Learning who Shri Mataji was i was completely filled with joy

[Guest guest]

Dear jagbir,

 

I felt compelled to write to you after i just visited adishakti.org

after some months now when i realized your message on the frontpage.

First let me introduce myself, my name is Xxxxx and i live in Xxxxx

and i am Xx and got my realization X years back. Anyways I knew

about your site for quite some time and really enjoyed all the

articles although didnt get a chance to go in to deep into it as it

is quite in depth.

 

Let me explain what happened when i read your article tonight..

Tonight i was taking a break from studying for exams when i decided

to looked on video.google.com and then was curious if i could find

any movies from Martin Luther King Jr, but ended up finding an old

movie made on Martin Luther depicting his life..it reminded me of

feeling that has been overcoming me for the last 2 years when i just

want to stand completely on two feet and not be afraid to do

Mother's work in full force with or without anyone. Afterwards i

decided to go back to this article i was writing where i wanted to

propose an experiment for my Xxxx theory where i could use sahaja

yoga to prove the existance of God through vibrations. When i came

to point when i realized i need religious historical background i

decided to go to your website when i read the front page.

 

I read everything from the front page, to the great blessing to

mankind link and also the forum. First of all my heart goes

out to you, with all u have done and i sincerely am shocked at the

whole thing...but then also not so shocked. It really stirred me up

when i read it, because i read about the children and thought that

it was really interesting, but wondered why no one had ever in the

collective mentioned it. Although i admit i didnt know the full

story about it until tonight, i only knew that they had all these

really amazing descriptions of Shri Mataji.

 

I must admit over the course of the 4 years i was so excited to have

my realization first of all as i knew when my kundalini completely

came up i knew i found what i hungered for. Then learning who Shri

Mataji was i was completely filled with joy. That was within my

first 6 months... afterwards i began spending much time with the

collective and found it to be a very dishearting and felt very alone

especially when i saw all the judgementalness, politics, ritualism,

and so many other horrid things. At the time i was so happy that i

now knew The HOLY SPIRIT! and that made me so happy and i wanted to

tell it to the whole world, but i myself was a bit shy and i need

find the strength inside me. When i met the collective it seemed

like they too were just as shy. Over the four years i have been

waiting for something to change, for people to change..but alas it

hasn't and over the years i have felt isolated, but at the same time

gaining my courage to make a stand. Giving realization to hundreds,

writing papers, even writing to authors like " conversations with

god " to get this very simple message that the Adi Shakti is here

right now, and the last judgement is happening. Although i was

taught to propogate Mother's message as meditation/chakra thing like

u said, but all the while felt like this wasn't enough especially

when i would meet the deep seekers. It was like their eyes were

telling me " don't read from the prompter..give me what i need to

hear " .

 

I recently decided to tell my parents, who are not doing SY. My mom

who is very involved in the Catholic church and my father who is a

seeker, but not going to church anymore. They were very concerned

but didn't agree nor disagree, but at the same time i realized how

good it felt to say who Mother was after 4 long years of feeling

trapped within my own house. Finally after seeing Mother this year

in LA at her home i felt upon returning so much of an urge to have

the courage that Mother is who she is and I can't change it, so i

don't have to be afraid of anything any longer. There's really so

many things i could write, but i am a bit tired. After reading all

of these things with leaders i can very much empathize after dealing

with all the beauracracy after 4 years that has made me depressed

and trapped, but seeing what you have gone through it makes me feel

much more courageous!

 

I am really curious if you got any more confirmation that Mother has

said we should tell her divine message? What has happened to your

children since all this has happened? If theres anything else that

can help inspire me to go out and spread Mother's message to please

send it my way.

 

love

 

X.........

[Guest guest]

>

> I am really curious if you got any more confirmation that Mother

> has said we should tell her divine message? What has happened to

> your children since all this has happened? If theres anything else

> that can help inspire me to go out and spread Mother's message to

> please send it my way.

>

 

Dear Xxxxxx,

 

i have two quotes that make it clear that SYs were suppossed to

announce both Her incarnation and the Divine Message of the Last

Judgment and Resurrection.

 

" Tell all the nations and tell all the people, all over, the great

message - that the time of Resurrection is Here. Now, at this time,

and that you all are capable of doing it. You are the ones who are

capable of manifesting God's joy on this earth. You are the flutes

which are going to play the Melody of God. I am doing all this to

perfect you to be the 'most' beautiful instruments of God. Like the

ship is built, is brought to the sea, tried, and found out to be

sea-worthy to sail out, when you know everything about the ship,

everything about the sea, with complete freedom and wisdom, you have

to sail now. Not afraid of any storms or any gales or any typhoons

because now all you 'know'. Your job is to cross through. "

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

 

(Australian Sahaja Newsletter - 28 September 1996)

 

 

" I am the Adi Shakti. I am the One who has come on this Earth for

the first time in this form to do this tremendous task . The more

you understand this the better it would be. You will change

tremendously. I knew I'll have to say that openly one day and we

have said it. But now it is you people who have to prove it that I

am that! "

 

Shri Adi-Shakti Devi

Sydney, Australia — March 21, 1983

 

 

There is another quote where She tells SYs that if the Truth is not

told openly people will say they never knew about it. i don't have

the quote but without question She is reminding SYs the consequences

of keeping quiet. i believe She could not press the issue as the SY

leadership were very reluctant.

 

In 1994 She told SYs that evidence of Her incarnation will be given

by personalities outside the SY organization. Thus all they needed

to do was to just announce Her advent and Message. Again the SY

leadership/followers balked and just did not have the courage to

even admit publicly that She is the Adi Shakti.

 

You asked: " What has happened to your children since all this has

happened? "

 

Well, they are just growing up like normal children - PS2, X-Box,

friends, movies, pizzas, studies, skating, swimming, window shopping

etc. i believe they are growing up in a healthy, balanced way free

from any conditioning whatsoever.

 

You asked: " If theres anything else that can help inspire me to go

out and spread Mother's message to please send it my way. "

 

i will strongly advise you to first learn to stand up for the Truth,

before standing on it. Apparently you are uncomfortable that your

email was made public despite your identity being masked. So rid

yourself of this baseless SY fear and conditioning if you sincerely

want to spread Mother's message.

 

You said privately: " i read the forum i see it is involved in much

criticism of others, and taking sides. Which is not a good place for

me to be apart of it. Please i ask for your respect, i do not wish

to be part of that aspect. My ascent is my own i do not wish for

others to judge me and put me in compartments, based on what your

forum is speaking about. "

 

You are right about the criticism as i am against hypocrites who

pretend/lie that Sahaja Yoga is a form of meditation based on the

subtle system teachimgs of Shri Mataji. If SYs do not believe or

cannot admit that it is much more than that i am guilty of excessive

criticism. But i know for a fact that my conscience is much clearer

than most SYs since i started openly declaring Shri Mataji's advent

and Message. i just have no idea how subtle system SYs can believe

they are spreading the Truth. And unlike most SYs, i have been catch-

free for years. Has this anything to do with the Adi Shakti pleased

with my dharma, sincerity and conscience?

 

So nobody is taking sides here ........ unless you consider siding

with Truth driving a wedge. If that is the case then i will only

drive in deeper and harder. So don't sit on the fence and wait for

the SY leadership to announce that www.adishakti.org is kosher.

Learn to be your own master and study the meaning of " dharma " in

detail. i will help SYs jump-start this long overdue transformation

by expalining about " Satyagraha " :

 

" Satyagraha (Sanskrit: satyâgraha) is the philosophy of nonviolent

resistance most famously employed by Mohandas Gandhi in forcing an

end to the British Raj and also against apartheid in South Africa.

 

Satya is Sanskrit for Truth, and Agraha is used to describe an

effort, endeavor. The term itself may be construed to mean any

effort to discover, discern, obtain or apply Truth. The word is

originally Sanskrit, and has been borrowed into many Indian

languages including Hindi and Gujarati.

 

Satyagraha is a relentless search for truth and a determination to

reach truth.

 

It is a force that works silently and apparently slowly. In reality,

there is no force in the world that is so direct or so swift in

working.

 

Satyagraha literally means insistence on truth. This insistence arms

the votary with matchless power. This power or force is connoted by

the word satyagraha. Satyagraha, to be genuine, may be offered

against parents, against one's wife or one's children, against

rulers, against fellow-citizens, even against the whole world. " **

 

 

So Xxxxxx, initiating Satyagraha against hypocrisy and dereliction

of duty towards humanity by the SY leadership/followers is a great

blessing whose roots are firmly embedded in past lives lived

unwaveringly serving Truth and Dharma. It is a very unpleasant job

and few will volunteer being the night-soil carriers of humanity.

Thus it is so easy for the SY leadership to distract their followers

by claiming that i stink. i happily agree due to the all-pervading

intoxicating, addictive aroma of Satyagraha.

 

Jai Ganapathi,

 

 

 

jagbir

 

** Wikipedia

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> Dear jagbir,

>

> I felt compelled to write to you after i just visited adishakti.org

> after some months now when i realized your message on the

> frontpage. First let me introduce myself, my name is Xxxxx and i

> live in Xxxxx and i am Xx and got my realization X years back.

> Anyways I knew about your site for quite some time and really

> enjoyed all the articles although didnt get a chance to go in to

> deep into it as it is quite in depth.

>

> Let me explain what happened when i read your article tonight..

> Tonight i was taking a break from studying for exams when i decided

> to looked on video.google.com and then was curious if i could find

> any movies from Martin Luther King Jr, but ended up finding an old

> movie made on Martin Luther depicting his life..it reminded me of

> feeling that has been overcoming me for the last 2 years when i

> just want to stand completely on two feet and not be afraid to do

> Mother's work in full force with or without anyone. Afterwards i

> decided to go back to this article i was writing where i wanted to

> propose an experiment for my Xxxx theory where i could use sahaja

> yoga to prove the existance of God through vibrations. When i came

> to point when i realized i need religious historical background i

> decided to go to your website when i read the front page.

>

> I read everything from the front page, to the great blessing to

> mankind link and also the forum. First of all my heart goes

> out to you, with all u have done and i sincerely am shocked at the

> whole thing...but then also not so shocked. It really stirred me up

> when i read it, because i read about the children and thought that

> it was really interesting, but wondered why no one had ever in the

> collective mentioned it. Although i admit i didnt know the full

> story about it until tonight, i only knew that they had all these

> really amazing descriptions of Shri Mataji.

>

> I must admit over the course of the 4 years i was so excited to

> have my realization first of all as i knew when my kundalini

> completely came up i knew i found what i hungered for. Then

> learning who Shri Mataji was i was completely filled with joy.

> That was within my first 6 months... afterwards i began spending

> much time with the collective and found it to be a very

> dishearting and felt very alone especially when i saw all the

> judgementalness, politics, ritualism, and so many other horrid

> things. At the time i was so happy that i now knew The HOLY

> SPIRIT! and that made me so happy and i wanted to tell it to the

> whole world, but i myself was a bit shy and i need find the

> strength inside me. When i met the collective it seemed like they

> too were just as shy. Over the four years i have been waiting for

> something to change, for people to change..but alas it hasn't and

> over the years i have felt isolated, but at the same

> time gaining my courage to make a stand. Giving realization to

> hundreds, writing papers, even writing to authors like

> " conversations with god " to get this very simple message that the

> Adi Shakti is here right now, and the last judgement is happening.

> Although i was taught to propogate Mother's message as

> meditation/chakra thing like u said, but all the while felt like

> this wasn't enough especially when i would meet the deep seekers.

> It was like their eyes were telling me " don't read from the

> prompter..give me what i need to hear " .

>

> I recently decided to tell my parents, who are not doing SY. My mom

> who is very involved in the Catholic church and my father who is a

> seeker, but not going to church anymore. They were very concerned

> but didn't agree nor disagree, but at the same time i realized how

> good it felt to say who Mother was after 4 long years of feeling

> trapped within my own house. Finally after seeing Mother this year

> in LA at her home i felt upon returning so much of an urge to have

> the courage that Mother is who she is and I can't change it, so i

> don't have to be afraid of anything any longer. There's really so

> many things i could write, but i am a bit tired. After reading all

> of these things with leaders i can very much empathize after

> dealing with all the beauracracy after 4 years that has made me

> depressed and trapped, but seeing what you have gone through it

> makes me feel much more courageous!

>

> I am really curious if you got any more confirmation that Mother

> has said we should tell her divine message? What has happened to

> your children since all this has happened? If theres anything else

> that can help inspire me to go out and spread Mother's message to

> please send it my way.

>

> love

>

> X.........

>

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

i was there in 1994 at Sydney Airport when Shri Mataji gave the clarion call and

summons for Sahaja Yogis to declare Her Message and Identity openly in the form

of an Announcement Worldwide. The word " announcement " was much discussed about

in the mid 1990's. However, the political agenda of Sahaja Yogi Politicians has

superceded and taken precedence over Shri Mataji's sincerest wish and desire for

SYs in the organisation to Openly Proclaim Her Message and Identity.

 

i wonder if anyone has remembered about the " Two Stages of Sahaja Yoga " that SM

talked about? Or... has this been erased from collective memory too?

 

Shri Mataji indeed described Two Stages of SY and they are as follows:

 

Stage 1: The First Stage we all know... which is what SY leadership/followers

are in.

 

Stage 2: The Second Stage was to go all out and tell All Nations Her Message and

Her Identity. It was to be spearheaded with an OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT. Then SYs

were to give Her Message of the Resurrection (giving details of Her Identity as

well) to all the Nations of the World.

 

According to SM, this Stage was very important for world transformation. We

already had all the knowledge; now we were supposed to tackle it from the

Spiritual Perspective of Eschatological Evidence about Her Incarnation, etc.

(Maybe SYs have forgotten about this Second Stage that SM talked about, due to

the Political Agenda of the leaders who did not want to do this, and still do

not want to do this to date... in fact discourage it!)

 

The Second Stage (as Jagbir has quoted precisely)... was given by Shri Mataji

with the Words:

 

" Tell all the nations and tell all the people, all over, the great message -

that the time of Resurrection is Here. Now, at this time, and that you all are

capable of doing it. You are the ones who are capable of manifesting God's joy

on this earth. You are the flutes which are going to play the Melody of God. I

am doing all this to perfect you to be the 'most' beautiful instruments of God.

Like the ship is built, is brought to the sea, tried, and found out to be

sea-worthy to sail out, when you know everything about the ship, everything

about the sea, with complete freedom and wisdom, you have to sail now. Not

afraid of any storms or any gales or any typhoons because now all you 'know'.

Your job is to cross through. "

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

 

These Words of SM are the Challenge and Essence of the Meaning of Stage 2 of

Sahaja Yoga. Obviously, according to SM's description, Stage 2 was not about

Meditation Classes and Clearing and Cleansing Workshops. (That had already been

mastered by SYs!)

 

Rather... it is very clear that She is referring to the Announcement of Her

Message/Incarnation that was to be forthcoming... and was very important to

World Spiritual Transformation, so that people would know that the Holy Spirit,

Ruh of Allah, The Great Mother, the Ruauch, the Shekinah, the Aykaa Mayee, Mai

Treya and the Adi Shakti had incarnated!

 

Shri Mataji obviously knew that it was difficult for SY leadership/followers to

take up Her Challenge. That is why She encouraged us to " cross through " that

psychological barrier and take the courage to do it. That is why She encouraged

us to " be seaworthy " to do this Great Task. (As already stated... we were

already experts at that time in Meditation Classes and Clearing and Cleansing

Workshops. That is therefore NOT what SM was referring to in Stage 2...

folks!!!)

 

NO! What we needed to be " seaworthy about " was to OPENLY TAKE COURAGE AND

ANNOUNCE HER MESSAGE AND INCARNATION TO THE WORLD!

 

That is implicit in Shri Mataji's challenge " TO BE SEAWORTHY " and to " NOW SAIL! "

 

You see... SY Organisation had an Official Announcement of the Advent and

Message of the Holy Spirit to give to the world. That would give the impetus and

reason for a " SAIL " in the first place, and preparation would be needed for this

sail. We had to " make our ship completely seaworthy " for this " SAIL " .

 

However, this particular " SAILING VOYAGE " has not been taken at all by SY

leadership/followers. Stage 2 is happening from outside of the organisation of

SY, because SY leadership/followers were " just not up to Stage 2 of Sahaja

Yoga! "

 

It is a challenge to you to do this therefore… if not collectively; then

individually. Enter Stage 2... as Shri Mataji encouraged:

 

" Now, at this time, and that you all are capable of doing it. "

 

So... SYs you are all capable of giving Her Message of Resurrection to all the

nations and all the people. Please do not shirk this duty any longer. You are in

a great disadvantage because SY leadership have not announced Her Message and

Incarnation officially. Nevertheless, each SY needs to take this admonition of

SM on their own shoulders now. If you cannot do it within the Organisation of

SY, you may have to be part of the Movement of Love of Sahaja Yoga that is now

proclaiming Her Message and Identity from without the organisation of SY. You

may have to become part of the Movement of SY that SM called " Stage 2 of Sahaja

Yoga " .

 

This can still be accomplished from within, but i think it is very difficult

now, as the SY Politicians do not believe it is important to commence Stage 2.

So... just like us, if you are really sincere about follow Shri Mataji's wishes,

you may be forced to do so from outside the Organisation of Sahaja Yoga... just

in order to get this job done without political interference!

 

But then... all who do so... can take GREAT CONSOLATION from the fact that in

1994 at Sydney Airport, Shri Mataji said that if Her Message is not given from

inside the organisation of SY that She has people that will give it from Outside

the Organisation of Sahaja Yoga! (Again... Meditation Classes and Clearing and

Cleansing Workshops were rampant. Therefore these aspects were not the " Message "

Shri Mataji was referring too. Please be aware of this fact, especially if you

are a devoted follower of the Adi Shakti within (the Holy Spirit within)!

 

Jai Shri Mataji!

 

violet

 

 

 

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> >

> > I am really curious if you got any more confirmation that Mother

> > has said we should tell her divine message? What has happened to

> > your children since all this has happened? If theres anything else

> > that can help inspire me to go out and spread Mother's message to

> > please send it my way.

> >

>

> Dear Xxxxxx,

>

> i have two quotes that make it clear that SYs were suppossed to

> announce both Her incarnation and the Divine Message of the Last

> Judgment and Resurrection.

>

> " Tell all the nations and tell all the people, all over, the great

> message - that the time of Resurrection is Here. Now, at this time,

> and that you all are capable of doing it. You are the ones who are

> capable of manifesting God's joy on this earth. You are the flutes

> which are going to play the Melody of God. I am doing all this to

> perfect you to be the 'most' beautiful instruments of God. Like the

> ship is built, is brought to the sea, tried, and found out to be

> sea-worthy to sail out, when you know everything about the ship,

> everything about the sea, with complete freedom and wisdom, you have

> to sail now. Not afraid of any storms or any gales or any typhoons

> because now all you 'know'. Your job is to cross through. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

>

> (Australian Sahaja Newsletter - 28 September 1996)

>

>

> " I am the Adi Shakti. I am the One who has come on this Earth for

> the first time in this form to do this tremendous task . The more

> you understand this the better it would be. You will change

> tremendously. I knew I'll have to say that openly one day and we

> have said it. But now it is you people who have to prove it that I

> am that! "

>

> Shri Adi-Shakti Devi

> Sydney, Australia — March 21, 1983

>

>

> There is another quote where She tells SYs that if the Truth is not

> told openly people will say they never knew about it. i don't have

> the quote but without question She is reminding SYs the consequences

> of keeping quiet. i believe She could not press the issue as the SY

> leadership were very reluctant.

>

> In 1994 She told SYs that evidence of Her incarnation will be given

> by personalities outside the SY organization. Thus all they needed

> to do was to just announce Her advent and Message. Again the SY

> leadership/followers balked and just did not have the courage to

> even admit publicly that She is the Adi Shakti.

>

> You asked: " What has happened to your children since all this has

> happened? "

>

> Well, they are just growing up like normal children - PS2, X-Box,

> friends, movies, pizzas, studies, skating, swimming, window shopping

> etc. i believe they are growing up in a healthy, balanced way free

> from any conditioning whatsoever.

>

> You asked: " If theres anything else that can help inspire me to go

> out and spread Mother's message to please send it my way. "

>

> i will strongly advise you to first learn to stand up for the Truth,

> before standing on it. Apparently you are uncomfortable that your

> email was made public despite your identity being masked. So rid

> yourself of this baseless SY fear and conditioning if you sincerely

> want to spread Mother's message.

>

> You said privately: " i read the forum i see it is involved in much

> criticism of others, and taking sides. Which is not a good place for

> me to be apart of it. Please i ask for your respect, i do not wish

> to be part of that aspect. My ascent is my own i do not wish for

> others to judge me and put me in compartments, based on what your

> forum is speaking about. "

>

> You are right about the criticism as i am against hypocrites who

> pretend/lie that Sahaja Yoga is a form of meditation based on the

> subtle system teachimgs of Shri Mataji. If SYs do not believe or

> cannot admit that it is much more than that i am guilty of excessive

> criticism. But i know for a fact that my conscience is much clearer

> than most SYs since i started openly declaring Shri Mataji's advent

> and Message. i just have no idea how subtle system SYs can believe

> they are spreading the Truth. And unlike most SYs, i have been

catch-

> free for years. Has this anything to do with the Adi Shakti pleased

> with my dharma, sincerity and conscience?

>

> So nobody is taking sides here ........ unless you consider siding

> with Truth driving a wedge. If that is the case then i will only

> drive in deeper and harder. So don't sit on the fence and wait for

> the SY leadership to announce that www.adishakti.org is kosher.

> Learn to be your own master and study the meaning of " dharma " in

> detail. i will help SYs jump-start this long overdue transformation

> by expalining about " Satyagraha " :

>

> " Satyagraha (Sanskrit: satyâgraha) is the philosophy of nonviolent

> resistance most famously employed by Mohandas Gandhi in forcing an

> end to the British Raj and also against apartheid in South Africa.

>

> Satya is Sanskrit for Truth, and Agraha is used to describe an

> effort, endeavor. The term itself may be construed to mean any

> effort to discover, discern, obtain or apply Truth. The word is

> originally Sanskrit, and has been borrowed into many Indian

> languages including Hindi and Gujarati.

>

> Satyagraha is a relentless search for truth and a determination to

> reach truth.

>

> It is a force that works silently and apparently slowly. In reality,

> there is no force in the world that is so direct or so swift in

> working.

>

> Satyagraha literally means insistence on truth. This insistence arms

> the votary with matchless power. This power or force is connoted by

> the word satyagraha. Satyagraha, to be genuine, may be offered

> against parents, against one's wife or one's children, against

> rulers, against fellow-citizens, even against the whole world. " **

>

>

> So Xxxxxx, initiating Satyagraha against hypocrisy and dereliction

> of duty towards humanity by the SY leadership/followers is a great

> blessing whose roots are firmly embedded in past lives lived

> unwaveringly serving Truth and Dharma. It is a very unpleasant job

> and few will volunteer being the night-soil carriers of humanity.

> Thus it is so easy for the SY leadership to distract their followers

> by claiming that i stink. i happily agree due to the all-pervading

> intoxicating, addictive aroma of Satyagraha.

>

> Jai Ganapathi,

>

>

>

> jagbir

>

> ** Wikipedia

>

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear jagbir,

> >

> > I felt compelled to write to you after i just visited

adishakti.org

> > after some months now when i realized your message on the

> > frontpage. First let me introduce myself, my name is Xxxxx and i

> > live in Xxxxx and i am Xx and got my realization X years back.

> > Anyways I knew about your site for quite some time and really

> > enjoyed all the articles although didnt get a chance to go in to

> > deep into it as it is quite in depth.

> >

> > Let me explain what happened when i read your article tonight..

> > Tonight i was taking a break from studying for exams when i

decided

> > to looked on video.google.com and then was curious if i could find

> > any movies from Martin Luther King Jr, but ended up finding an old

> > movie made on Martin Luther depicting his life..it reminded me of

> > feeling that has been overcoming me for the last 2 years when i

> > just want to stand completely on two feet and not be afraid to do

> > Mother's work in full force with or without anyone. Afterwards i

> > decided to go back to this article i was writing where i wanted to

> > propose an experiment for my Xxxx theory where i could use sahaja

> > yoga to prove the existance of God through vibrations. When i came

> > to point when i realized i need religious historical background i

> > decided to go to your website when i read the front page.

> >

> > I read everything from the front page, to the great blessing to

> > mankind link and also the forum. First of all my heart goes

> > out to you, with all u have done and i sincerely am shocked at the

> > whole thing...but then also not so shocked. It really stirred me

up

> > when i read it, because i read about the children and thought that

> > it was really interesting, but wondered why no one had ever in the

> > collective mentioned it. Although i admit i didnt know the full

> > story about it until tonight, i only knew that they had all these

> > really amazing descriptions of Shri Mataji.

> >

> > I must admit over the course of the 4 years i was so excited to

> > have my realization first of all as i knew when my kundalini

> > completely came up i knew i found what i hungered for. Then

> > learning who Shri Mataji was i was completely filled with joy.

> > That was within my first 6 months... afterwards i began spending

> > much time with the collective and found it to be a very

> > dishearting and felt very alone especially when i saw all the

> > judgementalness, politics, ritualism, and so many other horrid

> > things. At the time i was so happy that i now knew The HOLY

> > SPIRIT! and that made me so happy and i wanted to tell it to the

> > whole world, but i myself was a bit shy and i need find the

> > strength inside me. When i met the collective it seemed like they

> > too were just as shy. Over the four years i have been waiting for

> > something to change, for people to change..but alas it hasn't and

> > over the years i have felt isolated, but at the same

> > time gaining my courage to make a stand. Giving realization to

> > hundreds, writing papers, even writing to authors like

> > " conversations with god " to get this very simple message that the

> > Adi Shakti is here right now, and the last judgement is happening.

> > Although i was taught to propogate Mother's message as

> > meditation/chakra thing like u said, but all the while felt like

> > this wasn't enough especially when i would meet the deep seekers.

> > It was like their eyes were telling me " don't read from the

> > prompter..give me what i need to hear " .

> >

> > I recently decided to tell my parents, who are not doing SY. My

mom

> > who is very involved in the Catholic church and my father who is a

> > seeker, but not going to church anymore. They were very concerned

> > but didn't agree nor disagree, but at the same time i realized how

> > good it felt to say who Mother was after 4 long years of feeling

> > trapped within my own house. Finally after seeing Mother this year

> > in LA at her home i felt upon returning so much of an urge to have

> > the courage that Mother is who she is and I can't change it, so i

> > don't have to be afraid of anything any longer. There's really so

> > many things i could write, but i am a bit tired. After reading all

> > of these things with leaders i can very much empathize after

> > dealing with all the beauracracy after 4 years that has made me

> > depressed and trapped, but seeing what you have gone through it

> > makes me feel much more courageous!

> >

> > I am really curious if you got any more confirmation that Mother

> > has said we should tell her divine message? What has happened to

> > your children since all this has happened? If theres anything else

> > that can help inspire me to go out and spread Mother's message to

> > please send it my way.

> >

> > love

> >

> > X.........

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> So nobody is taking sides here ....... unless you consider siding

> with Truth driving a wedge. If that is the case then i will only

> drive in deeper and harder. So don't sit on the fence and wait for

> the SY leadership to announce that www.adishakti.org is kosher.

> Learn to be your own master and study the meaning of " dharma " in

> detail.

>

 

Dharma

 

" Dharma (Sanskrit) or Dhamma (Pali) means Natural Law or Reality, and

with respect to its significance for spirituality and religion might

be considered the Way of the Higher Truths. Dharma forms the basis

for philosophies, beliefs and practices originating in India. The

four main ones are Hinduism (Sanatana Dharma), Buddhism, Jainism,

and Sikhism, all of whom retain the centrality of Dharma in their

teachings. In these traditions, beings that live in harmony with

Dharma proceed more quickly toward Dharma Yukam, Moksha, Nirvana

(personal liberation). Dharma also refers to the teachings and

doctrines of the various founders of the traditions, such as Gautama

Buddha in Buddhism and Mahavira in Jainism. As the religious and

moral doctrine of the rights and duties of each individual, Dharma

can refer generally to religious duty, and also mean social order,

right conduct, or simply virtue....

 

From the Atharvaveda and in Classical Sanskrit, the stem is

thematic, dhárma, and in Pali, it takes the form dhamma. Monier-

Williams attempts to gesture at the semantic field of the spiritual

and religious meanings of the term with " virtue, morality, religion,

religious merit " . It being used in most or all philosophies and

religions of Indian origin, the " dharmic faiths " including Hinduism

(Sanatana Dharma), Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism, it is difficult to

provide a single concise definition for Dharma. The word has a long

and varied history and straddles a complex set of meanings and

interpretations. Dharma also is practiced in the Surat Shabda Yoga

traditions.

 

Rene Guenon, father of the 20th century school of perennial

philosophy, said:

 

It [dharma] is, so to speak, the essential nature of a being,

comprising the sum of its particular qualities or characteristics,

and determining, by virtue of the tendencies or dispositions it

implies, the manner in which this being will conduct itself, either

in a general way or in relation to each particular circumstance. The

same idea may be applied, not only to a single being, but also to an

organized collectivity, to a species, to all the beings included in

a cosmic cycle or state of existence, or even to the whole order of

the Universe; it then, at one level or another, signifies conformity

with the essential nature of beings… (from Guenon's " Introduction to

the Study of Hindu Doctrines " )

 

David Frawley, an expert on Hindu philosophy and religion, comments

on Dharma as follows:

 

A universal tradition has room for all faiths and all religious and

spiritual practices regardless of the time or country of their

origin. Yet it places religious and spiritual teachings in their

appropriate place relative to the ultimate goal of Self-realization,

to which secondary practices are subordinated. Sanatan Dharma also

recognizes that the greater portion of human religious aspirations

has always been unknown, undefined and outside of any

institutionalized belief. Sanatan Dharma thereby gives reverence to

individual spiritual experience over any formal religious doctrine.

Wherever the Universal Truth is manifest; there is Sanatan Dharma—

whether it is in a field of religion, art or science, or in the life

of a person or community. Wherever the Universal Truth is not

recognized, or is scaled down or limited to a particular group, book

or person, even if done so in the name of God, there Sanatan Dharma

ceases to function, whatever the activity is called. "

 

Dharma (Wikipedia)

 

 

Note: In case WCASY, SY leadership and followers of the Sahaja Yoga

Subtle System Religion miss the point here it it: " Wherever the

Universal Truth is not recognized, or is scaled down or limited to a

particular group, book or person, even if done so in the name of

God, there Sanatan Dharma ceases to function, whatever the activity

is called. "

 

jagbir