Jealousy is behind a lot of behaviour that hurts people...

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

i have received an email in which the sender who prefers to remain anonymous,

reveals why SY's believe that there is no link to Jagbir's websites and forums

on the official SY website. i also want you to know that this sender reworded

their email for purposes of confidentiality, before they would give me

permission to post it for them. They just did not want to be victims and have to

endure the by-now-famous " John Noyce Clearing Treatment of Sahaj Love " ... which

is known to clear yogis right out from the Organisation of Sahaja Yoga, against

their own will... just for speaking up and telling the Truth about Shri

Mataji... and also for revealing that the WCASY have an Inquisition Department

(which i'll bet most yogis do not even know about as yet, because they have been

led to believe that the Inquisition Department is actually the White Knights

Department, who are there to protect them)... that is... until they want to find

out for themselves and read this forum with an open mind and heart, and do not

allow themselves to remain indoctrinated by anyone... but to really find out the

truth for themselves... " like a scientist " .

 

Anyway... here is the email: -

 

" There was someone really nice who has been in SY for quite some time that I

spoke to about the forums, and I wanted to know what this person thought of

Jagbir's forum, and about there being no link to it on the official website.

This person told me that Jagbir's children have high vibrations, and that people

are very jealous. I think that there are a lot of people who do appreciate and

understand what Jagbir is doing. Jealousy is behind a lot of behaviour that

hurts people. "

 

As the subject of " jealousy " was raised, i felt that i needed to bring this up

in the open. " Jealousy " in the organisation of Sahaj Yoga is something that Shri

Mataji spoke about too. Jealousy is always a festering sore. To be " spiritually

jealous " has to be worse than to be jealous of someone's house, car, clothes,

etc., because these material things can be bought with money, but spiritual

qualities can never be bought with money.

 

So is that why WCASY members pretend to have assumed the Will of Shri Mataji,

because they cannot buy Her Will with money. Is that why they are so jealous of

Jagbir's children's high vibrations, because they cannot buy high spiritual

vibrations with money?

 

Given that the WCASY have even pretended to assume the actual Will of Shri

Mataji (which we know is spiritually impossible and absolutely preposterous)...

i believe that this anonymous SY must have a very valid point. Perhaps, it " is

jealousy " , after all, which is at the bottom of the reason why there is no link

to Jagbir's websites and forums on the official SY website. Perhaps that is why

they had to pretend to assume the actual " Will " of Shri Mataji, because they

just could not buy high spiritual vibrations with money.

 

Does anyone have any actual evidence that Alan Wherry, John Noyce, Ed Saugstaad

and other fellow WCASY's could actually be jealous, and that is why there is

this campaign to erase any knowledge about these websites and forum? If that is

the case, they must learn the spiritual lesson that Shri Jesus also gave. He

stated that a person must have a pure heart in order to " see God " . A person who

has jealousy in their heart, can in no way have high spiritual vibrations and

therefore they will not " see God " . They can try and assume the Will of Shri

Mataji, but they will never " see God " for themselves, while they have jealousy

in their hearts: -

 

Words of Shri Jesus...

 

" Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God " . (Matthew 5:8)

 

violet

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir,

 

Thank you for your email:

 

/message/6604

 

i have a better understanding of the great responsibility that you

and your wife have, since you have actually explained that it has been revealed

that both Kash and Lalita are angels. You and your wife are blessed indeed, and

so are we, who believe in angels.

 

Your email has evinced a need for some more information in order to understand

things better. As Shri Mataji has said that all Sahaja Yogis are " angels " , what

is the difference between Sahaja Yogis being " angels " , which Shri Mataji has

also called us... and Kash and Lalita being " angels " ? Does this just mean that

they are " completely-born-realised souls " ... or that they are " special angels "

that we would know the identity of... if you told us. (Are there any particular

angels that accompany Shri Mataji, or is it just all the angels?)

 

Also... i realise that angels are known to be the " Messengers of Truth " , who

usually announce the Incarnation of someone, like what happened at Shri Jesus's

Time, when i think it was the Angel Gabriel who announced the fact to the

Blessed Mary, Mother of Jesus that She was to have a " special child " born to

Her.

 

Another interesting thing that i believe that i remember Shri Mataji telling

us... is that " Michaelangelo " (the Cistine Chapel painter) was also an

incarnation of the Archangel Michael. Maybe, you would like to confirm that, but

i am 99.9% sure Shri Mataji stated that this was the case... and that She also

stated that the " angelo " bit at the end of his name means " angel " .

 

So, given the fact that it has been revealed that Kash and Lalita are " angels "

incarnated, this should not be too shocking to spiritually knowledgeable Sahaja

Yogis at this Last Judgment and Resurrection Time, when it has also been

predicted in the Koran, and when Shri Mataji has also stated that She has come

with all the angels together.

 

So... if you care to explain a bit more, i am sure that (not only myself, but

others too) will be only too joyful and happy to hear more about this good news,

and the spiritual knowledge that you say they have given, especially for Her

Devotees. (Of course, those old fuddy-duddy-priestly-class will never be happy

about that. You will wait till the Kingdom of God is established on Earth, and i

am sure they will still be unhappy about the Kingdom that they thought they were

going to rule on Earth).

 

However, there are a lot of us who are open to the Truth of the Spirit, and we

don't give a " fig " if the John Noyces of this world break out into an allergic

reactions. Let them! Let them sweat it out of their system! Let them stew in

their jealousy juices! The more you give them, the more they will stew in it!

Good. If jealousy is what they feel, then that is their own problem. Why let

such narrow-minded religious dominators dominate the mystical beauty of Shri

Mataji's Truth. They have dominated it and detained it for long enough! And...

it looks like they have been trying to even dominate angels now. This is not

surprising at all, of course. It is to be expected of the same ones, who also

declare that they are the Will of Shri Mataji now. It all is very 'horribly

logical' now... exactly what is happening. It is the priestly class having their

last fling for Power on Earth... power over the masses.

 

Alternatively, however, as far as the rank and file SY's are concerned, it may

finally open their eyes and spiritually awaken them to a greater truth than

their 'fenced-in and very externally-focussed' Sahaja Yoga Subtle System

Religion that the priestly class organised so well for them, so all that they

had to do was go: " A, B, C, D, E, F, AND G... AND THEN I WILL BE A GOOD SAHAJA

YOGI! " i am sure it will help SY's in general to liberate them from the Formula

of Sahaj that has been organised and imposed upon them by leaders, especially

when they hear and understand the amazing Revelations that the Shakti has

given... especially for Her Devoted Devotees. According to Shri Mataji: " It is

especially for them! "

 

i now have something of interest to tell you... Jagbir... as well.

Only it is such a vague memory, that i can only give an indication of it. i will

tell what i can vaguely remember: -

 

i recall Shri Mataji telling in person because i heard Her speak it and (i can't

exactly remember the venue), but it was in Sydney, Australia somewhere, and it

was either the third-last or the second-last major visit to Australia. The date

therefore was between 1993-1995-6).

 

Anyway, She told the group of Sahaja Yogis that there were two " special

personalities " who either would be born or were to be born in Montreal, Canada

(i can't remember which it was)... so please bear with me on that account. i

think She said something about them being children at the time, or one was born,

and the other 'yet to be born'. (i just can't remember which it is.)

 

(Btw. the reason i remember the place as being Montreal, Canada, is because i

come from Canada too, and i agreed wholeheartedly that Canada should be so

blessed to have such " special personalities " born there, and i visualised this

in my mind, as being Montreal Canada at the time, and pondered on that, and felt

very happy for the country of my birth... being blessed too.)

 

In any case, according to Shri Mataji, their incarnation (of these two) would be

that they are " special personalities " which would give a great blessing to

mankind because they would confirm Her (Shri Mataji's Incarnation). i will even

go as far as saying that Shri Mataji might have said that they too, were some

kind of a special incarnation, but i am not sure... but i think that was what

Shri Mataji was saying. (It seemed like that to " me " , anyway, but i could have

misunderstood Her; it could be that by saying " special personality, i only

understood it " myself " as some kind of special incarnation).

 

She also said that they were yet to grow up and that we would not really hear

much about them until they were older. She also said something about them not

actually being in the Organisation of Sahaja Yoga itself, but they would be

doing a separate job... a job about giving confirmation of Her Incarnation. Shri

Mataji said that She only needed to mention this, and that there was nothing

that we needed to do about that information, but that we would know about them

at a later time.

 

(Jagbir this memory came back because you revealed that your children are

" angels " according to the Revelations of the Shakti. That triggered this memory,

which was there somewhere in the background since 1993-1996) but which i had

hidden.

 

What Shri Mataji told was most enigmatic for me. For a start, children who had

yet to grow up; then people who were not even in the Organisation of SY; then

confirming that Shri Mataji is an Incarnation...what is that all about? There

were too many unknown factors, plus the fact that Shri Mataji was so casual

about it, and said it was not necessary to do anything about that; that time

would reveal everything.

 

Can you blame me for being so vague, then, with all these what i would call

quite 'wishy-washy' type of information, which seemed to have little relevance

for me at the time... and then also being told that we do not need to have any

concern about it. No wonder my memory is vague, and not only that, " special

personalities " is not a thing Shri Mataji talked about really. She said everyone

was special, so that was another reason, i never remembered this till you

mentioned the word about Kash and Lalita being " angels " . That obviously

triggered this " special personalities " memory that Shri Mataji told that day. i

am sure most SY's won't remember either, because these seemed like such petty

details at that time, and really meant very little to us Sahaja Yogis. There was

no understanding by myself also. Who would understand such a thing?!)

 

So... i thought i would tell you this, then... of what i have remembered about

Shri Mataji having told us. i can tell you i would never have remembered this,

if you had not told the " angel " word.

 

warmest regards,

 

violet

 

 

 

 

,

" Violet " <violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> i have received an email in which the sender who prefers to remain

anonymous, reveals why SY's believe that there is no link to Jagbir's

websites and forums on the official SY website. i also want you to

know that this sender reworded their email for purposes of

confidentiality, before they would give me permission to post it for

them. They just did not want to be victims and have to endure the by-

now-famous " John Noyce Clearing Treatment of Sahaj Love " ... which is

known to clear yogis right out from the Organisation of Sahaja Yoga,

against their own will... just for speaking up and telling the Truth

about Shri Mataji... and also for revealing that the WCASY have an

Inquisition Department (which i'll bet most yogis do not even know

about as yet, because they have been led to believe that the

Inquisition Department is actually the White Knights Department, who

are there to protect them)... that is... until they want to find out

for themselves and read this forum with an open mind and heart, and

do not allow themselves to remain indoctrinated by anyone... but to

really find out the truth for themselves... " like a scientist " .

>

> Anyway... here is the email: -

>

> " There was someone really nice who has been in SY for quite some

time that I spoke to about the forums, and I wanted to know what this

person thought of Jagbir's forum, and about there being no link to it

on the official website. This person told me that Jagbir's children

have high vibrations, and that people are very jealous. I think that

there are a lot of people who do appreciate and understand what

Jagbir is doing. Jealousy is behind a lot of behaviour that hurts

people. "

>

> As the subject of " jealousy " was raised, i felt that i needed to

bring this up in the open. " Jealousy " in the organisation of Sahaj

Yoga is something that Shri Mataji spoke about too. Jealousy is

always a festering sore. To be " spiritually jealous " has to be worse

than to be jealous of someone's house, car, clothes, etc., because

these material things can be bought with money, but spiritual

qualities can never be bought with money.

>

> So is that why WCASY members pretend to have assumed the Will of

Shri Mataji, because they cannot buy Her Will with money. Is that why

they are so jealous of Jagbir's children's high vibrations, because

they cannot buy high spiritual vibrations with money?

>

> Given that the WCASY have even pretended to assume the actual Will

of Shri Mataji (which we know is spiritually impossible and

absolutely preposterous)... i believe that this anonymous SY must

have a very valid point. Perhaps, it " is jealousy " , after all, which

is at the bottom of the reason why there is no link to Jagbir's

websites and forums on the official SY website. Perhaps that is why

they had to pretend to assume the actual " Will " of Shri Mataji,

because they just could not buy high spiritual vibrations with money.

>

> Does anyone have any actual evidence that Alan Wherry, John Noyce,

Ed Saugstaad and other fellow WCASY's could actually be jealous, and

that is why there is this campaign to erase any knowledge about these

websites and forum? If that is the case, they must learn the

spiritual lesson that Shri Jesus also gave. He stated that a person

must have a pure heart in order to " see God " . A person who has

jealousy in their heart, can in no way have high spiritual vibrations

and therefore they will not " see God " . They can try and assume the

Will of Shri Mataji, but they will never " see God " for themselves,

while they have jealousy in their hearts: -

>

> Words of Shri Jesus...

>

> " Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God " . (Matthew

5:8)

>

> violet

>

[Guest guest]

Thats True

Violet <violet.tubb Sent: Sunday, 20 August, 2006 11:11:42 PM "Jealousy is behind a lot of behaviour that hurts people"...

 

Dear All,i have received an email in which the sender who prefers to remain anonymous, reveals why SY's believe that there is no link to Jagbir's websites and forums on the official SY website. i also want you to know that this sender reworded their email for purposes of confidentiality, before they would give me permission to post it for them. They just did not want to be victims and have to endure the by-now-famous "John Noyce Clearing Treatment of Sahaj Love" ... which is known to clear yogis right out from the Organisation of Sahaja Yoga, against their own will... just for speaking up and telling the Truth about Shri Mataji... and also for revealing that the WCASY have an Inquisition Department (which i'll bet most yogis do not even know about as yet, because they have been led to believe that the Inquisition Department is actually the White Knights Department, who are there to protect them)... that is... until they want to find out for themselves and read

this forum with an open mind and heart, and do not allow themselves to remain indoctrinated by anyone... but to really find out the truth for themselves.. . "like a scientist". Anyway... here is the email: -"There was someone really nice who has been in SY for quite some time that I spoke to about the forums, and I wanted to know what this person thought of Jagbir's forum, and about there being no link to it on the official website. This person told me that Jagbir's children have high vibrations, and that people are very jealous. I think that there are a lot of people who do appreciate and understand what Jagbir is doing. Jealousy is behind a lot of behaviour that hurts people."As the subject of "jealousy" was raised, i felt that i needed to bring this up in the open. "Jealousy" in the organisation of Sahaj Yoga is something that Shri Mataji spoke about too. Jealousy is always a festering sore. To be "spiritually jealous" has to be worse than to be

jealous of someone's house, car, clothes, etc., because these material things can be bought with money, but spiritual qualities can never be bought with money.So is that why WCASY members pretend to have assumed the Will of Shri Mataji, because they cannot buy Her Will with money. Is that why they are so jealous of Jagbir's children's high vibrations, because they cannot buy high spiritual vibrations with money?Given that the WCASY have even pretended to assume the actual Will of Shri Mataji (which we know is spiritually impossible and absolutely preposterous) ... i believe that this anonymous SY must have a very valid point. Perhaps, it "is jealousy", after all, which is at the bottom of the reason why there is no link to Jagbir's websites and forums on the official SY website. Perhaps that is why they had to pretend to assume the actual "Will" of Shri Mataji, because they just could not buy high spiritual vibrations with money.Does anyone have any

actual evidence that Alan Wherry, John Noyce, Ed Saugstaad and other fellow WCASY's could actually be jealous, and that is why there is this campaign to erase any knowledge about these websites and forum? If that is the case, they must learn the spiritual lesson that Shri Jesus also gave. He stated that a person must have a pure heart in order to "see God". A person who has jealousy in their heart, can in no way have high spiritual vibrations and therefore they will not "see God". They can try and assume the Will of Shri Mataji, but they will never "see God" for themselves, while they have jealousy in their hearts: -Words of Shri Jesus..."Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God". (Matthew 5:8)violet

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir,

 

There is one more thing that i need to say. At that time, any thing that would

promote the Incarnation of the Adi Shakti was welcomed. The rank and file assent

was there that it was a good thing, even if this was not voiced verbally, but

non-verbally (but i could feel this feeling of assent)... that confirmation of

the Incarnation of the Adi Shakti was going to come from outside of the

Organisation. It was like this big bonus, that gave confidence... because...

imagine... the Advent of the Shakti was so great, that special people... EVEN

OUTSIDE OF THE ORGANISATION OF SAHAJA YOGA, were going to be a witness to that

on behalf of Sahaja Yogis themselves!

 

Of course... nobody knew then (at least i don't think anybody knew then) what

the nature of this confirmation of the Incarnation was going to be... such as

children being given information never given to human beings before. We were

" absolutely clueless " on that count. We had no idea what was to come, and the

jealousy of it all that was to come on account of exactly that... from the

leaders of the Organisation of Sahaja Yoga.

 

The other thing... i need to mention is that... because Shri Mataji mentioned

" children " , it was assumed by myself (and i imagine, others too) that naturally

they would have to grow up and become adults, before they could commence that

task of confirming the Adi Shakti's Incarnation. Nobody would have dreamed that

it would be these " special personalities " doing this... " while they were yet

children " . It just seemed the logical thing... the " norm " , i guess you could

say. In other words... a person first grows up into an adult... and then does

their spiritual work. Well, that is how it usually works!

 

For example, Jesus grew up first and became a man, before he did His spiritual

work. Shri Mataji married and had a family, and when Her children grew up...

then... She started Her spiritual work. So... i thought (and probably others,

too)... that we were looking at least 30 years into the future, for this to come

to pass. Who would have thought that this confirmation would come while the

persons were children!!! (Which also accounts for something put into

'the-too-hard-basket' at the back of the brain by me... which would happen way

into my future).

 

Since yesterday, i have from time to time had this process of memory recall

happening, where i am getting flashbacks of Shri Mataji saying this at Sydney

Airport. My attention has been on it. The memory comes as a picture in my mind,

and i see Her saying this at Sydney Airport. It keeps coming back as " Sydney

Airport " .

 

(i am still not sure, but i am feeling inclined that She said this at the same

occasion where She also said that if SY's did not get Her Divine Message out,

that it would be done from outside the organisation.) It was one of the two

occasions where i saw and heard Her. i am inclined to believe it was the first

time i heard Her, which is the same occasion where She gave the Warning Message

about the Divine Message being told (i.e. if the job was not done by yogis in

the organisation, it would be done from outside the organisation).

 

If SM did say these two bits of information on the same occasion, She never did

say that the two were related... and they were definitely not given at the very

same time in which She was telling us things. (For example, the first item was

said first... about " being up to telling the Divine Message to the world; that

was said first. Then later... and completely separate to that... there was

mention of " special personalities " ... so i (nor anyone else) would have been

able to connect the two. Shri Mataji never gave any indication that these two

were in any way related. It can all be seen now... that these were all pieces of

a 'mystical puzzle' that would fit together one day. (Sometimes Shri Mataji can

be the Real Mahamaya that She has said all along She is!...

 

It is like a mother telling a child only what she wants that child to know, for

a reason... best known to herself. Sometimes, i wonder why She did not " just

say " what was going to happen. i guess if She told Sahaja Yogis more information

about these " special personalities " Sahaja Yogis might have wanted to worship

them or something like that... which was probably not wanted or needed or

desired. Or... alternatively, there might have been too much attention on

them... " on children " ... which would not have been good for them, " being

children " .

 

And then, of course... there was still this window of opportunity that Sahaja

Yogis were expected to... and were being given the opportunity to... fully

promote Her Divine Message to the world-at-large... to let all the humanity know

that the Christian Comforter had come, etc. etc. etc.... instead of promoting a

Subtle System Religion. i guess everything had to work out in its Time. " Timing "

is of the essence.

 

i hope this helps,

 

violet

 

 

,

" Violet " <violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> Thank you for your email:

>

> /message/6604

>

> i have a better understanding of the great responsibility that you

> and your wife have, since you have actually explained that it has

been revealed that both Kash and Lalita are angels. You and your wife

are blessed indeed, and so are we, who believe in angels.

>

> Your email has evinced a need for some more information in order to

understand things better. As Shri Mataji has said that all Sahaja

Yogis are " angels " , what is the difference between Sahaja Yogis being

" angels " , which Shri Mataji has also called us... and Kash and Lalita

being " angels " ? Does this just mean that they are " completely-born-

realised souls " ... or that they are " special angels " that we would

know the identity of... if you told us. (Are there any particular

angels that accompany Shri Mataji, or is it just all the angels?)

>

> Also... i realise that angels are known to be the " Messengers of

Truth " , who usually announce the Incarnation of someone, like what

happened at Shri Jesus's Time, when i think it was the Angel Gabriel

who announced the fact to the Blessed Mary, Mother of Jesus that She

was to have a " special child " born to Her.

>

> Another interesting thing that i believe that i remember Shri

Mataji telling us... is that " Michaelangelo " (the Cistine Chapel

painter) was also an incarnation of the Archangel Michael. Maybe, you

would like to confirm that, but i am 99.9% sure Shri Mataji stated

that this was the case... and that She also stated that the " angelo "

bit at the end of his name means " angel " .

>

> So, given the fact that it has been revealed that Kash and Lalita

are " angels " incarnated, this should not be too shocking to

spiritually knowledgeable Sahaja Yogis at this Last Judgment and

Resurrection Time, when it has also been predicted in the Koran, and

when Shri Mataji has also stated that She has come with all the

angels together.

>

> So... if you care to explain a bit more, i am sure that (not only

myself, but others too) will be only too joyful and happy to hear

more about this good news, and the spiritual knowledge that you say

they have given, especially for Her Devotees. (Of course, those old

fuddy-duddy-priestly-class will never be happy about that. You will

wait till the Kingdom of God is established on Earth, and i am sure

they will still be unhappy about the Kingdom that they thought they

were going to rule on Earth).

>

> However, there are a lot of us who are open to the Truth of the

Spirit, and we don't give a " fig " if the John Noyces of this world

break out into an allergic reactions. Let them! Let them sweat it out

of their system! Let them stew in their jealousy juices! The more you

give them, the more they will stew in it! Good. If jealousy is what

they feel, then that is their own problem. Why let such narrow-minded

religious dominators dominate the mystical beauty of Shri Mataji's

Truth. They have dominated it and detained it for long enough! And...

it looks like they have been trying to even dominate angels now. This

is not surprising at all, of course. It is to be expected of the same

ones, who also declare that they are the Will of Shri Mataji now. It

all is very 'horribly logical' now... exactly what is happening. It

is the priestly class having their last fling for Power on Earth...

power over the masses.

>

> Alternatively, however, as far as the rank and file SY's are

concerned, it may finally open their eyes and spiritually awaken them

to a greater truth than their 'fenced-in and very externally-

focussed' Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion that the priestly class

organised so well for them, so all that they had to do was go: " A, B,

C, D, E, F, AND G... AND THEN I WILL BE A GOOD SAHAJA YOGI! " i am

sure it will help SY's in general to liberate them from the Formula

of Sahaj that has been organised and imposed upon them by leaders,

especially when they hear and understand the amazing Revelations that

the Shakti has given... especially for Her Devoted Devotees.

According to Shri Mataji: " It is especially for them! "

>

> i now have something of interest to tell you... Jagbir... as well.

> Only it is such a vague memory, that i can only give an indication

of it. i will tell what i can vaguely remember: -

>

> i recall Shri Mataji telling in person because i heard Her speak it

and (i can't exactly remember the venue), but it was in Sydney,

Australia somewhere, and it was either the third-last or the second-

last major visit to Australia. The date therefore was between 1993-

1995-6).

>

> Anyway, She told the group of Sahaja Yogis that there were two

" special personalities " who either would be born or were to be born

in Montreal, Canada (i can't remember which it was)... so please bear

with me on that account. i think She said something about them being

children at the time, or one was born, and the other 'yet to be

born'. (i just can't remember which it is.)

>

> (Btw. the reason i remember the place as being Montreal, Canada, is

because i come from Canada too, and i agreed wholeheartedly that

Canada should be so blessed to have such " special personalities " born

there, and i visualised this in my mind, as being Montreal Canada at

the time, and pondered on that, and felt very happy for the country

of my birth... being blessed too.)

>

> In any case, according to Shri Mataji, their incarnation (of these

two) would be that they are " special personalities " which would give

a great blessing to mankind because they would confirm Her (Shri

Mataji's Incarnation). i will even go as far as saying that Shri

Mataji might have said that they too, were some kind of a special

incarnation, but i am not sure... but i think that was what Shri

Mataji was saying. (It seemed like that to " me " , anyway, but i could

have misunderstood Her; it could be that by saying " special

personality, i only understood it " myself " as some kind of special

incarnation).

>

> She also said that they were yet to grow up and that we would not

really hear much about them until they were older. She also said

something about them not actually being in the Organisation of Sahaja

Yoga itself, but they would be doing a separate job... a job about

giving confirmation of Her Incarnation. Shri Mataji said that She

only needed to mention this, and that there was nothing that we

needed to do about that information, but that we would know about

them at a later time.

>

> (Jagbir this memory came back because you revealed that your

children are " angels " according to the Revelations of the Shakti.

That triggered this memory, which was there somewhere in the

background since 1993-1996) but which i had hidden.

>

> What Shri Mataji told was most enigmatic for me. For a start,

children who had yet to grow up; then people who were not even in the

Organisation of SY; then confirming that Shri Mataji is an

Incarnation...what is that all about? There were too many unknown

factors, plus the fact that Shri Mataji was so casual about it, and

said it was not necessary to do anything about that; that time would

reveal everything.

>

> Can you blame me for being so vague, then, with all these what i

would call quite 'wishy-washy' type of information, which seemed to

have little relevance for me at the time... and then also being told

that we do not need to have any concern about it. No wonder my memory

is vague, and not only that, " special personalities " is not a thing

Shri Mataji talked about really. She said everyone was special, so

that was another reason, i never remembered this till you mentioned

the word about Kash and Lalita being " angels " . That obviously

triggered this " special personalities " memory that Shri Mataji told

that day. i am sure most SY's won't remember either, because these

seemed like such petty details at that time, and really meant very

little to us Sahaja Yogis. There was no understanding by myself also.

Who would understand such a thing?!)

>

> So... i thought i would tell you this, then... of what i have

remembered about Shri Mataji having told us. i can tell you i would

never have remembered this, if you had not told the " angel " word.

>

> warmest regards,

>

> violet

>

>

>

>

> ,

> " Violet " <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > i have received an email in which the sender who prefers to remain

> anonymous, reveals why SY's believe that there is no link to

Jagbir's

> websites and forums on the official SY website. i also want you to

> know that this sender reworded their email for purposes of

> confidentiality, before they would give me permission to post it for

> them. They just did not want to be victims and have to endure the

by-

> now-famous " John Noyce Clearing Treatment of Sahaj Love " ... which

is

> known to clear yogis right out from the Organisation of Sahaja Yoga,

> against their own will... just for speaking up and telling the Truth

> about Shri Mataji... and also for revealing that the WCASY have an

> Inquisition Department (which i'll bet most yogis do not even know

> about as yet, because they have been led to believe that the

> Inquisition Department is actually the White Knights Department, who

> are there to protect them)... that is... until they want to find out

> for themselves and read this forum with an open mind and heart, and

> do not allow themselves to remain indoctrinated by anyone... but to

> really find out the truth for themselves... " like a scientist " .

> >

> > Anyway... here is the email: -

> >

> > " There was someone really nice who has been in SY for quite some

> time that I spoke to about the forums, and I wanted to know what

this

> person thought of Jagbir's forum, and about there being no link to

it

> on the official website. This person told me that Jagbir's children

> have high vibrations, and that people are very jealous. I think that

> there are a lot of people who do appreciate and understand what

> Jagbir is doing. Jealousy is behind a lot of behaviour that hurts

> people. "

> >

> > As the subject of " jealousy " was raised, i felt that i needed to

> bring this up in the open. " Jealousy " in the organisation of Sahaj

> Yoga is something that Shri Mataji spoke about too. Jealousy is

> always a festering sore. To be " spiritually jealous " has to be worse

> than to be jealous of someone's house, car, clothes, etc., because

> these material things can be bought with money, but spiritual

> qualities can never be bought with money.

> >

> > So is that why WCASY members pretend to have assumed the Will of

> Shri Mataji, because they cannot buy Her Will with money. Is that

why

> they are so jealous of Jagbir's children's high vibrations, because

> they cannot buy high spiritual vibrations with money?

> >

> > Given that the WCASY have even pretended to assume the actual Will

> of Shri Mataji (which we know is spiritually impossible and

> absolutely preposterous)... i believe that this anonymous SY must

> have a very valid point. Perhaps, it " is jealousy " , after all, which

> is at the bottom of the reason why there is no link to Jagbir's

> websites and forums on the official SY website. Perhaps that is why

> they had to pretend to assume the actual " Will " of Shri Mataji,

> because they just could not buy high spiritual vibrations with

money.

> >

> > Does anyone have any actual evidence that Alan Wherry, John Noyce,

> Ed Saugstaad and other fellow WCASY's could actually be jealous, and

> that is why there is this campaign to erase any knowledge about

these

> websites and forum? If that is the case, they must learn the

> spiritual lesson that Shri Jesus also gave. He stated that a person

> must have a pure heart in order to " see God " . A person who has

> jealousy in their heart, can in no way have high spiritual

vibrations

> and therefore they will not " see God " . They can try and assume the

> Will of Shri Mataji, but they will never " see God " for themselves,

> while they have jealousy in their hearts: -

> >

> > Words of Shri Jesus...

> >

> > " Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God " . (Matthew

> 5:8)

> >

> > violet

> >

>