i am quite sure Kyyan would have quit completely like 99.99% of all seekers

[Guest guest]

Dear Chuck,

 

Thank you for your kind and encouraging words that really comfort. i

am sure Violet will agree too.

 

i believe you may be one of the earliest devotee of Shri Mataji who

have advanced so far without meeting a SY or setting foot in any

collective. The fact that on your own you have fared better than the

vast majority is testament to the triumph of the all-encompassing

Divine Message over the petty subtle system. The bitter

experience of Kyyan, who had to eventually quit the Vancouver

collective, should always serve as a reminder that it is better not

to follow the Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion. i am quite sure

Kyyan would have quit completely like 99.99% of all seekers over the

decades, if not for his knowledge of and faith in the Divine Message.

 

This is part of the recent email Kyyan wrote to someone who wanted

him to go back to the collective:

 

" As far as collectives are concerned, my lack of going to the

collective has nothing to do Jagbir's paranoia or his stance on the

WCASY, but rather my own dealings with them. I thought Jagbir was

over doing it as well and that much of it was unfounded, but that

was until i spent more and more time with my collective and began to

clearly see without a doubt that everything that was said by Jagbir

was indeed true, and not just " paranoia " as you put it.....rather

truth. I stopped going because i was not being helped, was not

finding the truth or having my questions answered to my satisfaction

and because i was beoming to distracted by the internal struggles,

petty bickering and rumours that have torn my collective apart. It's

not worth my piece of mind or my ascent to get bound up or lost in

my head because of others problems, superstitions and other

nonsence, not to mention the lack of knowledge of the divine

message, which is the point of SY.

 

Not going to the collective might make it easier to fall when you

start due to lack of support of established yogis; however, i dont

see how staying within a falling structure such as my collective

will keep me from falling along with it. " (end)

 

 

So Chuck you have not lost anything, but gained much, by being your

own master. i can honestly say that you have saved years of

problems, superstitions and other nonsense by not going to any SY

collective. So never go there as you are far advanced than them. If

you ever do you will have to start in Grade One, and they will

condition you with all their ignorance, problems and pettiness. You

will regress. Believe me as i am not patronizing you ............. i

am another example of being blessed to be my own master. So i am

truly happy for you and others like Violet who have decided to throw

off the heavy yoke of the collectives and continue on their own. i

am sure you will advance much faster and further now.

 

And Chuck, thanks for your faith in Kash, Arwinder and Lalita. i

also would have been in the dark without them. Now i know, among

other things, that God Almighty and His messengers exist and that

those who strive with mind, body and soul to live righteously during

the Last Judgment will attain eternal life. For that you must

without question hold on to the Truth, not the subtle system.

 

warmest regards,

 

 

jagbir

 

 

, " Chuck "

<chuckhennigan wrote:

>

> Thank you Violet for your kind words. Jagbir and you are doing a

> tremendous job of bringing truth to the world. You and Jagbir do

not need to worry if anyone gets offended by what you say regarding

> Sahaja Yoga organization. There is no such thing as an

organization, as when people try and organize anything it will

become corrupt. I do not see myself as in an organization but like

Shri Mataji says, but one drop in an ocean with all other realized

souls seeking the truth where there is no ego or anything else of

the lower self. I want to also say thank you to Jagbir and his

children because if it were not for Kash, Lalita or Arwinder; I

would still be in darkness not knowing any truth.

>

> Happy Raksha Bhandans to you also Violet and to everyone else,

>

> Love,

>

> Chuck

>

> , " Violet "

> <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > To All My Spiritual Brothers,

> >

> > In addition to wishing Happy Raksha Bhandans to Jagbir and Dr.

> Balwinder... i would also like to make some more wishes: -

> >

> > Dear Chandra,

> >

> > Thank you dear brother for all your kindnesses and your spirit

of love. You will never be forgotten.

> >

> > Dear Chuck,

> >

> > May God bless you dear Brother as you grow deeper in the

knowledge of your Spiritual Mother.

> >

> > Dear Kyyan,

> >

> > You are a continual inspiration to me. Keep looking up.

> >

> >

> > Love to All,

> >

> > From Your Sister, Violet

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chuck,

 

Thank you for your kind and encouraging words. i also agree with what Jagbir has

said regarding organizing the Truth. Kyyan's example is proof that advancement

in the local collective is very difficult due to the fact that the Truth has now

been organized into a Subtle System Religion. Chuck and Kyyan are both deep

seekers and nothing less than the Absolute (and unorganised) Truth will satisfy

them.

 

On this forum we are quite aware that the Absolute Truth can never be organised.

Shri Mataji has said it, too! The Truth that Chuck and Kyyan are following is

the " Absolute (and unorganized) Truth " . Contrary to organised truth which varies

according to the whims and fancies of those who try to organise it... the

Universal Truth never changes one little bit. It is straightforward and

uncomplicated.

 

violet

 

 

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> Dear Chuck,

>

> Thank you for your kind and encouraging words that really comfort. i

> am sure Violet will agree too.

>

> i believe you may be one of the earliest devotee of Shri Mataji who

> have advanced so far without meeting a SY or setting foot in any

> collective. The fact that on your own you have fared better than the

> vast majority is testament to the triumph of the all-encompassing

> Divine Message over the petty subtle system. The bitter

> experience of Kyyan, who had to eventually quit the Vancouver

> collective, should always serve as a reminder that it is better not

> to follow the Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion. i am quite sure

> Kyyan would have quit completely like 99.99% of all seekers over the

> decades, if not for his knowledge of and faith in the Divine

Message.

>

> This is part of the recent email Kyyan wrote to someone who wanted

> him to go back to the collective:

>

> " As far as collectives are concerned, my lack of going to the

> collective has nothing to do Jagbir's paranoia or his stance on the

> WCASY, but rather my own dealings with them. I thought Jagbir was

> over doing it as well and that much of it was unfounded, but that

> was until i spent more and more time with my collective and began to

> clearly see without a doubt that everything that was said by Jagbir

> was indeed true, and not just " paranoia " as you put it.....rather

> truth. I stopped going because i was not being helped, was not

> finding the truth or having my questions answered to my satisfaction

> and because i was beoming to distracted by the internal struggles,

> petty bickering and rumours that have torn my collective apart. It's

> not worth my piece of mind or my ascent to get bound up or lost in

> my head because of others problems, superstitions and other

> nonsence, not to mention the lack of knowledge of the divine

> message, which is the point of SY.

>

> Not going to the collective might make it easier to fall when you

> start due to lack of support of established yogis; however, i dont

> see how staying within a falling structure such as my collective

> will keep me from falling along with it. " (end)

>

>

> So Chuck you have not lost anything, but gained much, by being your

> own master. i can honestly say that you have saved years of

> problems, superstitions and other nonsense by not going to any SY

> collective. So never go there as you are far advanced than them. If

> you ever do you will have to start in Grade One, and they will

> condition you with all their ignorance, problems and pettiness. You

> will regress. Believe me as i am not patronizing you ............. i

> am another example of being blessed to be my own master. So i am

> truly happy for you and others like Violet who have decided to throw

> off the heavy yoke of the collectives and continue on their own. i

> am sure you will advance much faster and further now.

>

> And Chuck, thanks for your faith in Kash, Arwinder and Lalita. i

> also would have been in the dark without them. Now i know, among

> other things, that God Almighty and His messengers exist and that

> those who strive with mind, body and soul to live righteously during

> the Last Judgment will attain eternal life. For that you must

> without question hold on to the Truth, not the subtle system.

>

> warmest regards,

>

>

> jagbir

>

>

> , " Chuck "

> <chuckhennigan@> wrote:

> >

> > Thank you Violet for your kind words. Jagbir and you are doing a

> > tremendous job of bringing truth to the world. You and Jagbir do

> not need to worry if anyone gets offended by what you say regarding

> > Sahaja Yoga organization. There is no such thing as an

> organization, as when people try and organize anything it will

> become corrupt. I do not see myself as in an organization but like

> Shri Mataji says, but one drop in an ocean with all other realized

> souls seeking the truth where there is no ego or anything else of

> the lower self. I want to also say thank you to Jagbir and his

> children because if it were not for Kash, Lalita or Arwinder; I

> would still be in darkness not knowing any truth.

> >

> > Happy Raksha Bhandans to you also Violet and to everyone else,

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Chuck

> >

> > , " Violet "

> > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > To All My Spiritual Brothers,

> > >

> > > In addition to wishing Happy Raksha Bhandans to Jagbir and Dr.

> > Balwinder... i would also like to make some more wishes: -

> > >

> > > Dear Chandra,

> > >

> > > Thank you dear brother for all your kindnesses and your spirit

> of love. You will never be forgotten.

> > >

> > > Dear Chuck,

> > >

> > > May God bless you dear Brother as you grow deeper in the

> knowledge of your Spiritual Mother.

> > >

> > > Dear Kyyan,

> > >

> > > You are a continual inspiration to me. Keep looking up.

> > >

> > >

> > > Love to All,

> > >

> > > From Your Sister, Violet

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> " Not going to the collective might make it easier to fall when you

> start due to lack of support of established yogis; however, i dont

> see how staying within a falling structure such as my collective

> will keep me from falling along with it. " (end)

>

 

Dear Kyyan,

 

It may be more difficult if you leave and are completely on your own, with no

support whatsoever. But you do have friends, support and guidance here.

 

A much better way of overcoming such obstacles lies in proper grounding and

comprehension of the facts. You must come to the conclusive realization that it

is, and will always be, an individual journey within where you meditate on the

Divine Feminine. You also must be thoroughly convinced that the Last Judgment is

taking place and that you are partaking in it on your free will. This will

slowly establish the faith and perseverance required of this long spiritual trek

that will take a lifetime of dedication.

 

You also should realize that there are tens of thousands of cities, towns and

villages without SYs. Chances are - except for large cities like Vancouver,

Toronto, Montreal, New York or Los Angeles - you will not be able to find SYs.

So things would have been very different if you were in Kamploops or Williams

Lake and wanted to join Sahaja Yoga - you would have to do so on your own. So

actually it makes little difference now.

 

The window of opportunity to spread Sahaja Yoga has passed and it is almost

unknown to the vast majority. Any new seeker desirous of taking part will

probably have to do so over the internet and continue on their own. Nowadays

anyone wishing to learn about the Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion just joins

any of the 1001 yoga schools since the presence of Sahaja Yoga centres is very

limited.

 

But i am talking about Shri Mataji's Divine Message. Those reading about it and

responding will strive to continue on their own. This is because, unlike the

Subtle System, we are talking about things very dear to human hearts. And that

is the tragedy that is Sahaja Yoga today - two generations of countless lost

opportunities to attract seekers with the Truth, a prevailing disease that have

severely crippled the organization and brought it down to its knees.

 

And we will wait for the thirsty but stubborn camel to either drink from the

Fountain of Truth, or die from a subtle system seizure.

 

regards,

 

 

jagbir