Wanted to ask a doubt ... Violet, Jeff needs a forensic scan

August 6, 2006

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Re: Jagbir, - my membership? jleow21 <jleow21,

jleow21 <jleow21, Violet <violet.tubb

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Jeff,

You should clarify yourself on the forum. That is why i am sending a

copy to Violet. Why the need for private emails?

jagbir

jleow21 <jleow21 wrote:

hI jAGBIR,

Not sure what's going on - I'm getting emails from others

I will keep an eye on my junk mail box also.

Can I try sending you an email directly from my email?

I guess you read that i saw Her 2 days ago - such bliss.

- Jeff

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> Re: Jagbir, - my membership?

> jleow21 , Violet

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> Hi Jeff,

>

> i did sent you an invite but your mailbox was rejecting the

invite.

> Even Violet had the same error message when she tried to contact

you

> (i have cc a copy to her). So we thought you had changed your mind

> and did not puruse it.

>

> Actually you can use the same jleow21 jleow21 to join

> since this is just another forum. i will send you another

> invite.

>

> regards,

>

> jagbir

>

> jleow21 wrote: Jagbir,

>

> I haven't heard from you regarding my joining this forum?

>

> - Jeff

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > i may have missed the golden years of Shri Mataji on Earth with

all

> > the intoxicating excitement and boundless energy of great

> > expectations of a global spiritual rennaisance. When i joined in

> > 1993 i was momentarily caught-up in the lingering hype of every

> > imaginable event - from the rain clearing to a successful job

> > interview to securing a downtown parking lot on Friday - being

the

> > blessing of the Divine bestowed to SYs.

> >

>

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Jeff, You should clarify yourself on the forum. That is why i

am

sending a copy to Violet. Why the need for private

emails? jagbir jleow21

& lt;jleow21 & gt; wrote:

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going on -

I'm getting emails from others I will keep an eye on my junk mail

box

also. Can I try sending you an email directly from my

email? I guess you read that i saw Her 2 days ago - such

bliss. -

Jeff --- In

, " jagbir

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an invite but your mailbox was rejecting the invite. & gt; Even

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regards, & gt; & gt; jagbir & gt; & gt; & gt; jleow21

<JLEOW21wrote: Jagbir, & gt; & gt; I haven't heard from you

regarding my

joining this forum? & gt; & gt; - Jeff & gt; & gt; --- In

, " jagbir singh " & gt;

wrote: & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Dear All, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

i may have missed the golden years of Shri Mataji on Earth

with all & gt;

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear Jeff,

>

> i have received an email from you and i have replied to you, but

it has been returned as shown below.

>

> So... i am posting your reply on this forum.

>

> regards,

>

> violet

>

> (P.S.... if anyone give this Website URL to Jeff, perhaps this

problem might be overcome...thanks, violet)

>

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> Dear Jeff,

>

> Thanks for the compliment. i am in Australia, but i was born in

Canada. i came to Sahaj in 1993 in Sydney, Australia. What about

yourself? What country are you in? i would be interested to know

when you came to Sahaj too.

>

> regards,

>

> violet

>

> -

> " jleow21 " <jleow21

> " Violet " <violet.tubb

> Saturday, August 05, 2006 11:56 PM

> Re: Wanted to ask a doubt ...

>

> > Hello Violet,

> >

> > I liked your response to Saarthak.

> >

> > Are you in the USA? When did you come to Sahaj? - where?

> >

> > - best,

> > Jeff

>

> In , " Violet " <violet.tubb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > , " Saarthak Vats "

> > <saarthakvats@> wrote:

> >

> > " My main doubt is this that I hesitate and go into a closet when

it

> comes to declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just before

> declaring this to anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose

self-

> confidence and think that if I tell this person that Shri Mataji

is an

> incarnation, the person will think that I am just another fanatic

> follower of Modern day Guru, like evrey follower thinks that his

guru

> is an incarnation, he(that is me) is also thinking of Shri Mataji

as

> incarnation. "

> >

> > Dear Saarthak,

> >

> > i don't go out into the street and shout out loud that " - " Guess

> what? Shri Mataji is an Incarnation! " . If i did that, people would

> surely think i was a " fanatical follower of a Guru " as you put it.

> >

> > i have no problem, however in telling the Truth that Shri Mataji

has

> brought. i do this with presence of heart, keeping in mind the

> spiritual tradition that the person comes from... and i weave the

> Teachings of Shri Mataji in with the Teachings of Jesus (mainly)

and i

> also use the Teachings of other Incarnations and prophets, too.

People

> are generally pretty intelligent and realise that if i talk about

Shri

> Mataji as Part and Parcel of Shri Jesus, Shri Buddha, and others...

> that Her Teachings must be " pretty special " too.

> >

> > They are special, but they also agree with all the Incarnations

and

> prophets in their essence. Often, people will themselves say that

She

> must be pretty special; so if i have not made it clear already,

then i

> just tell them outright that She is the " Christian Comforter " (but

i

> back that up with Scriptures). That is very important, to do that.

> >

> > So... for example, if a person comes from a Muslim background,

you

> can talk to them about the " Ruh of Allah " ... and of course, there

is

> the Islamic-oriented website, to which you can refer them to: -

> >

> > http://www.al-qiyamah.org/

> >

> > You are not alone. We are all working together as a worldwide

> collective of " Born of the Spirit Persons " . It will help to

remember

> that we are one large family. Just do what you want to do; it is a

joy

> to do what you " want " to do, spiritually. That is what it has to

be.

> It " has to be " something you " want to do " , and it is up to you how

you

> do that. You are your own best teacher. You know yourself best.

What

> the Divine gives you... just share that with others. It is quite

> simple.

> >

> > Also... if the person comes from 'more the Christian tradition',

> then you can refer them to: -

> >

> > (http://adishakti.org/index.htm)

> >

> > If you cannot say that She is an Incarnation, you " can " refer

them

> to the appropriate websites, where it explains it very clearly and

> very well. Sometimes confidence and self-assurance takes time to

build

> up, but it starts in little ways, like just expressing yourself in

> your own spiritual way, okay?

> >

> > You said: -

> >

> > " Then I start questioning myself that - " How much faith I have on

> Shri Mataji? How much in depth I have realised that She is THE

> ADISHAKTI?? Then, if I have not realised completely in MY heart

then

> how is the other person going to believe me...? "

> >

> > (Please stop torturing yourself, Saarthak. The more you question

> yourself like that, the more you are tearing yourself down. You

know

> that you have faith in the spiritual teachings of Shri Mataji if

you

> have " tested and tried them " like a scientist. Then you have proven

> the spiritual teachings. If they stand up to the scientific

testing,

> then you know they are the Truth. Then just stand on that Truth.

Those

> doubts come from a source that is not of your Spirit. The Spirit

> within (which communicates through your conscience)... will never

talk

> negatively to you like that. So... determine only to listen to the

> voice of the " Spirit Within " you, and you cannot go wrong. i assure

> you of that. As far as " realising completely " the Adi Shakti... it

is

> a growing spiritual experience. i don't know if the complete

> realisation of the Adi Shakti is every reached, because the Adi

Shakti

> is the Primordial Power of God, and His Power is greater than any

of

> us can ever realise. There will always be more and more to realise.

> There is no end to our spiritual journey. However... there is a

> " start " to it, though....And that " start " is to start walking on

that

> Path of your Spirit Within, and never look back.

> >

> > warmest regards,

> >

> > violet

> >

> > > Jai Shri Mataji Everyone,

> > >

> > > Reading your mails I really get inspired within, to declare to

the

> > everyone that Shri Mataji is indeed the Incarnation of Adishkti.

> > >

> > > I wanted to ask this thing to everyone, especially Jagbir

bhaiya

> and

> > Violet didi

> > >

> > > My main doubt is this that I hesitate and go into a closet

when it

> > comes to declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just

before

> declaring this to anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose

self-

> confidence and think that if I tell this person that Shri Mataji

is an

> incarnation, the person will think that I am just another fanatic

> follower of Modern day Guru, like evrey follower thinks that his

guru

> is an incarnation, he(that is me) is also thinking of Shri Mataji

as

> incarnation.

> > > Then I start questioning myself that - " How much faith I have

on

> > Shri Mataji ? How much in depth I have realised that She is THE

> ADISHAKTI?? Then, if I have not realised completely in MY heart

then

> how is the other person going to believe me...? "

> > >

> > > Apart from that as far as spreading " Sahaj Yoga " is concerned,

I

> > dont face much f a problem. I tell people and when I ask them to

do

> > realisation steps they feel very nice, I guess as my state

improves,

> the better channel I become, people who get realisation through me,

> feel the realisation more comprehensively... This I have noticed.

> > >

> > > Please help me in this regard...

> > >

> > > Thanking in Anticipation

> > >

> > > Lots of Nirmal Love

> > > Saarthak.

> >

>

August 6, 2006

Dear Jagbir,

i believe there was a " Jeff Loew " in the Sydney Collective in Australia.

However, i never got to know him, as he must have left before i went to the

collective.

However... when reminiscing about who had come and gone from the SY

Organization, some SY told me about Jeff, and that he was very well liked and

respected. She also told me that she did not know why he had left, as he had not

given any indication as to the reason.

In my opinion, therefore, i don't think that the " real Jeff Loew " would read

Saarthak's email and my response, and then kind of pretend that he does not know

about this forum. Also... i don't think that he would email me... asking me

questions... and then not allow for a reply to his email.

Maybe, the " real Jeff Loew " does not even know what is going on here. Maybe,

this is a " fake Jeff Loew " just pretending to be the " real Jeff Loew " . The

reason i say this... is because 2 + 2 isn't making 4.

violet

, " jagbir singh "

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> Re: Jagbir, - my membership? jleow21 <jleow21,

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> Jeff,

>

> You should clarify yourself on the forum. That is why i am sending a

> copy to Violet. Why the need for private emails?

>

> jagbir

>

> jleow21 <jleow21 wrote:

>

> hI jAGBIR,

>

> Not sure what's going on - I'm getting emails from others

> I will keep an eye on my junk mail box also.

>

> Can I try sending you an email directly from my email?

>

> I guess you read that i saw Her 2 days ago - such bliss.

>

> - Jeff

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi jleow21 ,

> >

> > This is the error message.

> >

> > jagbir

> >

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> > addresses.

> > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work

out.

> >

> > :

> > 4.79.181.135 failed after I sent the message.

> > Remote host said: 554 delivery error: dd Sorry your message to

> > jleow21@ cannot be delivered. This account has been

> > disabled or discontinued [#102]. - mta340.mail.mud.

> >

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> > jagbir singh

> > Re: Jagbir, - my membership?

> > jleow21 , Violet

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> >

> > Hi Jeff,

> >

> > i did sent you an invite but your mailbox was rejecting the

> invite.

> > Even Violet had the same error message when she tried to contact

> you

> > (i have cc a copy to her). So we thought you had changed your mind

> > and did not puruse it.

> >

> > Actually you can use the same jleow21 jleow21@ to join

> > since this is just another forum. i will send you another

> > invite.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> > jleow21 wrote: Jagbir,

> >

> > I haven't heard from you regarding my joining this forum?

> >

> > - Jeff

> >

> > , " jagbir singh "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > i may have missed the golden years of Shri Mataji on Earth with

> all

> > > the intoxicating excitement and boundless energy of great

> > > expectations of a global spiritual rennaisance. When i joined in

> > > 1993 i was momentarily caught-up in the lingering hype of every

> > > imaginable event - from the rain clearing to a successful job

> > > interview to securing a downtown parking lot on Friday - being

> the

> > > blessing of the Divine bestowed to SYs.

> > >

> >

>

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>

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> Jeff, You should clarify yourself on the forum. That is why i

> am

> sending a copy to Violet. Why the need for private

> emails? jagbir jleow21

> jleow21 wrote:

> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style= " PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;

> BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid " >hI jAGBIR, Not sure what's

> going on -

> I'm getting emails from others I will keep an eye on my junk mail

> box

> also. Can I try sending you an email directly from my

> email? I guess you read that i saw Her 2 days ago - such

> bliss. -

> Jeff --- In

> , " jagbir

> singh " <ADISHAKTI_ORG@>wrote: & gt; & gt; Hi jleow21

> <JLEOW21@>, & gt; & gt; This is the error

> message. & gt; & gt;

> jagbir & gt; & gt;

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> to the

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> given up. Sorry it didn't work out. & gt; & gt;

> <JLEOW21@>: & gt; 4.79.181.135 failed after I sent the

> message. & gt; Remote host

> said: 554 delivery error: dd Sorry your message to & gt;

> jleow21@

> cannot be delivered. This account has been & gt; disabled or

> discontinued [#102]. - mta340.mail.mud. & gt; & gt; ---

> Below this

> line is a copy of the message. & gt; & gt; Return-Path:

> <ADISHAKTI_ORG@> & gt; Received: (qmail 3193 invoked by uid

> 60001); 3 Aug 2006

> 02:33:48 - & gt; 0000 & gt; DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1;

> q=dns;

> c=nofws; & gt; s=s1024; d=; & gt; & gt;

> h=Message-ID:Received:Date:Subject:To:In-MIME-

> & gt;

> Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-

> Encoding; & gt; & gt;

b=tEk5cG1Jk17Tz5mV42QfEHhw4pXLb2TbnNtJ55

> RHi1DtR9+EJiVwq0KUTB84brLYBJ1 & gt;

g1b+cB6q6vd3FzoNkNyHE0Iugzrd

> ywtgBCGOM7P1Wp0Ygjv++T+SJbtzdiKyuOfPj3vju & gt;

> u5yuMpimAEVO4yv35HFPdRk/qotbctu7oSY= & gt; ; & gt; Message-ID:

> 20060803023348.3191.qmail@ & gt; Received: from

> [24.37.7.15]

> by web51705.mail. via HTTP; & gt; Wed, & gt; 02 Aug

> 2006

> 19:33:48 PDT & gt; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 19:33:48 -0700 (PDT)

> & gt;

> jagbir singh <ADISHAKTI_ORG@> & gt; Re: Jagbir, -

> my

> membership? & gt; jleow21 <JLEOW21@>, Violet

> <VIOLET.TUBB@> & gt; In-<EARIGF+J5K7@> & gt;

> MIME-Version:

> 1.0 & gt; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; & gt;

> boundary= " 0-1908425335-1154572428=:1924 " & gt; Content-Transfer-

> Encoding:

> 8bit & gt; & gt; --0-1908425335-1154572428=:1924 & gt;

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 & gt;

> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit & gt; & gt; Hi

> Jeff, & gt; & gt; i did sent you

> an invite but your mailbox was rejecting the invite. & gt; Even

> Violet had the same error message when she tried to

> contact you & gt; (i have cc a copy to her). So we thought you

> had changed your

> mind & gt; and did not puruse it. & gt; & gt; Actually you can

> use the

> same jleow21 jleow21@ to join & gt; since this is just another

> forum. i will send you another & gt; invite. & gt; & gt;

> regards, & gt; & gt; jagbir & gt; & gt; & gt; jleow21

> <JLEOW21@>wrote: Jagbir, & gt; & gt; I haven't heard from you

> regarding my

> joining this forum? & gt; & gt; - Jeff & gt; & gt; --- In

> , " jagbir singh " & gt;

> wrote: & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Dear All, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> i may have missed the golden years of Shri Mataji on Earth

> with all & gt;

>

> , " Violet "

> <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jeff,

> >

> > i have received an email from you and i have replied to you, but

> it has been returned as shown below.

> >

> > So... i am posting your reply on this forum.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > violet

> >

> > (P.S.... if anyone give this Website URL to Jeff, perhaps this

> problem might be overcome...thanks, violet)

> >

> > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----

> > <jleow21@>

> > (reason: 554 delivery error: dd Sorry your message to

> > jleow21@ cannot be delivered. This account has been disabled

> > or discontinued [#102]. - mta107.mail.re2.)

> >

> > ----- Transcript of session follows -----

> > ... while talking to mx1.mail..:

> > >>> DATA

> > <<< 451 mta173.mail.re4. Resources temporarily

> unavailable.

> > Please try again later. [#4.16.4:190].

> > ... while talking to mx3.mail..:

> > >>> DATA

> > <<< 554 delivery error: dd Sorry your message to jleow21@

> > cannot be delivered. This account has been disabled or

discontinued

> > [#102]. - mta107.mail.re2.

> > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable

> >

> > Dear Jeff,

> >

> > Thanks for the compliment. i am in Australia, but i was born in

> Canada. i came to Sahaj in 1993 in Sydney, Australia. What about

> yourself? What country are you in? i would be interested to know

> when you came to Sahaj too.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > violet

> >

> > -

> > " jleow21 " <jleow21@>

> > " Violet " <violet.tubb@>

> > Saturday, August 05, 2006 11:56 PM

> > Re: Wanted to ask a doubt ...

> >

> > > Hello Violet,

> > >

> > > I liked your response to Saarthak.

> > >

> > > Are you in the USA? When did you come to Sahaj? - where?

> > >

> > > - best,

> > > Jeff

> >

> > In , " Violet " <violet.tubb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > , " Saarthak Vats "

> > > <saarthakvats@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " My main doubt is this that I hesitate and go into a closet when

> it

> > comes to declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just before

> > declaring this to anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose

> self-

> > confidence and think that if I tell this person that Shri Mataji

> is an

> > incarnation, the person will think that I am just another fanatic

> > follower of Modern day Guru, like evrey follower thinks that his

> guru

> > is an incarnation, he(that is me) is also thinking of Shri Mataji

> as

> > incarnation. "

> > >

> > > Dear Saarthak,

> > >

> > > i don't go out into the street and shout out loud that " -

" Guess

> > what? Shri Mataji is an Incarnation! " . If i did that, people would

> > surely think i was a " fanatical follower of a Guru " as you put it.

> > >

> > > i have no problem, however in telling the Truth that Shri Mataji

> has

> > brought. i do this with presence of heart, keeping in mind the

> > spiritual tradition that the person comes from... and i weave the

> > Teachings of Shri Mataji in with the Teachings of Jesus (mainly)

> and i

> > also use the Teachings of other Incarnations and prophets, too.

> People

> > are generally pretty intelligent and realise that if i talk about

> Shri

> > Mataji as Part and Parcel of Shri Jesus, Shri Buddha, and others.

...

> > that Her Teachings must be " pretty special " too.

> > >

> > > They are special, but they also agree with all the Incarnations

> and

> > prophets in their essence. Often, people will themselves say that

> She

> > must be pretty special; so if i have not made it clear already,

> then i

> > just tell them outright that She is the " Christian Comforter " (but

> i

> > back that up with Scriptures). That is very important, to do that.

> > >

> > > So... for example, if a person comes from a Muslim background,

> you

> > can talk to them about the " Ruh of Allah " ... and of course, there

> is

> > the Islamic-oriented website, to which you can refer them to: -

> > >

> > > http://www.al-qiyamah.org/

> > >

> > > You are not alone. We are all working together as a worldwide

> > collective of " Born of the Spirit Persons " . It will help to

> remember

> > that we are one large family. Just do what you want to do; it is a

> joy

> > to do what you " want " to do, spiritually. That is what it has to

> be.

> > It " has to be " something you " want to do " , and it is up to you how

> you

> > do that. You are your own best teacher. You know yourself best.

> What

> > the Divine gives you... just share that with others. It is quite

> > simple.

> > >

> > > Also... if the person comes from 'more the Christian tradition',

> > then you can refer them to: -

> > >

> > > (http://adishakti.org/index.htm)

> > >

> > > If you cannot say that She is an Incarnation, you " can " refer

> them

> > to the appropriate websites, where it explains it very clearly and

> > very well. Sometimes confidence and self-assurance takes time to

> build

> > up, but it starts in little ways, like just expressing yourself in

> > your own spiritual way, okay?

> > >

> > > You said: -

> > >

> > > " Then I start questioning myself that - " How much faith I have

on

> > Shri Mataji? How much in depth I have realised that She is THE

> > ADISHAKTI?? Then, if I have not realised completely in MY heart

> then

> > how is the other person going to believe me...? "

> > >

> > > (Please stop torturing yourself, Saarthak. The more you question

> > yourself like that, the more you are tearing yourself down. You

> know

> > that you have faith in the spiritual teachings of Shri Mataji if

> you

> > have " tested and tried them " like a scientist. Then you have

proven

> > the spiritual teachings. If they stand up to the scientific

> testing,

> > then you know they are the Truth. Then just stand on that Truth.

> Those

> > doubts come from a source that is not of your Spirit. The Spirit

> > within (which communicates through your conscience)... will never

> talk

> > negatively to you like that. So... determine only to listen to the

> > voice of the " Spirit Within " you, and you cannot go wrong. i

assure

> > you of that. As far as " realising completely " the Adi Shakti... it

> is

> > a growing spiritual experience. i don't know if the complete

> > realisation of the Adi Shakti is every reached, because the Adi

> Shakti

> > is the Primordial Power of God, and His Power is greater than any

> of

> > us can ever realise. There will always be more and more to

realise.

> > There is no end to our spiritual journey. However... there is a

> > " start " to it, though....And that " start " is to start walking on

> that

> > Path of your Spirit Within, and never look back.

> > >

> > > warmest regards,

> > >

> > > violet

> > >

> > > > Jai Shri Mataji Everyone,

> > > >

> > > > Reading your mails I really get inspired within, to declare to

> the

> > > everyone that Shri Mataji is indeed the Incarnation of Adishkti.

> > > >

> > > > I wanted to ask this thing to everyone, especially Jagbir

> bhaiya

> > and

> > > Violet didi

> > > >

> > > > My main doubt is this that I hesitate and go into a closet

> when it

> > > comes to declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just

> before

> > declaring this to anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose

> self-

> > confidence and think that if I tell this person that Shri Mataji

> is an

> > incarnation, the person will think that I am just another fanatic

> > follower of Modern day Guru, like evrey follower thinks that his

> guru

> > is an incarnation, he(that is me) is also thinking of Shri Mataji

> as

> > incarnation.

> > > > Then I start questioning myself that - " How much faith I have

> on

> > > Shri Mataji ? How much in depth I have realised that She is THE

> > ADISHAKTI?? Then, if I have not realised completely in MY heart

> then

> > how is the other person going to believe me...? "

> > > >

> > > > Apart from that as far as spreading " Sahaj Yoga " is concerned,

> I

> > > dont face much f a problem. I tell people and when I ask them to

> do

> > > realisation steps they feel very nice, I guess as my state

> improves,

> > the better channel I become, people who get realisation through

me,

> > feel the realisation more comprehensively... This I have noticed.

> > > >

> > > > Please help me in this regard...

> > > >

> > > > Thanking in Anticipation

> > > >

> > > > Lots of Nirmal Love

> > > > Saarthak.

> > >

> >

>

August 6, 2006

Hello Jeff,

Okay, Jeff... so be it. Unfortunately, i cannot help you with your technical

problem. Until you can sort out that technical problem and identify yourself

clearly, i would appreciate it if you do not email me privately anymore.

- Violet

-

" jleow21 " <jleow21

" Violet " <violet.tubb

Sunday, August 06, 2006 12:01 PM

Re: Wanted to ask a doubt ... Violet, Jeff needs a forensic

scan

> Dear Violet,

>

> I truly do not know why this site's emails will not come to me.

> I get emails even from the negative site members and other old yogis

> who I maintain contact with. If normal technical expertise does not

> solve it, then perhaps it is Mother's will

>

> Yes, I came to SY long ago.

> Yes, I still follow the original teachings of Adi Shakti Nirmala

> Devi, and not the U.N. beauracratic systems currently in force.

> Yes, I deeply enjoy the intense Bliss that my Mother, Guru and

> beloved Goddess has awakened in me.

> Yes, I have been blessed VERY recently to see Her.

>

> yes, I avoid mixing with most of the other SYs because .....

>

> I came to SY in the days when She taught us individually - we were

> truly in the Kingdom of Heaven.

>

> - Jeff

In , " Violet " <violet.tubb

wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> i believe there was a " Jeff Loew " in the Sydney Collective in

Australia. However, i never got to know him, as he must have left

before i went to the collective.

>

> However... when reminiscing about who had come and gone from the SY

Organization, some SY told me about Jeff, and that he was very well

liked and respected. She also told me that she did not know why he had

left, as he had not given any indication as to the reason.

>

> In my opinion, therefore, i don't think that the " real Jeff Loew "

would read Saarthak's email and my response, and then kind of pretend

that he does not know about this forum. Also... i don't think that he

would email me... asking me questions... and then not allow for a

reply to his email.

>

> Maybe, the " real Jeff Loew " does not even know what is going on

here. Maybe, this is a " fake Jeff Loew " just pretending to be the

" real Jeff Loew " . The reason i say this... is because 2 + 2 isn't

making 4.

>

> violet

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > Message-ID: <20060806124340.4628.qmail@>

> > Received: from [24.37.7.15] by web51703.mail. via HTTP;

> > Sun,

> > 06 Aug 2006 05:43:40 PDT

> > Sun, 6 Aug 2006 05:43:40 -0700 (PDT)

> > jagbir singh <adishakti_org@>

> > Re: Jagbir, - my membership? jleow21 <jleow21@>,

> > jleow21 <jleow21@>, Violet <violet.tubb@>

> > In-<eb3ft1+65jj@>

> > MIME-Version: 1.0

> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

> > boundary= " 0-1476122639-1154868220=:4366 "

> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

> >

> > --0-1476122639-1154868220=:4366

> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

> >

> > Jeff,

> >

> > You should clarify yourself on the forum. That is why i am sending

a

> > copy to Violet. Why the need for private emails?

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> > jleow21 <jleow21@> wrote:

> >

> > hI jAGBIR,

> >

> > Not sure what's going on - I'm getting emails from others

> > I will keep an eye on my junk mail box also.

> >

> > Can I try sending you an email directly from my email?

> >

> > I guess you read that i saw Her 2 days ago - such bliss.

> >

> > - Jeff

> >

> > , " jagbir singh "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi jleow21 ,

> > >

> > > This is the error message.

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> > > -------------------------------

> > >

> > > 3 Aug 2006 02:34:11 -0000

> > > MAILER-DAEMON@ Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert

> > > DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by

> > > . Learn more

> > > adishakti_org@

> > > failure notice

> > >

> > > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at .

> > > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the

following

> > > addresses.

> > > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work

> out.

> > >

> > > :

> > > 4.79.181.135 failed after I sent the message.

> > > Remote host said: 554 delivery error: dd Sorry your message to

> > > jleow21@ cannot be delivered. This account has been

> > > disabled or discontinued [#102]. - mta340.mail.mud.

> > >

> > > --- Below this line is a copy of the message.

> > >

> > > Return-Path:

> > > Received: (qmail 3193 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2006 02:33:48

-

> > > 0000

> > > DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;

> > > s=s1024; d=;

> > >

> > > h=Message-ID:Received:Date:Subject:To:In-MIME-

> > > Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding;

> > >

> >

>

b=tEk5cG1Jk17Tz5mV42QfEHhw4pXLb2TbnNtJ55RHi1DtR9+EJiVwq0KUTB84brLYBJ1

> > >

> >

>

g1b+cB6q6vd3FzoNkNyHE0IugzrdywtgBCGOM7P1Wp0Ygjv++T+SJbtzdiKyuOfPj3vju

> > > u5yuMpimAEVO4yv35HFPdRk/qotbctu7oSY=

> > > ;

> > > Message-ID: <20060803023348.3191.qmail@>

> > > Received: from [24.37.7.15] by web51705.mail. via HTTP;

> > > Wed,

> > > 02 Aug 2006 19:33:48 PDT

> > > Wed, 2 Aug 2006 19:33:48 -0700 (PDT)

> > > jagbir singh

> > > Re: Jagbir, - my membership?

> > > jleow21 , Violet

> > > In-

> > > MIME-Version: 1.0

> > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

> > > boundary= " 0-1908425335-1154572428=:1924 "

> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

> > >

> > > --0-1908425335-1154572428=:1924

> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

> > >

> > > Hi Jeff,

> > >

> > > i did sent you an invite but your mailbox was rejecting the

> > invite.

> > > Even Violet had the same error message when she tried to contact

> > you

> > > (i have cc a copy to her). So we thought you had changed your

mind

> > > and did not puruse it.

> > >

> > > Actually you can use the same jleow21 jleow21@ to join

> > > since this is just another forum. i will send you another

> > > invite.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> > > jleow21 wrote: Jagbir,

> > >

> > > I haven't heard from you regarding my joining this forum?

> > >

> > > - Jeff

> > >

> > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > i may have missed the golden years of Shri Mataji on Earth

with

> > all

> > > > the intoxicating excitement and boundless energy of great

> > > > expectations of a global spiritual rennaisance. When i joined

in

> > > > 1993 i was momentarily caught-up in the lingering hype of

every

> > > > imaginable event - from the rain clearing to a successful job

> > > > interview to securing a downtown parking lot on Friday - being

> > the

> > > > blessing of the Divine bestowed to SYs.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > img src=http://adishakti.org/images/adi_shakti_1.jpg

> >

> > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Small Business.

> > --0-1476122639-1154868220=:4366

> > Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

> >

> > Jeff, You should clarify yourself on the forum. That is why

i

> > am

> > sending a copy to Violet. Why the need for private

> > emails? jagbir jleow21

> > jleow21@ wrote:

> > <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style= " PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:

5px;

> > BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid " >hI jAGBIR, Not sure what's

> > going on -

> > I'm getting emails from others I will keep an eye on my junk

mail

> > box

> > also. Can I try sending you an email directly from my

> > email? I guess you read that i saw Her 2 days ago - such

> > bliss. -

> > Jeff --- In

> > , " jagbir

> > singh " <ADISHAKTI_ORG@>wrote: & gt; & gt; Hi jleow21

> > <JLEOW21@>, & gt; & gt; This is the error

> > message. & gt; & gt;

> > jagbir & gt; & gt;

> > -------------------------------

> > & gt; & gt; 3 Aug 2006 02:34:11 -0000 & gt;

> > MAILER-DAEMON@ Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert & gt;

> > DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent

> > by & gt;

> > . Learn more & gt; adishakti_org@ & gt; Subject:

> > failure notice & gt; & gt; Hi. This is the qmail-send program

at

> > . & gt; I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your

message

> > to the

> > following & gt; addresses. & gt; This is a permanent error;

I've

> > given up. Sorry it didn't work out. & gt; & gt;

> > <JLEOW21@>: & gt; 4.79.181.135 failed after I sent the

> > message. & gt; Remote host

> > said: 554 delivery error: dd Sorry your message to & gt;

> > jleow21@

> > cannot be delivered. This account has been & gt; disabled or

> > discontinued [#102]. - mta340.mail.mud. & gt; & gt; -

--

> > Below this

> > line is a copy of the message. & gt; & gt; Return-Path:

> > <ADISHAKTI_ORG@> & gt; Received: (qmail 3193 invoked by uid

> > 60001); 3 Aug 2006

> > 02:33:48 - & gt; 0000 & gt; DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1;

> > q=dns;

> > c=nofws; & gt; s=s1024; d=; & gt; & gt;

> > h=Message-ID:Received:Date:Subject:To:In-MIME-

> > & gt;

> > Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-

> > Encoding; & gt; & gt;

> b=tEk5cG1Jk17Tz5mV42QfEHhw4pXLb2TbnNtJ55

> > RHi1DtR9+EJiVwq0KUTB84brLYBJ1 & gt;

> g1b+cB6q6vd3FzoNkNyHE0Iugzrd

> > ywtgBCGOM7P1Wp0Ygjv++T+SJbtzdiKyuOfPj3vju & gt;

> > u5yuMpimAEVO4yv35HFPdRk/qotbctu7oSY= & gt; ; & gt; Message-ID:

> > 20060803023348.3191.qmail@ & gt; Received: from

> > [24.37.7.15]

> > by web51705.mail. via HTTP; & gt; Wed, & gt; 02 Aug

> > 2006

> > 19:33:48 PDT & gt; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 19:33:48 -0700 (PDT)

> > & gt;

> > jagbir singh <ADISHAKTI_ORG@> & gt; Re: Jagbir, -

> > my

> > membership? & gt; jleow21 <JLEOW21@>, Violet

> > <VIOLET.TUBB@> & gt; In-<EARIGF+J5K7@> & gt;

> > MIME-Version:

> > 1.0 & gt; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; & gt;

> > boundary= " 0-1908425335-1154572428=:1924 " & gt; Content-Transfer-

> > Encoding:

> > 8bit & gt; & gt; --0-1908425335-1154572428=:1924 & gt;

> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 & gt;

> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit & gt; & gt; Hi

> > Jeff, & gt; & gt; i did sent you

> > an invite but your mailbox was rejecting the invite. & gt;

Even

> > Violet had the same error message when she tried to

> > contact you & gt; (i have cc a copy to her). So we thought

you

> > had changed your

> > mind & gt; and did not puruse it. & gt; & gt; Actually you

can

> > use the

> > same jleow21 jleow21@ to join & gt; since this is just another

> > forum. i will send you another & gt; invite. & gt;

& gt;

> > regards, & gt; & gt; jagbir & gt; & gt; & gt; jleow21

> > <JLEOW21@>wrote: Jagbir, & gt; & gt; I haven't heard from you

> > regarding my

> > joining this forum? & gt; & gt; - Jeff & gt; & gt; --- In

> > , " jagbir singh " & gt;

> > wrote: & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Dear All, & gt; & gt; & gt;

& gt;

> > i may have missed the golden years of Shri Mataji on Earth

> > with all & gt;

> >

> > , " Violet "

> > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jeff,

> > >

> > > i have received an email from you and i have replied to you, but

> > it has been returned as shown below.

> > >

> > > So... i am posting your reply on this forum.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > violet

> > >

> > > (P.S.... if anyone give this Website URL to Jeff, perhaps this

> > problem might be overcome...thanks, violet)

> > >

> > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----

> > > <jleow21@>

> > > (reason: 554 delivery error: dd Sorry your message to

> > > jleow21@ cannot be delivered. This account has been disabled

> > > or discontinued [#102]. - mta107.mail.re2.)

> > >

> > > ----- Transcript of session follows -----

> > > ... while talking to mx1.mail..:

> > > >>> DATA

> > > <<< 451 mta173.mail.re4. Resources temporarily

> > unavailable.

> > > Please try again later. [#4.16.4:190].

> > > ... while talking to mx3.mail..:

> > > >>> DATA

> > > <<< 554 delivery error: dd Sorry your message to jleow21@

> > > cannot be delivered. This account has been disabled or

> discontinued

> > > [#102]. - mta107.mail.re2.

> > > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable

> > >

> > > Dear Jeff,

> > >

> > > Thanks for the compliment. i am in Australia, but i was born in

> > Canada. i came to Sahaj in 1993 in Sydney, Australia. What about

> > yourself? What country are you in? i would be interested to know

> > when you came to Sahaj too.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > violet

> > >

> > > -

> > > " jleow21 " <jleow21@>

> > > " Violet " <violet.tubb@>

> > > Saturday, August 05, 2006 11:56 PM

> > > Re: Wanted to ask a doubt ...

> > >

> > > > Hello Violet,

> > > >

> > > > I liked your response to Saarthak.

> > > >

> > > > Are you in the USA? When did you come to Sahaj? - where?

> > > >

> > > > - best,

> > > > Jeff

> > >

> > > In , " Violet " <violet.

tubb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > , " Saarthak Vats "

> > > > <saarthakvats@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " My main doubt is this that I hesitate and go into a closet

when

> > it

> > > comes to declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just

before

> > > declaring this to anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose

> > self-

> > > confidence and think that if I tell this person that Shri Mataji

> > is an

> > > incarnation, the person will think that I am just another

fanatic

> > > follower of Modern day Guru, like evrey follower thinks that his

> > guru

> > > is an incarnation, he(that is me) is also thinking of Shri

Mataji

> > as

> > > incarnation. "

> > > >

> > > > Dear Saarthak,

> > > >

> > > > i don't go out into the street and shout out loud that " -

> " Guess

> > > what? Shri Mataji is an Incarnation! " . If i did that, people

would

> > > surely think i was a " fanatical follower of a Guru " as you put

it.

> > > >

> > > > i have no problem, however in telling the Truth that Shri

Mataji

> > has

> > > brought. i do this with presence of heart, keeping in mind the

> > > spiritual tradition that the person comes from... and i weave

the

> > > Teachings of Shri Mataji in with the Teachings of Jesus (mainly)

> > and i

> > > also use the Teachings of other Incarnations and prophets, too.

> > People

> > > are generally pretty intelligent and realise that if i talk

about

> > Shri

> > > Mataji as Part and Parcel of Shri Jesus, Shri Buddha, and

others.

> ..

> > > that Her Teachings must be " pretty special " too.

> > > >

> > > > They are special, but they also agree with all the

Incarnations

> > and

> > > prophets in their essence. Often, people will themselves say

that

> > She

> > > must be pretty special; so if i have not made it clear already,

> > then i

> > > just tell them outright that She is the " Christian Comforter "

(but

> > i

> > > back that up with Scriptures). That is very important, to do

that.

> > > >

> > > > So... for example, if a person comes from a Muslim background,

> > you

> > > can talk to them about the " Ruh of Allah " ... and of course,

there

> > is

> > > the Islamic-oriented website, to which you can refer them to: -

> > > >

> > > > http://www.al-qiyamah.org/

> > > >

> > > > You are not alone. We are all working together as a worldwide

> > > collective of " Born of the Spirit Persons " . It will help to

> > remember

> > > that we are one large family. Just do what you want to do; it is

a

> > joy

> > > to do what you " want " to do, spiritually. That is what it has to

> > be.

> > > It " has to be " something you " want to do " , and it is up to you

how

> > you

> > > do that. You are your own best teacher. You know yourself best.

> > What

> > > the Divine gives you... just share that with others. It is quite

> > > simple.

> > > >

> > > > Also... if the person comes from 'more the Christian

tradition',

> > > then you can refer them to: -

> > > >

> > > > (http://adishakti.org/index.htm)

> > > >

> > > > If you cannot say that She is an Incarnation, you " can " refer

> > them

> > > to the appropriate websites, where it explains it very clearly

and

> > > very well. Sometimes confidence and self-assurance takes time to

> > build

> > > up, but it starts in little ways, like just expressing yourself

in

> > > your own spiritual way, okay?

> > > >

> > > > You said: -

> > > >

> > > > " Then I start questioning myself that - " How much faith I have

> on

> > > Shri Mataji? How much in depth I have realised that She is THE

> > > ADISHAKTI?? Then, if I have not realised completely in MY heart

> > then

> > > how is the other person going to believe me...? "

> > > >

> > > > (Please stop torturing yourself, Saarthak. The more you

question

> > > yourself like that, the more you are tearing yourself down. You

> > know

> > > that you have faith in the spiritual teachings of Shri Mataji if

> > you

> > > have " tested and tried them " like a scientist. Then you have

> proven

> > > the spiritual teachings. If they stand up to the scientific

> > testing,

> > > then you know they are the Truth. Then just stand on that Truth.

> > Those

> > > doubts come from a source that is not of your Spirit. The Spirit

> > > within (which communicates through your conscience)... will

never

> > talk

> > > negatively to you like that. So... determine only to listen to

the

> > > voice of the " Spirit Within " you, and you cannot go wrong. i

> assure

> > > you of that. As far as " realising completely " the Adi Shakti...

it

> > is

> > > a growing spiritual experience. i don't know if the complete

> > > realisation of the Adi Shakti is every reached, because the Adi

> > Shakti

> > > is the Primordial Power of God, and His Power is greater than

any

> > of

> > > us can ever realise. There will always be more and more to

> realise.

> > > There is no end to our spiritual journey. However... there is a

> > > " start " to it, though....And that " start " is to start walking on

> > that

> > > Path of your Spirit Within, and never look back.

> > > >

> > > > warmest regards,

> > > >

> > > > violet

> > > >

> > > > > Jai Shri Mataji Everyone,

> > > > >

> > > > > Reading your mails I really get inspired within, to declare

to

> > the

> > > > everyone that Shri Mataji is indeed the Incarnation of

Adishkti.

> > > > >

> > > > > I wanted to ask this thing to everyone, especially Jagbir

> > bhaiya

> > > and

> > > > Violet didi

> > > > >

> > > > > My main doubt is this that I hesitate and go into a closet

> > when it

> > > > comes to declaring that Shri Mataji is an incarnation. Just

> > before

> > > declaring this to anyone I get strange fear in my Heart, I loose

> > self-

> > > confidence and think that if I tell this person that Shri Mataji

> > is an

> > > incarnation, the person will think that I am just another

fanatic

> > > follower of Modern day Guru, like evrey follower thinks that his

> > guru

> > > is an incarnation, he(that is me) is also thinking of Shri

Mataji

> > as

> > > incarnation.

> > > > > Then I start questioning myself that - " How much faith I

have

> > on

> > > > Shri Mataji ? How much in depth I have realised that She is

THE

> > > ADISHAKTI?? Then, if I have not realised completely in MY heart

> > then

> > > how is the other person going to believe me...? "

> > > > >

> > > > > Apart from that as far as spreading " Sahaj Yoga " is

concerned,

> > I

> > > > dont face much f a problem. I tell people and when I ask them

to

> > do

> > > > realisation steps they feel very nice, I guess as my state

> > improves,

> > > the better channel I become, people who get realisation through

> me,

> > > feel the realisation more comprehensively... This I have

noticed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please help me in this regard...

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanking in Anticipation

> > > > >

> > > > > Lots of Nirmal Love

> > > > > Saarthak.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 6, 2006

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> i believe there was a " Jeff Loew " in the Sydney Collective in

Australia. However, i never got to know him, as he must have left

before i went to the collective.

>

> However... when reminiscing about who had come and gone from the

SY Organization, some SY told me about Jeff, and that he was very

well liked and respected. She also told me that she did not know why

he had left, as he had not given any indication as to the reason.

>

> In my opinion, therefore, i don't think that the " real Jeff Loew "

would read Saarthak's email and my response, and then kind of

pretend that he does not know about this forum. Also... i don't

think that he would email me... asking me questions... and then not

allow for a reply to his email.

>

> Maybe, the " real Jeff Loew " does not even know what is going on

here. Maybe, this is a " fake Jeff Loew " just pretending to be

the " real Jeff Loew " . The reason i say this... is because 2 + 2

isn't making 4.

>

> violet

>

Dear Violet,

Jeff is indeed a mysterious fellow. I have done a bit of snooping on

his emails on another forum and found that he and another regular at

that forum by name of John Glove are probably the same person

because their posts are from the same fixed IP address,

70.32.229.205. I summarize below their IPs and email addresses:

70.32.229.205 " jglove7 " <jglove7

70.32.229.205 " jleow21 " <jleow21

A trace of his IP address shows that his ISP is Adelphia Cable

Communications in Pennsylvania, details below. If you feel that he

has harassed you in any way, you can complain to Adelphia at

abuse

Chandra

OrgName: Adelphia

OrgID: C01318964

Address: 1 North Main Street

City: Coudersport

StateProv: PA

PostalCode: 16915

Country: US

NetRange: 70.32.192.0 - 70.32.255.255

CIDR: 18

NetName: 70-32-192-0-Z7

NetHandle: NET-70-32-192-0-1

Parent: NET-70-32-0-0-1

NetType: Reassigned

Comment:

Reg 2006-03-31

Updated: 2006-03-31

OrgAbuseHandle: IPE-ARIN

OrgAbuseName: Internet Policy Enforcement

OrgAbusePhone: +1-866-473-2909

OrgAbuseEmail: abuse

OrgTechHandle: CKI8-ARIN

OrgTechName: Kio, Carolyn

OrgTechPhone: +1-888-512-5111

OrgTechEmail: arin

August 6, 2006

Dear Chandra,

Thank you for this information. It seems that this Jeff Loew is indeed

a mysterious person. i am satisfied now that 2 + 2 are not equalling 4.

Thanks,

violet

, " my2pai " <my2pai

wrote:

> Dear Violet,

>

> Jeff is indeed a mysterious fellow. I have done a bit of snooping on

> his emails on another forum and found that he and another regular at

> that forum by name of John Glove are probably the same person

> because their posts are from the same fixed IP address,

> 70.32.229.205. I summarize below their IPs and email addresses:

>

> 70.32.229.205 " jglove7 " <jglove7

> 70.32.229.205 " jleow21 " <jleow21

>

> A trace of his IP address shows that his ISP is Adelphia Cable

> Communications in Pennsylvania, details below. If you feel that he

> has harassed you in any way, you can complain to Adelphia at

> abuse

>

> Chandra

>

> OrgName: Adelphia

> OrgID: C01318964

> Address: 1 North Main Street

> City: Coudersport

> StateProv: PA

> PostalCode: 16915

> Country: US

>

> NetRange: 70.32.192.0 - 70.32.255.255

> CIDR: 18

> NetName: 70-32-192-0-Z7

> NetHandle: NET-70-32-192-0-1

> Parent: NET-70-32-0-0-1

> NetType: Reassigned

> Comment:

> Reg 2006-03-31

> Updated: 2006-03-31

>

> OrgAbuseHandle: IPE-ARIN

> OrgAbuseName: Internet Policy Enforcement

> OrgAbusePhone: +1-866-473-2909

> OrgAbuseEmail: abuse

>

> OrgTechHandle: CKI8-ARIN

> OrgTechName: Kio, Carolyn

> OrgTechPhone: +1-888-512-5111

> OrgTechEmail: arin

> , " Violet "

> <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir,

> >

> > i believe there was a " Jeff Loew " in the Sydney Collective in

> Australia. However, i never got to know him, as he must have left

> before i went to the collective.

> >

> > However... when reminiscing about who had come and gone from the

> SY Organization, some SY told me about Jeff, and that he was very

> well liked and respected. She also told me that she did not know why

> he had left, as he had not given any indication as to the reason.

> >

> > In my opinion, therefore, i don't think that the " real Jeff Loew "

> would read Saarthak's email and my response, and then kind of

> pretend that he does not know about this forum. Also... i don't

> think that he would email me... asking me questions... and then not

> allow for a reply to his email.

> >

> > Maybe, the " real Jeff Loew " does not even know what is going on

> here. Maybe, this is a " fake Jeff Loew " just pretending to be

> the " real Jeff Loew " . The reason i say this... is because 2 + 2

> isn't making 4.

> >

> > violet

> >

>

> Dear Violet,

>

> Jeff is indeed a mysterious fellow. I have done a bit of snooping on

> his emails on another forum and found that he and another regular at

> that forum by name of John Glove are probably the same person

> because their posts are from the same fixed IP address,

> 70.32.229.205. I summarize below their IPs and email addresses:

>

> 70.32.229.205 " jglove7 " <jglove7

> 70.32.229.205 " jleow21 " <jleow21

>

> A trace of his IP address shows that his ISP is Adelphia Cable

> Communications in Pennsylvania, details below. If you feel that he

> has harassed you in any way, you can complain to Adelphia at

> abuse

>

> Chandra

>

> OrgName: Adelphia

> OrgID: C01318964

> Address: 1 North Main Street

> City: Coudersport

> StateProv: PA

> PostalCode: 16915

> Country: US

>

> NetRange: 70.32.192.0 - 70.32.255.255

> CIDR: 18

> NetName: 70-32-192-0-Z7

> NetHandle: NET-70-32-192-0-1

> Parent: NET-70-32-0-0-1

> NetType: Reassigned

> Comment:

> Reg 2006-03-31

> Updated: 2006-03-31

>

> OrgAbuseHandle: IPE-ARIN

> OrgAbuseName: Internet Policy Enforcement

> OrgAbusePhone: +1-866-473-2909

> OrgAbuseEmail: abuse

>

> OrgTechHandle: CKI8-ARIN

> OrgTechName: Kio, Carolyn

> OrgTechPhone: +1-888-512-5111

> OrgTechEmail: arin

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