Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 , " Saarthak Vats " <saarthakvats wrote: > > Jai Shri Mataji Everyone. > > Through this mail I wanted to draw your attention towards one > thing : The Sahaj Material being circulated through emails. > > There are many material which we pass on to fellow Sahaj Yogis, > which we recieve from someone else (thorugh emails), but before > doing that checking the vibrations of the material is not our > general habit... > > I am writing this to particulary draw your attention towards a > treatment technique which is very much circulating nowadays > through emails, which is : " KARMA TREATMENT " . I am attaching the > document which describes the technique of this treatment. The > truth is that this kind of treatment DOES NOT EXIST !! It has > NEVER been DESCRIBED BY SHRIMATAJI !! > > This was VALIDATED by Dr. Madhur Rai, the Incharge of Washi > Hospital. My mother recently came back from a 10 day stay at > Washi. Before going to Washi she was also doing this treatment > (which I passed it to her in my ignorance because I also recieved > through email ). After reaching there when she met Dr. Rai and > told her that she was doing this treatment, Dr. Rai CLEARLY said > that THERE IS NO SUCH TREATMENT !!! Further Dr. Rai said that > there are many such materials on the internet being circulated > which are not mentioned by Shri Mataji... > > If you think logically, when we say that " I am a Spirit " & > " Mother you are the doer and the enjoyer " . This means that we > realise that we are Spirit and Mother does everything, and for a > Spirit there are no Karmas. Spirit is Nirmal... > Dear All, For years i have been trying to bring sanity to the treatment and ritual obsessed SYs, warning that many treatments are just conjectured innovations. The ceaseless collective chatter of catches and cures is the virus that has spread this infectious disease. Now it is an epidemic and probably mutated beyond hope of any cure. But there is absolutely no need to do any treatment if you only allow the Mother Kundalini to heal, using just the attention of your thoughtless state to rid yourself of any problem - ANY PROBLEM! This Karma Treatment is just the tip of the iceberg. So what will save the sanity of subtle system SYs? ............. Nothing! You can only save your own by seeing no treatment, hearing no treatment, speaking no treatment, following no treatment and giving no treatment. Let the subtle system SYs mutilate, brutalize and rape all Her teachings to their heart's content. Let them destroy themselves and the organization with all this nonsense that repels normal humans. Let them turn themselves into constantly sick, catching and almost mad treatment fanatics that will starve their collectives and ashrams of sane seekers. All you need to do is just meditate on the Adi Shati within. Just be patient and witness the insanity that grips the subtle system fanatics. Let Shri Mataji destroy all the negativity that prevents Her Divine Message from reaching humanity. One day this will be all over and we will have normal, ritual-free seekers meditating on the Adi Shakti within. They will do so solely to take part in the Last Judgment and Resurrection. They will be their own masters because we will make sure they will have all the knowledge and help to do so right from the beginning! That process has already been put into motion with this forum and archives. Jai Shri Ganapathi, jagbir http://www.adishakti.org/forum/archives.htm --------- Karma Treatments It is recommended to do the Three-Candle-Treatment while doing the Karma Treatment: 1. Candle behind the left Swadisthana 2. Candle behind the Backagnya 3. Candle in front of the left hand Sit down in front of Mother´s picture and put another picture behind the candle at the Backagnya. (protocol: do Namaskar to the picture, pull your ears, because your turning your back to Shri Mataji.) With the attention in the Sahasrara and the r. hand at the Backagnya say the Maha Ganesha Mantra 21 times. To avoid the counting one can also go with the attention 3 times through all the 7 chakras. After that, hit your Backagnya with the right hand 108 times. Put all the 5 fingertips of your right hand together and press them hard at the point between the neck and the head where the spine starts (right underneath the Backagnya, called the UPPERMOOLADHARA): first: Om Twamewa Sakshat Shri Ekadesha Rudra Sakshat all spells and curses, the usage of negative symbols, magic and magic rituals, false mantras etc., which were used by my grandparents, relatives, parents and siblings (7 generations back) and that are weighing heavily on my karma Mardini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmal Devi Namoh Namah Om Twamewa Sakshat Shri Ekadesha Rudra Sakshat all hatred, desire for revenge and unjust actions of siblings, relatives, parents and grandparents ( 7 generations back), that are weighing heavily on my karma Mardini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah Om Twamewa Sakshat Shri Ekadesha Rudra Sakshat all initiation rituals of christian churches or false gurus like baptism etc., all negative symbols and ceremonies with negative effect, that in this or in previous lives my grandparents, parents, siblings and relatives participated in (7 generations back) and that are therefore weighing heavily on my karma. Mardini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah Om Twamewa Sakshat Shri Ekadesha Rudra Sakshat aorll experiences of shock, traumas and disappointment that my siblings, parents, relatives and grandparents experienced due to persecution, humiliation, torture, violence or other terrible incidents and that are therefore weighing heavily on my karma. Mardini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmal Devi Namoh Namah Om Twamewa Sakshat Shri Durga Sakshat Tarakasura Mardini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah ( Nazi negativity, aggressiveness) Om Twamewa Sakshat Shri Durga Sakshat Nishumba Shumba Mardini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah (false christian churches) Om Twamewa Sakshat Shri Durga Sakshat Bandhasura Mardini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah (attachments, ties) Om Twamewa Sakshat Shri Durga Sakshat Mahisasura Mardini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devia Namoh Namah (lethargy) 4 times the following affirmations: (don´t forget all miscarriages and all children, that died early) MOTHER, please forgive my ancestors everything that they did wrong knowingly or unknowingly against the Divine; MOTHER, please forgive all my greatgrandmothers on my mother´s side 7 generations back everything that they have done wrong knowingly or unknowingly against the Divine and set their souls free. MOTHER, please forgive all my greatgrandfathers on my mother´s side 7 generations back everything that they have done wrong knowingly or unknowingly against the Divine and set their souls free. MOTHER, please forgive all my greatgrandmothers on my father´s side 7 generations back everything that they have done wrong knowingly or unknowingly against the Divine and set their souls free. MOTHER, please forgive all my greatgrandfathers on my mother´s side 7 generations back everything that they have done wrong knowingly or unknowingly against the Divine and set their souls free. MOTHER, please forgive my grandfather........., grandmother...............(name) (also siblings of grandfather, grandmother) ….. MOTHER, please forgive my father (name) …. MOTHER, please forgive my mother……. MOTHER, please forgive my sister/ brother (name) ........... MOTHER, please forgive my spouse…….. MOTHER, please forgive my children (name)………. MOTHER, please forgive all my relatives ………. (with the relatives always name the uncles and aunts, especially those who died early (war, accident, suicide etc.) or where there have been close bonds, or bad incidents happening. Also a cousin of the father, who was a priest, could cause a migraine. This karma effects our consciousness very intensely. Don´t forget the godfather or godmother of church rituals like baptism or confirmation etc. MOTHER, please forgive all people in my home..........(town, state, country) (you can add specific incidents in your own country´s history like wars, mass murders, persecution, holocaust, etc… and name that also) MOTHER, please forgive all Europeans what they have done with their imperialistic conquests all over the world.... MOTHER, please forgive me and wash out everything, which was written as my karma in the heavens and give me the power to forgive. Stay in meditation for some time. It can be very effective to do this treatment for a few days in a row. 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Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 /message/6566 Dear Sambhav, i read the site and quote an article by Kevin Anslow, mirroring it as the cause of the sad state of Sahaja Yoga today. " She tried things out with people -Shree Mataji Nirmala Devi- She used to give me little presents sometimes. It's so fragmentary because it's a long, long time ago. I tend to find these memories sort of suddenly come to me, but then they vanish again. I remember in Gower Street Shri Mataji used to - well, my father says it was somewhere else - well, the older Sahaja Yogis at the time were a collection of ex-hippies and I was younger and clearer. They had had a bit of a wild time and it had sort of left its imprint on their chakras. Shri Mataji sometimes used to use me to sort of try things out or to clear things out. She discovered the neck crick on me. This is a form of treatment which no longer exists, I think because some of the people got rather damaged necks when they did it to each other. But Shri Mataji had me sitting down and said, " I've discovered this great new treatment for the Vishuddhi. " And She got my head and went " huwhump! " And it went " Click! " And I screamed and was in absolute outrage, but She found it very amusing. There was this sense that Sahaja Yoga was sort of experimental. She tried things out with people. She would get them to do things and see if it worked or not. I mean, I think it sort of goes on, on a larger scale, as well today. " Kevin Anslow These 70s experiments on drug-damaged ex-hippies to stabilize and focus their attention on the subtle have today fossilized the mindset and paralyzed the movement to deal with the modern world. Two lost generations have stripped, raped and mutilated Her core teachings beyond recognition, replacing it with the SYSSR. The WCASY is the Frankenstien monster devoid of the treasured spiritual qualities - truth, love, human conscience and humility. Only those who have been their victims or learnt about their editing out Her Divine Message can expose these Will-hijackers. Now only by being outside the organization can you keep Shri Mataji's core teachings from being corrupted, and begin the process of declaring it to all seekers. This is " the knowledge shree mataji imparted and wanted people to learn (that) is not at all practiced by most of the SY's " . We have about seven years to spread it. So have faith that She will eventually triumph despite all the subtle system stagnation and extreme poverty of seekers in SY collectives. The thirsty stubborn camel must either drink from the Fountain of Truth or die of a subtle system seizure. Time is on our side. Jai Shri Mataji, jagbir , Sambhav <maddy7_maddy7 wrote: > > Well in the the last few years I have seen things changing a lot in sahaj Yoga. Like as we can see the creation of the so called world council ( http://www.sahajayoga.org/worldcouncil/default.asp ) consisting of 34 world leaders. I have no faith in this group as now I see Shree Mataji's Nirmal Yoga seperate to that of Sahaja Yoga. The knowledge shree mataji imparted and wanted people to learn is not at all practiced by most of the SY's. I was reading a website www.shrimataji.co.nr which has some very nice memories shared by sahajayogies. In some articles we can read how shree mataji taught newcommers in a simple room, gave advice on meditaton on chakras, and also tells that all the treatements, bandhan, aarti etc. that we do today were actually invented while mother experimented with vibrations. > But today the truth is just not there. No discussion on the actual core of sahaja Yoga. It is covered by things like WSASY, constant creation of big centers and than donations etc. > I have no faith left in Sahaja Yoga (as an Organisation). > Because so many leaders came and have left SY and I don't know how long these may stay. I don't know if I would donate money or marry in SY after seeing the current situation. > /message/6566 , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: > > , " Saarthak Vats " > <saarthakvats@> wrote: > > > > Jai Shri Mataji Everyone. > > > > Through this mail I wanted to draw your attention towards one > > thing : The Sahaj Material being circulated through emails. > > > > There are many material which we pass on to fellow Sahaj Yogis, > > which we recieve from someone else (thorugh emails), but before > > doing that checking the vibrations of the material is not our > > general habit... > > > > I am writing this to particulary draw your attention towards a > > treatment technique which is very much circulating nowadays > > through emails, which is : " KARMA TREATMENT " . I am attaching the > > document which describes the technique of this treatment. The > > truth is that this kind of treatment DOES NOT EXIST !! It has > > NEVER been DESCRIBED BY SHRIMATAJI !! > > > > This was VALIDATED by Dr. Madhur Rai, the Incharge of Washi > > Hospital. My mother recently came back from a 10 day stay at > > Washi. Before going to Washi she was also doing this treatment > > (which I passed it to her in my ignorance because I also recieved > > through email ). After reaching there when she met Dr. Rai and > > told her that she was doing this treatment, Dr. Rai CLEARLY said > > that THERE IS NO SUCH TREATMENT !!! Further Dr. Rai said that > > there are many such materials on the internet being circulated > > which are not mentioned by Shri Mataji... > > > > If you think logically, when we say that " I am a Spirit " & > > " Mother you are the doer and the enjoyer " . This means that we > > realise that we are Spirit and Mother does everything, and for a > > Spirit there are no Karmas. Spirit is Nirmal... > > > > Dear All, > > For years i have been trying to bring sanity to the treatment and > ritual obsessed SYs, warning that many treatments are just > conjectured innovations. The ceaseless collective chatter of catches > and cures is the virus that has spread this infectious disease. Now > it is an epidemic and probably mutated beyond hope of any cure. > > But there is absolutely no need to do any treatment if you only > allow the Mother Kundalini to heal, using just the attention of your > thoughtless state to rid yourself of any problem - ANY PROBLEM! > > This Karma Treatment is just the tip of the iceberg. So what will > save the sanity of subtle system SYs? ............. Nothing! You > can only save your own by seeing no treatment, hearing no treatment, > speaking no treatment, following no treatment and giving no > treatment. Let the subtle system SYs mutilate, brutalize and rape > all Her teachings to their heart's content. Let them destroy > themselves and the organization with all this nonsense that repels > normal humans. Let them turn themselves into constantly sick, > catching and almost mad treatment fanatics that will starve their > collectives and ashrams of sane seekers. > > All you need to do is just meditate on the Adi Shati within. Just be > patient and witness the insanity that grips the subtle system > fanatics. Let Shri Mataji destroy all the negativity that prevents > Her Divine Message from reaching humanity. One day this will be all > over and we will have normal, ritual-free seekers meditating on the > Adi Shakti within. They will do so solely to take part in the Last > Judgment and Resurrection. They will be their own masters because we > will make sure they will have all the knowledge and help to do so > right from the beginning! That process has already been put into > motion with this forum and archives. > > Jai Shri Ganapathi, > > > jagbir > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/archives.htm > > > --------- > > Karma Treatments > > It is recommended to do the Three-Candle-Treatment while doing the > Karma Treatment: > > 1. Candle behind the left Swadisthana > > 2. Candle behind the Backagnya > > 3. Candle in front of the left hand > > > Sit down in front of Mother´s picture and put another picture behind > the candle at the Backagnya. (protocol: do Namaskar to the picture, > pull your ears, because your turning your back to Shri Mataji.) > > With the attention in the Sahasrara and the r. hand at the Backagnya > say the Maha Ganesha Mantra 21 times. > > To avoid the counting one can also go with the attention 3 times > through all the 7 chakras. > > After that, hit your Backagnya with the right hand 108 times. > > Put all the 5 fingertips of your right hand together and press them > hard at the point between the neck and the head where the spine > starts (right underneath the Backagnya, called the UPPERMOOLADHARA): > > > first: > > Om Twamewa Sakshat Shri Ekadesha Rudra Sakshat > > all spells and curses, the usage of negative symbols, magic and > magic rituals, false mantras etc., which were used by my > grandparents, relatives, parents and siblings (7 generations back) > and that are weighing heavily on my karma > > Mardini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmal Devi Namoh Namah > > > > Om Twamewa Sakshat Shri Ekadesha Rudra Sakshat > > all hatred, desire for revenge and unjust actions of siblings, > relatives, parents and grandparents ( 7 generations back), that are > weighing heavily on my karma > > Mardini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah > > > > Om Twamewa Sakshat Shri Ekadesha Rudra Sakshat > > all initiation rituals of christian churches or false gurus like > baptism etc., all negative symbols and ceremonies with negative > effect, that in this or in previous lives my grandparents, parents, > siblings and relatives participated in (7 generations back) and that > are therefore weighing heavily on my karma. > > Mardini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah > > > > Om Twamewa Sakshat Shri Ekadesha Rudra Sakshat > > aorll experiences of shock, traumas and disappointment that my > siblings, parents, relatives and grandparents experienced due to > persecution, humiliation, torture, violence or other terrible > incidents and that are therefore weighing heavily on my karma. > > Mardini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmal Devi Namoh Namah > > > > Om Twamewa Sakshat Shri Durga Sakshat > > Tarakasura Mardini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi > Namoh Namah > > ( Nazi negativity, aggressiveness) > > Om Twamewa Sakshat Shri Durga Sakshat > > Nishumba Shumba Mardini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala > Devi Namoh Namah > > (false christian churches) > > Om Twamewa Sakshat Shri Durga Sakshat > > Bandhasura Mardini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi > Namoh Namah > > (attachments, ties) > > Om Twamewa Sakshat Shri Durga Sakshat > > Mahisasura Mardini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devia > Namoh Namah > > (lethargy) > > > 4 times the following affirmations: > > (don´t forget all miscarriages and all children, that died early) > > MOTHER, please forgive my ancestors everything that they did wrong > knowingly or unknowingly against the Divine; > > MOTHER, please forgive all my greatgrandmothers on my mother´s side > 7 generations back everything that they have done wrong knowingly or > unknowingly against the Divine and set their souls free. > > MOTHER, please forgive all my greatgrandfathers on my mother´s side > 7 generations back everything that they have done wrong knowingly or > unknowingly against the Divine and set their souls free. > > MOTHER, please forgive all my greatgrandmothers on my father´s side > 7 generations back everything that they have done wrong knowingly or > unknowingly against the Divine and set their souls free. > > MOTHER, please forgive all my greatgrandfathers on my mother´s side > 7 generations back everything that they have done wrong knowingly or > unknowingly against the Divine and set their souls free. > > MOTHER, please forgive my grandfather........., > grandmother...............(name) (also siblings of grandfather, > grandmother) ….. > > MOTHER, please forgive my father (name) …. > > MOTHER, please forgive my mother……. > > MOTHER, please forgive my sister/ brother (name) ........... > > MOTHER, please forgive my spouse…….. > > MOTHER, please forgive my children (name)………. > > MOTHER, please forgive all my relatives ………. > > (with the relatives always name the uncles and aunts, especially > those who died early (war, accident, suicide etc.) or where there > have been close bonds, or bad incidents happening. Also a cousin of > the father, who was a priest, could cause a migraine. This karma > effects our consciousness very intensely. Don´t forget the godfather > or godmother of church rituals like baptism or confirmation etc. > > MOTHER, please forgive all people in my home..........(town, state, > country) > > (you can add specific incidents in your own country´s history like > wars, mass murders, persecution, holocaust, etc… and name that also) > > MOTHER, please forgive all Europeans what they have done with their > imperialistic conquests all over the world.... > > MOTHER, please forgive me and wash out everything, which was written > as my karma in the heavens and give me the power to forgive. > > Stay in meditation for some time. > > It can be very effective to do this treatment for a few days in a > row. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 Dear Jagbir, Reading your mails I get an impression that you dfinitely donot support the formation of the World Coucil, and state it clearly that they are inept to carry the divine will forward... But tell me one thing ... There was a video, if you remember available on SWAN where we could see Shri Mataji and Sir CP sitting together with some Sahaj Yogies(who were named as the memeber of the WCASY), here Sir CP clearly said that this coucil has been made by the permission of the Mother, and its has been formed to carry Her will forward. My question is, that if these people were actually inept and incapable, then would Shri Mataji choose them for such a resposibility??? Even if they are incapable, lets assume, then who are we to challenge the decision of ShriMataji! She must have chosen them for some good reason I guess. Kindly explain. With all due respect to you. Jai Shri Gajanana Your brother Saarthak > These 70s experiments on drug-damaged ex-hippies to stabilize and > focus their attention on the subtle have today fossilized the > mindset and paralyzed the movement to deal with the modern world. > Two lost generations have stripped, raped and mutilated Her core > teachings beyond recognition, replacing it with the SYSSR. The WCASY > is the Frankenstien monster devoid of the treasured spiritual > qualities - truth, love, human conscience and humility. Only those > who have been their victims or learnt about their editing out Her > Divine Message can expose these Will-hijackers. > > Now only by being outside the organization can you keep Shri > Mataji's core teachings from being corrupted, and begin the process > of declaring it to all seekers. This is " the knowledge shree mataji > imparted and wanted people to learn (that) is not at all practiced > by most of the SY's " . We have about seven years to spread it. So > have faith that She will eventually triumph despite all the subtle > system stagnation and extreme poverty of seekers in SY collectives. > The thirsty stubborn camel must either drink from the Fountain of > Truth or die of a subtle system seizure. Time is on our side. > > Jai Shri Mataji, > > > jagbir > > > , Sambhav > <maddy7_maddy7@> wrote: > > > > Well in the the last few years I have seen things changing a lot > in sahaj Yoga. Like as we can see the creation of the so called > world council ( http://www.sahajayoga.org/worldcouncil/default.asp ) > consisting of 34 world leaders. I have no faith in this group as now > I see Shree Mataji's Nirmal Yoga seperate to that of Sahaja Yoga. > The knowledge shree mataji imparted and wanted people to learn is > not at all practiced by most of the SY's. I was reading a website > www.shrimataji.co.nr which has some very nice memories shared by > sahajayogies. In some articles we can read how shree mataji taught > newcommers in a simple room, gave advice on meditaton on chakras, > and also tells that all the treatements, bandhan, aarti etc. that we > do today were actually invented while mother experimented with > vibrations. > > But today the truth is just not there. No discussion on the actual > core of sahaja Yoga. It is covered by things like WSASY, constant > creation of big centers and than donations etc. > > I have no faith left in Sahaja Yoga (as an Organisation). > > Because so many leaders came and have left SY and I don't know how > long these may stay. I don't know if I would donate money or marry > in SY after seeing the current situation. > > > > /message/6566 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 , " saarthak_vats " <saarthakvats wrote: > > Dear Jagbir, > Reading your mails I get an impression that you dfinitely do not > support the formation of the World Coucil, and state it clearly > that they are inept to carry the divine will forward... i do not know how you arrived at this conclusion that i " definitely do not support the formation of the World Coucil " . " Now i heard they are going to attend a World Council to chart the course of action, something the upper echelon have been doing ever since the expedition started. (You may be surprised to know that a few famous leaders turned out to be embarrassing flops. Thus the ideas of the present exclusive nobility may be failures of future rejected pariahs. Remember Yogi Mahajan and his disastrous North American foray that turned out to be an expensive stress management fiasco?) However i am a little bit confident they will succeed this time and finally lead us out of wilderness. Why is this so? Well, they have no choice but to at last tell the truth that it is the Last Judgment and Al-Qiyamah. Maybe God Almighty and His Messengers may finally respond to honesty. " /message/1434 So Saathak there is no question i did not support it. On the contrary, i believed they will finally tell the truth. All i did was remind them of what Shri Mataji desired when She formed the council. It is obvious that Shri Mataji's " soothing, uniting, elevating spiritual message of Sahaja Yoga " to a world in turmoil meant much more than the subtle system and self-realization: /message/1222 /message/1238 /message/1245 /message/1380 /message/2161 Yes, i again " state it clearly that they are inept to carry the divine will forward " . Only idiots will believe that humans can represent the Divine Will. So being inept is a moot point and i will only be contradicting being an idiot if i discuss it further, given the fact that it is absolutely impossible to represent Divine Will. > But tell me one thing ... > There was a video, if you remember available on SWAN where we could > see Shri Mataji and Sir CP sitting together with some Sahaj Yogies > (who were named as the memeber of the WCASY), here Sir CP clearly > said that this coucil has been made by the permission of the > Mother, and its has been formed to carry Her will forward. > My question is, that if these people were actually inept and > incapable, then would Shri Mataji choose them for such a > resposibility??? Even if they are incapable, lets assume, then who > are we to challenge the decision of ShriMataji! She must have > chosen them for some good reason I guess. > i have pasted below a previous post that explains the meaning of " Of course " . /message/6324 The point i keep stressing is that humans CANNOT REPRESENT THE WILL OF GOD ALMIGHTY OR HIS SHAKTI. Till this is not understood it will be pointless talking about this isssue. And i will have to repeat again - I HAVE NEVER OPPOSSED THE FORMATION OF WCASY. The only plea i keep making again and again is that WCASY must declare Shri Mataji's message in all its entirety. They must be honest, straughtforward and transparent. Nothing must be hidden. And they should have the conscience of self-realized souls, not cowards. And please let me know the following: i) did Shri Mataji ever mentioned WCASY will represent Her Will when WCASY was formed 20 November 2003? Why should She now reliquish Her Will when She can just say that SYs should follow the decisions of WCASY? Isn't that much better than claiming She was bequested Her Will to 'the chosen ones'? ii) why Guido, a trusted leader and council member who served Shri Mataji loyally for more than two decades, is now suddenly a traitor? How can representatives of the Divine Will go against a Divine Will representative just appointed by Shri Mataji? iii) it was also declared that " The World Council shall meet at least twice a year. The venues and dates for this will be decided by me. All conclusions will be reached by three fourth majority, preferably by unanimity. " Has any of these come true since Her Will was hijacked? Has the council met with all members even once? Did Shri Mataji set any such dates for 2006? iv) What have WCASY done since inception to even advance Sahaja Yoga by 1%? What mind-boggling brainstorming have they done to advance Sahaja Yoga to a world in turmoil? How come they are fighting and jostling for power amongst themselves? Why all this confusion and contradictions that makes WCASY a joke? v) How come some members like Alan Wherry can claim commercialized fiction can advance Shri Mataji message? Why is the Divine Will now interested in fantasy instead of truth? How come his portion of the Divine Will contradicts Shri Mataji's Will as far as my book, website and work is concerned? How come his authourity that i am not a Sahaja Yogi overrules Shri Mataji's previous Will? vi) Shall we all now meditate on the collective Will of WCASY and attain enlightenment since they believe that Shri Mataji has given Her Will to them? i can ask more questions but that should do. i am providing a copy of the 20 November 2003 document to facilitate your enquiries: " The world is in turmoil today. People everywhere are anxious about the future. What they need is the soothing, uniting, elevating spiritual message of Sahaja Yoga. They have to be enabled to experience " Self-Realization " and thereby attain inner transformation. Only then they will begin to regard all human beings as members of one large human family regardless of their race, culture etc. Only then will they discard hatred and violence. Sahaja Yogis have a momentous responsibility at this crucial time in human history. They have to spread Sahaja Yoga in all the parts of the world by written and spoken word. For this purpose, a well thought out approach is needed. I entrust this crucially important task to a new " WORLD COUNCIL FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF SAHAJA YOGA " with the following membership: CHAIRPERSON: SHRI MATAJI NIRMALA DEVI MEMBERS (All designated as World Leaders) 1. Rajesh Shah 3. Gregoire de Kalbermatten 3. Guido Lanza 4. David Spiro 5. Vijay Nalgirkar 6. Manoj Kumar 7. Eduardo Marino 8. Wolfgang Hackl 9. Majid Golpour 10. Phillip Zeiss 11. Derek Lee 12. Arneau de Kalbermatten 13. Sergei Perezhogni 14. Nese Algan 15. Ivan Tan 16. Avinash Nichkawde 17. Rodger Akgibe 18. Karan Khurana 19. Alex Henshaw Gagan Ahluwalia will attend the meetings of this council as an Advisor on Financial, Accounting and Property matters; Paul Ellis will attend these meetings as an Advisor on Legal Affairs; Allan Wherry will attend these meetings as an Advisor on Publication Issues. In my absence one of the members will preside by rotation at each meeting. The World Council shall meet at least twice a year. The venues and dates for this will be decided by me. All conclusions will be reached by three fourth majority, preferably by unanimity. " SHRI MATAJI NIRMALA DEVI 20 November 2003 --- -------------------------------- /message/6324 Dear Violet and All Believers of the Last Judgment and Resurrection, First i must thank Violet for time and again bringing out vital information that is so necessary to sustain Shri Mataji's legacy and Divine Message. It is no easy task being frank and upfront about what Shri Mataji taught us against the background of WCASY's power struggles to presently establish, and in future enforce, their Will for all times on the unchosen ones. i am shocked at the gullibility of SYs who think the Adi Shakti has actually transferred Her Will to a group of people. i am flabbergasted because Anshul Bansal - who as a Hindu should know far better about the Shakti - actually wants us to read the so-called 'historic video affirming the role of The World Council Of Sahaja Yoga'. It is as if we are as ignorant as SYs are enlightened to understand that Shri Mataji had Her Will transferred in a delicate operation involving highly skilled SY brain surgeons. What many failed to notice is that the entire surgery hardly took one minute (and should be good reason for all SYs to re-celebrate their historic medical success in transferring wills in a world record time. It is a record that will stand for all times). So let's read what Anshul Bansal and mprgrandmaster wants us to know: " Historic video affirming the role of The World Council Of Sahaja Yoga Sunday, June 18, 2006 In July, 2005, there was a historic announcement regarding the role The World Council Of Sahaja Yoga in the presence Shri Mataji. Please below to view the video of this historic announcement. Historic Video Affirming the WCASY This video-clip shares a special moment in the history of Sahaja Yoga, Shri Mataji's gift to mankind, confirming Her desire to establish responsibility for the international coordination of Her great work through Her recently created World Council for the Advancement of Sahaja Yoga. (Taken during a music program in Her New Jersey home on Saturday, July 23rd, 2005. The video is followed by two photos taken Friday, September 16, 2005 of Shri Mataji signing the authorizations for the World Council to now protect and preserve all of Her talks in all electronic and published formats.) Sir CP: " One thing I want to mention - World Council - is that She (Shri Mataji) desires for me to convey to you that the World Council is the highest authority in Sahaja Yoga, representing Her will. And this will be, the World Council, will be the final deciding authority in Sahaja Yoga collectives. There should be no doubt about that. That is Her will, and on behalf of Her, the World Council will be acting. Is that clear to everyone? That is Her will and She asked me to convey this, and I am conveying it to you. " Shri Mataji: " Of course. " Sir CP: " The final authority is the World Council. Everything else emanates from the World Council. Whatever decision is to be taken, the World Council takes, because that is Her will. The Council represents Her will. Alright? So there should be no confusion in future. That has been decided. Thereafter, what happens where is a matter for the World Council to decide. We have now to move forward, carry forward the message and act on that basis. " (end) So there it is in black and white. No room for error, dissent or argument. It is as infallible as papal decrees. But wait a minute. No one seems to question why a 83-year-old sedated and Risperidone-medicated Shri Mataji is unable to say the same, even just mention " I am tranferring my Will to the World Council. " In the first place, can any neurosurgeon put his or her reputation on the line and confirm that Shri Mataji understood what Sir CP was talking about? i even seriuosly suspect if an aging Shri Mataji, who is now hard of hearing, did actually hear anything spoken in the firat place. Have SYs become so brainwashed or afraid to voice their protest at the 'atrocities' committed against the Divine Mother? Did Shri Mataji in all Her decades of normal life ever mention She will transfer Her Will? Is this their way of saying thanks to an obviously old and incapacitated human being who cannot fend or fight the encroaching powers who are putting words in Her mouth? Why cannot they rise to defend Her when She needs them most? i am truly shocked! It is as if a rape is witnessed collectively, but none able to respond. What has happened to the conscience of SYs? What is the nature of the evil negativity that has overcome the collectives and threatens to consume the future? Why have so many succumbed and allowed Her Will to be usurped right before their eyes and under their noses? Let me tell you a true incident that happened in the 1980's so that all of us may understand the hidden meaning of the word " Of course " . In the early 1980's a new Olympic-size swimming pool was built in Subang Jaya, Malaysia. i used to walk my children there for an occasional swim as it was just a mile or so away. At the back of my house i had a 20 something, illiterate trucker friend (Besawa Singh's second son) who never swam, less entered a swimming pool. One day he decided to go with my practical joker friend Sukhvinder (Malkit Singh's youngest brother) for a swim. After changing into swimming trunks both were walking along the diving-side of the pool. This trucker friend saw people diving and then swimming underwater, and was both amazed and elated by human potential. He asked Sukhvinder in excitement: " Can you breathe underwater? " Sukhvinder, used to his dumb nature, replied: " Of course. " The trucker immediately jumped into the deep end and, after breathing water, started drowning. Sukhvinder, shocked by human stupidity, had to jump in and save his friend from drowning. He never expected that poor chap, notwithstanding his dim-wittedness, to actually believe so because any mature person knows that it is impossible to breathe underwater (or transfer human wills). That is why he said " Of course. " Maybe SYs will understand better now. Perhaps they won't. But it does not matter to me. As an outsider i will never be subject to the Will of WCASY ........ only SYs following their SYSSR are. So that brings us back again to the question: " Did Shri Mataji had Her Will transferred in a delicate operation involving highly skilled World Council brain = surgeons? " OF COURSE! jagbir , " Violet " <violet.tubb wrote: > > , " in2centre <supatni@ > > " <supatni@> wrote: > > Another thing, which sustained me was when Sri Mataji warned us > not to be attached to Sahaja Yoga which She said " is just one of > My forms, but to Me. " A lot of people still don't see that. > > /post? > act=reply & messageNum=23 > > > Dear Jagbir and All, > > i am quite perplexed that over all of the years where Shri Mataji > taught the exact opposite, that we now have Sahaja Yogis who > purport to represent Her Will to Sahaja Yogis. > > i have always tried and tested everything like a scientist, as Shri Mataji has also asked us to do. i know that Her Teachings agree with Jesus's and other Incarnation's and Prophet's teachings. i know beyond the shadow of a doubt, that Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the Incarnation of the Comforter/Holy Spirit of the Christians, the Adi Shakti of the Hindus, the Ruh of Allah of the Muslims, the Maitreya of the Buddhists, the Eykaa Mayee of the Sikhs, the Great Mother of the Taoists, and the Shekinah/Ruach of Jews. > > In other words, She is a very special personality, and belongs to the whole world, all of humanity, and not just to Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga is just one of Her forms. > > The only thing that i do not find credible is that after all these years when She warned us: - > > 1. that we are to be our own gurus, masters, and teachers > 2. about the 'blind leaders of the blind' > 3. the fact that nobody can organize the Truth, (which means Her Truth, too) > 4. that She hoped we would not make a religion out of Her teachings > 5. about the ambitions of leaders or any external authority who want to dominate us > 6. that we have the free will to surrender or to not surrender our will to the Divine Mother/Holy Spirit Within > > .....that after all these warnings and admonitions and teachings, that Shri Mataji would then do the opposite, and surrender Her Will to WCASY. > > Frankly, it won't make a difference to me how many edicts WCASY put out to convince me that they now represent the Will of the Incarnation of the Holy Spirit on Earth. i know that She actually represents Herself within me in my 'temple built without human hands'....as Shri Jesus has taught us. > > Why WCASY want so much power on Earth, is way beyond my ability to comprehend. Truth is Truth, and it will expose all that is falsehood, WCASY just need to accept that this is so, and surrender to this Truth Within that Shri Mataji has shown. The Outside must reflect what is on the Inside. The Outside always reflects what is on the Inside. The Inner Truth and the Outer Truth must agree. You cannot have Absolute Truth, and then pretend to legislate it to make it Absolute. Either it is Absolute or it is not. > > Even if Shri Mataji did say " Of course " in Her medicated state, which means that She might not have had full comprehension of what She was agreeing to, Shri Mataji's Words of Advice before She was medicated were to be attached to Her, and not to Sahaja Yoga, and that Sahaja Yoga was only one of Her forms. > > i have followed these words to their logical conclusion, and this is what i come up with: - > > 1. WCASY now state that they 're-present' the Will of Shri Mataji. > > 2. WCASY are Sahaja Yoga (the organizers of SY) > > 3. Shri Mataji has said that we are not to be attached to Sahaja Yoga, but to be attached to Her. > > 4. That means that we are not to be attached to WCASY, because WCASY are Sahaja Yoga (the organizers of). > > What bothers me, though, is that WCASY seem to have made themselves not just administrators of the monies, properties, and a communication link for smooth communications, but that they seem to have made themselves into a Defacto Shri Mataji. > > Practically speaking, this would mean that SY's now are expected to look up to WCASY the way they used to look up to Shri Mataji. However, another thing that Shri Mataji has taught, (funnily enough) is that all the organizers of the Truth of each Incarnation have 'mucked things up', such as 'watering down' the Incarnations' Message, editing it, and so forth.....oh, yes, and they always dominated the devotees of the Incarnation, too. > > Here is a horoscope of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, which I have gleaned from the Australian SY Newsletter – 12 March 1998. They cite that this horoscope was also published in Nirmala Yoga – Jan- Feb '81. Could it be possible that this astrologer's prediction could refer to WCASY? > > " The T-square formations between Moon-Mars, Venus, Jupiter and Neptune, indicate that some of the plans of Mataji might be hindered by obstructive activities of evil and negative forces. Also Mataji might have to steer through conflicting loyalties and aims, of some of her so-called followers who are enemies in disguise. But despite all this, she will find her way to the goal of her life, viz., universal Self-Realization! " …. > > violet > > > , anshul bansal > <anshil_da@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Please visit the following link and know the words from Sir C. > P. on behalf of Shri Mataji:- > > > > http://www.sahajayoga.org/swan/view/swan_512_2006.asp > > > > > > These 70s experiments on drug-damaged ex-hippies to stabilize and > > focus their attention on the subtle have today fossilized the > > mindset and paralyzed the movement to deal with the modern world. > > Two lost generations have stripped, raped and mutilated Her core > > teachings beyond recognition, replacing it with the SYSSR. The WCASY > > is the Frankenstien monster devoid of the treasured spiritual > > qualities - truth, love, human conscience and humility. Only those > > who have been their victims or learnt about their editing out Her > > Divine Message can expose these Will-hijackers. > > > > Now only by being outside the organization can you keep Shri > > Mataji's core teachings from being corrupted, and begin the process of declaring it to all seekers. This is " the knowledge shree mataji imparted and wanted people to learn (that) is not at all practiced by most of the SY's " . We have about seven years to spread it. So have faith that She will eventually triumph despite all the subtle system stagnation and extreme poverty of seekers in SY collectives. > > The thirsty stubborn camel must either drink from the Fountain of > > Truth or die of a subtle system seizure. Time is on our side. > > > > Jai Shri Mataji, > > > > > > jagbir > > > > > > , Sambhav > > <maddy7_maddy7@> wrote: > > > > > > Well in the the last few years I have seen things changing a lot in sahaj Yoga. Like as we can see the creation of the so called > > world council ( http://www.sahajayoga.org/worldcouncil/default.asp ) > > consisting of 34 world leaders. I have no faith in this group as now I see Shree Mataji's Nirmal Yoga seperate to that of Sahaja Yoga. > > The knowledge shree mataji imparted and wanted people to learn is > > not at all practiced by most of the SY's. I was reading a website > > www.shrimataji.co.nr which has some very nice memories shared by > > sahajayogies. In some articles we can read how shree mataji taught newcommers in a simple room, gave advice on meditaton on chakras, and also tells that all the treatements, bandhan, aarti etc. that we do today were actually invented while mother experimented with vibrations. > > > But today the truth is just not there. No discussion on the actual core of sahaja Yoga. It is covered by things like WSASY, constant creation of big centers and than donations etc. > > > I have no faith left in Sahaja Yoga (as an Organisation). > > > Because so many leaders came and have left SY and I don't know how long these may stay. I don't know if I would donate money or marry in SY after seeing the current situation. > > > > > > > /message/6566 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 > > , " Saarthak Vats " > <saarthakvats@> wrote: > > > > Jai Shri Mataji Everyone. > > > > Through this mail I wanted to draw your attention towards one > > thing : The Sahaj Material being circulated through emails. > > > > There are many material which we pass on to fellow Sahaj Yogis, > > which we recieve from someone else (thorugh emails), but before > > doing that checking the vibrations of the material is not our > > general habit... > > > > I am writing this to particulary draw your attention towards a > > treatment technique which is very much circulating nowadays > > through emails, which is : " KARMA TREATMENT " . I am attaching the > > document which describes the technique of this treatment. The > > truth is that this kind of treatment DOES NOT EXIST !! It has > > NEVER been DESCRIBED BY SHRIMATAJI !! > > > > This was VALIDATED by Dr. Madhur Rai, the Incharge of Washi > > Hospital. My mother recently came back from a 10 day stay at > > Washi. Before going to Washi she was also doing this treatment > > (which I passed it to her in my ignorance because I also recieved > > through email ). After reaching there when she met Dr. Rai and > > told her that she was doing this treatment, Dr. Rai CLEARLY said > > that THERE IS NO SUCH TREATMENT !!! Further Dr. Rai said that > > there are many such materials on the internet being circulated > > which are not mentioned by Shri Mataji... > > > > If you think logically, when we say that " I am a Spirit " & > > " Mother you are the doer and the enjoyer " . This means that we > > realise that we are Spirit and Mother does everything, and for a > > Spirit there are no Karmas. Spirit is Nirmal... > > > > Saarthak Vats > > > , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: > > Dear All, > > For years i have been trying to bring sanity to the treatment and > ritual obsessed SYs, warning that many treatments are just > conjectured innovations. The ceaseless collective chatter of > catches and cures is the virus that has spread this infectious > disease. Now it is an epidemic and probably mutated beyond hope of > any cure. > > But there is absolutely no need to do any treatment if you only > allow the Mother Kundalini to heal, using just the attention of > your thoughtless state to rid yourself of any problem - ANY > PROBLEM! > > This Karma Treatment is just the tip of the iceberg. So what will > save the sanity of subtle system SYs? ............. Nothing! You > can only save your own by seeing no treatment, hearing no > treatment, speaking no treatment, following no treatment and > giving no treatment. Let the subtle system SYs mutilate, brutalize > and rape all Her teachings to their heart's content. Let them > destroy themselves and the organization with all this nonsense > that repels normal humans. Let them turn themselves into > constantly sick, catching and almost mad treatment fanatics that > will starve their collectives and ashrams of sane seekers. > > All you need to do is just meditate on the Adi Shati within. Just > be patient and witness the insanity that grips the subtle system > fanatics. Let Shri Mataji destroy all the negativity that prevents > Her Divine Message from reaching humanity. One day this will be all > over and we will have normal, ritual-free seekers meditating on the > Adi Shakti within. They will do so solely to take part in the Last > Judgment and Resurrection. They will be their own masters because > we will make sure they will have all the knowledge and help to do > so right from the beginning! That process has already been put into > motion with this forum and archives. > > Jai Shri Ganapathi, > > > jagbir > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/archives.htm > > /message/6742 > Message From International Sahaja Yoga Research and Health Centre in Vashi Saturday, November 11, 2006 Dear Sahaja yogis from all over the world, The International Sahaja Yoga Research and Health Centre in Vashi (Mumbai) has achieved, through the steady and devotional work of his Dr. Madhur Rai, her doctors and different Sahaja professionals with skills in health and medicine, a reputation for excellence, efficiency, miraculous healing and the impact of its treatment and curing techniques have won global worldwide appreciation. The whole knowledge derives from the Spiritual guidance of our Beloved Mother Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. Through Vashi collective involvement, we have access to the totality of the Divine Knowledge of The Adi Shakti, containing in itself the whole science of medicine. In this perspective, there is no need to come with new, other, alternative proposals, ideas, suggestions that may rise in one country or in a certain region of the world. The International Sahaja Yoga Research and Health Centre, (Vashi) and his Director Dr. Madhur Rai have indeed reported to me that an e- mail is being actively circulated to Sahaja Yogis all over the World marked " KARMA TREATMENT " , mentioning that this treatment comes from Vashi. " I strongly would like to state that this so called " KARMA TREATMENT " has never been advocated nor practised at Health Centre which only follows the Divine techniques advocated by Shri Mataji. " Therefore, I would like to request that these so called unknown practises of " Karma treatment " should stop at once. Sahaja Yogis all over the world should have a clear vision that not only these so called new propositions are based on no valid grounds, but undermine the real and deep work done in Vashi. There is one way how to raise its own Kundalini, there is also one way to treat one self, which is the method taught by our Beloved Mother. Our sense of discrimination, our own spirit will anyway guide us how to heal, cure or help people when the opportunity occurs. But, anyway, we, the Sahaja Yogis, should be focusing ourselves in giving self realisation. In one word, I would like to confirm that this Karma techniques have no authenticity at all and should be avoided throughout the world. If Sahaja Yogis of the World need guidance on this vast subject (health and well being and handling of its own physical balance) there are great teams of professionals ready to help in Vashi and elsewhere. Moreover, within the WCASY there is a health committee, under the guidance of Dr David Spiro who is all the time available for directing and counselling any Sahaja Yogi and Sahaja Yogini of the global sangha. I finally pray to all of you that you forget this obscure techniques and concentrate yourselves without any equivoque on the essence of Sahaja Divine culture. With love and respect Arneau -------------------- Dear All, After years of negligence that allowed the subtle system wound to fester the SY leadership have finally noticed the unsightly pus and retching odor (that must have driven almost all new seekers from practicing Sahaja Yoga). Maybe they realized that unless something drastic is done the only alternative left will be to amputate the subtle system toe of the Sahaja Yoga body. (Yes, folks, it is fortunately only the big left toe that seekers and SYs alike are unfortunately led to belief is the entire body of Sahaja Yoga.) i am sure Dr. Madhur Rai had for years known about this festering wound but was unable to bring/initiate a healing process. So it looks like after years of celebrated collective fanaticism the Karma Treatment is the insanity epidemic that had to be dealt with utmost urgency by the SY leadership. i believe they finally realized that their decades-old liberal subtle system experiment - one little fish and two eggs for ten people with one chili to say that it is Sahaja Yoga - had evolved into a Frankenstein monster that had begun taking a life and mind of its own. Main Entry: ma•lig•nant 1 a obsolete : MALCONTENT, DISAFFECTED b : evil in nature, influence, or effect : INJURIOUS c : passionately and relentlessly malevolent : aggressively malicious 2 : tending to produce death or deterioration <malignant malaria>; especially : tending to infiltrate, metastasize, and terminate fatally <a malignant tumor> - ma•lig•nant•ly adverb Webster Online Dictionary It is only when they were given evidence that their Frankenstein monster is now spawning malignantly deformed offspring like Karma Treatment that a sense of urgency stormed their brains. (For some reason Auntie Shaku's order/advise that SYs stay indoors on Diwali for 24 hours as Shri Yama had begun a strike over mandatory vacation co-signed in his collective agreement, and was illegally opening the Gates of Hell in protest, did not stir similar action of those 'chosen' to live high up in those ivory towers. Maybe it was not insane enough to have cause for concern.) But do not be overjoyed that the SY leadership is making strides. On the contrary, this is only an emergency that has finally forced the SY leadership to try steadying and turning around their badly battered, buffeted, rudderless ship from plunging over the abyss looming in the distance. They want rank and file SYs to believe they " have access to the totality of the Divine Knowledge of The Adi Shakti " - thus saving the Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion from the corrupting insanity of the Karma Treatment will lead them out of dire straits. It is still all hype, hypocrisy and hot air. don't forget to floss your brains, jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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