Gregoire, your letter speaks volumes about the World Council and SYs

[Guest guest]

Dear believers of the Last Judgment and Resurrection,

 

i have a copy of Gregoire's mail which, after a quarter of a

century, made me more ashamed than embarassed. Actually i should not

feel that way but, given the tens of thousands of devotees to whom

the letter is addressed, i suffer by association.

 

Gregoire's letter speaks volumes about the World Council and SYs ....

......... and himself too. Just in case they cannot comprehend what i

am trying to say there are 19 links to refresh memory. Please enjoy

the hype and hypocrisy of our founding fathers 25 years ago. Since

many of them are presently WCASY members it will give SYs a chance

to check the credibility and conscience of those who claim to be

representatives of Shri Bhagawati's Will against their own. i wanted

to add IQ but that would be too insulting for 'self-realized' souls.

 

jagbir

 

 

Gregoire de Kalbermatten, Zurich

Nirmal Yoga, Jan-Feb. 1981

 

" A realized being is someone who has felt the wind of the spirit and

whose Sahasrara Chakra has been opened. He is not yet a Sahaja Yogi.

A real Sahaja Yogi is someone who understands and realizes in his

life a few basic principles of behaviour. One of them is

fearlessness.

 

Fear is a cloud full of murmurs and sometimes full of horror which

spreads from the left side through the heart chakra into the field

of consciousness. Why do we fear? Some of the Sahaja Yogis are

saints whose Ida Nadi still store the memory of past lives'

prosecutions. Some others, in their seeking explorations, have been

exposed to various aspects of hell. And a few are just plain

cowards. Yet fear is nothing but a cloud. It has no substance, no

reality. Actually it is fear which creates its own object: the thing

we fear is created by fear itself. For there is simply nothing to be

afraid of within the glorious beauty of reality. This reality can be

encompassed in one statement: Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, Mother of

Sahaja Yoga is Sakshat the incarnated Adi Shakti. This is a fact.

This fact cannot be affected by mere opinions about it. Do we

realize that Her Power is beyond the scrutiny of the Trimurties?

Have we read in the Devi Mahatmyam how the gently smiling Goddess

becomes an enraged demon killer for the sake of Her children? Do we

understand again that this is not a mythological tale but an

actuality? How dare we fear? Really, if we look straight into the

various fears, they will vanish; the clouds dissipate when searched

with the stronger beam of enlightened attention.

 

Shri Mataji always says: " Never forget that your Mother is very

powerful, that She knows everything and that She loves you very

much " . So, to become fearless, a Sahaja Yogi has simply to realize

the truth, the depth and power of this statement. To do so, we need

to actualize the nature, the divine nature of our relationship to

Shri Mataji. And the One who can help us in this is the great child-

God: Shri Ganesha-Christ.

 

So, it may well be concretely helpful to pray in our mooladhara and

agnya chakras so as to become better aware that we are sakshat

children of the Adi Shakti. And we should also pray to Shri Jagdamba

in the heart chakra to bless us with a strong feeling of security.

The key to the success of these prayers is, of course, surrender.

 

Indeed, a Sahaja Yogi can always take refuge behind the

indestructible All-pervading cosmic shield of Shri Bhagawati's

attention. And then we also become Her swords, because the fearless

attention of an enlightened being starts burning away many forms of

negativity. Fear itself is afraid of you when you are fearless.

 

With my best regards and Jai Shri Mataji, "

 

Gregoire de Kalbermatten, Zurich

 

Nirmal Yoga, Jan-Feb. 1981

 

 

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1)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/a_most_shocking_satanic_silence_keeps_

humanity_in_darkness_8-29-2006.htm

 

2)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/because_she_is_incapacitated_the_sys_d

o_not_feel_they_can_proclaim_her_3-12-2006.htm

 

3)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/devotees_of_amma_steal_sri_lalita_titl

e_under_noses_of_subtle_system_sys_twiddling_thumbs_2-08-2005.htm

 

4)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/has_shri_mataji's_original_vision_miss

ion_message_been_hijacked_8-15-2005.htm

 

5)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_can_we_throw_off_the_dominion_of_t

he_priestly_dark_powers_and_walk_in_light_5-09-2006.htm

 

6)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_many_leaders_are_asking_us_sys_to_

uphold_her_divine_message_to_humanity_7-06-2005.htm

 

7) http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_on_earth_can_genuine-

like_sy_fare_so_badly_8-17-2004.htm

 

8)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_long_will_this_chakra_charade_cont

inue_6-24-2004.htm

 

9)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/i_call_it_the_sahaja_yoga_subtle_syste

m_religion_5-12-2006.htm

 

10)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/if_sys_do_not_articulate_the_deep_trut

h_7-15-2004.htm

 

11)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/it_takes_21_sys_to_lie_about_divine_me

ssage_to_humanity_2-07-2006.htm

 

12)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/maybe_then_sys_will_stop_turning_sahaj

a_yoga_into_a_religion_of_lemons-and_chillies_12-23-2004.htm

 

13)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/number_of_divine_mothers_just_keep_on_

rising_9-11-2006.htm

 

14)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sahaja_yogis_must_face_the_issues_pres

ented_by_those_who_challenge_them_1-26-2005.htm

 

15)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sy_leaders_who_are_even_afraid_to_talk

_about_the_resurrection_1-13-2006.htm

 

16)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sys_who_are_able_to_roar_like_lions_an

d_squeak_like_mice_too_6-30-2005.htm

 

17)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sys_will_conjectured_human_fiction_or_

revealed_divine_truth_emancipate_humanity_9-04-2006.htm

 

18)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/to_those_management_sys_who_want_to_or

ganize_suppress_the_truth_7-08-2005.htm

 

19)

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/truth_that_subtle_system_sys_and_wcasy

_conveniently_forgot_about_shakti_9-24-2005.htm

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir,

 

Your latest post with the 14 or so links is not working. The links

show " oops " url not available, but the post to which the link is

suppose to direct you to is not there.

 

I just wanted to let you know incase you were not aware.

 

Take care

 

 

-------------------

 

Please copy and paste entire URL onto your browser.

 

jagbir

 

 

>

>

> ----------------------

>

> 1)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/a_most_shocking_satanic_silence_keeps_

humanity_in_darkness_8-29-2006.htm

>

> 2)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/because_she_is_incapacitated_the_sys_d

o_not_feel_they_can_proclaim_her_3-12-2006.htm

>

> 3)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/devotees_of_amma_steal_sri_lalita_titl

e_under_noses_of_subtle_system_sys_twiddling_thumbs_2-08-2005.htm

>

> 4)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/has_shri_mataji's_original_vision_miss

ion_message_been_hijacked_8-15-2005.htm

>

> 5)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_can_we_throw_off_the_dominion_of_t

he_priestly_dark_powers_and_walk_in_light_5-09-2006.htm

>

> 6)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_many_leaders_are_asking_us_sys_to_

uphold_her_divine_message_to_humanity_7-06-2005.htm

>

> 7) http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_on_earth_can_genuine-

like_sy_fare_so_badly_8-17-2004.htm

>

> 8)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_long_will_this_chakra_charade_cont

inue_6-24-2004.htm

>

> 9)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/i_call_it_the_sahaja_yoga_subtle_syste

m_religion_5-12-2006.htm

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> 10)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/if_sys_do_not_articulate_the_deep_trut

h_7-15-2004.htm

>

> 11)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/it_takes_21_sys_to_lie_about_divine_me

ssage_to_humanity_2-07-2006.htm

>

> 12)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/maybe_then_sys_will_stop_turning_sahaj

a_yoga_into_a_religion_of_lemons-and_chillies_12-23-2004.htm

>

> 13)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/number_of_divine_mothers_just_keep_on_

rising_9-11-2006.htm

>

> 14)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sahaja_yogis_must_face_the_issues_pres

ented_by_those_who_challenge_them_1-26-2005.htm

>

> 15)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sy_leaders_who_are_even_afraid_to_talk

_about_the_resurrection_1-13-2006.htm

>

> 16)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sys_who_are_able_to_roar_like_lions_an

d_squeak_like_mice_too_6-30-2005.htm

>

> 17)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sys_will_conjectured_human_fiction_or_

revealed_divine_truth_emancipate_humanity_9-04-2006.htm

>

> 18)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/to_those_management_sys_who_want_to_or

ganize_suppress_the_truth_7-08-2005.htm

>

> 19)

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/truth_that_subtle_system_sys_and_wcasy

_conveniently_forgot_about_shakti_9-24-2005.htm

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir, I have tried placing the entire URL in the browser. Still, the pages can not be found. For brevity sake, what is your objection to Gregoire's letter? It's his usual grandstanding and is a bit too strong but what is you objection to the underlying message of it? Why should Sahaja Yogis fear anything? All the love, Suzyjagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: Dear

Jagbir,Your latest post with the 14 or so links is not working. The links show "oops" url not available, but the post to which the link is suppose to direct you to is not there.I just wanted to let you know incase you were not aware.Take care-------------------Please copy and paste entire URL onto your browser.jagbir> > > ----------------------> > 1)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/a_most_shocking_satanic_silence_keeps_humanity_in_darkness_8-29-2006.htm> > 2)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/because_she_is_incapacitated_the_sys_do_not_feel_they_can_proclaim_her_3-12-2006.htm> > 3)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/devotees_of_amma_steal_sri_lalita_title_under_noses_of_subtle_system_sys_twiddling_thumbs_2-08-2005.htm> > 4)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/has_shri_mataji's_original_vision_mission_message_been_hijacked_8-15-2005.htm> > 5)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_can_we_throw_off_the_dominion_of_the_priestly_dark_powers_and_walk_in_light_5-09-2006.htm> > 6)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_many_leaders_are_asking_us_sys_to_uphold_her_divine_message_to_humanity_7-06-2005.htm> > 7) http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_on_earth_can_genuine-like_sy_fare_so_badly_8-17-2004.htm> > 8)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_long_will_this_chakra_charade_continue_6-24-2004.htm> > 9)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/i_call_it_the_sahaja_yoga_subtle_system_religion_5-12-2006.htm> > 10)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/if_sys_do_not_articulate_the_deep_truth_7-15-2004.htm> > 11)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/it_takes_21_sys_to_lie_about_divine_message_to_humanity_2-07-2006.htm> > 12)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/maybe_then_sys_will_stop_turning_sahaja_yoga_into_a_religion_of_lemons-and_chillies_12-23-2004.htm> > 13)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/number_of_divine_mothers_just_keep_on_rising_9-11-2006.htm> > 14)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sahaja_yogis_must_face_the_issues_presented_by_those_who_challenge_them_1-26-2005.htm> > 15)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sy_leaders_who_are_even_afraid_to_talk_about_the_resurrection_1-13-2006.htm> > 16)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sys_who_are_able_to_roar_like_lions_and_squeak_like_mice_too_6-30-2005.htm> > 17)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sys_will_conjectured_human_fiction_or_revealed_divine_truth_emancipate_humanity_9-04-2006.htm> > 18)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/to_those_management_sys_who_want_to_organize_suppress_the_truth_7-08-2005.htm> > 19)> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/truth_that_subtle_system_sys_and_wcasy_conveniently_forgot_about_shakti_9-24-2005.htm>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Suzt,

 

It works ....... i just copied and pasted it and it works all right.

 

And when did i object to its underlying message? On the contrary, i

am glad i found it. If only those who speak/lecture/lead SYs

practise what they preach. Otherwise it is all hype and hypocrisy. i

can change it to " propaganda " or " public consumption " but that would

be a bit inaccurate.

 

You asked: " Why should Sahaja Yogis fear anything? " i have been

asking that for years and nobody knows why they fear (telling the

truth about Sahaja Yoga and Shri Mataji). Why should Gregoire still

fear being truthful and honest to a world in turmoil? Why should

WCASY be fearful? Didn't all the years of footsoaking and treatments

and mantras and matkas do any good? Why roar in private praise when

you can hardly squeak in public? Why should Sahaja Yogis who believe

they have a very powerful Mother fear anything?

 

regards,

 

jagbir

 

 

, Suzy Creamcheese

<suzyogi wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> I have tried placing the entire URL in the browser. Still, the

pages can not be found.

>

> For brevity sake, what is your objection to Gregoire's letter?

It's his usual grandstanding and is a bit too strong but what is you

objection to the underlying message of it? Why should Sahaja Yogis

fear anything?

>

> All the love,

> Suzy

>

> jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> Your latest post with the 14 or so links is not working. The links

> show " oops " url not available, but the post to which the link is

> suppose to direct you to is not there.

>

> I just wanted to let you know incase you were not aware.

>

> Take care

>

> -------------------

>

> Please copy and paste entire URL onto your browser.

>

> jagbir

>

> >

> >

> > ----------------------

> >

> > 1)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/a_most_shocking_satanic_silence_keeps_

> humanity_in_darkness_8-29-2006.htm

> >

> > 2)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/because_she_is_incapacitated_the_sys_d

> o_not_feel_they_can_proclaim_her_3-12-2006.htm

> >

> > 3)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/devotees_of_amma_steal_sri_lalita_titl

> e_under_noses_of_subtle_system_sys_twiddling_thumbs_2-08-2005.htm

> >

> > 4)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/has_shri_mataji's_original_vision_miss

> ion_message_been_hijacked_8-15-2005.htm

> >

> > 5)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_can_we_throw_off_the_dominion_of_t

> he_priestly_dark_powers_and_walk_in_light_5-09-2006.htm

> >

> > 6)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_many_leaders_are_asking_us_sys_to_

> uphold_her_divine_message_to_humanity_7-06-2005.htm

> >

> > 7) http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_on_earth_can_genuine-

> like_sy_fare_so_badly_8-17-2004.htm

> >

> > 8)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_long_will_this_chakra_charade_cont

> inue_6-24-2004.htm

> >

> > 9)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/i_call_it_the_sahaja_yoga_subtle_syste

> m_religion_5-12-2006.htm

> >

> > 10)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/if_sys_do_not_articulate_the_deep_trut

> h_7-15-2004.htm

> >

> > 11)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/it_takes_21_sys_to_lie_about_divine_me

> ssage_to_humanity_2-07-2006.htm

> >

> > 12)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/maybe_then_sys_will_stop_turning_sahaj

> a_yoga_into_a_religion_of_lemons-and_chillies_12-23-2004.htm

> >

> > 13)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/number_of_divine_mothers_just_keep_on_

> rising_9-11-2006.htm

> >

> > 14)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sahaja_yogis_must_face_the_issues_pres

> ented_by_those_who_challenge_them_1-26-2005.htm

> >

> > 15)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sy_leaders_who_are_even_afraid_to_talk

> _about_the_resurrection_1-13-2006.htm

> >

> > 16)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sys_who_are_able_to_roar_like_lions_an

> d_squeak_like_mice_too_6-30-2005.htm

> >

> > 17)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sys_will_conjectured_human_fiction_or_

> revealed_divine_truth_emancipate_humanity_9-04-2006.htm

> >

> > 18)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/to_those_management_sys_who_want_to_or

> ganize_suppress_the_truth_7-08-2005.htm

> >

> > 19)

> >

>

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/truth_that_subtle_system_sys_and_wcasy

> _conveniently_forgot_about_shakti_9-24-2005.htm

> >

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir, Ok, I assumed that if Gregoire's mail made you more ashamed than embarrassed, then you were objecting. So, I should ask what is it exactly about Gregoire's mail that made you ashamed and suffer by association? Suzy "i have a copy of Gregoire's mail which, after a quarter of acentury, made me more ashamed than embarassed. Actually i should notfeel that way but, given the tens of thousands of devotees to whomthe letter is addressed, i suffer by association."jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: Dear Suzt,It works ....... i just copied and pasted it and it works all right. And when did i object to its underlying message? On the contrary, i am glad i found it. If only those who speak/lecture/lead SYs practise what they preach. Otherwise it is all hype and hypocrisy. i can change it to "propaganda" or "public consumption" but that would be a bit inaccurate.You asked: "Why should Sahaja Yogis fear anything?" i have been asking that for years and nobody knows why they fear (telling the truth about Sahaja Yoga and Shri Mataji). Why should Gregoire still fear being truthful and honest to a world in turmoil? Why should WCASY be fearful? Didn't all the years of footsoaking and treatments and mantras and matkas do any good? Why

roar in private praise when you can hardly squeak in public? Why should Sahaja Yogis who believe they have a very powerful Mother fear anything?regards,jagbir , Suzy Creamcheese <suzyogi wrote:>> Dear Jagbir,> > I have tried placing the entire URL in the browser. Still, the pages can not be found.> > For brevity sake, what is your objection to Gregoire's letter? It's his usual grandstanding and is a bit too strong but what is you objection to the underlying message of it? Why should Sahaja Yogis fear anything?> > All the love,> Suzy> > jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:> Dear Jagbir,> > Your latest post with the 14 or so links is not working. The links > show "oops" url not

available, but the post to which the link is > suppose to direct you to is not there.> > I just wanted to let you know incase you were not aware.> > Take care> > -------------------> > Please copy and paste entire URL onto your browser.> > jagbir> > > > > > > ----------------------> > > > 1)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/a_most_shocking_satanic_silence_keeps_> humanity_in_darkness_8-29-2006.htm> > > > 2)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/because_she_is_incapacitated_the_sys_d> o_not_feel_they_can_proclaim_her_3-12-2006.htm> > > > 3)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/devotees_of_amma_steal_sri_lalita_titl> e_under_noses_of_subtle_system_sys_twiddling_thumbs_2-08-2005.htm> > > > 4)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/has_shri_mataji's_original_vision_miss> ion_message_been_hijacked_8-15-2005.htm> > > > 5)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_can_we_throw_off_the_dominion_of_t> he_priestly_dark_powers_and_walk_in_light_5-09-2006.htm> > > > 6)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_many_leaders_are_asking_us_sys_to_> uphold_her_divine_message_to_humanity_7-06-2005.htm> > > > 7) http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_on_earth_can_genuine-> like_sy_fare_so_badly_8-17-2004.htm> > > > 8)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/how_long_will_this_chakra_charade_cont> inue_6-24-2004.htm> > > > 9)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/i_call_it_the_sahaja_yoga_subtle_syste> m_religion_5-12-2006.htm> > > > 10)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/if_sys_do_not_articulate_the_deep_trut> h_7-15-2004.htm> > > > 11)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/it_takes_21_sys_to_lie_about_divine_me> ssage_to_humanity_2-07-2006.htm> > > > 12)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/maybe_then_sys_will_stop_turning_sahaj> a_yoga_into_a_religion_of_lemons-and_chillies_12-23-2004.htm> > > > 13)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/number_of_divine_mothers_just_keep_on_> rising_9-11-2006.htm> > > > 14)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sahaja_yogis_must_face_the_issues_pres> ented_by_those_who_challenge_them_1-26-2005.htm> > > > 15)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sy_leaders_who_are_even_afraid_to_talk> _about_the_resurrection_1-13-2006.htm> > > > 16)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sys_who_are_able_to_roar_like_lions_an> d_squeak_like_mice_too_6-30-2005.htm> > > > 17)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/sys_will_conjectured_human_fiction_or_> revealed_divine_truth_emancipate_humanity_9-04-2006.htm> > > > 18)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/to_those_management_sys_who_want_to_or> ganize_suppress_the_truth_7-08-2005.htm> > > > 19)> > > http://www.adishakti.org/forum/truth_that_subtle_system_sys_and_wcasy> _conveniently_forgot_about_shakti_9-24-2005.htm> >> > > > > > >

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<suzyogi wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> Ok, I assumed that if Gregoire's mail made you more ashamed than

embarrassed, then you were objecting. So, I should ask what is it

exactly about Gregoire's mail that made you ashamed and suffer by

association?

>

> Suzy

>

 

i am more ashamed than embarrassed by the fact that despite all that

hype about being fearless, since we are all suppossed to be children

of a very powerful Mother and can take refuge behind the Cosmic

Shield of Shri Bhagawati, Gregoire and most SYs still fear telling

the truth about Her incarnation and Divine Message a quarter century

later. What happened to all that protection from Shri Bhagawati's

Cosmic Shield?

 

i do suffer by association with such a dishonest organisation

whose members roar in private but squeak in public. It is my

conscience, not anything physical, that still feels the pain ever

since the mid 1990's when i first begun questioning why SYs are not

being honest upfront .......... masquarading Sahaja Yoga as a new

meditation technique, stress reliever etc. when actually it is about

the Adi Shakti delivering the Divine Message of the Last Judgment

and Resurrection. i started this protest as soon as i found out that

She came with this Great News. It meant so much to me because i

could see the soothing syntesis, peace and harmony of all the

religions, scriptures and messengers collectively triumphing, giving

me added faith and strengtth that i cannot ever be wrong since all

faiths are unconditionally embraced. i could feel the immense power

of Her Divine Message at a very early stage, unlike most SYs who had

already spent years and were well established.

 

But nothing has changed. Just a few days i met a seeker whom i sent

two years ago to the Montreal public program. He told me proudly

that he had already been to two pujas and knew about Kundalini and

chakras. So i asked him: " Do you know that Sahaja oga is actually

about the Resurrection and Last Judgment? " He just blinked his eyes

and was clearly taken back, and had no idea what i was talking about.

 

And my conscience continues to suffer,

 

jagbir

 

 

 

> " i have a copy of Gregoire's mail which, after a quarter of a

> century, made me more ashamed than embarassed. Actually i should

not feel that way but, given the tens of thousands of devotees to whom the

letter is addressed, i suffer by association. "

>

>

> jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:

> Dear Suzt,

>

> It works ....... i just copied and pasted it and it works all

right.

>

> And when did i object to its underlying message? On the contrary,

i

> am glad i found it. If only those who speak/lecture/lead SYs

> practise what they preach. Otherwise it is all hype and hypocrisy.

i can change it to " propaganda " or " public consumption " but that

would be a bit inaccurate.

>

> You asked: " Why should Sahaja Yogis fear anything? " i have been

> asking that for years and nobody knows why they fear (telling the

> truth about Sahaja Yoga and Shri Mataji). Why should Gregoire

still fear being truthful and honest to a world in turmoil? Why should WCASY be

fearful? Didn't all the years of footsoaking and

treatments and mantras and matkas do any good? Why roar in private praise when

you can hardly squeak in public? Why should Sahaja Yogis who believe they have a

very powerful Mother fear anything?

>

> regards,

>

> jagbir

>

> , Suzy Creamcheese

> <suzyogi@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir,

> >

> > I have tried placing the entire URL in the browser. Still, the

> pages can not be found.

> >

> > For brevity sake, what is your objection to Gregoire's letter?

> It's his usual grandstanding and is a bit too strong but what is

you objection to the underlying message of it? Why should Sahaja Yogis fear

anything?

> >

> > All the love,

> > Suzy

> >

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Dear Jagbir, Ok, now I understand. thank you, Suzyjagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: , Suzy Creamcheese <suzyogi wrote:>> Dear Jagbir,> > Ok, I assumed that if Gregoire's mail made you more ashamed than embarrassed, then you were objecting. So, I should ask what

is it exactly about Gregoire's mail that made you ashamed and suffer by association?> > Suzy> i am more ashamed than embarrassed by the fact that despite all that hype about being fearless, since we are all suppossed to be children of a very powerful Mother and can take refuge behind the Cosmic Shield of Shri Bhagawati, Gregoire and most SYs still fear telling the truth about Her incarnation and Divine Message a quarter century later. What happened to all that protection from Shri Bhagawati's Cosmic Shield?i do suffer by association with such a dishonest organisation whose members roar in private but squeak in public. It is my conscience, not anything physical, that still feels the pain ever since the mid 1990's when i first begun questioning why SYs are not being honest upfront .......... masquarading Sahaja Yoga as a new meditation technique, stress reliever etc. when actually it is

about the Adi Shakti delivering the Divine Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. i started this protest as soon as i found out that She came with this Great News. It meant so much to me because i could see the soothing syntesis, peace and harmony of all the religions, scriptures and messengers collectively triumphing, giving me added faith and strengtth that i cannot ever be wrong since all faiths are unconditionally embraced. i could feel the immense power of Her Divine Message at a very early stage, unlike most SYs who had already spent years and were well established.But nothing has changed. Just a few days i met a seeker whom i sent two years ago to the Montreal public program. He told me proudly that he had already been to two pujas and knew about Kundalini and chakras. So i asked him: "Do you know that Sahaja oga is actually about the Resurrection and Last Judgment?" He just blinked his eyes and

was clearly taken back, and had no idea what i was talking about.And my conscience continues to suffer,jagbir> "i have a copy of Gregoire's mail which, after a quarter of a> century, made me more ashamed than embarassed. Actually i should not feel that way but, given the tens of thousands of devotees to whom the letter is addressed, i suffer by association."> > > jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:> Dear Suzt,> > It works ....... i just copied and pasted it and it works all right. > > And when did i object to its underlying message? On the contrary, i > am glad i found it. If only those who speak/lecture/lead SYs > practise what they preach. Otherwise it is all hype and hypocrisy. i can change it to "propaganda" or "public consumption" but that would be a bit inaccurate.> > You asked: "Why should Sahaja Yogis

fear anything?" i have been > asking that for years and nobody knows why they fear (telling the > truth about Sahaja Yoga and Shri Mataji). Why should Gregoire still fear being truthful and honest to a world in turmoil? Why should WCASY be fearful? Didn't all the years of footsoaking and treatments and mantras and matkas do any good? Why roar in private praise when you can hardly squeak in public? Why should Sahaja Yogis who believe they have a very powerful Mother fear anything?> > regards,> > jagbir> > , Suzy Creamcheese > <suzyogi@> wrote:> >> > Dear Jagbir,> > > > I have tried placing the entire URL in the browser. Still, the > pages can not be found.> > > > For brevity sake, what is your objection to Gregoire's

letter? > It's his usual grandstanding and is a bit too strong but what is you objection to the underlying message of it? Why should Sahaja Yogis fear anything?> > > > All the love,> > Suzy> >

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, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

 

" Just a few days i met a seeker whom i sent two years ago to the

Montreal public program. He told me proudly that he had already been

to two pujas and knew about Kundalini and chakras. So i asked him:

" Do you know that Sahaja Yoga is actually about the Resurrection and

Last Judgment? " He just blinked his eyes and was clearly taken back,

and had no idea what i was talking about.

 

Dear Jagbir and All,

 

i find that just astounding. A person has been to two pujas, knows about

Kundalini and chakras, and has never heard about the Last Judgment and

Resurrection?! i realise now that i took that knowledge for granted when i came

to Sahaja Yoga, because i had learned about it from childhood from my Christian

background... which i am very thankful for now.

 

Had i not had this pre-knowledge of the Last Judgment and Resurrection, i doubt

that i could have taken the fullest advantage of Shri Mataji's teachings, which

are most easily understood when you also understand about the Last Judgment and

Resurrrection.

 

i had so much faith in Sahaj Leaders. i really thought they would do the right

thing by Shri Mataji. i am very disappointed in them. i can't believe their

derelection of duty. However, obviously Shri Mataji was on to that, and She

organised others outside of the Sahaj Organisation to do the job then.

 

However, there is still a window of opportunity for the organisation to turn

around... I HOPE.

 

violet

 

 

> , Suzy Creamcheese

> <suzyogi@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir,

> >

> > Ok, I assumed that if Gregoire's mail made you more ashamed than

> embarrassed, then you were objecting. So, I should ask what is it

> exactly about Gregoire's mail that made you ashamed and suffer by

> association?

> >

> > Suzy

> >

>

> i am more ashamed than embarrassed by the fact that despite all that

> hype about being fearless, since we are all suppossed to be children

> of a very powerful Mother and can take refuge behind the Cosmic

> Shield of Shri Bhagawati, Gregoire and most SYs still fear telling

> the truth about Her incarnation and Divine Message a quarter century

> later. What happened to all that protection from Shri Bhagawati's

> Cosmic Shield?

>

> i do suffer by association with such a dishonest organisation

> whose members roar in private but squeak in public. It is my

> conscience, not anything physical, that still feels the pain ever

> since the mid 1990's when i first begun questioning why SYs are not

> being honest upfront .......... masquarading Sahaja Yoga as a new

> meditation technique, stress reliever etc. when actually it is about

> the Adi Shakti delivering the Divine Message of the Last Judgment

> and Resurrection. i started this protest as soon as i found out that

> She came with this Great News. It meant so much to me because i

> could see the soothing syntesis, peace and harmony of all the

> religions, scriptures and messengers collectively triumphing, giving

> me added faith and strengtth that i cannot ever be wrong since all

> faiths are unconditionally embraced. i could feel the immense power

> of Her Divine Message at a very early stage, unlike most SYs who had

> already spent years and were well established.

>

> But nothing has changed. Just a few days i met a seeker whom i sent

> two years ago to the Montreal public program. He told me proudly

> that he had already been to two pujas and knew about Kundalini and

> chakras. So i asked him: " Do you know that Sahaja oga is actually

> about the Resurrection and Last Judgment? " He just blinked his eyes

> and was clearly taken back, and had no idea what i was talking

about.

>

> And my conscience continues to suffer,

>

> jagbir

>

>

>

> > " i have a copy of Gregoire's mail which, after a quarter of a

> > century, made me more ashamed than embarassed. Actually i should

> not feel that way but, given the tens of thousands of devotees to

whom the letter is addressed, i suffer by association. "

> >

> >

> > jagbir singh <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > Dear Suzt,

> >

> > It works ....... i just copied and pasted it and it works all

> right.

> >

> > And when did i object to its underlying message? On the contrary,

> i

> > am glad i found it. If only those who speak/lecture/lead SYs

> > practise what they preach. Otherwise it is all hype and hypocrisy.

> i can change it to " propaganda " or " public consumption " but that

> would be a bit inaccurate.

> >

> > You asked: " Why should Sahaja Yogis fear anything? " i have been

> > asking that for years and nobody knows why they fear (telling the

> > truth about Sahaja Yoga and Shri Mataji). Why should Gregoire

> still fear being truthful and honest to a world in turmoil? Why

should WCASY be fearful? Didn't all the years of footsoaking and

> treatments and mantras and matkas do any good? Why roar in private

praise when you can hardly squeak in public? Why should Sahaja Yogis

who believe they have a very powerful Mother fear anything?

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> > , Suzy Creamcheese

> > <suzyogi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jagbir,

> > >

> > > I have tried placing the entire URL in the browser. Still, the

> > pages can not be found.

> > >

> > > For brevity sake, what is your objection to Gregoire's letter?

> > It's his usual grandstanding and is a bit too strong but what is

> you objection to the underlying message of it? Why should Sahaja

Yogis fear anything?

> > >

> > > All the love,

> > > Suzy

> > >

>