We need spiritual understanding and discernment to grasp the Devi's incarnation

October 23, 2006

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> i would like to explore some spiritual subjects and make comments

> also. i have re-edited my previous post as i felt i should make

> myself clearer with my questions and comments in some cases. So,

> could you please answer to this post rather than the one i have

> deleted. Thanks.

>

> violet

>

> " The First Permission In The Sahasrara… "

>

> You said:

>

> " Kash's father knew that such an unprecedented opportunity for all

> humanity to examine and validate the Truth of God almighty might

> not come again. In his mind he was convinced that he had to

> perform his duty even if everybody — his parents, friends,

> relatives, and fellow Sahaja Yogis — ridiculed, criticized, or

> ostracized him. " Some have said that no answer can be found to the

> mystery, for humans have created it and no suprahuman or

> supernatural answer exists. " This centuries-old dilemma that had

> allowed religious regimes to conjecture contradicting dogma could

> now be solved. " END QUOTE

>

> (Jagbir, could you please clarify what unprecedented opportunity

> you are referring to? Is this the opportunity to validate the

> Incarnation of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi as the Adi Shakti/Holy

> Spirit/Ruh of Allah? Also... what is the 'mystery' you are

> referring to? What is the answer that has been revealed that

> dispels this previous 'mystery' that faced all religious regimes?)

>

> You said:

>

> " Kash's father became resolute. He reiterated that he would

> announce this Ultimate Reality, given the vast weight of

> unquestionable evidence, no matter how ridiculous others thought

> of his claims. It was imperative that he did so and allow the

> entire human race and history to judge him, and not a few

> skeptical individuals. "

>

> (What are the main details of this " Ultimate Reality " that you

> wanted to announce?)

>

> You said:

>

> " He knew that " there are more than half a billion New Age

> advocates on the planet at this time, working among various

> religious groups, " waiting for the first glimmer of Light that the

> dawning of the Age of Aquarius had predicted to bring, where " no

> one is ruled or ruler, where no promise of Heaven offers us false

> compensation for our present pain, but where we tend together the

> earth's living, fruitful flesh. " These Revelations, precisely for

> these type of New Age seekers who rejected the authoritarian,

> suppressive religious institutions, would free humanity from their

> suffocating custody and allow every individual to seek their

> spiritual union " with the Supreme Spirit within, transforming them

> in the process into the new race destined to heal all nations.

> These Truths had to be told no matter what the consequences. It

> was a moral duty that any conscientious human would most willingly

> do. " END QUOTE

>

> (It seems to me that the New Age seekers do reject any

> authoritarian, suppressive religious institutions, regardless of

> what religious groups they are involved in. This is an interesting

> description you give about the new race that will heal all

> nations. Shri Mataji talked about it too. Can you (in your own

> words) give us the vision that you have... that you briefly

> describe. Are you talking about world transformation in all areas

> of human life such as religion, politics, economics, law.

> Everything! Because we all know that there are great problems in

> all these institutions now because of the greed and selfishness of

> materialistically and egotistically-minded human beings. Shri

> Mataji spoke on this subject many times. She even asked us, for

> example to have movements where we bring about positive

> humanitarian change. This must be the way that life on Earth will

> change. We have to 'enlighten' all facets... all human endeavours,

> and humanity must become " collectively conscious " .)

>

> You said:

>

> " In the end, after weeks of disturbance in the family, there was a

> compromise. The father agreed to maintain silence and let things

> take their course, as required by his spouse, provided he be

> allowed to question Kash in detail and record all of his mystical

> experiences. He would then wait for the appropriate time to

> release them for the benefit of others. "

>

> (i certainly can understand how much personal disturbance there

> must have been for all family members, and i regret that. Some

> workable solution had to be found, which only could be achieved

> through common sense and compromise. In fact, the ability to

> compromise seeming 'contradictory elements' that surround the

> spiritually discerning person... shows their ability, tests their

> ability. These are spiritual qualities that are very important in

> doing any spiritual work whatsoever. Nothing is ever as easy

> as 'black' and 'white'. Nothing is ever simplistic when dealing

> with 'complicated human beings'. Especially when new enlightenment

> comes. Shri Mataji often spoke about the difficulties She faced to

> try and 'get through' to human beings. Love is the only answer,

> and the power of Love melts the hardest hearts. i find it

> interesting also that on one hand you you have been put into a

> place whereby you " have to " deal with the mystical, and on the

> other hand you have been put in a place whereby " you have " to do

> the job of what you describe as a " night-soil-carrier " .)

>

> You said:

>

> " On April 2, 1995, at 11:20 a.m. Kash was told to obtain

> permission from the Great Universal Mother to reveal the Truth. He

> meditated and emerged through the clouds into the Land of Eternal

> Life. The Primal Light shone ever so brightly from above as the

> Holy Spirit of God sat in Bliss and Joy. After bowing down and

> exchanging greetings, he asked the Great Mater Purissima (Purest

> Mother) if She would grant permission. She gave Her blessings with

> a reminder that this intuitive Knowledge was especially for Her

> devotees. "

>

> (So... is this knowledge for " Her Devotees " outside as well as

> inside the organisation of SY? Would you say that whether Her

> Devotees are inside or outside the organisation of SY, that it

> would be those who devote themselves in the following way?:

>

> " You have to dedicate yourself completely to me, not to Sahaja

> Yoga, but to me. Sahaja Yoga is only one of my aspects. Leaving

> everything you have to dedicate. Complete dedication - otherwise

> you cannot ascend any further. Without questioning, without

> arguing. Complete dedication is the only way you can achieve it. " )

>

> (i always find interesting the words " Land of Eternal Life " . Is

> this a spiritual state and place combined. Shri Jesus describes

> what i understand as not only a 'spiritual state' but also

> a 'spiritual place' and these seem to be combined as One Thing...

> for example:

>

> " In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so,

> I would have told you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I

> will come again, and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there

> you may be also. And you know the way where I am going. I am the

> way and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father, but

> through me. " John 14:2-4; 6b)

>

> (i also have a question about Kash and Lalita. Did they incarnate

> especially just because of this Special Time, and would not have

> needed to do otherwise? Is it possible that there are many such

> people in the world today, who are spiritually liberated souls

> that have just come from this Special Time also?)

>

> You said:

>

> " It was at this point that the actual compilation of his spiritual

> journeys began in earnest. Kash was questioned practically every

> day, sometimes repeatedly, to clarify and confirm what he saw,

> heard, thought, spoke, smelled, touched, and tasted. Often

> questions were asked suddenly when he least expected just to get

> him off-guard to confirm consistency. All answers came with a calm

> and nonchalant attitude, without contradiction. "

>

> (i would have done the same. Such astounding mystical knowledge

> had to be questioned and cross-examined for the benefit of

> humanity. However, it must have been a bit 'tricky' at times to

> get this knowledge from them. Because in my experience sometimes

> children just do not want to talk and will wonder why adults need

> to know everything. Did you find this sometimes too? And yet

> again, you may have had to 'straddle' these perhaps 'contradictory

> elements' yet again. Life is never easy, but always a challenge.

> Kash, for example had obviously incarnated to " give spiritual

> evidence " as a child. Spiritually liberated souls do incarnate for

> special tasks... even as children.)

>

> You said:

>

> " However, the adverse reactions from almost all quarters regarding

> the experiences of Kash experiences were disturbing. After a few

> months of writing his father began deleting evidence of Kash and

> Lalita's spiritual identities. To officially reveal to the Sahaja

> Yogis that they were indeed angels would only make matters worse. "

>

> (That was sad that SYs were so adverse against you, that you even

> had to delete Kash and Lalita's spiritual identities as " angels " ,

> however obviously things are changing now, and you feel more free

> to express what needs to be told. The spiritual eschatology needs

> to be known to be fulfilled. Shri Mataji told SYs many times that

> all the deities/devas/ganas/angels had accompanied Her and were

> here with Her, witnessing with great interest everything She was

> doing and also protecting Her. She also told at Her Visit to

> Australia in 1994 (and not in 1993 as i mistakenly 'put' as the

> year of Her Visit) that " special personalities " (which we now know

> are " angels " ) would be born in Montreal, Canada who would " give

> evidence " (proof) of Her Incarnation.)

>

> You said:

>

> " This assertion would be regarded as blatant self-advertisement, a

> shameless bid for grandiose fame. It would be better for everyone

> if such a preposterous claim be withdrawn. Kash's spiritual

> abilities could be ascribed to him being just a jivanmukti, a

> liberated soul. Lalita could be briefly mentioned as the

> fulfillment of the Adi Shakti's promise to Kash that his wish for

> a sister would come true. "

>

> (It is difficult for people to understand spiritual things.

> However, things are changing, due to the spiritual vibrations that

> have come on Earth. A materially-minded-person cannot discern 'the

> spiritual'. They believe that even 'the spiritual manifestation'

> has to be for selfish purposes of self-advertisement and fame.

> This is because that is how they themselves think with their " own "

> materialistic and egotistical minds. One day they will also become

> spiritually discerning, and they will also realise that truly

> spiritual souls give and expect nothing in return. Their spiritual

> reward comes from within themselves, and God gives and rewards

> abundantly with truth, joy and sheer bliss that is beyond

> any 'worldly (mental) understanding'.)

>

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>

> violet

>

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> i would like to explore some spiritual subjects and make comments

> also. i have re-edited my previous post as i felt i should make

> myself clearer with my questions and comments in some cases. So,

> could you please answer to this post rather than the one i have

> deleted. Thanks.

>

> violet

>

Dear Violet and All,

i always welcome enquiries and will answer them to the best of my

ability. Clarification of the issues will only enrich all of us and

rid ourselves of ignorance, misconceptions, negativity and fears. It

is the revelations of the Divine Feminine within that are priceless

beyond anything as they confirm and compliment beyond a shadow of

doubt that Shri Mataji is Her incarnation i.e., a divine personality

sent to show humans the path of salvation and evolution into the

eternal spirit. This knowledge is absolutely required for

enlightenment and liberation, the difference between Heaven and

Earth.

>

> " The First Permission In The Sahasrara… "

>

> You said:

>

> " Kash's father knew that such an unprecedented opportunity for all

> humanity to examine and validate the Truth of God almighty might

> not come again. In his mind he was convinced that he had to

> perform his duty even if everybody — his parents, friends,

> relatives, and fellow Sahaja Yogis — ridiculed, criticized, or

> ostracized him. " Some have said that no answer can be found to the

> mystery, for humans have created it and no suprahuman or

> supernatural answer exists. " This centuries-old dilemma that had

> allowed religious regimes to conjecture contradicting dogma could

> now be solved. " END QUOTE

>

> (Jagbir, could you please clarify what unprecedented opportunity

> you are referring to? Is this the opportunity to validate the

> Incarnation of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi as the Adi Shakti/Holy

> Spirit/Ruh of Allah? Also... what is the 'mystery' you are

> referring to? What is the answer that has been revealed that

> dispels this previous 'mystery' that faced all religious regimes?)

>

The unprecedented opportunity is that humanity can cross-examine the

evidence presented of the Divine Feminine and Her Message against

the holy scriptures of all traditions. In other words, third-party

witnesses on their own free have borne testimony that Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi is telling the truth when claiming that She is the

incarnation of the Divine Feminine (Shakti/Holy Spirit/Ruh/Eykaa

Mayee) sent to deliver the Message of the Last Judgment and

Resurrection. Kash, Arwinder and Lalita have always insisted that

physical Shri Mataji is the incarnation of the internal, eternal and

ever-youthful Divine Feminine within, that they are one and the

same.

When i quoted " Some have said that no answer can be found to the

mystery, for humans have created it and no suprahuman or

supernatural answer exists. " i was referring to the mystery of God

Almighty/Brahman based exclusively on suprahuman/supernatural

experiences. On the basis of thousands of such experiences we now

know that not only the Creator but all His/Her messengers and

liberated souls exist in the Kingdom of God. We know that the holy

scriptures are telling the Truth, and that there is the eternal

Afterlife. This unprecedented opportunity gives humans renewed

faith, boundless hope, and great joy that God Almighty has

manifested the long-awaited promised Age of the Last Judgment and

Resurrection to evolve from the temporary physical body to the

eternal spiritual self and everlasting life. This is only possible

through suprahuman or supernatural experiences and answers given by

liberated souls accompanying the Adi Shakti, evidence that can be

openly cross-examined by those who believe in God Almighty/Brahman.

" Suprahuman: " Hinduism's revealed scriptures, of supreme theological

authority and spiritual value. They are timeless teachings

transmitted to rishis, or seers, directly by God thousands of years

ago. Shruti is thus said to be apaurusheya, " impersonal, " or

rather " suprahuman. " ... These are direct intuitional revelations

and are held to be Apaurusheya or entirely superhuman. " "

www.experiencefestival.com/

Supernatural " The supernatural (Latin: super- " exceeding " + nature)

refers to forces and phenomena which are not observed in nature, and

therefore beyond verifiable measurement. If a phenomenon can be

demonstrated, it can no longer be considered supernatural. Because

phenomena must be subject verifiable measurement and peer review to

contribute to scientific theories, science cannot approach the

supernatural; see scientific method.

" Measure what is measurable, and make measurable what is not so. " --

Galileo

Concepts in the supernatural domain are closely related to concepts

in religious spirituality and metaphysics. The term " supernatural "

is often used interchangeably with paranormal or preternatural — the

latter typically limited to an adjective for describing abilities

which appear to exceed possible bounds.

Supernatural claims assert phenomena beyond the realm of current

scientific understanding, and may likewise be in direct conflict

with scientific concepts of possibility, plausibility, or reality in

general. The supernatural concept is generally identified with

religion or other unscientific belief systems — though there is much

debate as to whether a supernatural aspect is necessary for

religion, or that religion is necessary for holding a concept of the

supernatural. "

Wikipedia (supernatural)

" After communion comes the homeward journey, the descent! That is

the other miracle in this magnificent. The illumined God-men, out of

their compassionate grace for the fellow brethren, choose to come

down to assuage their suffering and dispel their darkness, by

pointing out the trackless pathway to the divine Presence! With the

armour of God's grace, these realised seers descend from the state

of perfect quiescence and eternal union with the Supreme Bliss, to

the habitat of the body — It is from this station that they can lead

their fellow Jivan-Muktar to engage in the service of Siva, and work

for the liberation of as many earnest seekers after truth, in

attuning to the will of God. Such Jivan-Muktar are tuned to enjoy

dynamic identity with the inner Presence, and this is known as the

Turiya state. They are the spiritual preceptors or Gurus, having the

divine authority to speak on behalf of God. "

Hinduism Today

(Himalayan Academy, 1998, www.hinduismtoday.kauai.hi.us/welcome.html)

" Vedantic seers say that one cannot attain complete Freedom and

Knowledge in life by experiencing the nirvikalpaka samadhi once or

twice. Only by repeated practice can one become established in

Brahman and rid oneself of all the vestiges of maya. The seed of

ignorance must be fully roasted in the fire by Brahmanjnana, the

Knowledge of the Absolute, so that it may never germinate again.

Thus alone does one become a jivanmukta, liberated in this life

though still living in a human body. Such a man breaks through the

fetters of attachment and rushes out of the prison-house of the

world, as a lion rushes out of its cage. This Freedom is achieved

when one is rid of ignorance and its paralysing effects.

A jivan mukta demonstrates, by his life and action, the reality of

Brahman and the illusoriness of the names and forms of the relative

world. Having himself crossed the ocean of birth and death, he helps

others to the shores of Immortality. Such a man keeps religion

alive, not the erudite theologian . . .

About such a person it can truly be said that he exists, because he

has become one with Existence; knows, because he has become one with

Knowledge; and enjoys bliss, because he has become one with Bliss

Absolute. He does not have to go back to the world of darkness

again; for he has entered into the world of Light. If compassion for

human kind moves him to assume again a body, he is born as a free

soul always conscious of his divine nature. "

Swami Nikhilananda, Self-Knowledge (Atmabodha),

Ramakrishna-Vivekananda Center, 1989, p. 110-11.)

>

> You said:

>

> " Kash's father became resolute. He reiterated that he would

> announce this Ultimate Reality, given the vast weight of

> unquestionable evidence, no matter how ridiculous others thought

> of his claims. It was imperative that he did so and allow the

> entire human race and history to judge him, and not a few

> skeptical individuals. "

>

> (What are the main details of this " Ultimate Reality " that you

> wanted to announce?)

>

" The Hindu tradition encourages Hindus to seek spiritual and moral

truth wherever it might be found, while acknowledging that no creed

can contain such truth in its fullness and that each individual must

realize this truth through his or her own systematic effort. Our

experience, our reason, and our dialogue with others—especially with

enlightened individuals—provide various means of testing our

understanding of spiritual and moral truth. And Hindu scripture,

based on the insights of Hindu sages and seers, serves primarily as

a guidebook. But ultimately truth comes to us through direct

consciousness of the divine or the ultimate reality. In other

religions this ultimate reality is known as God. Hindus refer to it

by many names, but the most common name is Brahman. "

MSN Encarta

" Universal Self (atman) and Ultimate Reality (Brahman)

One of the key concepts of Hinduism is the belief in an ultimate

reality called Brahman which is the source of all living things in

this universe.

Brahman is the ground of all reality and existence. Brahman is

uncreated, external, infinite and all-embracing. It is the ultimate

cause and goal of all that exists. It is One and it is All. All

beings emanate from Brahman; all beings will return back to the same

source. Brahman is in all things and it is the true Self (atman) of

all beings.

Upanishads, the ancient scripture of Hinduism, teaches that the

ultimate ground of the universe is one with the ground of the

thinker himself. For instance Chandogya Upanishad suggested, " tat

tvam asi " ('that art thou' or " that is what you are. " ) expressing

the identity of Brahman and the Self (atman).

" Now, the name of this Brahman is 'Real' (satyam). This word has

three syllables: sa, ti, and yam. Of these, sat is the immortal, and

ti is the mortal, while the syllable yam is what joins those two

together. Because the two are joined together (yam) by it, it is

called yam. Anyone who knows this goes to the heavenly world every

single day. " - from the Chandogya Upanishad

He is the Supreme Brahman, the Self of all, the chief foundation of

this world, subtler than the subtle, eternal. That thou art; thou art

That. - Atharva Veda

He is the eternal Reality, sing the scriptures,

And the ground of existence.

Those who perceive him in every creature

Merge in him and are released from

The wheel of birth and death. - Shvetashvatara Upanishad

In its deepest essence, the human soul is identical with the

immortal Brahman that sustains the entire universe. Bhagavad Gita

says that " those who know the soul, are immortal. "

I shall tell you of the soul. The soul is God who is immortal and

infinite, who has no beginning and will have no end, and who both

exists and does not exist. Those who know the soul, are immortal.

The soul dwells in every living being, and in every part of every

living being; it dwells in the hand and the foot, the skull and the

mouth, the eye and the ear. Although it does not itself have senses,

it shines through every sense. It is completely independent, yet all

beings depend on it.

The soul is both near every living being, and far from every being.

The soul is both inside and outside every living being. The soul is

the cause of movement, but does not itself move. The soul is one,

yet has innumerable forms. The soul creates, preserves, and destroys.

The soul is the light of every light; and its light transcends the

duality of brightness and darkness. The soul is the light of

knowledge; and its light is also the goal of knowledge. In the soul

the subject and object of knowledge are one.

Bhagavad Gita 13.12-17

Vedic literature suggests that there is a single essence (brahman)

that underlies all existence and animates all living beings. A

person's realization of the identity and unity of atman and brahman

is believed to bring about liberation or moksha. When that happens,

he or she is freed from all restraints of the mind and body, and

thereby transcends all distinctions. Both the Upanishads and later

philosophy emphasize the role of jnana or knowledge in the

attainment of moksha.

The concept that brahman and atman are ultimately the same is very

difficult to understand. The Chandogya Upanishad, for example,

compares the learning process to reach there to crossing the ocean

of suffering. A person needs to meditate on the nature of the self

to know brahman. Brahman cannot be defined according to Hindus,

because to define brahman would mean limiting it. So we arrive at a

paradoxical situation. …

Brahma satyam jagan mithya

Brahman is real; the world is unreal.

Ekam evadvitiyam brahma

Brahman is one, without a second.

Prajnanam brahman

Brahman is the supreme knowledge.

Tat tvam asi

That is what you are.

Ayam atma brahma

Atman and brahman are the same.

Aham brahmasmi

I am brahman.

Sarvam khalvidam brahma

All of this is brahman. "

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