A shining example of Sahaj Love set by the SY leadership

[Guest guest]

There has been some shocking news going through our East Coast

Emails, that their son died this week in an accident.

 

A US council member said it was because they turned against SY.

 

Even I, a dedicated SY find this statement despicable. All Sys who

read this should speak out against such a cruel hearted statement

from the " US leadership " .

 

- Jeff

 

-------------

 

Well Jeff, the US leadership, saturated as they are with Sahaj Love,

are just ridding itself of excess. i do not understand why you are

criticizing the ones chosen by the official chosen ones. These

highly evolved self-realized souls are only saying the obvious to

the grieving parents Mark and Dominique Sutherland: " You deserve the

wrath of God for leaving Sahaja Yoga. This will be a fitting lesson

and example to all who defy us. "

 

So please do not piss them off unnecessarily. You have no idea what

they will utter and claim without the restraining goodness of Sahaj

Love. It is better you withdraw your statement, confess and beg for

forgiveness from both the US leadership and big brother WCASY.

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

Jeff and all, WCASY needs to learn when to keep their mouths shut - to put it bluntly. Descrimination is so lacking with the US leadership. Unbelievable. Why anyone would make any comment as to why this person died is beyond me. To assume that one knows the reasons for the divine plan smacks of EGO. So, forgive them for their egos; they don't realize they have them still. Also, we all need to learn to detatch from all earthly things (people included) as they are props to our play. Suzyjagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: There has been some shocking news going through our East Coast Emails, that their son died this week in an accident.A US council member said it was because they turned against SY.Even I, a dedicated SY find this statement despicable. All Sys who read this should speak out against such a cruel hearted statement from the "US leadership".- Jeff-------------Well Jeff, the US leadership, saturated as they are with Sahaj Love, are just ridding itself of excess. i do not understand why you are criticizing the ones chosen by the official chosen ones. These highly evolved self-realized souls are only saying the obvious to the grieving parents Mark and Dominique Sutherland: "You deserve the wrath of God for leaving Sahaja Yoga. This will be a fitting lesson and

example to all who defy us."So please do not piss them off unnecessarily. You have no idea what they will utter and claim without the restraining goodness of Sahaj Love. It is better you withdraw your statement, confess and beg for forgiveness from both the US leadership and big brother WCASY.jagbir

Groups are talking. We’re listening. Check out the handy changes to .

[Guest guest]

And yet this WCASY council member claims to re/present the Will of

Shri Mataji. For the rest of their lives SYs will have their

intelligence insulted and bear further indignations committed by the

hijackers of Shri Mataji's Will. (i feel insulted just writing this.)

 

i was curious - Do the remaining separate and far-flung Will-bearers

know of this council member's despicable behavior? i mean how does

this WCASY-Will actually work - by telepathy, telephone or email?

Are all Will-bearers agreeable to the US council member's arrogant

and heartless comment on a tragic loss? Whether the answers

are " yes " or " no " it will only lead to further confusion and self-

delusion, a catch-22 dilemma unlike anything SYs have known before.

 

But how will SYs explain to newcomers that WCASY members share the

Adi Shakti's Will amongst themselves, and all will have to defer to

this cloned Will? Only idiots will believe and join them!

 

jagbir

 

 

, Suzy Creamcheese

<suzyogi wrote:

>

> Jeff and all,

>

> WCASY needs to learn when to keep their mouths shut - to put it

bluntly. Descrimination is so lacking with the US leadership.

Unbelievable. Why anyone would make any comment as to why this

person died is beyond me. To assume that one knows the reasons for

the divine plan smacks of EGO. So, forgive them for their egos;

they don't realize they have them still.

>

> Also, we all need to learn to detatch from all earthly things

(people included) as they are props to our play.

>

> Suzy

>

> jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:

>

>

> There has been some shocking news going through our East Coast

> Emails, that their son died this week in an accident.

>

> A US council member said it was because they turned against SY.

>

> Even I, a dedicated SY find this statement despicable. All Sys who

> read this should speak out against such a cruel hearted statement

> from the " US leadership " .

>

> - Jeff

>

> -------------

>

> Well Jeff, the US leadership, saturated as they are with Sahaj

Love,

> are just ridding itself of excess. i do not understand why you are

> criticizing the ones chosen by the official chosen ones. These

> highly evolved self-realized souls are only saying the obvious to

> the grieving parents Mark and Dominique Sutherland: " You deserve

the

> wrath of God for leaving Sahaja Yoga. This will be a fitting

lesson

> and example to all who defy us. "

>

> So please do not piss them off unnecessarily. You have no idea

what

> they will utter and claim without the restraining goodness of

Sahaj

> Love. It is better you withdraw your statement, confess and beg

for

> forgiveness from both the US leadership and big brother WCASY.

>

> jagbir

 

> Groups are talking. We're listening. Check out the handy changes

to .

>

[Guest guest]

And Jeff, can you post that offensive East Coast email minus your ID?

The only EC council member i can think of is Manoj Kumar. Just want

to be sure that our leaders are really dumb, and carelessly leave

their fingerprints all over the crime scene. The WCASY Propaganda

Minister Alan Wherry is the worst offender and probably dullest - he

left enough self-incriminating evidence against me to land a

mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole.

 

Just need facts to fill up the dossiers of individual Will hijackers. i don't

want future seekers to be fooled by them.

 

jagbir

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> There has been some shocking news going through our East Coast

> Emails, that their son died this week in an accident.

>

> A US council member said it was because they turned against SY.

>

> Even I, a dedicated SY find this statement despicable. All Sys who

> read this should speak out against such a cruel hearted statement

> from the " US leadership " .

>

> - Jeff

>

> -------------

>

> Well Jeff, the US leadership, saturated as they are with Sahaj

Love, are just ridding itself of excess. i do not understand why you

are criticizing the ones chosen by the official chosen ones. These

> highly evolved self-realized souls are only saying the obvious to

> the grieving parents Mark and Dominique Sutherland: " You deserve

the wrath of God for leaving Sahaja Yoga. This will be a fitting

lesson and example to all who defy us. "

>

> So please do not piss them off unnecessarily. You have no idea what

> they will utter and claim without the restraining goodness of Sahaj

> Love. It is better you withdraw your statement, confess and beg for

> forgiveness from both the US leadership and big brother WCASY.

>

> jagbir

>

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

i was given a quote from Shri Mataji to comment:

 

" Best way to practice witness state is not to criticize anyone...

Actually there's nothing to be criticized....You have no right to

criticize anyone or anything. But some people think if you do not

criticize, then it will go on like this and it will never stop. It's

not that...... with that enlightened attention you can just watch

and stop the nonsence that is there. But we are always conscious

that we are something great and we have to do this and we have to do

that. Under these circumstances, what happens is that you become

another problem. Because what can you do? You can't do anything. But

what you can do is to watch. "

 

Perhaps many SYs will rather keep quiet and support the Sahaja Yoga

organization wholeheartedly. Whatever is said on this forum can be

construed as criticism.

 

But then Shri Mataji also said that:

 

" The only time when you should really be angry...when you cannot

tolerate anything against your Mother... or Sahaja Yoga... and one

can get into a tremendous temper - so, to say that a Realised Soul

should not get into a temper is a wrong thing... then, the anger is

spontaneous. " (21 September, 1988)

 

If SYs had the courage and honesty to speak their minds years ago

things would not have reached the crisis levels of today - worldwide

stagnation of the organization, lack of conscience, abusive/arrogant

leaders, factions, power struggles, havan wars, lie-for-the-truth

crusades, matka marathons, hype, empty halls, financially-strapped

ashrams, seekrs fleeing for sake of sanity, .......

 

Now Shri Mataji has resorted to silence and the turf wars are going

from bad to worse. Shri Mataji's closest confidents are roasted in

havans. Those willing to stand for the Truth are demonized. Her Will

has been hijacked without any protest whatsoever from tens of

thousands, as if it is business as usual. Her Divine Message for

humanity has been edited out of WCASY and the Sahaja Yoga

organization.

 

The greatest weapons to slay Her enemies are truth, knowledge and

courage. It does not matter if your own are killed. Shri Krishna set

a fine example for Arjuna to follow. i intend to follow Him too no

matter what the consequences as my conscience is clear. To falter or

even doubt the decision to battle those against the Truth is a sign

of the immense negativity working against the few. It is so easy to

become a SY like the tens of thousands and preach the Sahaja Yoga

Subtle System Religion. It is very difficult to have the courage,

conscience and knowledge to speak about the Divine Message to be

delivered by the Comforter Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. In the end only

one will be left standing. So why doubt the obvious outcome?

 

jagbir

 

 

 

, " Nirvakalpa "

<nirvakalpa wrote:

>

> JSM,

>

> i was just reading through the posts,and iam really suprised by

what i read here. is it REALLY true that someone was giving

> their " expert " opinion on why 2 kids died in an accident? and that

> opinion was that because they quit sy?

>

> what i would like to ask that person, who ever they are, is that

>

> 1- if people (especially newcommers) come to know that they may

die in accidents if they quit sy, would they be willing to join it

in first place?

>

> 2- do all sy's live in absolute bliss, with no problems?

>

> 3- what " expert " opinion he has for the many sy's i know suffering

> from illnesses, accidents, or personal problems?

>

> Its truly heartbreaking for parents to loose their childern, and

as

> aptly said below,

>

> " " Why anyone would make any comment as to why this

> > person died is beyond me. To assume that one knows the reasons

for

> > the divine plan smacks of EGO. " "

>

> Violet was right when she said we need to wash out our dirty

> laundry. the water always gets dirty while washing the cloth, but

> the cloth gets cleaner. In that, a much greater purpose is served.

>

> In most other forums, (infact i know of no other like this one),

> they try to maintain a " clean " forum where dirt is hidden under

the

> rug. in this process, the " cloth " (matters) never gets clean,

only

> stays dirty. matters are not cleared and things stay corrupt.

>

> TRUE peace can only come about when matter's are cleared, not

hidden

> or suppressed inside, TRUE love can only happen when there is no

> more misunderstanding, and TRUTH is only when there are no more

lies.

>

> I would like to thank Violet, Preetibala, and Uncle Jagbir for

their

> kind words on my earlier post. Kindness coupled with truth is the

> best way for everyone including newcommers.

>

> Egocentric declarations like someone dies in an accident when they

> quit sy, serve no purpose, and if i was a newcommer, i would

> probably stay away from sy forever thinking, what if i changed my

> mind and decided to quit...and invite misfortune?

>

> In Violets earlier post, she posted the following lines:

> Words of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi...

>

> " The only time when you should really be angry...when you cannot

> tolerate

> anything against your Mother... or Sahaja Yoga... and one can get

> into a

> tremendous temper - so, to say that a Realised Soul should not get

> into a temper

> is a wrong thing... then, the anger is spontaneous. " (21

September,

> 1988)

>

> I guess the above lines could be prophetic (iam really sincerely

> sorry if iam wrong here - i could be?..), because SM knew that

> thing's like this would happen? and the Holy Mother had already

laid

> out what we can/should do in those situations.

>

> I so wish that before SM leaves the earth in her physical form,

she

> would see us all growing together, instead she see's power

> struggles, fights, lies, deception.

> But the foundation that she has laid of sy is far more stronger

than

> any " negativity " that may try to work against it. Infact the more

> stronger the opposing forces may appear or become, the more

strength

> will be revealed from its core foundation of truth and love.

>

>

> Jai Shri Mataji!

> Love,

> Sohniya

>

>

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > And yet this WCASY council member claims to re/present the Will

of

> > Shri Mataji. For the rest of their lives SYs will have their

> > intelligence insulted and bear further indignations committed by

> the

> > hijackers of Shri Mataji's Will. (i feel insulted just writing

> this.)

> >

> > i was curious - Do the remaining separate and far-flung Will-

> bearers

> > know of this council member's despicable behavior? i mean how

does

> > this WCASY-Will actually work - by telepathy, telephone or email?

> > Are all Will-bearers agreeable to the US council member's

arrogant

> > and heartless comment on a tragic loss? Whether the answers

> > are " yes " or " no " it will only lead to further confusion and

self-

> > delusion, a catch-22 dilemma unlike anything SYs have known

before.

> >

> > But how will SYs explain to newcomers that WCASY members share

the

> > Adi Shakti's Will amongst themselves, and all will have to defer

to

> > this cloned Will? Only idiots will believe and join them!

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> >

> > , Suzy Creamcheese

> > <suzyogi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Jeff and all,

> > >

> > > WCASY needs to learn when to keep their mouths shut - to put

it

> > bluntly. Descrimination is so lacking with the US leadership.

> > Unbelievable. Why anyone would make any comment as to why this

> > person died is beyond me. To assume that one knows the reasons

for

> > the divine plan smacks of EGO. So, forgive them for their egos;

> > they don't realize they have them still.

> > >

> > > Also, we all need to learn to detatch from all earthly things

> > (people included) as they are props to our play.

> > >

> > > Suzy

> > >

> > > jagbir singh <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > There has been some shocking news going through our East Coast

> > > Emails, that their son died this week in an accident.

> > >

> > > A US council member said it was because they turned against SY.

> > >

> > > Even I, a dedicated SY find this statement despicable. All Sys

> who

> > > read this should speak out against such a cruel hearted

statement

> > > from the " US leadership " .

> > >

> > > - Jeff

> > >

> > > -------------

> > >

> > > Well Jeff, the US leadership, saturated as they are with Sahaj

> > Love,

> > > are just ridding itself of excess. i do not understand why you

> are

> > > criticizing the ones chosen by the official chosen ones. These

> > > highly evolved self-realized souls are only saying the obvious

to

> > > the grieving parents Mark and Dominique Sutherland: " You

deserve

> > the

> > > wrath of God for leaving Sahaja Yoga. This will be a fitting

> > lesson

> > > and example to all who defy us. "

> > >

> > > So please do not piss them off unnecessarily. You have no idea

> > what

> > > they will utter and claim without the restraining goodness of

> > Sahaj

> > > Love. It is better you withdraw your statement, confess and beg

> > for

> > > forgiveness from both the US leadership and big brother WCASY.

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Groups are talking. We're listening. Check out the handy

changes

> > to .

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir,

 

Thank you for these words which mean a lot to me: -

 

" The greatest weapons to slay Her enemies are truth, knowledge and courage. It

does not matter if your own are killed. Shri Krishna set a fine example for

Arjuna to follow. i intend to follow Him too no matter what the consequences as

my conscience is clear. To falter or even doubt the decision to battle those

against the Truth is a sign of the immense negativity working against the few.

It is so easy to become a SY like the tens of thousands and preach the Sahaja

Yoga Subtle System Religion. It is very difficult to have the courage,

conscience and knowledge to speak about the Divine Message to be delivered by

the Comforter Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. "

 

violet

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

 

>

> Dear All,

>

> i was given a quote from Shri Mataji to comment:

>

> " Best way to practice witness state is not to criticize anyone...

> Actually there's nothing to be criticized....You have no right to

> criticize anyone or anything. But some people think if you do not

> criticize, then it will go on like this and it will never stop. It's

> not that...... with that enlightened attention you can just watch

> and stop the nonsence that is there. But we are always conscious

> that we are something great and we have to do this and we have to do

> that. Under these circumstances, what happens is that you become

> another problem. Because what can you do? You can't do anything. But

> what you can do is to watch. "

>

> Perhaps many SYs will rather keep quiet and support the Sahaja Yoga

> organization wholeheartedly. Whatever is said on this forum can be

> construed as criticism.

>

> But then Shri Mataji also said that:

>

> " The only time when you should really be angry...when you cannot

> tolerate anything against your Mother... or Sahaja Yoga... and one

> can get into a tremendous temper - so, to say that a Realised Soul

> should not get into a temper is a wrong thing... then, the anger is

> spontaneous. " (21 September, 1988)

>

> If SYs had the courage and honesty to speak their minds years ago

> things would not have reached the crisis levels of today - worldwide

> stagnation of the organization, lack of conscience, abusive/arrogant

> leaders, factions, power struggles, havan wars, lie-for-the-truth

> crusades, matka marathons, hype, empty halls, financially-strapped

> ashrams, seekrs fleeing for sake of sanity, .......

>

> Now Shri Mataji has resorted to silence and the turf wars are going

> from bad to worse. Shri Mataji's closest confidents are roasted in

> havans. Those willing to stand for the Truth are demonized. Her Will

> has been hijacked without any protest whatsoever from tens of

> thousands, as if it is business as usual. Her Divine Message for

> humanity has been edited out of WCASY and the Sahaja Yoga

> organization.

>

> The greatest weapons to slay Her enemies are truth, knowledge and

> courage. It does not matter if your own are killed. Shri Krishna set

> a fine example for Arjuna to follow. i intend to follow Him too no

> matter what the consequences as my conscience is clear. To falter or

> even doubt the decision to battle those against the Truth is a sign

> of the immense negativity working against the few. It is so easy to

> become a SY like the tens of thousands and preach the Sahaja Yoga

> Subtle System Religion. It is very difficult to have the courage,

> conscience and knowledge to speak about the Divine Message to be

> delivered by the Comforter Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. In the end only

> one will be left standing. So why doubt the obvious outcome?

>

> jagbir

>

>

>

> , " Nirvakalpa "

> <nirvakalpa@> wrote:

> >

> > JSM,

> >

> > i was just reading through the posts,and iam really suprised by

> what i read here. is it REALLY true that someone was giving

> > their " expert " opinion on why 2 kids died in an accident? and that

> > opinion was that because they quit sy?

> >

> > what i would like to ask that person, who ever they are, is that

> >

> > 1- if people (especially newcommers) come to know that they may

> die in accidents if they quit sy, would they be willing to join it

> in first place?

> >

> > 2- do all sy's live in absolute bliss, with no problems?

> >

> > 3- what " expert " opinion he has for the many sy's i know suffering

> > from illnesses, accidents, or personal problems?

> >

> > Its truly heartbreaking for parents to loose their childern, and

> as

> > aptly said below,

> >

> > " " Why anyone would make any comment as to why this

> > > person died is beyond me. To assume that one knows the reasons

> for

> > > the divine plan smacks of EGO. " "

> >

> > Violet was right when she said we need to wash out our dirty

> > laundry. the water always gets dirty while washing the cloth, but

> > the cloth gets cleaner. In that, a much greater purpose is

served.

> >

> > In most other forums, (infact i know of no other like this one),

> > they try to maintain a " clean " forum where dirt is hidden under

> the

> > rug. in this process, the " cloth " (matters) never gets clean,

> only

> > stays dirty. matters are not cleared and things stay corrupt.

> >

> > TRUE peace can only come about when matter's are cleared, not

> hidden

> > or suppressed inside, TRUE love can only happen when there is no

> > more misunderstanding, and TRUTH is only when there are no more

> lies.

> >

> > I would like to thank Violet, Preetibala, and Uncle Jagbir for

> their

> > kind words on my earlier post. Kindness coupled with truth is the

> > best way for everyone including newcommers.

> >

> > Egocentric declarations like someone dies in an accident when they

> > quit sy, serve no purpose, and if i was a newcommer, i would

> > probably stay away from sy forever thinking, what if i changed my

> > mind and decided to quit...and invite misfortune?

> >

> > In Violets earlier post, she posted the following lines:

> > Words of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi...

> >

> > " The only time when you should really be angry...when you cannot

> > tolerate

> > anything against your Mother... or Sahaja Yoga... and one can get

> > into a

> > tremendous temper - so, to say that a Realised Soul should not get

> > into a temper

> > is a wrong thing... then, the anger is spontaneous. " (21

> September,

> > 1988)

> >

> > I guess the above lines could be prophetic (iam really sincerely

> > sorry if iam wrong here - i could be?..), because SM knew that

> > thing's like this would happen? and the Holy Mother had already

> laid

> > out what we can/should do in those situations.

> >

> > I so wish that before SM leaves the earth in her physical form,

> she

> > would see us all growing together, instead she see's power

> > struggles, fights, lies, deception.

> > But the foundation that she has laid of sy is far more stronger

> than

> > any " negativity " that may try to work against it. Infact the more

> > stronger the opposing forces may appear or become, the more

> strength

> > will be revealed from its core foundation of truth and love.

> >

> >

> > Jai Shri Mataji!

> > Love,

> > Sohniya

> >

> >

> >

> > , " jagbir singh "

> > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > >

> > > And yet this WCASY council member claims to re/present the Will

> of

> > > Shri Mataji. For the rest of their lives SYs will have their

> > > intelligence insulted and bear further indignations committed by

> > the

> > > hijackers of Shri Mataji's Will. (i feel insulted just writing

> > this.)

> > >

> > > i was curious - Do the remaining separate and far-flung Will-

> > bearers

> > > know of this council member's despicable behavior? i mean how

> does

> > > this WCASY-Will actually work - by telepathy, telephone or

email?

> > > Are all Will-bearers agreeable to the US council member's

> arrogant

> > > and heartless comment on a tragic loss? Whether the answers

> > > are " yes " or " no " it will only lead to further confusion and

> self-

> > > delusion, a catch-22 dilemma unlike anything SYs have known

> before.

> > >

> > > But how will SYs explain to newcomers that WCASY members share

> the

> > > Adi Shakti's Will amongst themselves, and all will have to defer

> to

> > > this cloned Will? Only idiots will believe and join them!

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> > >

> > > , Suzy Creamcheese

> > > <suzyogi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Jeff and all,

> > > >

> > > > WCASY needs to learn when to keep their mouths shut - to put

> it

> > > bluntly. Descrimination is so lacking with the US leadership.

> > > Unbelievable. Why anyone would make any comment as to why this

> > > person died is beyond me. To assume that one knows the reasons

> for

> > > the divine plan smacks of EGO. So, forgive them for their egos;

> > > they don't realize they have them still.

> > > >

> > > > Also, we all need to learn to detatch from all earthly

things

> > > (people included) as they are props to our play.

> > > >

> > > > Suzy

> > > >

> > > > jagbir singh <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > There has been some shocking news going through our East Coast

> > > > Emails, that their son died this week in an accident.

> > > >

> > > > A US council member said it was because they turned against

SY.

> > > >

> > > > Even I, a dedicated SY find this statement despicable. All Sys

> > who

> > > > read this should speak out against such a cruel hearted

> statement

> > > > from the " US leadership " .

> > > >

> > > > - Jeff

> > > >

> > > > -------------

> > > >

> > > > Well Jeff, the US leadership, saturated as they are with Sahaj

> > > Love,

> > > > are just ridding itself of excess. i do not understand why you

> > are

> > > > criticizing the ones chosen by the official chosen ones. These

> > > > highly evolved self-realized souls are only saying the obvious

> to

> > > > the grieving parents Mark and Dominique Sutherland: " You

> deserve

> > > the

> > > > wrath of God for leaving Sahaja Yoga. This will be a fitting

> > > lesson

> > > > and example to all who defy us. "

> > > >

> > > > So please do not piss them off unnecessarily. You have no idea

> > > what

> > > > they will utter and claim without the restraining goodness of

> > > Sahaj

> > > > Love. It is better you withdraw your statement, confess and

beg

> > > for

> > > > forgiveness from both the US leadership and big brother WCASY.

> > > >

> > > > jagbir

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Groups are talking. We're listening. Check out the handy

> changes

> > > to .

> > > >

> > >

> >

>