we were all in " awe " (for lack of a better word) of YM probably > > > > something to do with the beard and uncanny ability to not smile. > > > ever. > > > > My point is once I asked the girl in question what it was like > > > having > > > > YM as a father, and she answered something to the effect that it > > > > wasn't a big deal... and I can attest that no special favours > were > > > > shown to her because of who her father was. I totally agrree > that > > > the > > > > leader situation in Sahaj has become something akin to the > > > > rabbit/canetoad infestation in Australia, but to vilinize people > > > left > > > > and right cannot be right, considering that part of the blame > > should > > > > be passed on to Sahajayogis who do not use their witness powers > to > > > > discern any inapropriate actions taken by 'leaders' who in turn > > may > > > > cause harm on others. > > > > > > > > S > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Violet " > > > > <violet.tubb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear " S " , > > > > > > > > > > i am sure that many others have also grown up with the young > > lady, > > > who > > > > > apparently... ONCE... was a " pesky " little girl, when she went > > > > around telling people who her father was, thus making people > feel > > > > rather intimidated. It is common knowledge that this is a > frequent > > > > scenario in church congregations, with the minister's wife and > > > > children also wielding their authority, in just such a manner. > > > > > > > > > > " Leaders " .... especially those who consider themselves to be > > very > > > > important, (and we have proof that this was the case with this > > > girl's > > > > father, because he did not even defer to Shri Mataji's wishes in > a > > > > particular matter)....well, they, their wife and children become > a > > > > sort of 'public property', just like any other public figure > > becomes > > > > 'public property', because of the role they take. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, if someone objects to the 'minister's daughter' > > > wielding > > > > her authority, they do so in her role as the minister's daughter > > and > > > > not as the person herself. Therefore, for yourself to jump in > and > > > take > > > > issue on what is a 'public' and not a 'private' issue, is > > > inappropriate. > > > > > > > > > > If facts be spoken, what should really offend you, is that > this > > > very > > > > girl's father, abused his leadership authority and called > innocent > > > > children as " possessed " . i am sure Jagbir would not have minded > > one > > > > bit if his children had been called " pesky " instead of > > " possessed " . > > > > > > > > > > So, lets stick to the facts, shall we. We are just too well > > > informed > > > > on this forum to be whitewashed by idle banter. > > > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > > > > > > violet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sfacets " <sfacets@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Having grown up alongside this " Pesky little girl " I can > > attest > > > that > > > > > > she was treated no different to other children. Believing > > > rumours > > > > > and > > > > > > idle banter, and worse, respond to it, makes you better than > > > those > > > > > you > > > > > > criticise how? To keep with your analogy, give a dog a bone, > > and > > > > > he'll > > > > > > be back for more. Please keep with facts, and try to refrain > > > from > > > > > > going on tangents. > > > > > > Respect and love, > > > > > > S > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jagbir singh " > > > > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " my2pai " > > > <my2pai@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sohniya and everybody, > > > > > > > > > >; > > > > > > I can empathize with you concerning your problems with > the > > > > > > > > leadership in your Sahaj center. It is a very common > > problem > > > > > > > > indeed in the ascent of Sahaja Yogis - what with the > > > internal > > > > > > > > obstacles they have to overcome and then they have more > > > > > headaches > > > > > > > > in the form of the local Sahaj mafia hoods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More often than not, even the wives and children of the > > > leaders > > > > > > > > can get into the act. In the mid nineties, on the India > > > Tour, > > > > > some > > > > > > > > Sahaja Yogis might have met a little girl, probably aged > > > about > > > > > > > > eleven, who used to get everything her way with a " Do > you > > > know > > > > > > > > that my father is YM? " Truth to tell, even apparently > > senior > > > SYs > > > > > > > > were checkmated and laid low with the do-you-know-who- > my- > > > father- > > > > > is > > > > > > > > gambit of this pesky kid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Mataji has been aware of this problem among the > > leaders > > > > > even > > > > > > > > from the earliest days. I append below an excerpt from a > > > Puja > > > > > > > > speech where She speaks about the problem: " If we > appoint > > > > > somebody > > & gt; > > > > > as a leader, the leader may start thinking that he's > > really > > > the > > > > > > > > leader. And then it becomes really a problem for him > > because > > > he > > > > > > & gt; > starts losing everything that is leadership. But the > worst > > > is, > > > > > > > > their wives start thinking they're the leaders; and > > > sometimes > > > > > the > > > > > > > > children also think that way and I won't be surprised > even > > > if > > > > > > > > their dogs and pets behave that way. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, even their dogs start behaving as if they have > become > > > the > > > > > > > > leaders. Then perhaps we can conclude that such Sahaj > > > leaders > > > > > have > > > > > > > > really and deservedly gone to the dogs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And YM is that infamous ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan who > > ruled > > > > > like > > > > > > > a despot on the land the International Sahaja Yoga school > > was > > > > > built. > > > > > > > The corrupting power of being both landlord and director > of > > > the > > > > > > > school is known to the few like Kash who crossed his path. > > > Yogi > > > > > > > Mahajan was a scheming dictator and propaganda minister > the > > > likes > > > > > of > > > > > > > which i hope never to come across. His word (and web of > lies > > > and > > > > > > > deceit) uttered on his estate in Dharamsala, India was law > > > unto > > > > > all > > > > > > > mortals under his jurisdiction, even prevailing over that > of > > > Shri > > > > > > > Mataji thousands of miles away in Cabella, Italy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus when Shri Mataji overruled his decision to expel my > son > > > as > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > Mahajan believed Kash was demonic - since YM believed only > > > Satan > > > > > > > could empower this child to daily meet Her within his > > > Sahasrara at > > > > > > > will - Yogi Mahajan schemed with his crony Mrs. Chitnavis, > > the > > > > > > > headmistress appointed by his royal decree, to rid his > > estate > > > of > > > > > > > such satanic souls. Their plot more than fits the required > > > > > Bollywood > > > > > > > script mix of abusive, corrupt and nonsensical leaders who > > are > > > > > evil > > > > > > > incarnate in human bodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To cut a long story short, after Shri Mataji refused to > > agree > > > to > > > > > > > YM's recommendations that my children be removed from > > > Dharamsala, > > > > > > > Kash was suddenly accused of committing the following > crimes > > > in > > > > > > > quick succession: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) that he was a gangster and leader of the school gang > > (after > > > a > > > > > few > > > > > > > of his friends, inspired by the movie, got together and > > formed > > > the > > > > > > > Dead Poets Society); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) was showing porn to grade 6 girls (but no victim, > witness > > > or > > > > > > > smut was produced as evidence); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) was possessed by demons (and had to spend one month in > > > solitary > > > > > > > confinement to rid him of his demonic ability to meet and > > > converse > > > > > > > with the Adi Shakti and other messengers of God Almighty); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) a silhouette was judged by the bespectacled principle > > Mrs. > > > > > > > Chitnavis as evidence he was lurking at night around the > > > girls' > > > > > > > dormitories (even though anyone with poor vision would > find > > it > > > > > next > > > > > > > to impossible to recognize any shadow from i) a few > hundred > > > yards > > > > > on > > > > > > > ii) a moonless night at iii) an impossible angle from her > > > office); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are other minor charges - like snacking after meals, > > > talking > > > > > > > with girls (while playing), coming late for havan (by a > few > > > > > > > minutes) - that made Ted Bundy turn green with envy and > > > raging-red > > > > > > > jealous of Kash's rap sheet. Kash's brown skin was also a > > > > > > > disadvantage. According to Mrs. Chitnavis, his Indian > genes > > > should > > > > > > > always behave better than those scheduled class Caucasians > > who > > > > > were > > > > > > > innocent by reason of pardesi color and spirituality- > > deficient > > > > > > > births for committing the same 'crimes'. (As i have said > > > before, > > > > > all > > > > > > > of us have had too much of Sahaj love and too much of it > can > > > kill > > > > > .) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So with all these new charges Shri Mataji was overruled > > > despite > > > > > Her > > > > > > > explicitly confirming that under no circumstance were any > of > > > them > > > > > to > > > > > > > be sent back. Despite a second stay confirmation from Shri > > > Mataji > > > > > > > both brothers were exiled from the despot's kingdom. To > > > maximize > > > > > > > insult to injury both brothers had to spend the last few > > days > > > in a > > > > > > > run-down Dharamsala hotel, before being unceremoniously > > dumped > > > in > > > > > > > New Delhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As these events in Dharamsala were unfolding and Kash kept > > in > > > > > > > isolation, Shri Mataji was on Her way to North America. i > > > prepared > > > > > a > > > > > > > letter before proceeding to Toronto on September 18, 1997, > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > intention of delivering it to Her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next day i was warned by the Canadian leader Jay > > Chudasama > > > at > > > > > > > the Toronto ashram that i was in danger of being thrown > out > > of > > > > > > > Sahaja Yoga if i persisted in accusing the school board of > > > > > > > wrongdoing. i replied that i was prepared to leave Sahaja > > > Yoga, > > > > > but > > > > > > > under no circumstances will i withdraw my letter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was in this state of mind that i walked into Shri > > Mataji's > > > > > hotel > > > > > > > suite in Toronto on September 19, 1996, at about 4:15 p. m. > > and > > > > > > > prostrated completely (Ashtanga Namaskar) at Her Lotus > Feet. > > > Shri > > > > > > > Mataji Nirmala Devi had summoned me (without even opening > > the > > > > > letter > > > > > > > which i had handed Her at Toronto's Pearson Airport) to > > > discuss > > > > > > > about my children at Her school in Dharamsala, India. SY > Jay > > > > > > > Chudasama and Dr. Mishra were also present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Mahamaya asked me the most mundane of questions: " Are > > you > > > a > > > > > > > Sikh? " . . . " When did you join Sahaja Yoga? " . . . " What > > were > > > you > > > > > > > doing all the while? " . . . " Are you alright with your > wife? > > " > > > > > There > > > > > > > was not a single query on Kash's spiritual journeys or any > > > related > > > > > > > topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi then requested Kash and his > younger > > > > > brother > > > > > > > be brought back to Canada. There was somehow not even the > > > > > slightest > > > > > > > ripple of reaction from me. For some reason, in my > > thoughtless > > > > > > > state, the most ridiculous of charges sounded like music > to > > my > > > > > ears. > > > > > > > Shri Mataji had done Her best to keep Kash in Dharamsala > > > (twice > > > > > for > > > > > > > the matter), but the despot Yogi Mahajan was determined > and > > > > > > > overturned even Her final decision. She had to defer to > the > > > > > landlord > > > > > > > of Her school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi had finished talking about > the > > > > > school > > > > > > > board charges the issue of publishing this book was again > > > raised — > > > > > > > for the third time. i had accepted all allegations with > > > complete > > > > > > > calmness and was prepared for a negative answer. This > would > > be > > > the > > > > > > > best opportunity for the Great Divine Mother to stop its > > > > > > > publication. Kash, the very child to whom Shri Maha Avatar > > > Shri > > > > > > > Nirmala Devi had revealed Her Ultimate Reality, was facing > > > serious > > > > > > > charges; accusations that he and his brother vehemently > > > denied. > > > > > > > (Their mother had already crumbled under the onslaught of > > > recent > > > > > > > events. It was she who reminded me to make sure that Shri > > > Mataji's > > > > > > > permission to publish Her book be again obtained. In her > > mind > > > > > these > > > > > > > revelations were still for the family only, and the Great > > > > > Primordial > > > > > > > Mother might terminate publication of this book — and > > finally > > > give > > > > > > > her family some peace of mind from the relentless > onslaught > > of > > > > > > > negativity.) As far as i was concerned this would be the > > best > > > > > reason > > > > > > > and opportunity for Shri Mataji to cease work on the book > > > based on > > > > > a > > > > > > > child whom world leader Yogi Mahajan claimed to be a > > gangster > > > and > > > > > > > demon-possessed porn-peddler. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Mataji told those present that permission had already > > > been > > > > > > > granted previously, and there was no need to ask again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i spontaneously raised my folded hands high above my head > in > > > > > > > Namaskar and exclaimed, " Jai Shri Mataji! " (Victory to the > > > Mother > > > > > !) > > > > > > > The Great Divine Mother ended the meeting with Her > blessings > > > of > > > > > > > Anant Ashirvad (Everlasting Blessings) in my endeavor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After that i waited for years before Shri Mataji expelled > > Yogi > > > > > > > Mahajan. As far as my family is concerned this is sweet > > > justice > > > > > > > meted upon the most powerful, abusive, corrupt and > > nonsensical > > > of > > > > > SY > > > > > > > leaders trying to destory Her Truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan Wherry and his WCASY pals and Will-wannabee cronies > > like > > > > > John > > > > > > > Noyce, Ed Suagstad, Raj and others have since taken over > > where > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > Mahajan left. So all of you just stay on the battlefield > and > > > stand > > > > > > > your ground with all your murmurings, gossips, > accusations, > > > lies > > > > > and > > > > > > > slanderings against my children and me. Allan Wherry, i > will > > > see > > > > > how > > > > > > > many of your kind are left standing when the dust finally > > > settles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Shri Ganapathi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jagbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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