SM told of a great blessing to mankind that would confirm Her incarnation

October 4, 2006

Dear Violet,

The homepage of http://adishakti.org reads:

" In 1993 Shri Mataji disclosed at the Sydney International Airport,

Australia that if Her Message (of the Last Judgment and

Resurrection) is not given from within the Sahaja Yoga organization,

She had people to give it from without. Her exact words by one of

those who heard Her speaking at the airport: " If SY's are not up to

it " ... (Her Message would be given) ... " by people from outside of

the Organization " . "

i feel there is a need for clarification of the issue - venue, time,

place, what was said, other SYs present etc. - and would much

appreciate if you can help me do so:

>

> i now have something of interest to tell you... Jagbir... as well.

> Only it is such a vague memory, that i can only give an indication

> of it. i will tell what i can vaguely remember: -

>

> i recall Shri Mataji telling in person because i heard Her speak it

> and (i can't exactly remember the venue), but it was in Sydney,

> Australia somewhere, and it was either the third-last or the

> second-last major visit to Australia. The date therefore was

> between 1993-1995-6).

>

> Anyway, She told the group of Sahaja Yogis that there were two

> " special personalities " who either would be born or were to be born

> in Montreal, Canada (i can't remember which it was)... so please

> bear with me on that account. i think She said something about

> them being children at the time, or one was born, and the

> other 'yet to be born'. (i just can't remember which it is.)

>

> (Btw. the reason i remember the place as being Montreal, Canada, is

> because i come from Canada too, and i agreed wholeheartedly that

> Canada should be so blessed to have such " special personalities "

> born there, and i visualised this in my mind, as being Montreal

> Canada at the time, and pondered on that, and felt very happy for

> the country of my birth... being blessed too.)

>

> In any case, according to Shri Mataji, their incarnation (of these

> two) would be that they are " special personalities " which would

> give a great blessing to mankind because they would confirm Her

> (Shri Mataji's Incarnation). i will even go as far as saying that

> Shri Mataji might have said that they too, were some kind of a

> special incarnation, but i am not sure... but i think that was

> what Shri Mataji was saying. (It seemed like that to " me " , anyway,

> but i could have misunderstood Her; it could be that by

> saying " special personality, i only understood it " myself " as some

> kind of special incarnation).

>

> She also said that they were yet to grow up and that we would not

> really hear much about them until they were older. She also said

> something about them not actually being in the Organisation of

> Sahaja Yoga itself, but they would be doing a separate job... a

> job about giving confirmation of Her Incarnation. Shri Mataji said

> that She only needed to mention this, and that there was nothing

> that we needed to do about that information, but that we would

> know about them at a later time.

>

> (Jagbir this memory came back because you revealed that your

> children are " angels " according to the Revelations of the Shakti.

> That triggered this memory, which was there somewhere in the

> background since 1993-1996) but which i had hidden.

>

> What Shri Mataji told was most enigmatic for me. For a start,

> children who had yet to grow up; then people who were not even in

> the Organisation of SY; then confirming that Shri Mataji is an

> Incarnation...what is that all about? There were too many unknown

> factors, plus the fact that Shri Mataji was so casual about it, and

> said it was not necessary to do anything about that; that time

> would reveal everything.

>

> Can you blame me for being so vague, then, with all these what i

> would call quite 'wishy-washy' type of information, which seemed to

> have little relevance for me at the time... and then also being

> told that we do not need to have any concern about it. No wonder

> my memory is vague, and not only that, " special personalities " is

> not a thing Shri Mataji talked about really. She said everyone was

> special, so that was another reason, i never remembered this till

> you mentioned the word about Kash and Lalita being " angels " . That

> obviously triggered this " special personalities " memory that Shri

> Mataji told that day. i am sure most SY's won't remember either,

> because these seemed like such petty details at that time, and

> really meant very little to us Sahaja Yogis. There was no

> understanding by myself also. Who would understand such a thing?!)

>

> So... i thought i would tell you this, then... of what i have

> remembered about Shri Mataji having told us. i can tell you i would

> never have remembered this, if you had not told the " angel " word.

>

Violet, can you clarify the slight tension between Shri Mataji:

i) telling SYs they must announce Her Message or else outsiders will

do it;

ii) informing SYs there are already " special personalities " in

Montreal, Canada who will do so and " that there was nothing that we

needed to do about that information, but that we would know about

them at a later time. "

i know this incident has quite faded from memory but please take

your time and clarify if:

i) SYs are to announce Her Divine Message;

ii) the special personalities will announce Her Divine Message;

iii) SYs and special personalities will announce Her Divine Message;

iv) the special personalities will announce Her Divine Message if

SYs do not.

Given the evidence that the WCASY has edited Her Divine Messsage out

of Sahaja Yoga and is now actively engaged in suppressing any SY or

website that does not follow its official SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle

System Religion), it is of paramount importance to bear witness as

to what Shri Mataji told SYs more than a decade ago at Sydney

Airport, Australia. Future seekers will be able to draw great faith,

courage, strength and nourishment from the fact that SM did tell of

a great blessing to mankind that would confirm Her incarnation. You

can help drive the final nail into the WCASY coffin.

warmest regards,

jagbir

Note: i have extracted two posts just to refresh memory of the

insidious WCASY negativity that works relentlessly to destroy what

Shri Mataji regards as a great blessing to mankind:

Axis of Evil - John Noyce, Ed Saugstad and Alan Wherry

/message/6573

Dear Kyyan,

Thank you for this evidence that the Inquisytion, headquartered in

Vancouver, is as active as ever. i wanted to tell you earlier that

i believed the so-called Austrian SY is John Noyce (but wanted to

wait for PART 2). It is the sneaky signature trademark of this WCASY

vigilante and self-professed 'scholar', peddling $1.00 knowledge on

the internet, to hide behind false IDs. He has no compulsion to use

stealth and trickery to achieve his end. It is his deviant belief

that he is (sneakily) following in Shri Krishna's footsteps.

We all know about his partner in crime Ed Saugstad. Just touching

him with a 10-foot pole will cause your Sahasrara to seize. You

don't want to mess with someone who can summon deities with a snap

of his fingers.

The other is our World Council member Alan Wherry, a crossbreed

between JN and ES. (i enjoyed his mail to Viktor Bondar about me and

the websites and was touched by his Sahaj Love that WCASY trumpets

as the very basis of the organization - Thanks Alan.) Both the later

are emboldened to act with impunity since having the patronage and

tacit support of a World Council member is all they need.

Together they form the Axis of Evil and are in charge of the

Inquisytion ever since Yogi Mahajan was booted out.

i will wait for PART 2 before submitting my forensic report. My

pranaam to you Kyyan for standing up for the Truth. i believe the

Inquisytion will now come after you and deluge you with Sahaj Love.

That is the price you will have to pay for demanding so-called self-

realized souls be honest, conscientious and upfront in discharging

their duty to humanity without fear or favor, just as Shri Mataji

has been doing ever since the 70s.

Jai Shri Ganapathi,

jagbir

---------------------

So John... you " do " spy and report on Sahaja Yogis!!! "

/message/6590

Dear All,

It seems that the religious leaders who really love to dominate and

be in charge also do not want others to possess what they themselves

lack. i am talking about the mystical experience.

'Our John' has a most avid fascination with the mystical experiences

of the saints of the past (meaning those who have already died and

gone to heaven). He has gathered information about these for Sahaja

Yogis to read and enjoy. You could say that he has kind of put

himself in charge of the Mystical Department of Sahaja Yoga.

Yet... " most curiously " ... his avid fascination does not extend

itself to the mystical experiences of Kash, Arwinder, and Lalita

(well not in the positive sense, anyway)... because at every turn he

has basically 'pooh-poohed' their mystical experiences. Once... when

i made reference to it on this forum... he warned me off with a

personal email. That is how i know this.)

Since John is so interested in mystical experiences, i wonder if he

has ever had one himself. Mystical experiences are really

just " inner knowing " or " gnosis " . It is a knowledge that is given

from within by our Spirit. Shri Mataji has said that Sahaja Yoga is

a gnostic experience... a " within " experience. So... how can

John make that judgment about Kash, Arwinder and Lalita... when he

was not there. What makes John an expert in this field? Not unless

he has had a mystical experience himself, can he have any real

knowledge of such things.

So... when John is " pooh-poohing " these Sahaja Yogis, who are giving

evidence through that... that Shri Mataji on Earth is the

Incarnation of the Adi Shakti/Holy Spirit/Comforter... it is a grave

error he is committing to 'knock' that mystical experience. It is

okay if he disbelieves it himself but he did not leave it 'at that'.

He has gone to extreme lengths to make sure that all Sahaja Yogis

will also disbelieve... what " he " cannot accept is possible.

He does not even want anyone to read about these and judge for

themselves. That is the thing. He does not agree with it, and has

correspondingly kind of made himself a judge, jury, and executioner,

with a well-organised and worldwide murmuring campaign against these

innocent Sahaja Yogis. (Of course... if you are only following

orders from higher up, John... we will be happy to have your

evidence). In that case you are still following the `blind leaders

of the blind' though. I could really envision a much better role for

you, dear John. You have many organisational talents and they could

be used for positive purposes of promotion rather than this

'negative non-promotion' of the Holy Spirit within the Sahasrara.

John has also been instrumental in preventing knowledge of this

forum and Jagbir's websites. As already stated... these websites are

based upon the mystical experiences of children. (It is obvious that

this has happened through children, because children are usually

more innocent than adults, and I believe it was not expected that

children would be as likely to be disbelieved, because children tend

to be most truthful; even embarrassing their parents with their

truthfulness at times.) Therefore, you should have allowed SY's to

have the benefit that you had, John... and that was for them to

decide for themselves and judge for themselves... whether 'what

Kash, Arwinder and Lalita have contributed to Sahaja Yoga'... is

beautiful and beneficial... or whether it is not. We on this forum

know it is beautiful and beneficial, although you do not know this.

Sahaja Yogis do have the spiritual vibrations and intuition to

decipher these things for themselves, you know. Why are you then

trying to do this for them? That is not your job!

Of course... if SY's succumb to your dominating opinion (and those

of other dominating Sahaja Yogis) who have gained power

administratively and therefore can dictate these opinion as " Gospel

Truth " to be accepted by others... 'hook, line, and sinker'... well

then... that is obviously an " organisational tragedy and travesty of

spiritual justice " of major proportions, especially when Shri

Mataji is revealing something that is vital to know. It is persons

like your self who have been instrumental in this.

This is not going to continue. We have now set up this Information

Department, so that yogis can be warned, once they find us. Many

things will become comprehensible to them once they read what is

written on these forums. Readers of this forum agree that what we

write on this forum... is true. When they are not sure... like

Kyyan, they find out for themselves, and are surprised that

what we write... " is truth " . You see you just cannot run away from

the Truth of Shri Mataji and the truth that surrounds each one of

us. You cannot suppress, gag, and dominate Sahaja Yogis. It will not

work... in the long run. You will not be successful at the end of

the day in what you are doing... for whatever motive you are doing

it.

I also think that you have been a little bit greedy and selfish,

too, John... when you have been on this forum for so long and

imbibed the spiritual nourishment for yourself... yet prevented

others from enjoying the same. (Remember... when we talked on the

telephone, and you told me you were on the forum not for the purpose

of `keeping an eye on us'?) I " know " you enjoyed being there! We are

brothers and sisters and that is why you enjoyed being there. Lets

face it. You actually do like us, which is why you could also called

Jagbir 'Jagbirji' at times.

With the fact that i have seen you write " Jagbirji " on occasion...

which is a term of affection or endearment, i have something to say.

How can you... on the one hand address him affectionately

as " Jagbirji " ... and on the other hand work against his work for

Shri Mataji? Especially, when you are doing one thing upfront, and

the other thing behind his back? You seem to be in a double mind or

double identity or something like that. Your words and your actions

just don't gel. Two and Two are just not making " Four " .

And what about all those multiple I.D.'s? Why did you need so many

of them? What was their purpose? You have definitely led a most

interesting and secretive double Sahaj Life... I must say! You even

had me 'going a bit' with that " Rkarya " I.D. (or something like

that, anyway)... on the Shri Adi Shakti Forum which is not

operational anymore. i really thought you were some Academic

Professor and i was going to get in trouble for publishing that

beautiful " Mother of the Millennium " piece that i got from the

Sahaja Yoga Newsletter... which i think you were responsible for

getting there in the first place. And then you played a 'cat and

mouse' game with me, and i did not know you were John Noyce. That

was funny. i kind of enjoyed that... i guess. Except when you know

who i am, but i don't know who you are... it is not really a

level 'playing field'... is it?!

Anyway... going back to 1999 in Burwood, Sydney... I just want it

known that the very fact that Jagbir's information was published in

the Australian Newsletter meant that Sahaja Yogis felt no bad

vibrations regarding Jagbir and accepted his lovely contributions as

loving brothers and sisters do. So here is an excerpt from the

Australian Newsletter on 10 December 1999, where Jagbir shares with

Sahaja Yogis. (It is obvious that at this time... that John Noyce,

Ed Saugstaad and Alan Wherry had not yet taken charge of the

Mystical Department of Sahaja Yoga, but most probably were making

plans to do so, including John making a substitute 'Mystical

Experiences of Past Saints' information available to the rank and

file SY's. I am not saying this was consciously done, but it

happened... nonetheless. So here is the excerpt that I have taken

from the Australian Sahaja Newsletter from Burwood, Sydney in 1999.

(i did not know who Jagbir was then.): -

(Excerpt – Australian Sahaja Newsletter – 10 December, 1999)

Dear Sahaja Yogis,

Jai Shri Mataji!

Our American leader Manoj at the Virata Puja, Cabella, gave Shri

Mataji the text of this book. She was very pleased and said that it

will help to spread Sahaja Yoga. We have now Her blessings for its

publishing, which is already in progress, and a limited number of

copies may be available by the end of December. We are thus offering

this spiritual research over the Internet to all the devotees of

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi for a collective examination since it

will take quite a while for everyone to have their own copies.

For those with access to the internet, the address online is

http://www.afreehome.com/adishakti/book.html (not current email

address)

SHRI ADI SHAKTI: THE KINGDOM OF GOD is based on actual events, and

every single one of its 2,200 pages validates the Truth that our

Great Divine Mother Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has manifested on

Earth. It is imperative that all Sahaja Yogis receive this book

online simultaneously, before the New Millennium begins, so that

they may be able to grasp the subtle working of the Paramchaitanya

over the past six years. May all our brothers and sisters in Sahaja

Yoga bear witness to this Truth as the Millennium of Light sheds its

first faint ray. (Please check the fulfilment of 37 major prophecies

from pages 296-383).

CONTENTS: -

PART ONE:

The Dawn of the Divine Millennium

PART TWO:

And the Arrival of the Kingdom of God

PART THREE:

The Morning of the Spiritual Monsoon

PART FOUR:

Lord Jesus Christ, The Universal Saviour

The Antichrist And The Prince of Carnal Life

The Book of Revelation

PART FIVE:

Shri Buddha, The Awakened One

The Tao of Shri Tao-Tzu

The Aykaa Mayee of Guru Nanak

PART SIX:

Prophet Muhammad, The Messenger of God

The Holy Qur'an, Revelation Par Excellence

The Sure Signs of Allah

The Good News of Qiyamah

Iblis The Great Deceiver

PART SEVEN:

The Missing Years

The New Age Pimps

The Prophecies of Nostradamus

" Once this book is out all over the world, it will be known about

our Work. We'll not be challenged any more. But still we have to see

for ourselves, that if we have this kind of recognition or not...

our capabilities should be up to that. "

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

You Must Develop Humility, Shri Adi Shakti Puja

Cabella, Italy – May 21, 1998

Welcome to the Millennium of the Spirit, the Millennium of the Great

Adi Shakti Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi.

Merry Christmas and Peace on Earth.

Jagbir Singh

Things went wrong somehow... though. i don't know what year it was

but I heard murmurings and rumours in Burwood Ashram by

only " certain yogis " that this " Jagbir fellow " had a `bit of an

ego'. Also... there was mention made about fighting some anti-Sahaja

Yogis, and somehow 'this Jagbir fellow' was involved too, but " they "

were saying that they wanted John to take charge over Jagbir.

(At that time, i knew nothing; i was an 'innocent' in Sahaj

Politics).

Then John Noyce was somehow brought forward to be the Advance Guard

for Sahaja Yogis. He would fight all the negativity of the anti-

Sahaja Yogis and he was given the `green light' to use whatever

methods he could to put a stop to their negative attacks. This forum

is inactive today. Somehow, though... in all this `millieu'...

Jagbir, Kash, Arwinder and Lalita also became the `bad guys' of

Sahaja Yoga instead of the 'good guys' (which they really are).

One thing I do know about John, and this is that he has a bad Right

Vishuddhi catch. This has been reported to me by other yogis, and i

have felt it from John myself... especially when i was a victim of

his 'Kyyan treatment'...(the " Inquisition Treatment " )... Jagbir

calls it. There are an increasing number of Sahaja Yogis now John...

who are rising up and putting a stop to what you are doing. We

reckon that transparency and truth will do the job, rather than

hiding behind various I.D.'s as you have been doing.

So now i have come to the real reason for this email, and it is a

message to John: -

" John when I asked you over the telephone if you are on this forum

to keep an eye on Sahaja Yogis, you laughed at me and denied it.

Now... Kyyan has provided evidence and therefore proof that you have

been doing that all along. You have done it to me too, John. How

could you do this? Don't you know that you are torturing and

persecuting your brother and sister Sahaja Yogis? i love your

" real you... your Spirit " , but i do not like nor approve of your

actions. i am asking you as a Sahaj Sister to please!... " in the

Name of God Almighty " ... stop these wrong actions of yours. These

actions are not good for you or anyone else. They achieve absolutely

nothing at all, and only cause problems. It will definitely not be

good for your spiritual ascent to continue in this manner (and

i mean this most sincerely and send you my Sahaja love, and i know

this love is not a particularly pleasant form of it... but i do care

and i do hope that you will see that your actions are wrong, and

change them. That would make me very happy. You can be a part of us

here again, if you change your ways. We forgive you. You do have a

beauty in your Spirit. Please strive for that, and forget

everything else.)

love and best wishes to all,

violet

October 5, 2006

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

> Violet, can you clarify the slight tension between Shri Mataji:

>

> i) telling SYs they must announce Her Message or else outsiders will

> do it;

> ii) informing SYs there are already " special personalities " in

> Montreal, Canada who will do so and " that there was nothing that we

> needed to do about that information, but that we would know about

> them at a later time. "

Dear Jagbir,

i remember very clearly that in 1993 most SYs (including myself) were waiting

expectantly for the Sahaj leadership to put the collective desire into action

and officially announce Shri Mataji's Message to the world... which SM asked us

to do. This had not yet been forthcoming at that time, inspite of a lot of

promises given to SM as well as many bandhans and shoebeats, etc. to destroy any

negativity that was preventing this announcement. In 1993, myself and other SYs

entrusted the leaders to organise this for us and we still had hope then... that

the official announcement would happen. Many of us felt that once the SY

leadership announced Her Message officially... then we would all be in a much

better position to give Her eschatological message... individually or

collectively.

When Shri Mataji told us at Sydney Airport in 1993 (i believe it was) that

" special personalities " from Montreal, Canada would " give evidence " of Her

Incarnation... that should have given the SY Leadership great confidence to

announce Her Message with the knowledge that " evidence " of Her Incarnation would

be forthcoming. However... it seems to me that the leadership " especially " ...

did not take this information 'on board' in a realistic way. i think it was all

a bit 'unreal' to them somehow. (i guess you could say it was kind of 'unreal'

to us all. We had absolutely no idea what this " evidence " that SM talked about

would consist of. We had no idea there was going to be this amazing mystical

knowledge that She was going to reveal!)

Jagbir... you have asked what the tension between SY leadership/followers and

Shri Mataji was in relation to your abovementioned points i) and ii):

i felt that any 'possible resultant guilt' that the SY leadership might have had

for 'not officially announcing Shri Mataji's Message'... despite Her repeated

pleas to do so... seemed to be assuaged by their mutual reassurance that:

" Mother is again being a mother by gently chiding us... just like She always

does and whatever we do... we know that She will always love us and forgive

us... just like She always does. " (Even SM many times said that we took

advantage of Her " motherliness " . Whenever She needed to, She reminded us that no

other guru would have tolerated what She tolerates.)

Therefore i feel that SY Leadership/followers did not take responsibility for

officially announcing Her Message because... just like children... they probably

thought they would get away with it. In any case, they just seemed to put

announcing Her Message in the " too-hard-basket " . (Please understand that not all

SYs took advantage of Shri Mataji's motherly ways, however, and not all SYs felt

this way... but the leadership held the sway ( " the say " )... so if a SY felt

differently that was " their " problem... as i know you also have experienced...

Jagbir.)

What they forgot, however... is that there is a time when even a mother has to

finally put her foot down too... and it is not as if SM didn't warn and admonish

them about this task that needed to be done. She gave SYs within the

organisation every chance and encouraged them at every turn to do this vital

job. However... i had the distinct feeling that many SYs thought that She was

just 'gently teasing' them all the while and i am sure they did not believe that

SM would ever give this vital job over to " others from outside the organisation

of SY " ... as She threatened to do in Her Motherly Way. (At that time, i did not

think that would happen either.)

i feel that the reality of the situation did not really sink into the

consciousness of SY leadership/followers, as many became increasingly steeped

and entrenched in the external subtle system knowledge amd rituals that SM had

given, rather than " going deeper within " which is the gnostic knowledge which SM

had also given. Shri Mataji frequently spoke about the need for SYs to " go

deeper " . She gave the gnostic knowledge of the Adi Shakti within (the Holy

Spirit within). She also informed us that the reason She incarnated was to

introduce us to " Our Mother Within " ... who is also the most important person for

us to meet... as She is the " Christian Comforter " that Shri Jesus promised would

come.

In relation to the information that SM gave that day about " special

personalities " from Montreal, Canada... who She said would " give evidence " of

Her Incarnation... this fact 'in no way' took away the opportunity of SY

leadership/followers to be the ones to officially announce Her Message. (This is

an important point to remember.)

When i heard what SM said about these " special children " who would " give

evidence " of Her Incarnation... i put this information into my heart and mind

for a future date... when it would be important for me to remember what She

said. i knew how important it was for an Incarnation to fulfill the spiritual

eschatology (fulfill prophesies made about them). However, i don't think many SY

leadership/followers gave this important factor much thought at all. In fact, i

was actually quite appalled at their seeming ignorance in this area... at their

lack of spiritual discernment in this area! (That was why i made " double sure "

that i would remember what SM said... because i doubted that anyone else

would... given all the factors and circumstances involved that worked against

the retention of this knowledge SM gave.

Some clarifications:

When Shri Mataji said that... " if SYs do not announce Her Message from within

the organisation... that there will be others from outside the organisation that

will do so " ... this was not given in relation to the " special personalities " . It

was given separately.

So... I believe Jagbir, that it is yourself now (and the others helping you) who

are those " others outside of the organisation of SY " that are now announcing

Shri Mataji's Message. They are doing so because the SY leadership/followers

have not been " up to the task " ... which is the way SM 'put it'; She said to the

collective " We shall see if you are up to the task. "

Well... they have have not been up to the task and now Shri Mataji has given the

responsibility of this vital task to others outside of the organisation of

Sahaja Yoga... just like She warned She would do if SY leadership/followers were

not up to the task. We have evidence that SY leadership have refused to take up

this responsibility to announce Her Message officially. They have in fact failed

to do so... even to date.

However, SY leadership/followers could easily have proceeded with confidence and

faith and announced Her Message... knowing that evidence of Her Incarnation

would be forthcoming. It could all have worked out very beautifully. After

all... Shri Mataji never gave SY leadership/followers the difficult task of

" giving evidence " . All She required of them was to announce Her Message!

We know now that when the mystical evidence of Her Incarnation was given by the

" special children " that SM mentioned would come from Montreal, Canada... that

the SY leadership " especially " rejected this evidence. In fact the SY leadership

had a terrible reaction against the mystical evidence given. They even decided

that the children must be possessed! (Please be aware that not all SYs felt this

way though. Not all SYs rejected this evidence... but most SYs felt obliged to

follow/agree with the Sahaja Yoga leadership opinion... and that is why most SYs

ended up rejecting this mystical evidence also... (by defacto you could say.)

Okay... granted! The mystical evidence that these children gave as evidence of

the veracity of Shri Mataji's Incarnation must have come as quite a shock to the

ritual-steeped SY leaders/followers. Reason being that by then they were already

so steeped and entrenched into the external subtle system knowledge and all its

mental concepts that it had become " religious doctrine " in Sahaja Yoga. Yes...

clearing and cleansing rituals had become religious doctrine that had to be

followed.

What had actually happened is that the SY leadership/followers had concentrated

pretty well exclusively on all the external subtle system knowledge that Shri

Mataji had given and inspite of SM's urgings to SYs to " go deeper " ... they had

still stayed very focussed on all the external subtle system knowledge and

clearing and cleansing rituals. Therefore, the mystical knowledge that these

" special children " from Montreal, Canada gave... as evidence confirming Shri

Mataji's Incarnation... was just too much for the SY leadership/followers.

The SY leadership just could not " cope " with it. After all... what does this

mystical knowledge... this 'gnostic evidence given'... have in common with the

SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) which is a very externally based

knowledge?

Therefore... i feel that the real reason why the SY leadership have dismissed

the evidence given by these special children... is because the mystical

knowledge that has been given... is so far beyond the external subtle system

knowledge that they just cannot accept it. Not only that... but this mystical

knowledge of the Adi Shakti Within (the Holy Spirit within) really does make the

external knowledge of the subtle system and clearing practices quite

insignificant too.

After all... " gnosis " is not something that can be externally applied like the

subtle system knowledge can. That is because the mystical knowledge is an

" internal knowledge " . It is the " Union with the Divine Knowledge " ... and no

external subtle system knowledge nor external clearing and cleansing rituals can

achieve that solely from external means. It can really only be achieved " from

within " ... " by going within " . And that is what Shri Mataji tried to teach SYs...

when She repeatedly told them that they needed to " go deeper " .

i know this incident has quite faded from memory but please take

> your time and clarify if:

>

> i) SYs are to announce Her Divine Message;

> ii) the special personalities will announce Her Divine Message;

> iii) SYs and special personalities will announce Her Divine Message;

> iv) the special personalities will announce Her Divine Message if

> SYs do not.

Jagbir... it is clear to me now that the " giving of evidence " is distinct from

" the announcing of Her Message " . Until now... i had thought that they were the

one and the same, but I can see now that they are not the same. Even Shri Mataji

made mention of both... separately from each other. Therefore, I can also see

now that the SY leadership could have officially announced Her Message without

the need to give any evidence of Her Incarnation whatsoever... as Shri Mataji

had informed them that She had taken care of those details. The thing is... the

SY leadership refused to accept the mystical evidence when it did come.

Therefore, the question begs to be asked:

" What did the SY leadership/followers expect anyway? How could any evidence be

anything but mystical? It had to be mystical evidence of the Divine Within all

human beings that would be the " evidence " to confirm Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi's

Incarnation! "

Now... the sorry situation in the organisation of Sahaja Yoga is that anyone

that follows WCASY (World Council of SY Leadership) is not allowed to accept

this mystical evidence that Shri Mataji has given through these " special

children " . Moreover... anyone who wants to announce Her Message officially... is

now required to leave the organisation of SY. In the final analysis... (just as

Shri Mataji had warned back in 1993)... it is now " others from outside the

organisation of SY that are announcing Her Message. "

> Given the evidence that the WCASY has edited Her Divine Message out

> of Sahaja Yoga and is now actively engaged in suppressing any SY or

> website that does not follow its official SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle

> System Religion), it is of paramount importance to bear witness as

> to what Shri Mataji told SYs more than a decade ago at Sydney

> Airport, Australia. Future seekers will be able to draw great faith,

> courage, strength and nourishment from the fact that SM did tell of

> a great blessing to mankind that would confirm Her incarnation. You

> can help drive the final nail into the WCASY coffin.

Jagbir... i also trust that future seekers will be able to draw great faith,

courage, strength and nourishment from the fact that Shri Mataji did tell of a

great blessing to mankind that would confirm Her Incarnation. Although WCASY

(and their followers) have rejected this great blessing... it is going out

nonetheless. All seekers and future seekers will come to know about it, and

neither WCASY or their followers can prevent Her Message from going out... just

as Shri Mataji wanted it.

violet

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> Dear Violet,

>

> The homepage of http://adishakti.org reads:

>

> " In 1993 Shri Mataji disclosed at the Sydney International Airport,

> Australia that if Her Message (of the Last Judgment and

> Resurrection) is not given from within the Sahaja Yoga organization,

> She had people to give it from without. Her exact words by one of

> those who heard Her speaking at the airport: " If SY's are not up to

> it " ... (Her Message would be given) ... " by people from outside of

> the Organization " . "

>

> i feel there is a need for clarification of the issue - venue, time,

> place, what was said, other SYs present etc. - and would much

> appreciate if you can help me do so:

>

> >

> > i now have something of interest to tell you... Jagbir... as well.

> > Only it is such a vague memory, that i can only give an indication

> > of it. i will tell what i can vaguely remember: -

> >

> > i recall Shri Mataji telling in person because i heard Her speak

it

> > and (i can't exactly remember the venue), but it was in Sydney,

> > Australia somewhere, and it was either the third-last or the

> > second-last major visit to Australia. The date therefore was

> > between 1993-1995-6).

> >

> > Anyway, She told the group of Sahaja Yogis that there were two

> > " special personalities " who either would be born or were to be

born

> > in Montreal, Canada (i can't remember which it was)... so please

> > bear with me on that account. i think She said something about

> > them being children at the time, or one was born, and the

> > other 'yet to be born'. (i just can't remember which it is.)

> >

> > (Btw. the reason i remember the place as being Montreal, Canada,

is

> > because i come from Canada too, and i agreed wholeheartedly that

> > Canada should be so blessed to have such " special personalities "

> > born there, and i visualised this in my mind, as being Montreal

> > Canada at the time, and pondered on that, and felt very happy for

> > the country of my birth... being blessed too.)

> >

> > In any case, according to Shri Mataji, their incarnation (of these

> > two) would be that they are " special personalities " which would

> > give a great blessing to mankind because they would confirm Her

> > (Shri Mataji's Incarnation). i will even go as far as saying that

> > Shri Mataji might have said that they too, were some kind of a

> > special incarnation, but i am not sure... but i think that was

> > what Shri Mataji was saying. (It seemed like that to " me " , anyway,

> > but i could have misunderstood Her; it could be that by

> > saying " special personality, i only understood it " myself " as some

> > kind of special incarnation).

> >

> > She also said that they were yet to grow up and that we would not

> > really hear much about them until they were older. She also said

> > something about them not actually being in the Organisation of

> > Sahaja Yoga itself, but they would be doing a separate job... a

> > job about giving confirmation of Her Incarnation. Shri Mataji said

> > that She only needed to mention this, and that there was nothing

> > that we needed to do about that information, but that we would

> > know about them at a later time.

> >

> > (Jagbir this memory came back because you revealed that your

> > children are " angels " according to the Revelations of the Shakti.

> > That triggered this memory, which was there somewhere in the

> > background since 1993-1996) but which i had hidden.

> >

> > What Shri Mataji told was most enigmatic for me. For a start,

> > children who had yet to grow up; then people who were not even in

> > the Organisation of SY; then confirming that Shri Mataji is an

> > Incarnation...what is that all about? There were too many unknown

> > factors, plus the fact that Shri Mataji was so casual about it,

and

> > said it was not necessary to do anything about that; that time

> > would reveal everything.

> >

> > Can you blame me for being so vague, then, with all these what i

> > would call quite 'wishy-washy' type of information, which seemed

to

> > have little relevance for me at the time... and then also being

> > told that we do not need to have any concern about it. No wonder

> > my memory is vague, and not only that, " special personalities " is

> > not a thing Shri Mataji talked about really. She said everyone was

> > special, so that was another reason, i never remembered this till

> > you mentioned the word about Kash and Lalita being " angels " . That

> > obviously triggered this " special personalities " memory that Shri

> > Mataji told that day. i am sure most SY's won't remember either,

> > because these seemed like such petty details at that time, and

> > really meant very little to us Sahaja Yogis. There was no

> > understanding by myself also. Who would understand such a thing?!)

> >

> > So... i thought i would tell you this, then... of what i have

> > remembered about Shri Mataji having told us. i can tell you i

would

> > never have remembered this, if you had not told the " angel " word.

> >

>

>

> Violet, can you clarify the slight tension between Shri Mataji:

>

> i) telling SYs they must announce Her Message or else outsiders will

> do it;

> ii) informing SYs there are already " special personalities " in

> Montreal, Canada who will do so and " that there was nothing that we

> needed to do about that information, but that we would know about

> them at a later time. "

>

> i know this incident has quite faded from memory but please take

> your time and clarify if:

>

> i) SYs are to announce Her Divine Message;

> ii) the special personalities will announce Her Divine Message;

> iii) SYs and special personalities will announce Her Divine Message;

> iv) the special personalities will announce Her Divine Message if

> SYs do not.

>

> Given the evidence that the WCASY has edited Her Divine Messsage out

> of Sahaja Yoga and is now actively engaged in suppressing any SY or

> website that does not follow its official SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle

> System Religion), it is of paramount importance to bear witness as

> to what Shri Mataji told SYs more than a decade ago at Sydney

> Airport, Australia. Future seekers will be able to draw great faith,

> courage, strength and nourishment from the fact that SM did tell of

> a great blessing to mankind that would confirm Her incarnation. You

> can help drive the final nail into the WCASY coffin.

>

> warmest regards,

>

> jagbir

>

> Note: i have extracted two posts just to refresh memory of the

> insidious WCASY negativity that works relentlessly to destroy what

> Shri Mataji regards as a great blessing to mankind:

>

> Axis of Evil - John Noyce, Ed Saugstad and Alan Wherry

> /message/6573

>

> Dear Kyyan,

>

> Thank you for this evidence that the Inquisytion, headquartered in

> Vancouver, is as active as ever. i wanted to tell you earlier that

> i believed the so-called Austrian SY is John Noyce (but wanted to

> wait for PART 2). It is the sneaky signature trademark of this WCASY

> vigilante and self-professed 'scholar', peddling $1.00 knowledge on

> the internet, to hide behind false IDs. He has no compulsion to use

> stealth and trickery to achieve his end. It is his deviant belief

> that he is (sneakily) following in Shri Krishna's footsteps.

>

> We all know about his partner in crime Ed Saugstad. Just touching

> him with a 10-foot pole will cause your Sahasrara to seize. You

> don't want to mess with someone who can summon deities with a snap

> of his fingers.

>

> The other is our World Council member Alan Wherry, a crossbreed

> between JN and ES. (i enjoyed his mail to Viktor Bondar about me and

> the websites and was touched by his Sahaj Love that WCASY trumpets

> as the very basis of the organization - Thanks Alan.) Both the later

> are emboldened to act with impunity since having the patronage and

> tacit support of a World Council member is all they need.

>

> Together they form the Axis of Evil and are in charge of the

> Inquisytion ever since Yogi Mahajan was booted out.

>

> i will wait for PART 2 before submitting my forensic report. My

> pranaam to you Kyyan for standing up for the Truth. i believe the

> Inquisytion will now come after you and deluge you with Sahaj Love.

> That is the price you will have to pay for demanding so-called self-

> realized souls be honest, conscientious and upfront in discharging

> their duty to humanity without fear or favor, just as Shri Mataji

> has been doing ever since the 70s.

>

> Jai Shri Ganapathi,

>

> jagbir

>

> ---------------------

>

> So John... you " do " spy and report on Sahaja Yogis!!! "

> /message/6590

>

> Dear All,

>

> It seems that the religious leaders who really love to dominate and

> be in charge also do not want others to possess what they themselves

> lack. i am talking about the mystical experience.

>

> 'Our John' has a most avid fascination with the mystical experiences

> of the saints of the past (meaning those who have already died and

> gone to heaven). He has gathered information about these for Sahaja

> Yogis to read and enjoy. You could say that he has kind of put

> himself in charge of the Mystical Department of Sahaja Yoga.

>

> Yet... " most curiously " ... his avid fascination does not extend

> itself to the mystical experiences of Kash, Arwinder, and Lalita

> (well not in the positive sense, anyway)... because at every turn he

> has basically 'pooh-poohed' their mystical experiences. Once... when

> i made reference to it on this forum... he warned me off with a

> personal email. That is how i know this.)

>

> Since John is so interested in mystical experiences, i wonder if he

> has ever had one himself. Mystical experiences are really

> just " inner knowing " or " gnosis " . It is a knowledge that is given

> from within by our Spirit. Shri Mataji has said that Sahaja Yoga is

> a gnostic experience... a " within " experience. So... how can

> John make that judgment about Kash, Arwinder and Lalita... when he

> was not there. What makes John an expert in this field? Not unless

> he has had a mystical experience himself, can he have any real

> knowledge of such things.

>

> So... when John is " pooh-poohing " these Sahaja Yogis, who are giving

> evidence through that... that Shri Mataji on Earth is the

> Incarnation of the Adi Shakti/Holy Spirit/Comforter... it is a grave

> error he is committing to 'knock' that mystical experience. It is

> okay if he disbelieves it himself but he did not leave it 'at that'.

> He has gone to extreme lengths to make sure that all Sahaja Yogis

> will also disbelieve... what " he " cannot accept is possible.

>

> He does not even want anyone to read about these and judge for

> themselves. That is the thing. He does not agree with it, and has

> correspondingly kind of made himself a judge, jury, and executioner,

> with a well-organised and worldwide murmuring campaign against these

> innocent Sahaja Yogis. (Of course... if you are only following

> orders from higher up, John... we will be happy to have your

> evidence). In that case you are still following the `blind leaders

> of the blind' though. I could really envision a much better role for

> you, dear John. You have many organisational talents and they could

> be used for positive purposes of promotion rather than this

> 'negative non-promotion' of the Holy Spirit within the Sahasrara.

>

> John has also been instrumental in preventing knowledge of this

> forum and Jagbir's websites. As already stated... these websites are

> based upon the mystical experiences of children. (It is obvious that

> this has happened through children, because children are usually

> more innocent than adults, and I believe it was not expected that

> children would be as likely to be disbelieved, because children tend

> to be most truthful; even embarrassing their parents with their

> truthfulness at times.) Therefore, you should have allowed SY's to

> have the benefit that you had, John... and that was for them to

> decide for themselves and judge for themselves... whether 'what

> Kash, Arwinder and Lalita have contributed to Sahaja Yoga'... is

> beautiful and beneficial... or whether it is not. We on this forum

> know it is beautiful and beneficial, although you do not know this.

> Sahaja Yogis do have the spiritual vibrations and intuition to

> decipher these things for themselves, you know. Why are you then

> trying to do this for them? That is not your job!

>

> Of course... if SY's succumb to your dominating opinion (and those

> of other dominating Sahaja Yogis) who have gained power

> administratively and therefore can dictate these opinion as " Gospel

> Truth " to be accepted by others... 'hook, line, and sinker'... well

> then... that is obviously an " organisational tragedy and travesty of

> spiritual justice " of major proportions, especially when Shri

> Mataji is revealing something that is vital to know. It is persons

> like your self who have been instrumental in this.

>

> This is not going to continue. We have now set up this Information

> Department, so that yogis can be warned, once they find us. Many

> things will become comprehensible to them once they read what is

> written on these forums. Readers of this forum agree that what we

> write on this forum... is true. When they are not sure... like

> Kyyan, they find out for themselves, and are surprised that

> what we write... " is truth " . You see you just cannot run away from

> the Truth of Shri Mataji and the truth that surrounds each one of

> us. You cannot suppress, gag, and dominate Sahaja Yogis. It will not

> work... in the long run. You will not be successful at the end of

> the day in what you are doing... for whatever motive you are doing

> it.

>

> I also think that you have been a little bit greedy and selfish,

> too, John... when you have been on this forum for so long and

> imbibed the spiritual nourishment for yourself... yet prevented

> others from enjoying the same. (Remember... when we talked on the

> telephone, and you told me you were on the forum not for the purpose

> of `keeping an eye on us'?) I " know " you enjoyed being there! We are

> brothers and sisters and that is why you enjoyed being there. Lets

> face it. You actually do like us, which is why you could also called

> Jagbir 'Jagbirji' at times.

>

> With the fact that i have seen you write " Jagbirji " on occasion...

> which is a term of affection or endearment, i have something to say.

> How can you... on the one hand address him affectionately

> as " Jagbirji " ... and on the other hand work against his work for

> Shri Mataji? Especially, when you are doing one thing upfront, and

> the other thing behind his back? You seem to be in a double mind or

> double identity or something like that. Your words and your actions

> just don't gel. Two and Two are just not making " Four " .

>

> And what about all those multiple I.D.'s? Why did you need so many

> of them? What was their purpose? You have definitely led a most

> interesting and secretive double Sahaj Life... I must say! You even

> had me 'going a bit' with that " Rkarya " I.D. (or something like

> that, anyway)... on the Shri Adi Shakti Forum which is not

> operational anymore. i really thought you were some Academic

> Professor and i was going to get in trouble for publishing that

> beautiful " Mother of the Millennium " piece that i got from the

> Sahaja Yoga Newsletter... which i think you were responsible for

> getting there in the first place. And then you played a 'cat and

> mouse' game with me, and i did not know you were John Noyce. That

> was funny. i kind of enjoyed that... i guess. Except when you know

> who i am, but i don't know who you are... it is not really a

> level 'playing field'... is it?!

>

> Anyway... going back to 1999 in Burwood, Sydney... I just want it

> known that the very fact that Jagbir's information was published in

> the Australian Newsletter meant that Sahaja Yogis felt no bad

> vibrations regarding Jagbir and accepted his lovely contributions as

> loving brothers and sisters do. So here is an excerpt from the

> Australian Newsletter on 10 December 1999, where Jagbir shares with

> Sahaja Yogis. (It is obvious that at this time... that John Noyce,

> Ed Saugstaad and Alan Wherry had not yet taken charge of the

> Mystical Department of Sahaja Yoga, but most probably were making

> plans to do so, including John making a substitute 'Mystical

> Experiences of Past Saints' information available to the rank and

> file SY's. I am not saying this was consciously done, but it

> happened... nonetheless. So here is the excerpt that I have taken

> from the Australian Sahaja Newsletter from Burwood, Sydney in 1999.

> (i did not know who Jagbir was then.): -

>

> (Excerpt – Australian Sahaja Newsletter – 10 December, 1999)

>

> Dear Sahaja Yogis,

>

> Jai Shri Mataji!

>

> Our American leader Manoj at the Virata Puja, Cabella, gave Shri

> Mataji the text of this book. She was very pleased and said that it

> will help to spread Sahaja Yoga. We have now Her blessings for its

> publishing, which is already in progress, and a limited number of

> copies may be available by the end of December. We are thus offering

> this spiritual research over the Internet to all the devotees of

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi for a collective examination since it

> will take quite a while for everyone to have their own copies.

>

> For those with access to the internet, the address online is

> http://www.afreehome.com/adishakti/book.html (not current email

> address)

>

> SHRI ADI SHAKTI: THE KINGDOM OF GOD is based on actual events, and

> every single one of its 2,200 pages validates the Truth that our

> Great Divine Mother Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has manifested on

> Earth. It is imperative that all Sahaja Yogis receive this book

> online simultaneously, before the New Millennium begins, so that

> they may be able to grasp the subtle working of the Paramchaitanya

> over the past six years. May all our brothers and sisters in Sahaja

> Yoga bear witness to this Truth as the Millennium of Light sheds its

> first faint ray. (Please check the fulfilment of 37 major prophecies

> from pages 296-383).

>

> CONTENTS: -

>

> PART ONE:

> The Dawn of the Divine Millennium

>

> PART TWO:

> And the Arrival of the Kingdom of God

>

> PART THREE:

> The Morning of the Spiritual Monsoon

>

> PART FOUR:

> Lord Jesus Christ, The Universal Saviour

> The Antichrist And The Prince of Carnal Life

> The Book of Revelation

>

> PART FIVE:

> Shri Buddha, The Awakened One

> The Tao of Shri Tao-Tzu

> The Aykaa Mayee of Guru Nanak

>

> PART SIX:

> Prophet Muhammad, The Messenger of God

> The Holy Qur'an, Revelation Par Excellence

> The Sure Signs of Allah

> The Good News of Qiyamah

> Iblis The Great Deceiver

>

> PART SEVEN:

> The Missing Years

> The New Age Pimps

> The Prophecies of Nostradamus

>

> " Once this book is out all over the world, it will be known about

> our Work. We'll not be challenged any more. But still we have to see

> for ourselves, that if we have this kind of recognition or not...

> our capabilities should be up to that. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> You Must Develop Humility, Shri Adi Shakti Puja

> Cabella, Italy – May 21, 1998

>

> Welcome to the Millennium of the Spirit, the Millennium of the Great

> Adi Shakti Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi.

>

> Merry Christmas and Peace on Earth.

>

> Jagbir Singh

>

> Things went wrong somehow... though. i don't know what year it was

> but I heard murmurings and rumours in Burwood Ashram by

> only " certain yogis " that this " Jagbir fellow " had a `bit of an

> ego'. Also... there was mention made about fighting some anti-Sahaja

> Yogis, and somehow 'this Jagbir fellow' was involved too, but " they "

> were saying that they wanted John to take charge over Jagbir.

> (At that time, i knew nothing; i was an 'innocent' in Sahaj

> Politics).

>

> Then John Noyce was somehow brought forward to be the Advance Guard

> for Sahaja Yogis. He would fight all the negativity of the anti-

> Sahaja Yogis and he was given the `green light' to use whatever

> methods he could to put a stop to their negative attacks. This forum

> is inactive today. Somehow, though... in all this `millieu'...

> Jagbir, Kash, Arwinder and Lalita also became the `bad guys' of

> Sahaja Yoga instead of the 'good guys' (which they really are).

>

> One thing I do know about John, and this is that he has a bad Right

> Vishuddhi catch. This has been reported to me by other yogis, and i

> have felt it from John myself... especially when i was a victim of

> his 'Kyyan treatment'...(the " Inquisition Treatment " )... Jagbir

> calls it. There are an increasing number of Sahaja Yogis now John...

> who are rising up and putting a stop to what you are doing. We

> reckon that transparency and truth will do the job, rather than

> hiding behind various I.D.'s as you have been doing.

>

> So now i have come to the real reason for this email, and it is a

> message to John: -

>

> " John when I asked you over the telephone if you are on this forum

> to keep an eye on Sahaja Yogis, you laughed at me and denied it.

> Now... Kyyan has provided evidence and therefore proof that you have

> been doing that all along. You have done it to me too, John. How

> could you do this? Don't you know that you are torturing and

> persecuting your brother and sister Sahaja Yogis? i love your

> " real you... your Spirit " , but i do not like nor approve of your

> actions. i am asking you as a Sahaj Sister to please!... " in the

> Name of God Almighty " ... stop these wrong actions of yours. These

> actions are not good for you or anyone else. They achieve absolutely

> nothing at all, and only cause problems. It will definitely not be

> good for your spiritual ascent to continue in this manner (and

> i mean this most sincerely and send you my Sahaja love, and i know

> this love is not a particularly pleasant form of it... but i do care

> and i do hope that you will see that your actions are wrong, and

> change them. That would make me very happy. You can be a part of us

> here again, if you change your ways. We forgive you. You do have a

> beauty in your Spirit. Please strive for that, and forget

> everything else.)

>

> love and best wishes to all,

>

> violet

>

October 6, 2006

Dear Violet,

My pranaam to you again and again for bringing into collective

remembrance a most crucial aspect of Shri Mataji's advent that had

been almost erased from memory. i really cannot put into words the

utmost importance of you making it crystal clear to all Her devotees

what Shri Mataji had promised in the mid-1990s. Violet, you have

infused new life in Her advent with all you have witnessed. That is

indeed a great blessing that will be much appreciated in the future

when SYs realize the latent negativity within the organization. It

is also a formidable weapon to destroy those possessed with such

negativity and work against what Shri Mataji regards as a great

blessing to mankind that would confirm Her incarnation.

Violet, you have brilliantly brought forth the issues most important

for SYs to comprehend. i will remark on a few after clarifying the

year Shri Mataji made those comments. There is a slight correction

needed and i don't blame you as you have already admitted that your

memory is slightly suspect. It should be Sydney Airport in 1994 and

not 1993 as Shri Mataji did not come to Australia in 1993. So i

believe that period to be between March/April 1994. While checking

this fact i also found something significant. (Please understand

again that none of us are interested in any recognition, leadership

or praise but only to clarify and give evidence of Shri Mataji

fulfilling Her word that a great blessing to mankind would confirm

Her incarnation. Without proof of this great blessing few will ever

believe that Shri Mataji is the promised Avatar/Messiah/Comforter/

Mahdi sent to deliver God Almighty's Divine Message of the Last

Judgment and Resurrection.)

On 3rd April 1994 Shri Mataji held the Easter Puja in Sydney,

Australia on the same day the second " special personality " Lalita

was born in Montreal, Canada. So She held a Puja just after

explaining about the " special personalities " but none knew She had

already set in motion the chain of events to confirm Her

incarnation. Not only did Shri Mataji make sure Kash was born on

Eid, the Muslim holiest day, but also that Lalita would be born on

the Christian holiest day. Only the Adi Shakti has the power to

accomplish such a task that is beyond any human manipulation. It is

the birth of angels in human form that is the great blessing to

mankind that would confirm Her incarnation. This is because angels

play a central role in fulfilling the eschatological expectations of

Christianity, Islam, Zoroastrianism, and Judaism:

" Angels are real, part of reality. Angels are not mythical

beings, . . . Angels are persons; they have their own personalities

and characteristics. . . . They stand before the throne of God and

praise Him. Angels are real. And they are here. . .

Islam, Christianity, Zoroastrianism, and Judaism, bring out the

important differences between good and evil spirits, between angels

and demons. They understand that angels are with God, from God, work

for God, that they are good, that they are powerful — much more

powerful than bad spirits — and that they are with us and for us. "

Robert Faricy, Italy, January 8, 1995

(Janice T. Connel, Angel Power, Ballantine Books, 1995.)

According to www.christadelphia.org/ " the English word " angel " comes

from the Greek angelos, which means 'messenger'. In the Old

Testament, with two exceptions, the Hebrew word for " angel " is

malak, also meaning 'messenger'. The Creator Himself is so powerful

and glorious that He cannot be approached in person by human beings.

He alone " hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can

approach unto: whom no man hath seen, nor can see (1 Timothy 6:16).

Angels do not have man's shortcomings, and can therefore act for God

and represent Him when communicating with men and women. They bridge

the huge gap between the holiness and perfection of God in heaven

and the shortcomings of dying people on this planet. Angels were

made immortal (that is, never to die). Their eternal quality was

spoken of by Jesus when he said: " They which shall be accounted

worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead,

neither marry, nor are given in marriage: neither can they die any

more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of

God. being the children of the resurrection. " (Luke 20:35.36)

" Angels are unseen creatures of light created by Allah to act as

intermediaries between Him and the visible world. The Islamic

concepts of creation, revelation, prophecy, events that occur in the

world, worship, the spiritual life, death, resurrection, and the

central position of man in the cosmos cannot be understood without

reference to the angels.

Belief in angels is one of the six pillars of belief or faith

without which there is no faith.... Angels are assigned certain

functions. These functions include delivering the revelation from

Allah to whomever He wishes among His prophets. "

www.islamonline.net/

>

> In 1993, myself and other SYs entrusted the leaders to organise

> this for us and we still had hope then... that the official

> announcement would happen. Many of us felt that once the SY

> leadership announced Her Message officially... then we would all

> be in a much better position to give Her eschatological message...

> individually or collectively.

>

It is obvious that SYs today " would all be in a much better position

to give Her eschatological message... individually or collectively. "

If they had just followed Shri Mataji's request and announced Her

Message officially in 1994 we would have been in a far better

position today. Shri Mataji had everything lined up to ensure that

success. Alas, our leaders failed miserably and this is one of the

greatest negativity to engulf SYs. Today we are witnessing the sad

legacy of missing out on the greatest opportunity to spread Her

Message, notwithstanding the fact that events were triggered by Her

well in advance of the New Millennium that many were expected to

bring forth tremendous spiritual changes on Earth. It is indeed

heartbreaking to see how our leaders squandered YEARS of golden

opportunities and spreading ugly rumors that the children were

possessed and family craving attention and that SYs should not

listen to anything they say or, better still, shun them. It was our

disgraced and expelled world leader Yogi Mahajan who in the 1990s

personally targeted the " special personalities " and ensured they

were regarded as demonic and their character assassinated the moment

he found out they were visiting the Adi Shakti in their Sahasraras

daily. Since he wielded enormous influence as Shri Mataji's right-

hand man, it was so easy for him to get other leaders and sidekicks

to spread this negativity. The rest is history. But even though YM

has been expelled Alan Wherry, John Noyce, Ed Saugstad and others

have taken over.

>

> (i guess you could say it was kind of 'unreal' to us all. We had

> absolutely no idea what this " evidence " that SM talked about would

> consist of. We had no idea there was going to be this amazing

> mystical knowledge that She was going to reveal!)

>

Violet, no one knew what evidence the incarnation of the Adi Shakti

was going to manifest. If i had heard Her speaking nothing too would

have prepared me for the amazing mystical knowledge. What we all

should realize is that of all the revelations it is the irrefutable

proof of Her existence within the Sahasarara (Kingdom of God) of all

humans that is most vital for humanity. Every religion, scripture

and messenger upholds this collective truth and that is where future

seekers will participate in the Great Event by seeking the Divine

within - the Kingdom of God (Christianity), Sahasrara Chakra

(Hinduism), Dsam Dwar (Sikhism), 1000 Petal Lotus (Buddhism), Kether

(Judaism) or Regions in their Souls (Islam). That it is possible to

pursue this inner world beyond everyday physical reality is now

backed by incontrovertible evidence. The religious empires will

crumble into sand as more and more humans learn how to become their

own masters and seek the Divine within in order to attain

immortality. Only the Adi Shakti (Spirit/Ruh) can reveal such

mystical knowledge!

>

> Therefore i feel that SY Leadership/followers did not take

> responsibility for officially announcing Her Message because...

> just like children... they probably thought they would get away

> with it. In any case, they just seemed to put announcing Her

> Message in the " too-hard-basket " . (Please understand that not all

> SYs took advantage of Shri Mataji's motherly ways, however, and

> not all SYs felt this way... but the leadership held the sway

> ( " the say " )... so if a SY felt differently that was " their "

> problem... as i know you also have experienced... Jagbir.)

>

i blame SYs far less than the SY leadership for not taking the

responsibility for officially announcing Her Message. When i was in

the Montreal collective i found that all were dead against

announcing Her Message. But i kept on reminding them every few

months or so because i knew the intense opposition and fear all had.

None ever gave any reason, only that SYs have been told " We should

only give self-realization " . It is obvious that SY leaders made sure

this policy was strictly implemented and followed by all. There was

no room for dissent.

But now i am holding SYs too to the task. Why are they not

discharging their duties when all they need to do is point seekers

to http://adishakti.org? There is nothing else to do as everything

from Her Message to self-realization has been taken care. There is

just no better way of fulfilling dharma and discharging their sacred

duty to humanity and the Divine. The website records all evidence of

a great blessing to mankind that would confirm Her incarnation, and

much more. Why are SYs now following the SY leadership that neither

wants to declare Her Message nor want others to do so to? How else

will Shri Mataji establish Sahaja Yoga before She leaves? They

should know that for years " She gave SYs within the organisation

every chance and encouraged them at every turn to do this vital job. "

>

> i feel that the reality of the situation did not really sink into

> the consciousness of SY leadership/followers, as many became

> increasingly steeped and entrenched in the external subtle system

> knowledge and rituals that SM had given, rather than " going deeper

> within " which is the gnostic knowledge which SM had also given.

>

i also believe that by the 1990s SY leadership/followers were far

too engrossed in the subtle system. But without the deep knowledge

and unshakeable faith in Her Divine Message what else could they

offer new seekers? The only way was to expand the limited subtle

system approach with emphasis on catches, cures, diet, bhoots, UPIs

etc. Over the years/decades innovation and experimentation gave way

to a rampant and confusing corruption of a minor subject that was

advertised as the heart and soul of Sahaja Yoga. In such an

atmosphere everything else was irrelevant. The collective mindset

became fossilized. Thus mystical knowledge had nothing in common

with the subtle system and subtle system experts regarded such

experiences to be caused by possession. Whatever the children

declared was regarded as useless mental garbage. No SY

leadership/followers had the clarity of mind to even vaguely

remember Shri Mataji's telling them that " special personalities "

will give evidence and confirm Her Incarnation.

>

> In relation to the information that SM gave that day about " special

> personalities " from Montreal, Canada... who She said would " give

> evidence " of Her Incarnation... this fact 'in no way' took away

> the opportunity of SY leadership/followers to be the ones to

> officially announce Her Message. (This is an important point to

> remember.)

>

Absolutely true Violet! Sahaja Yoga was established long before

the " special personalities " arrived to confirm Her incarnation. SY

leadership/followers were Her frontrunners entrusted to carry out

Her Message and advent. At that time i was drinking, smoking and

enjoying all the vices available and my children were not even born.

The SY leadership/followers had all the time in the world to

accomplish the task handed to them. Shri Mataji repeatedly reminded

them of their responsibilities. Sometimes She spoke with a sense of

urgency and expected Her devotees to rise to the occasion.

i just responded when my time came. After all, the incarnation of

the Adi Shakti had come fully prepared and armed with the powers

required for the task given to Her. ............ and thousands of

miles away my children began to give mystical evidence that Shri

Mataji Nirmala Devi is the incarnation of the Divine Mother. i just

recorded what was witnessed and discharged my duties accordingly.

All of us performed our duties as Shri Mataji had expected. Even

though i was an alcoholic wallowing in vice the Divine Mother awoke

and enlightened me into complete submission. She made Kash, Arwinder

and Lalita bear witness of Herself in their Sahasraras. Why are we

still crucified for something that is beyond our control and is

completely Her undertaking?

>

> In fact, i was actually quite appalled at their seeming

> ignorance in this area... at their lack of spiritual discernment

> in this area! That was why i made " double sure " that i would

> remember what SM said... because i doubted that anyone else

> would... given all the factors and circumstances involved that

> worked against the retention of this knowledge SM gave.

>

My pranaam again Violet. The Adi Shakti will use Her instruments to

protect Her Message. Consider it an eternal blessing to be chosen to

serve Her. Enjoy this in Silence!

>

> Well... they have have not been up to the task and now Shri Mataji

> has given the responsibility of this vital task to others outside

> of the organisation of Sahaja Yoga... just like She warned She

> would do if SY leadership/followers were not up to the task. We

> have evidence that SY leadership have refused to take up this

> responsibility to announce Her Message officially. They have in

> fact failed to do so... even to date.

>

The stubborn camel will drink from the Fountain of Truth or else die

of thirst. i have no doubt about this and will bide for time. Under

no circumstance will i move an inch to aid its survival or retreat

to hasten death. Its own karma will ensure that outcome.

>

> However, SY leadership/followers could easily have proceeded with

> confidence and faith and announced Her Message... knowing that

> evidence of Her Incarnation would be forthcoming. It could all

> have worked out very beautifully. After all... Shri Mataji never

> gave SY leadership/followers the difficult task of " giving

> evidence " . All She required of them was to announce Her Message!

>

Shri Mataji had everything worked out Violet. In fact everything was

planned to the finest detail before She incarnated. But do not

despair Violet. On the contrary, be joyous that Shri Mataji has

somehow managed to bring forth Her Divine Message despite all the

obstacles and opposition by SY leadership/followers. Those working

to spread Her Divine Message will just have to persevere and we will

finish the job by 21 February 2013.

>

> We know now that when the mystical evidence of Her Incarnation was

> given by the " special children " that SM mentioned would come from

> Montreal, Canada... that the SY leadership " especially " rejected

> this evidence. In fact the SY leadership had a terrible reaction

> against the mystical evidence given. They even decided that the

> children must be possessed! (Please be aware that not all SYs felt

> this way though. Not all SYs rejected this evidence... but most

> SYs felt obliged to follow/agree with the Sahaja Yoga leadership

> opinion... and that is why most SYs ended up rejecting this

> mystical evidence also... (by defacto you could say.)

>

So it is time for SYs to regard the priceless treasure that Shri

Mataji has given us. It was She who first spoke of a great blessing

to mankind that would confirm Her incarnation. Do not allow the

leadership to mislead you again now that the truth has come out.

>

> The thing is... the SY leadership refused to accept the mystical

> evidence when it did come. Therefore, the question begs to be

> asked:

>

> " What did the SY leadership/followers expect anyway? How could any

> evidence be anything but mystical? It had to be mystical evidence

> of the Divine Within all human beings that would be the " evidence "

> to confirm Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi's Incarnation! "

>

Just devastating and brilliant Violet! My pranaam again.

>

> Jagbir... i also trust that future seekers will be able to draw

> great faith, courage, strength and nourishment from the fact that

> Shri Mataji did tell of a great blessing to mankind that would

> confirm Her Incarnation. Although WCASY (and their followers) have

> rejected this great blessing... it is going out nonetheless. All

> seekers and future seekers will come to know about it, and neither

> WCASY or their followers can prevent Her Message from going out...

> just as Shri Mataji wanted it.

>

Violet, i again offer you Silence as thanks.

Jai Shri Ganapathi,

jagbir

>

> , " jagbir

> singh " <adishakti_org@> wrote:

>

> > Violet, can you clarify the slight tension between Shri Mataji:

> >

> > i) telling SYs they must announce Her Message or else outsiders

> > will do it;

> > ii) informing SYs there are already " special personalities " in

> > Montreal, Canada who will do so and " that there was nothing that

> > we needed to do about that information, but that we would know

> > about them at a later time. "

> >

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> i remember very clearly that in 1993 most SYs (including myself)

> were waiting expectantly for the Sahaj leadership to put the

> collective desire into action and officially announce Shri

> Mataji's Message to the world... which SM asked us to do. This had

> not yet been forthcoming at that time, inspite of a lot of

> promises given to SM as well as many bandhans and shoebeats, etc.

> to destroy any negativity that was preventing this announcement.

> In 1993, myself and other SYs entrusted the leaders to organise

> this for us and we still had hope then... that the official

> announcement would happen. Many of us felt that once the SY

> leadership announced Her Message officially... then we would all

> be in a much better position to give Her eschatological message...

> individually or collectively.

>

> When Shri Mataji told us at Sydney Airport in 1993 (i believe it

> was) that " special personalities " from Montreal, Canada

> would " give evidence " of Her Incarnation... that should have given

> the SY Leadership great confidence to announce Her Message with

> the knowledge that " evidence " of Her Incarnation would be

> forthcoming. However... it seems to me that the leadership

> " especially " ... did not take this information 'on board' in a

> realistic way. i think it was all a bit 'unreal' to them somehow.

> (i guess you could say it was kind of 'unreal' to us all. We had

> absolutely no idea what this " evidence " that SM talked about would

> consist of. We had no idea there was going to be this amazing

> mystical knowledge that She was going to reveal!)

>

> Jagbir... you have asked what the tension between SY leadership/

> followers and Shri Mataji was in relation to your abovementioned

> points i) and ii):

>

> i felt that any 'possible resultant guilt' that the SY leadership

> might have had for 'not officially announcing Shri Mataji's

> Message'... despite Her repeated pleas to do so... seemed to be

> assuaged by their mutual reassurance that: " Mother is again being

> a mother by gently chiding us... just like She always does and

> whatever we do... we know that She will always love us and forgive

> us... just like She always does. " (Even SM many times said that we

> took advantage of Her " motherliness " . Whenever She needed to, She

> reminded us that no other guru would have tolerated what She

> tolerates.)