Wanted to ask a doubt ...

August 5, 2006

Jai Shri Mataji Everyone,Reading your mails I really get inspired within, to declare to the

everyone that Shri Mataji is indeed the Incarnation of Adishkti.I wanted to ask this thing to everyone, especially Jagbir bhaiya and Violet didiMy main doubt is this that I hesitate and go into a closet when it comes to declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just before declaring this to anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose self-confidence and think that if I tell this person that Shri Mataji is an incarnation, the person will think that I am just another fanatic follower of Modern day Guru, like evrey follower thinks that his guru is an incarnation, he(that is me) is also thinking of Shri Mataji as incarnation.

Then I start questioning myself that - " How much faith I have on Shri

Mataji ? How much in depth I have realised that She is THE ADISHAKTI?? Then, if I have not realised completely in MY heart then how is the other person going to believe me...? "

Apart from that as far as spreading " Sahaj Yoga " is concerned, I dont face much f a problem. I tell people and when I ask them to do realisation steps they feel very nice, I guess as my state improves, the better channel I become, people who get realisation through me, feel the realisation more comprehensively... This I have noticed.

Please help me in this regard...Thanking in Anticipation :)Lots of Nirmal LoveSaarthak.

August 5, 2006

, " Saarthak Vats "

<saarthakvats wrote:

" My main doubt is this that I hesitate and go into a closet when it comes to

declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just before declaring this to

anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose self-confidence and think that if

I tell this person that Shri Mataji is an incarnation, the person will think

that I am just another fanatic follower of Modern day Guru, like evrey follower

thinks that his guru is an incarnation, he(that is me) is also thinking of Shri

Mataji as incarnation. "

Dear Saarthak,

i don't go out into the street and shout out loud that " - " Guess what? Shri

Mataji is an Incarnation! " . If i did that, people would surely think i was a

" fanatical follower of a Guru " as you put it.

i have no problem, however in telling the Truth that Shri Mataji has brought. i

do this with presence of heart, keeping in mind the spiritual tradition that the

person comes from... and i weave the Teachings of Shri Mataji in with the

Teachings of Jesus (mainly) and i also use the Teachings of other Incarnations

and prophets, too. People are generally pretty intelligent and realise that if i

talk about Shri Mataji as Part and Parcel of Shri Jesus, Shri Buddha, and

others... that Her Teachings must be " pretty special " too.

They are special, but they also agree with all the Incarnations and prophets in

their essence. Often, people will themselves say that She must be pretty

special; so if i have not made it clear already, then i just tell them outright

that She is the " Christian Comforter " (but i back that up with Scriptures). That

is very important, to do that.

So... for example, if a person comes from a Muslim background, you can talk to

them about the " Ruh of Allah " ... and of course, there is the Islamic-oriented

website, to which you can refer them to: -

http://www.al-qiyamah.org/

You are not alone. We are all working together as a worldwide collective of

" Born of the Spirit Persons " . It will help to remember that we are one large

family. Just do what you want to do; it is a joy to do what you " want " to do,

spiritually. That is what it has to be. It " has to be " something you " want to

do " , and it is up to you how you do that. You are your own best teacher. You

know yourself best. What the Divine gives you... just share that with others. It

is quite simple.

Also... if the person comes from 'more the Christian tradition', then you can

refer them to: -

(http://adishakti.org/index.htm)

If you cannot say that She is an Incarnation, you " can " refer them to the

appropriate websites, where it explains it very clearly and very well. Sometimes

confidence and self-assurance takes time to build up, but it starts in little

ways, like just expressing yourself in your own spiritual way, okay?

You said: -

" Then I start questioning myself that - " How much faith I have on Shri Mataji?

How much in depth I have realised that She is THE ADISHAKTI?? Then, if I have

not realised completely in MY heart then how is the other person going to

believe me...? "

(Please stop torturing yourself, Saarthak. The more you question yourself like

that, the more you are tearing yourself down. You know that you have faith in

the spiritual teachings of Shri Mataji if you have " tested and tried them " like

a scientist. Then you have proven the spiritual teachings. If they stand up to

the scientific testing, then you know they are the Truth. Then just stand on

that Truth. Those doubts come from a source that is not of your Spirit. The

Spirit within (which communicates through your conscience)... will never talk

negatively to you like that. So... determine only to listen to the voice of the

" Spirit Within " you, and you cannot go wrong. i assure you of that. As far as

" realising completely " the Adi Shakti... it is a growing spiritual experience. i

don't know if the complete realisation of the Adi Shakti is every reached,

because the Adi Shakti is the Primordial Power of God, and His Power is greater

than any of us can ever realise. There will always be more and more to realise.

There is no end to our spiritual journey. However... there is a " start " to it,

though....And that " start " is to start walking on that Path of your Spirit

Within, and never look back.

warmest regards,

violet

> Jai Shri Mataji Everyone,

>

> Reading your mails I really get inspired within, to declare to the

everyone that Shri Mataji is indeed the Incarnation of Adishkti.

>

> I wanted to ask this thing to everyone, especially Jagbir bhaiya and

Violet didi

>

> My main doubt is this that I hesitate and go into a closet when it

comes to declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just before declaring

this to anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose self-confidence and think

that if I tell this person that Shri Mataji is an incarnation, the person will

think that I am just another fanatic follower of Modern day Guru, like evrey

follower thinks that his guru is an incarnation, he(that is me) is also thinking

of Shri Mataji as incarnation.

> Then I start questioning myself that - " How much faith I have on

Shri Mataji ? How much in depth I have realised that She is THE ADISHAKTI??

Then, if I have not realised completely in MY heart then how is the other person

going to believe me...? "

>

> Apart from that as far as spreading " Sahaj Yoga " is concerned, I

dont face much f a problem. I tell people and when I ask them to do

realisation steps they feel very nice, I guess as my state improves, the better

channel I become, people who get realisation through me, feel the realisation

more comprehensively... This I have noticed.

>

> Please help me in this regard...

>

> Thanking in Anticipation

>

> Lots of Nirmal Love

> Saarthak.

August 6, 2006

Dear Jeff,

i have received an email from you and i have replied to you, but it has been

returned as shown below.

So... i am posting your reply on this forum.

regards,

violet

(P.S.... if anyone give this Website URL to Jeff, perhaps this problem might be

overcome...thanks, violet)

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Dear Jeff,

Thanks for the compliment. i am in Australia, but i was born in Canada. i came

to Sahaj in 1993 in Sydney, Australia. What about yourself? What country are you

in? i would be interested to know when you came to Sahaj too.

regards,

violet

-

" jleow21 " <jleow21

" Violet " <violet.tubb

Saturday, August 05, 2006 11:56 PM

Re: Wanted to ask a doubt ...

> Hello Violet,

>

> I liked your response to Saarthak.

>

> Are you in the USA? When did you come to Sahaj? - where?

>

> - best,

> Jeff

In , " Violet " <violet.tubb

wrote:

>

> , " Saarthak Vats "

> <saarthakvats@> wrote:

>

> " My main doubt is this that I hesitate and go into a closet when it

comes to declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just before

declaring this to anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose self-

confidence and think that if I tell this person that Shri Mataji is an

incarnation, the person will think that I am just another fanatic

follower of Modern day Guru, like evrey follower thinks that his guru

is an incarnation, he(that is me) is also thinking of Shri Mataji as

incarnation. "

>

> Dear Saarthak,

>

> i don't go out into the street and shout out loud that " - " Guess

what? Shri Mataji is an Incarnation! " . If i did that, people would

surely think i was a " fanatical follower of a Guru " as you put it.

>

> i have no problem, however in telling the Truth that Shri Mataji has

brought. i do this with presence of heart, keeping in mind the

spiritual tradition that the person comes from... and i weave the

Teachings of Shri Mataji in with the Teachings of Jesus (mainly) and i

also use the Teachings of other Incarnations and prophets, too. People

are generally pretty intelligent and realise that if i talk about Shri

Mataji as Part and Parcel of Shri Jesus, Shri Buddha, and others...

that Her Teachings must be " pretty special " too.

>

> They are special, but they also agree with all the Incarnations and

prophets in their essence. Often, people will themselves say that She

must be pretty special; so if i have not made it clear already, then i

just tell them outright that She is the " Christian Comforter " (but i

back that up with Scriptures). That is very important, to do that.

>

> So... for example, if a person comes from a Muslim background, you

can talk to them about the " Ruh of Allah " ... and of course, there is

the Islamic-oriented website, to which you can refer them to: -

>

> http://www.al-qiyamah.org/

>

> You are not alone. We are all working together as a worldwide

collective of " Born of the Spirit Persons " . It will help to remember

that we are one large family. Just do what you want to do; it is a joy

to do what you " want " to do, spiritually. That is what it has to be.

It " has to be " something you " want to do " , and it is up to you how you

do that. You are your own best teacher. You know yourself best. What

the Divine gives you... just share that with others. It is quite

simple.

>

> Also... if the person comes from 'more the Christian tradition',

then you can refer them to: -

>

> (http://adishakti.org/index.htm)

>

> If you cannot say that She is an Incarnation, you " can " refer them

to the appropriate websites, where it explains it very clearly and

very well. Sometimes confidence and self-assurance takes time to build

up, but it starts in little ways, like just expressing yourself in

your own spiritual way, okay?

>

> You said: -

>

> " Then I start questioning myself that - " How much faith I have on

Shri Mataji? How much in depth I have realised that She is THE

ADISHAKTI?? Then, if I have not realised completely in MY heart then

how is the other person going to believe me...? "

>

> (Please stop torturing yourself, Saarthak. The more you question

yourself like that, the more you are tearing yourself down. You know

that you have faith in the spiritual teachings of Shri Mataji if you

have " tested and tried them " like a scientist. Then you have proven

the spiritual teachings. If they stand up to the scientific testing,

then you know they are the Truth. Then just stand on that Truth. Those

doubts come from a source that is not of your Spirit. The Spirit

within (which communicates through your conscience)... will never talk

negatively to you like that. So... determine only to listen to the

voice of the " Spirit Within " you, and you cannot go wrong. i assure

you of that. As far as " realising completely " the Adi Shakti... it is

a growing spiritual experience. i don't know if the complete

realisation of the Adi Shakti is every reached, because the Adi Shakti

is the Primordial Power of God, and His Power is greater than any of

us can ever realise. There will always be more and more to realise.

There is no end to our spiritual journey. However... there is a

" start " to it, though....And that " start " is to start walking on that

Path of your Spirit Within, and never look back.

>

> warmest regards,

>

> violet

>

> > Jai Shri Mataji Everyone,

> >

> > Reading your mails I really get inspired within, to declare to the

> everyone that Shri Mataji is indeed the Incarnation of Adishkti.

> >

> > I wanted to ask this thing to everyone, especially Jagbir bhaiya

and

> Violet didi

> >

> > My main doubt is this that I hesitate and go into a closet when it

> comes to declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just before

declaring this to anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose self-

confidence and think that if I tell this person that Shri Mataji is an

incarnation, the person will think that I am just another fanatic

follower of Modern day Guru, like evrey follower thinks that his guru

is an incarnation, he(that is me) is also thinking of Shri Mataji as

incarnation.

> > Then I start questioning myself that - " How much faith I have on

> Shri Mataji ? How much in depth I have realised that She is THE

ADISHAKTI?? Then, if I have not realised completely in MY heart then

how is the other person going to believe me...? "

> >

> > Apart from that as far as spreading " Sahaj Yoga " is concerned, I

> dont face much f a problem. I tell people and when I ask them to do

> realisation steps they feel very nice, I guess as my state improves,

the better channel I become, people who get realisation through me,

feel the realisation more comprehensively... This I have noticed.

> >

> > Please help me in this regard...

> >

> > Thanking in Anticipation

> >

> > Lots of Nirmal Love

> > Saarthak.

>

August 6, 2006

Dear Saarthak,

i will reply to you soon as i am having some vacationing guests as

the momemnt. You excellent question requires some quiet moments.

Jai Shri Mataji,

jagbir

, " Saarthak Vats "

<saarthakvats wrote:

>

> Jai Shri Mataji Everyone,

>

> Reading your mails I really get inspired within, to declare to the

everyone

> that Shri Mataji is indeed the Incarnation of Adishkti.

>

> I wanted to ask this thing to everyone, especially Jagbir bhaiya

and Violet

> didi

>

> My main doubt is this that I hesitate and go into a closet when it

comes to

> declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just before

declaring this to

> anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose self-confidence and

think

> that if I tell this person that Shri Mataji is an incarnation, the

person

> will think that I am just another fanatic follower of Modern day

Guru, like

> evrey follower thinks that his guru is an incarnation, he(that is

me) is

> also thinking of Shri Mataji as incarnation.

> Then I start questioning myself that - " How much faith I have on

Shri Mataji

> ? How much in depth I have realised that She is THE ADISHAKTI??

Then, if I

> have not realised completely in MY heart then how is the other

person going

> to believe me...? "

>

> Apart from that as far as spreading " Sahaj Yoga " is concerned, I

dont face

> much f a problem. I tell people and when I ask them to do

realisation steps

> they feel very nice, I guess as my state improves, the better

channel I

> become, people who get realisation through me, feel the

realisation more

> comprehensively... This I have noticed.

>

> Please help me in this regard...

>

> Thanking in Anticipation

>

> Lots of Nirmal Love

> Saarthak.

>

August 8, 2006

Hi Violet, This is a great site (http://www.al-qiyamah.org/). Do you know who wrote it? thanks, SuzyViolet <violet.tubb wrote: , "Saarthak Vats" <saarthakvats wrote:"My main doubt is this that I hesitate and go

into a closet when it comes to declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just before declaring this to anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose self-confidence and think that if I tell this person that Shri Mataji is an incarnation, the person will think that I am just another fanatic follower of Modern day Guru, like evrey follower thinks that his guru is an incarnation, he(that is me) is also thinking of Shri Mataji as incarnation."Dear Saarthak,i don't go out into the street and shout out loud that " - "Guess what? Shri Mataji is an Incarnation!". If i did that, people would surely think i was a "fanatical follower of a Guru" as you put it.i have no problem, however in telling the Truth that Shri Mataji has brought. i do this with presence of heart, keeping in mind the spiritual tradition that the person comes from... and i weave the Teachings of Shri Mataji in with the Teachings of Jesus (mainly) and i also use the Teachings

of other Incarnations and prophets, too. People are generally pretty intelligent and realise that if i talk about Shri Mataji as Part and Parcel of Shri Jesus, Shri Buddha, and others... that Her Teachings must be "pretty special" too.They are special, but they also agree with all the Incarnations and prophets in their essence. Often, people will themselves say that She must be pretty special; so if i have not made it clear already, then i just tell them outright that She is the "Christian Comforter" (but i back that up with Scriptures). That is very important, to do that.So... for example, if a person comes from a Muslim background, you can talk to them about the "Ruh of Allah"... and of course, there is the Islamic-oriented website, to which you can refer them to: -http://www.al-qiyamah.org/You are not alone. We are all working together as a worldwide collective of "Born of the Spirit Persons".

It will help to remember that we are one large family. Just do what you want to do; it is a joy to do what you "want" to do, spiritually. That is what it has to be. It "has to be" something you "want to do", and it is up to you how you do that. You are your own best teacher. You know yourself best. What the Divine gives you... just share that with others. It is quite simple. Also... if the person comes from 'more the Christian tradition', then you can refer them to: -(http://adishakti.org/index.htm)If you cannot say that She is an Incarnation, you "can" refer them to the appropriate websites, where it explains it very clearly and very well. Sometimes confidence and self-assurance takes time to build up, but it starts in little ways, like just expressing yourself in your own spiritual way, okay?You said: -"Then I start questioning myself that - "How much faith I have on Shri

Mataji? How much in depth I have realised that She is THE ADISHAKTI?? Then, if I have not realised completely in MY heart then how is the other person going to believe me...?"(Please stop torturing yourself, Saarthak. The more you question yourself like that, the more you are tearing yourself down. You know that you have faith in the spiritual teachings of Shri Mataji if you have "tested and tried them" like a scientist. Then you have proven the spiritual teachings. If they stand up to the scientific testing, then you know they are the Truth. Then just stand on that Truth. Those doubts come from a source that is not of your Spirit. The Spirit within (which communicates through your conscience)... will never talk negatively to you like that. So... determine only to listen to the voice of the "Spirit Within" you, and you cannot go wrong. i assure you of that. As far as "realising completely" the Adi Shakti... it is a growing spiritual experience. i don't know if

the complete realisation of the Adi Shakti is every reached, because the Adi Shakti is the Primordial Power of God, and His Power is greater than any of us can ever realise. There will always be more and more to realise. There is no end to our spiritual journey. However... there is a "start" to it, though....And that "start" is to start walking on that Path of your Spirit Within, and never look back.warmest regards,violet> Jai Shri Mataji Everyone,> > Reading your mails I really get inspired within, to declare to the everyone that Shri Mataji is indeed the Incarnation of Adishkti.> > I wanted to ask this thing to everyone, especially Jagbir bhaiya and Violet didi> > My main doubt is this that I hesitate and go into a closet when it comes to declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just before declaring this to anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose self-confidence and think that

if I tell this person that Shri Mataji is an incarnation, the person will think that I am just another fanatic follower of Modern day Guru, like evrey follower thinks that his guru is an incarnation, he(that is me) is also thinking of Shri Mataji as incarnation.> Then I start questioning myself that - "How much faith I have on Shri Mataji ? How much in depth I have realised that She is THE ADISHAKTI?? Then, if I have not realised completely in MY heart then how is the other person going to believe me...?"> > Apart from that as far as spreading "Sahaj Yoga" is concerned, I dont face much f a problem. I tell people and when I ask them to do realisation steps they feel very nice, I guess as my state improves, the better channel I become, people who get realisation through me, feel the realisation more comprehensively... This I have noticed.> > Please help me in this regard...> > Thanking in Anticipation

> > Lots of Nirmal Love> Saarthak.

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August 8, 2006

Dear Suzy,

Jagbir wrote it. It is a great site, and a real credit to Jagbir.

warmest regards,

violet

, Suzy Creamcheese

<suzyogi wrote:

>

> Hi Violet,

>

> This is a great site (http://www.al-qiyamah.org/). Do you know

who wrote it?

>

> thanks,

> Suzy

>

> Violet <violet.tubb wrote:

> , " Saarthak

Vats "

> <saarthakvats@> wrote:

>

> " My main doubt is this that I hesitate and go into a closet when it

comes to declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just before

declaring this to anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose self-

confidence and think that if I tell this person that Shri Mataji is

an incarnation, the person will think that I am just another fanatic

follower of Modern day Guru, like evrey follower thinks that his guru

is an incarnation, he(that is me) is also thinking of Shri Mataji as

incarnation. "

>

> Dear Saarthak,

>

> i don't go out into the street and shout out loud that " - " Guess

what? Shri Mataji is an Incarnation! " . If i did that, people would

surely think i was a " fanatical follower of a Guru " as you put it.

>

> i have no problem, however in telling the Truth that Shri Mataji

has brought. i do this with presence of heart, keeping in mind the

spiritual tradition that the person comes from... and i weave the

Teachings of Shri Mataji in with the Teachings of Jesus (mainly) and

i also use the Teachings of other Incarnations and prophets, too.

People are generally pretty intelligent and realise that if i talk

about Shri Mataji as Part and Parcel of Shri Jesus, Shri Buddha, and

others... that Her Teachings must be " pretty special " too.

>

> They are special, but they also agree with all the Incarnations and

prophets in their essence. Often, people will themselves say that She

must be pretty special; so if i have not made it clear already, then

i just tell them outright that She is the " Christian Comforter " (but

i back that up with Scriptures). That is very important, to do that.

>

> So... for example, if a person comes from a Muslim background, you

can talk to them about the " Ruh of Allah " ... and of course, there is

the Islamic-oriented website, to which you can refer them to: -

>

> http://www.al-qiyamah.org/

>

> You are not alone. We are all working together as a worldwide

collective of " Born of the Spirit Persons " . It will help to remember

that we are one large family. Just do what you want to do; it is a

joy to do what you " want " to do, spiritually. That is what it has to

be. It " has to be " something you " want to do " , and it is up to you

how you do that. You are your own best teacher. You know yourself

best. What the Divine gives you... just share that with others. It is

quite simple.

>

> Also... if the person comes from 'more the Christian tradition',

then you can refer them to: -

>

> (http://adishakti.org/index.htm)

>

> If you cannot say that She is an Incarnation, you " can " refer them

to the appropriate websites, where it explains it very clearly and

very well. Sometimes confidence and self-assurance takes time to

build up, but it starts in little ways, like just expressing yourself

in your own spiritual way, okay?

>

> You said: -

>

> " Then I start questioning myself that - " How much faith I have on

Shri Mataji? How much in depth I have realised that She is THE

ADISHAKTI?? Then, if I have not realised completely in MY heart then

how is the other person going to believe me...? "

>

> (Please stop torturing yourself, Saarthak. The more you question

yourself like that, the more you are tearing yourself down. You know

that you have faith in the spiritual teachings of Shri Mataji if you

have " tested and tried them " like a scientist. Then you have proven

the spiritual teachings. If they stand up to the scientific testing,

then you know they are the Truth. Then just stand on that Truth.

Those doubts come from a source that is not of your Spirit. The

Spirit within (which communicates through your conscience)... will

never talk negatively to you like that. So... determine only to

listen to the voice of the " Spirit Within " you, and you cannot go

wrong. i assure you of that. As far as " realising completely " the Adi

Shakti... it is a growing spiritual experience. i don't know if the

complete realisation of the Adi Shakti is every reached, because the

Adi Shakti is the Primordial Power of God, and His Power is greater

than any of us can ever realise. There will

> always be more and more to realise. There is no end to our

spiritual journey. However... there is a " start " to it, though....And

that " start " is to start walking on that Path of your Spirit Within,

and never look back.

>

> warmest regards,

>

> violet

>

> > Jai Shri Mataji Everyone,

> >

> > Reading your mails I really get inspired within, to declare to

the

> everyone that Shri Mataji is indeed the Incarnation of Adishkti.

> >

> > I wanted to ask this thing to everyone, especially Jagbir bhaiya

and

> Violet didi

> >

> > My main doubt is this that I hesitate and go into a closet when

it

> comes to declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just before

declaring this to anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose self-

confidence and think that if I tell this person that Shri Mataji is

an incarnation, the person will think that I am just another fanatic

follower of Modern day Guru, like evrey follower thinks that his guru

is an incarnation, he(that is me) is also thinking of Shri Mataji as

incarnation.

> > Then I start questioning myself that - " How much faith I have on

> Shri Mataji ? How much in depth I have realised that She is THE

ADISHAKTI?? Then, if I have not realised completely in MY heart then

how is the other person going to believe me...? "

> >

> > Apart from that as far as spreading " Sahaj Yoga " is concerned, I

> dont face much f a problem. I tell people and when I ask them to do

> realisation steps they feel very nice, I guess as my state

improves, the better channel I become, people who get realisation

through me, feel the realisation more comprehensively... This I have

noticed.

> >

> > Please help me in this regard...

> >

> > Thanking in Anticipation

> >

> > Lots of Nirmal Love

> > Saarthak.

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August 8, 2006

Dear Jagbir,

Could you perhaps tell us how long it took and how these two sites of

(http://adishakti.org/index.htm) and (http://www.al-qiyamah.org/) evolved to

their present format? i am sure we would like to know how you did it, as it is a

great feat all-around.

warmest regards,

violet

,

" Violet " <violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear Suzy,

>

> Jagbir wrote it. It is a great site, and a real credit to Jagbir.

>

> warmest regards,

>

> violet

>

> , Suzy Creamcheese

> <suzyogi@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Violet,

> >

> > This is a great site (http://www.al-qiyamah.org/). Do you know

> who wrote it?

> >

> > thanks,

> > Suzy

> >

> > Violet <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > , " Saarthak

> Vats "

> > <saarthakvats@> wrote:

> >

> > " My main doubt is this that I hesitate and go into a closet when

it

> comes to declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just before

> declaring this to anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose

self-

> confidence and think that if I tell this person that Shri Mataji is

> an incarnation, the person will think that I am just another

fanatic

> follower of Modern day Guru, like evrey follower thinks that his

guru

> is an incarnation, he(that is me) is also thinking of Shri Mataji

as

> incarnation. "

> >

> > Dear Saarthak,

> >

> > i don't go out into the street and shout out loud that " - " Guess

> what? Shri Mataji is an Incarnation! " . If i did that, people would

> surely think i was a " fanatical follower of a Guru " as you put it.

> >

> > i have no problem, however in telling the Truth that Shri Mataji

> has brought. i do this with presence of heart, keeping in mind the

> spiritual tradition that the person comes from... and i weave the

> Teachings of Shri Mataji in with the Teachings of Jesus (mainly)

and

> i also use the Teachings of other Incarnations and prophets, too.

> People are generally pretty intelligent and realise that if i talk

> about Shri Mataji as Part and Parcel of Shri Jesus, Shri Buddha,

and

> others... that Her Teachings must be " pretty special " too.

> >

> > They are special, but they also agree with all the Incarnations

and

> prophets in their essence. Often, people will themselves say that

She

> must be pretty special; so if i have not made it clear already,

then

> i just tell them outright that She is the " Christian

Comforter " (but

> i back that up with Scriptures). That is very important, to do that.

> >

> > So... for example, if a person comes from a Muslim background,

you

> can talk to them about the " Ruh of Allah " ... and of course, there

is

> the Islamic-oriented website, to which you can refer them to: -

> >

> > http://www.al-qiyamah.org/

> >

> > You are not alone. We are all working together as a worldwide

> collective of " Born of the Spirit Persons " . It will help to

remember

> that we are one large family. Just do what you want to do; it is a

> joy to do what you " want " to do, spiritually. That is what it has

to

> be. It " has to be " something you " want to do " , and it is up to you

> how you do that. You are your own best teacher. You know yourself

> best. What the Divine gives you... just share that with others. It

is

> quite simple.

> >

> > Also... if the person comes from 'more the Christian tradition',

> then you can refer them to: -

> >

> > (http://adishakti.org/index.htm)

> >

> > If you cannot say that She is an Incarnation, you " can " refer

them

> to the appropriate websites, where it explains it very clearly and

> very well. Sometimes confidence and self-assurance takes time to

> build up, but it starts in little ways, like just expressing

yourself

> in your own spiritual way, okay?

> >

> > You said: -

> >

> > " Then I start questioning myself that - " How much faith I have on

> Shri Mataji? How much in depth I have realised that She is THE

> ADISHAKTI?? Then, if I have not realised completely in MY heart

then

> how is the other person going to believe me...? "

> >

> > (Please stop torturing yourself, Saarthak. The more you question

> yourself like that, the more you are tearing yourself down. You

know

> that you have faith in the spiritual teachings of Shri Mataji if

you

> have " tested and tried them " like a scientist. Then you have proven

> the spiritual teachings. If they stand up to the scientific

testing,

> then you know they are the Truth. Then just stand on that Truth.

> Those doubts come from a source that is not of your Spirit. The

> Spirit within (which communicates through your conscience)... will

> never talk negatively to you like that. So... determine only to

> listen to the voice of the " Spirit Within " you, and you cannot go

> wrong. i assure you of that. As far as " realising completely " the

Adi

> Shakti... it is a growing spiritual experience. i don't know if the

> complete realisation of the Adi Shakti is every reached, because

the

> Adi Shakti is the Primordial Power of God, and His Power is greater

> than any of us can ever realise. There will

> > always be more and more to realise. There is no end to our

> spiritual journey. However... there is a " start " to it,

though....And

> that " start " is to start walking on that Path of your Spirit

Within,

> and never look back.

> >

> > warmest regards,

> >

> > violet

> >

> > > Jai Shri Mataji Everyone,

> > >

> > > Reading your mails I really get inspired within, to declare to

> the

> > everyone that Shri Mataji is indeed the Incarnation of Adishkti.

> > >

> > > I wanted to ask this thing to everyone, especially Jagbir

bhaiya

> and

> > Violet didi

> > >

> > > My main doubt is this that I hesitate and go into a closet when

> it

> > comes to declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just

before

> declaring this to anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose

self-

> confidence and think that if I tell this person that Shri Mataji is

> an incarnation, the person will think that I am just another

fanatic

> follower of Modern day Guru, like evrey follower thinks that his

guru

> is an incarnation, he(that is me) is also thinking of Shri Mataji

as

> incarnation.

> > > Then I start questioning myself that - " How much faith I have

on

> > Shri Mataji ? How much in depth I have realised that She is THE

> ADISHAKTI?? Then, if I have not realised completely in MY heart

then

> how is the other person going to believe me...? "

> > >

> > > Apart from that as far as spreading " Sahaj Yoga " is concerned,

I

> > dont face much f a problem. I tell people and when I ask them to

do

> > realisation steps they feel very nice, I guess as my state

> improves, the better channel I become, people who get realisation

> through me, feel the realisation more comprehensively... This I

have

> noticed.

> > >

> > > Please help me in this regard...

> > >

> > > Thanking in Anticipation

> > >

> > > Lots of Nirmal Love

> > > Saarthak.

> >

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August 8, 2006

Dear Suzy,

The fact that you do not know who wrote (http://www.al-qiyamah.org/) is a sorry

indictment on WCASY who... in trying to 'organize the Truth'... which Shri

Mataji said " You cannot organize " ... have succeeded in rejecting this website,

but they have not succeeded (so far, anyway though they have tried " real hard " )

in trying to get Shri Mataji to reject it. They have, however, succeeded in

making sure that " most " Sahaja Yogis do not know about this website (and this

goes for the (http://adishakti.org/index.htm) as well). i guess since they can't

get Shri Mataji to reject the website(s)... the next best thing is to make sure

Sahaja Yogis don't find out about it. The only way i found out about them, was

by " sheer happy accident " which i don't believe was an accident, but a

fortuitious event.

What is the matter with them Suzy? (rhetorical question you do not need to

answer) They do not give a straightforward answers either, but any enquiries to

them... well they just keep 'fobbing' Jagbir off. They have no valid reason to

do what they are doing. It is sheer hypocrisy and spiritual dereliction of duty

on their part.

Btw... the only reason why a person has to organize the Truth anyway, is because

they don't accept the Truth as it is. By organizing it, a person/persons can put

their own " spin " on it. The SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) is a good

example of that, whereby WCASY members and leaders are putting their " spin " on

it by concentrating on cleansing, clearing and giving self-realization to the

extent that it has become a 'cut-and-dried-thing' with a formula of: -

" If you follow A, B, C, D, E, F, G.... then you will be " good Sahaja Yogi " .

However, this is very superficial. Shri Mataji did not need 30 years to give

such a trite formula. It took Shri Mataji 30 years or more to give the whole

formula, which we will be fortunate in our lifetimes to get anywhere near into

the whole spiritual depth of it.

The whole formula that Shri Mataji gave is much greater and much more

comprehensive than the narrow version that WCASY now give. WCASY's neat version

just suits themselves and their love of leadership. It doesn't suit anyone else,

unless they are used to playing " follow the leader " and they like that game.

However, it is a serious spiritual game that is being played, because to be in

the 'good books' of any religious leader (from whichever spiritual tradition)...

does not equate or translate to being in the 'good books' with the Divine or

God. You cannot please both God and mammon.

i am sorry to have to say this, but i have to say it: -

" The WCASY have been given no Divine Right to Rule as Priests. They have no

Divine Right as Priests to tell Sahaja Yogis which teachings of Shri Mataji to

concentrate on and which not to worry about. They have no Divine Right to tell

you that " this " spiritual teaching of Shri Mataji is important... and " that " is

not. They have no Divine Right as Priests to mediate between the Adi Shakti

Within and Sahaja Yogis. And yes... they are trying to imply that they have this

Divine Right to do so. "

Meanwhile, over the years, they have also organised and orchestrated a " Chinese

Whispering Campaign " over Sahaja Yoga Websites which they dominate and control.

They have done so in secret and not openly. In doing so, Suzy, they have also

(for all practical purposes) also rejected the greatest website where the " Ruh

of Allah " is clearly explained to those who come from the Islamic Spiritual

Tradition.