“SM’s Identity and Divine Message may be too much for seekers!!! Are you sure???

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" SM's Identity and Divine Message may be too much for seekers??? Are

you sure???

 

Dear All,

 

On this forum and in the local collectives, we have often heard SYs say that

Shri Mataji's Identity and Divine Message may be too much for seekers. Are you

sure? Are you sure Shri Mataji agrees with what you are saying when you say it

is too much for seekers to divulge Shri Mataji's identity and Divine Message

upfront? Perhaps it is time to read and understand that SM has explicitly stated

that not only is She IN FAVOUR OF FULL DISCLOSURE, BUT THAT SHE INSISTS UPON

IT!!!

 

My pranaams go to Chandra, who first posted Shri Mataji's views on this subject:

/message/5809

 

Therefore... i believe it behooves us to collectively examine what Shri Mataji

Herself said on this subject:

 

Shri Mataji: " Seven main auras, and these come from the brain which is the

seat. Now in the centre, at the Brahmarandhra we've got the heart chakra,

alright. The heart is here, and around it are all these auras, if you see, in

the brain. In the same way, they are surrounding the heart. So if you know about

them, it will circulate, the knowledge will circulate, but circulate with love,

without any aggressiveness, without any showing-off, without any cunning,

without any sarcasm; in a full, straight-forward, loving manner.

 

But for that we have to remember that we have developed lots of antidotes in

England. Like the words I've seen people use, very common is, 'That may be too

much,' 'It may be too much.' 'They're frightened.' 'One shouldn't say too much.'

You should, when you say too much at least little bit will go into their heads. "

(END QUOTE)

 

Firstly, Shri Mataji says that 'we have developed lots of antidotes in England,

like 'that may be too much'... 'they're frightened'... and... 'one shouldn't say

too much'. But folks! Is that not exactly what we are hearing today from Sahaja

Yogis! We have even heard this 'antidotal sentiment' on this forum, which just

goes to show how pervasive this 'antidotal sentiment' is! Yet the problem (as

Jagbir has also stated) is that with all the subtle system knowledge, many

Sahaja Yogis still do not understand the " gnosis " . Shri Mataji refers to this

gnosis when She says:

 

" Seven main auras, and these come from the brain which is the seat. Now in the

centre, at the Brahmarandhra we've got the heart chakra, alright. The heart is

here, and around it are all these auras, if you see, in the brain. In the same

way, they are surrounding the heart. So if you know about them...(Break Quote)

(LETS STOP RIGHT HERE FOR A MINUTE):

 

What could Shri Mataji be meaning when She says " So if you know about them??? "

 

First of all, Shri Mataji is talking about the knowledge of the heart and its

seven main auras that surround the heart. Then She says: " So... if you know

about them... (then) " it will circulate, the knowledge will circulate, but

circulate with love, without any aggressiveness, without any showing-off,

without any cunning without any sarcasm; in a full, straight-forward, loving

manner... when we know the 7 auras in our heart. " (EQ)

 

So! Do you perchance imagine that now you know there are 7 auras surrounding the

heart that you are now " in knowledge " ??? Because if you do... i have to tell you

that it is still only an external knowledge of the workings of the human

psychosomatic system. The " individual journey within " must be taken to access

the internal knowledge which is the Pure Knowledge of the Spirit. This knowledge

is a Heart Knowledge that is beyond any Mental Knowing. It is a Gnostic

Knowledge... a Heart Knowledge of the Spirit within the person, and therefore it

is also called " gnosis " .

 

i say this because, it is only when we have the gnostic knowledge within that we

can do as Shri Mataji asks, which is to " circulate the knowledge with love...

without any aggressiveness... without any showing-off... without any cunning...

without any sarcasm... and in a full straight-forward loving manner! " It is only

when we have the gnostic knowledge that we will be able to give Her Message in

the gnostic way... just as She Herself has done all these last thirty years or

so.

 

The next words of Shri Mataji really get into the " nitty gritty " of things.

Please read on and inform yourself about what Shri Mataji told Sahaja Yogis on

the 21st of September, 1985 at Sheffield:

 

Shri Mataji: " So you have to say too much! " (EQ)

(SO YOU " HAVE TO " SAY " TOO MUCH " !!!)

 

Shri Mataji: " Say what you want! " (EQ)

(SAY WHAT YOU WANT!!!)

 

Shri Mataji: " There should be exuberance, exuberance of your ideas, so that

something goes into their heads! " (EQ)

(THERE SHOULD BE EXUBERANCE OF YOUR IDEAS, SO THAT SOMETHING GOES INTO THEIR

HEADS!!!)

 

Shri Mataji: " They know that you're sincere, you're saying it sincerely, you

cannot contain within yourself. Emphatically you have to say these. " (EQ)

(EMPHATICALLY YOU HAVE TO SAY THESE!!!).

 

Shri Mataji: " That's what everybody did. All those who were great incarnations

said it with such concern, with such force. In the same way, you have to say

without any fear. 'Oh, that may be too much, Mother it was too much for him.'

Let him be blasted! Doesn't matter, say everything that you have to say.

Absolutely, with full heart! " (EQ)

 

(Is it " LET HIM BE BLASTED!!!... 'when it is said'... 'OH, THAT MAY BE TOO MUCH,

MOTHER!!! " .... or is it 'LET HIM BE BLASTED WITH THE TRUTH!!!'? After all, Shri

Mataji is not too pleased with any understatement of the Truths She taught. i

feel that Shri Mataji is 'blasting' the understatement of the Truth... as well

as asking us to 'blast the Truth' with exuberance and not 'mince' our words. The

important thing is to say it with a full heart. A person can say anything...

just like Shri Mataji did... IF THEY SAY IT WITH A FULL HEART. Only if it is

said with a FULL HEART... folks... will people be able to accept it. And that

requires confidence within yourself. You have to be " confident " about the Truth!

This is where Her Earlier Introduction about the Heart and its 7 Auras comes

in... folks. It is all about your expression of Sahaja Yoga. Full disclosure of

the Truth with a Full Heart and your exuberance about it... is what is needed to

get Her Message across!)

 

So... what else did Shri Mataji have to say on that Day of Disclosure at

Sheffield on September 21, 1985?

 

Shri Mataji: " But when people come to Sahaja Yoga, when they come for say, a

workshop or something, we try to be the same party people. Like in the party,

you see, `What will you have?' Then we'll say alright, let me think, 'What did I

have yesterday, so I'll have today this thing.' It's like a shopping going on. "

(EQ)

 

(Shri Mataji is saying that 'Sahaj Workshops' is " LIKE A SHOPPING GOING ON!!!???

Those are very strong words indeed, folks. My goodness! Isn't that a shock!!!

Why then are Her Teachings and Her Message still being given in the " Sahaj

Workshopping Format " ??? Surely, if She did not prefer that, it should not 'be

given' that way then! So... since Shri Mataji clearly stated She did not like

the standardized " Sahaja Yoga Workshopping Party'... She must have suggested a

preferred alternative of promoting Sahaja Yoga at that time in 1985. And so She

did!):

 

Shri Mataji: " No, you have to say, 'We have this and please have it now,

otherwise you won't have it. This is the time!' Let them say what they like.

It's important. I see sometimes your SDP conferences and all these, the way they

speak, they just blast you, I mean, hammer in your head. Why should we not, when

this is the truth. Why should we not tell them and talk to them in that manner.

We think by being gentle... alright gentleness is different, but I mean to say

by saying less than I say, understatement. It's typical English. 'That might be

too much.' " (EQ)

 

(Please note Shri Mataji's use of the word " time " . It needs to be written with a

capital " T " ... as in Time, to really understand the particular 'time' that Shri

Mataji is referring to. This 'time' is in fact the " Time of the Last Judgment

and Resurrection! " And Shri Mataji has talked countless this Special " Time "

countless of times!

 

Shri Mataji has told countless times that 'people need to know what TIME it is'!

They need to know that it is the Time of the Last Judgment and Resurrection...

" The Blossom Time " ... the 'time' in which we can become our Spirit and enter

the Kingdom of Heaven within. She Mataji has Herself told 'that She has made it

into a beautiful thing'... and not a 'doomsday thing' as many religions have

done. She has told us that She has come as the Incarnation of the Adi Shakti

('the Christian Comforter')... to introduce us to the Mother Within (the Holy

Spirit within). The Holy Spirit within gives us our Second Birth of the Spirit.

She was able to do this because She resides in the Sahasrara (Kingdom of God

within):

 

" You know that I reside in the Sahasrara (Kingdom of God within). I incarnated

on the Lotus of 1000 Petals; that is why I could break it open also. "

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Sahasrara Puja Sorento, Italy — May 6, 1989 (EQ)

 

Shri Mataji is in fact, quite firm on the point that all these facts need to be

told upfront, without fear or favour. She is also quite firm on the point that

if anything... these facts need to be " overstated " rather than understated. But

the 'English'... Shri Mataji states... 'typically understate things'. She states

that it all seems 'too much' for the 'English'... this Message of Time " ! For the

English, this message of the 'time'... needs to be made into a 'delicat-essen'

(a 'delicate-eating'). But Shri Mataji says to put out with Full Heart what we

have. Otherwise people will not have the Truth!!!

 

Shri Mataji also cites what is a " SDP Conference " ... and uses their methods as a

good example to follow. i am not sure what an " SDP Conference " is, but maybe

someone can explain that. In any case... i have found a URL about SDF

Conferencing, so we might have some idea of it anyway):

 

http://www.telenity.com/telescope/06-02/Reaching_an_Industry_Consensus_on_Defini\

ng_a_True_SDP.php

 

Lets continue on and see what else Shri Mataji said that day:

 

Shri Mataji: " In Sahaja Yoga it is such a lot that how much are you going to

pour out... can never be too much! So be careful on that! (EQ)

 

(There is so much to pour out in Sahaja Yoga that it can never be too much!!!???

Shri Mataji is very obviously saying that we have to be careful that we are

" pouring out enough " !!!... of Sahaja Yoga.)

 

Shri Mataji: " When you've to say it, say it in a very blasty way, doesn't

matter. What are they going to do? They can't crucify me this time, can they?

They dare not. Otherwise perfectly alright, nothing can touch me. And even

crucifixion cannot touch me, you know that.

 

(Yes... we can reveal the identity of Shri Mataji. She has most certainly stated

that She will not be in " any spiritual jeopardy " if Her Identity is revealed...

folks!!! Shri Mataji has given the " Absolute Green Light " to " Go Ahead " and

declare Her Identity and Divine Message to the world in very explicit terms of

the " Time " we are living in.

 

As She Herself says in the quote above:

 

" What are they going to do? They can't crucify me this time, can they? They dare

not. Otherwise perfectly alright, nothing can touch me. And even crucifixion

cannot touch me, you know that. (EQ)

 

(Let this be an understanding for all Sahaja Yogis then... 'for-all-time'...

that in Her Eyes there is no valid excuse for She has " nulled and voided " all

excuses by saying that " nothing can touch Her " !!! Therefore... any excuse is

your own and cannot be attached to Shri Mataji.)

 

Shri Mataji then says:

 

" So you better say what you've found out, in a big way. And tell them in a big

way, of course loving and gentle manner but tell them, the concern should be

there. Alright? " (EQ)

 

(It should then be " real clear then " that " no excuses whatsoever " !!! are valid

in Shri Mataji's Eyes... not even such excuses as are given in the year of 2006,

twenty-one-years-later!!!):

 

/message/5929

 

Shri Mataji: " Now this is what it is one has to understand that there is

nothing, 'Say a little bit,' then they think, 'He's a shaky man.' (EQ)

 

(Shri Mataji is clearly saying here that to tell only a little bit of the Truth

and to hide some of it, is going to make people wonder about the credibility of

Sahaja Yogis... especially the credibility of the Organisation of Sahaja Yoga

itself... " WHO DON'T EVEN DO IT AS AN ORGANISATION " !!!???

 

'That this 'Up-Front-Ness' is lacking'... is not going to give Seekers of the

Truth that confidence in Sahaja Yogis which should be there. What will the

Seekers of the Truth think about Sahaja Yogis who cannot even declare Her

Identity and Divine Message upfront in public... but only at private

meetings!!!??? It will not instill confidence! That is for sure! It is more

likely that they will feel that " something just does not add up " ! How can they

have confidence in an organisation that cannot stand up for the Very Truth it

declares to have In Its Own Possession!!! This is a " very shaky situation "

indeed.)

 

Shri Mataji: " But when they sing horrible songs on the mike, eating the mike, I

say 'eating-the-mike' music.They go on aggressing on the mike and people go mad

with it, they like it. I don't say you aggress but don't say anything less,

understatement is not needed. There should not be any balancing in that. " (EQ)

 

(Shri Mataji uses 'horrible-songs-on-the-mike' music and how they 'eat-the-mike'

when they sing... as an illustration to Sahaja Yogis of " aggression " that people

" like " . However, SM is making the point that She is not meaning " that kind of

aggression " but that we should OVER-STATE rather than under-state Her Divine

Message and Identity.)

 

Shri Mataji: " Those people who'll be appeased by that will not be good Sahaja

Yogis. They cannot come in the Kingdom of God. We don't have to be begging of

them but we have to honour them, we have to respect them, we have to be kind to

them, but we have to give them what we have. Like in the family, you go, you get

everything from the fridge and give it to them, they'll be very happy to take it

whatever you like, what a spread. " (EQ)

 

(Sahaja Yoga meaning " spontaneous union with the Divine " ... is for " The Seekers

of the Truth " !!! It is not for people who just want to become 'nice meditators'

or who just want to become 'knowledgable subtle system pundits'! Knowledge of

meditation and chakras can be gotten in many other places, however " the Absolute

Truth " can only be " felt on the fingertips " in Sahaja Yoga ( " spontaneous union

with the Divine " )!!! And only the Seekers of the Truth are going to be

interested in that... anyway. People are not going to be 'all that interested in

what SM has to say'... if all they really want is to be good meditators and have

the subtle-system-knowledge.

 

If you will remember... Shri Mataji often addressed Her Public Speeches to " The

Seekers of the Truth " . Shri Mataji never tried to appease anyone. She spoke very

directly to the " Seekers of the Truth " ... and that is whom She addressed most

clearly because only the seekers of the truth will want to hear what is Her

Identity and Divine Message that She 'has come to give' to the world. People who

want less than the Truth will become mediocre SYs.

 

However, the Seekers of the Truth... WANT THE TRUTH!!! So give them the Truth,

the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth!!! Just like SM has done all these

years. Be daring 'and not sparing' with the Truth just as SM has done... WHICH

IS WHY " YOU " HAPPEN TO KNOW " HER IDENTITY " AND " HER DIVINE MESSAGE " . Shri Mataji

honoured you, respected you, was kind to you, and gave you the Whole Truth! Why

should Sahaja Yogis do any less then?

 

In fact to do any less, is 'not to honour, not to respect, not to be kind, not

to give it your all (the Truth) like Shri Mataji has given it to you!!!

 

If you appease people with subtle-system-and-meditation-knowledge ONLY... just

so they might get attracted to the organisation of SY... they are not

necessarily going to make great Sahaja Yogis. However, if you approach people

with the Truth of Shri Mataji's Identity and Divine Message (upfront)... those

who are the real " Seekers of the Truth " will go for it. This is because they are

more interested in the Truth than in the subtle-system-and-chakra-knowledge to

begin with! Subtle-system-knowledge and knowing how to meditate is nice to have.

However, the Absolute Truth is the most important Key to give the people

first... right from the start! Then they will know that their Self-Realisation

is related to Jesus's Promise of the " Christian Comforter' that 'was to come'.

Then they will realise why their self-realisaton is so important to have now!

Then they will at least be aware of the nature of its treasure... 'that it is

the Key to their Spiritual Liberation, Salvation, or Moksha!!! To understate the

Truth of the Last Judgment and Resurrrection at this crucial point is a complete

spiritual travesty of " major " proportions!!! If this information is not told,

that person may never ever hear it again! And who will be responsible!!!??? YOU

WILL IF YOU DID NOT TELL THEM... FOLKS... i am sorry to have to say it, but it

is the Truth.)

 

Shri Mataji: " But if you put one little fish and two eggs for ten people with

one chilli to say that it is Sahaja Yoga, maybe a lemon, they will think,

'What's this going on here. Wishy-washy stuff.'(EQ)

 

(Folks!!!... The external subtle system knowledge and meditation techniques are

not enough to feed " spiritually-hungry-souls " who " long for something more " . i

can tell you that the main thing that attracted me to SY was Shri Mataji

Herself, when i saw a photo of Her in front of my house smiling at me from the

bus shelter. i completely forgot about that till many years later. So... i did

not even know that when i did the Sahaj Meditation at someone's home that it was

connected to that 'Mother-type-Lady' that i saw at the bus-stop!

 

As Shri Mataji has 'put it'... all external things which we make out " are Sahaja

Yoga " ... such as " one little fish and two eggs for ten people with perhaps a

chilli added to it " is questionable. SM Herself asks: " WHAT IS GOING ON

HERE???!!! " Then She pronounces 'what is going on'... as " WISHY-WASHY STUFF " !

 

And so it is folks... " and so it is " .)

 

( " The English are scholars, " Sheffield, 21/9/85)

 

/message/5809

 

However, what Shri Mataji told on 21/9/85 at Sheffield is all very good news for

us on this forum, because on this forum and websites, we are doing exactly as

Shri Mataji has asked all Sahaja Yogis to do! We just want more Sahaja Yogis to

be conscientious and do what Shri Mataji asked... also.

 

We need to be aware that the Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Kitchen is producing

half-baked Sahaja Yogis who are missing the essential ingredient of declaring

upfront Her Identity and Her Divine Message. Without this 'Raising and Leavening

Agent': " If you put one little fish and two eggs for ten people with one chilli

to say that it is Sahaja Yoga, maybe a lemon, they will think, 'What's this

going on here. Wishy-washy stuff.'!!!

 

Jai Shri Mataji!

 

violet

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

This is to continue the thread TELL ALL THE NATIONS and also to

present some points to meditate on in conjunction with the

Shivaratri Puja weekend.

 

I recently came across the excerpt as appended below where Shri

Mataji expresses in no uncertain terms what She wants of Sahaja

Yogis in the dissemination of Her Divine Message. Although these

words were spoken in England to the English Sahaja Yogis, these are

really words for all the Sahaja Yogis of the world and for all time,

or at least for the time remaining of the Last Judgment.

 

Here are the highlights of Shri Mataji's speech: " Say what you want.

There should be exuberance, exuberance of your ideas...Emphatically

you have to say these... Let him be blasted! Doesn't matter, say

everything that you have to say. Absolutely, with full heart... Why

should we not, when this is the truth. Why should we not tell them

and talk to them in that manner... When you've to say it, say it in

a very blasty way, doesn't matter. What are they going to do? They

can't crucify me this time, can they? They dare not... So you better

say what you've found out, in a big way. And tell them in a big

way... "

 

And Shri Mataji stresses that there should be no understatement (in

the expression of the Divine Message), as the English and the Sahaja

Yogis are wont to; no weasel words in expressing the glory of Her

Incarnation.

 

C.

 

 

" ...Seven main auras, and these come from the brain which is the

seat. Now in the centre, at the Brahmarandhra we've got the heart

chakra, alright. The heart is here, and around it are all these

auras, if you see, in the brain. In the same way, they are

surrounding the heart. So if you know about them, it will circulate,

the knowledge will circulate, but circulate with love, without any

aggressiveness, without any showing-off, without any cunning,

without any sarcasm; in a full, straight-forward, loving manner. But

for that we have to remember that we have developed lots of

antidotes in England. Like the words I've seen people use, very

common is, 'That may be too much,' 'It may be too much.' 'They're

frightened.' 'One shouldn't say too much.' You should, when you say

too much at least little bit will go into their heads. So you have

to say too much. Say what you want. There should be exuberance,

exuberance of your ideas, so that something goes into their heads.

They know that you're sincere, you're saying it sincerely, you

cannot contain within yourself. Emphatically you have to say these.

That's what everybody did. All those who were great incarnations

said it with such concern, with such force. In the same way, you

have to say without any fear. 'Oh, that may be too much, Mother it

was too much for him.' Let him be blasted! Doesn't matter, say

everything that you have to say. Absolutely, with full heart. But

when people come to Sahaja Yoga, when they come for say, a workshop

or something, we try to be the same party people. Like in the party,

you see, 'What will you have?' Then we'll say alright, let me

think, 'What did I have yesterday, so I'll have today this thing.'

It's like a shopping going on. No, you have to say, 'We have this

and please have it now, otherwise you won't have it. This is the

time!' Let them say what they like. It's important. I see sometimes

your SDP conferences and all these, the way they speak, they just

blast you, I mean, hammer in your head. Why should we not, when this

is the truth. Why should we not tell them and talk to them in that

manner. We think by being gentle... alright gentleness is different,

but I mean to say by saying less than I say, understatement. It's

typical English. 'That might be too much.' In Sahaja Yoga it is such

a lot that how much are you going to pour out, can never be too

much. So be careful on that. When you've to say it, say it in a very

blasty way, doesn't matter. What are they going to do? They can't

crucify me this time, can they? They dare not. Otherwise perfectly

alright, nothing can touch me. And even crucifixion cannot touch me,

you know that. So you better say what you've found out, in a big

way. And tell them in a big way, of course loving and gentle manner

but tell them, the concern should be there. Alright? Now this is

what it is one has to understand that there is nothing, 'Say a

little bit,' then they think, 'He's a shaky man.' But when they sing

horrible songs on the mike, eating the mike, I say eating the mike

music.They go on aggressing on the mike and people go mad with it,

they like it. I don't say you aggress but don't say anything less,

understatement is not needed. There should not be any balancing in

that. Those people who'll be appeased by that will not be good

Sahaja Yogis. They cannot come in the Kingdom of God. We don't have

to be begging of them but we have to honour them, we have to respect

them, we have to be kind to them, but we have to give them what we

have. Like in the family, you go, you get everything from the fridge

and give it to them, they'll be very happy to take it whatever you

like, what a spread. But if you put one little fish and two eggs for

ten people with one chilli to say that it is Sahaja Yoga, maybe a

lemon, they will think, 'What's this going on here. Wishy-washy

stuff.'

 

( " The English are scholars, " Sheffield, 21/9/85)

 

/message/5809

[Guest guest]

Dear Violet,

 

In the eighties there was a political party in Britain called the

Social Democratic Party, hence SDP. Shri Mataji was referring to the

annual party conferences of the main political parties in Britain

usually held in the early autumn, when rabble-rousing and fire-in-

the-belly oratory was and still is the the order of the day. As Shri

Mataji said of these political fire-brands: " ... the way they speak,

they just blast you, I mean, hammer in your head. "

 

However, the dainty darlings of Sahaja Yoga's governing liberal

establishment have decreed that the public are going to be offended

by a too up-front or in-your-face extollation of Shri Mataji's

Incarnation. Hence there is no question of blasting anybody with a

too-direct proclamation of the greatness of the Divine Mother. We

have to tip-toe at all times and we have to be very polite lest we

unnecessarily or rudely rouse the public from their drunken reverie.

Worse still, we might even frighten the horses with our

irresponsible talk of the Resurrection and the Last Judgment.

 

Chandra

 

 

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> " SM's Identity and Divine Message may be too much for seekers???

Are

> you sure???

>

> Dear All,

>

> On this forum and in the local collectives, we have often heard

SYs say that Shri Mataji's Identity and Divine Message may be too

much for seekers. Are you sure? Are you sure Shri Mataji agrees with

what you are saying when you say it is too much for seekers to

divulge Shri Mataji's identity and Divine Message upfront? Perhaps

it is time to read and understand that SM has explicitly stated that

not only is She IN FAVOUR OF FULL DISCLOSURE, BUT THAT SHE INSISTS

UPON IT!!!

>

> My pranaams go to Chandra, who first posted Shri Mataji's views on

this subject:

/message/5809

>

> Therefore... i believe it behooves us to collectively examine what

Shri Mataji Herself said on this subject:

>

> Shri Mataji: " Seven main auras, and these come from the brain

which is the seat. Now in the centre, at the Brahmarandhra we've got

the heart chakra, alright. The heart is here, and around it are all

these auras, if you see, in the brain. In the same way, they are

surrounding the heart. So if you know about them, it will circulate,

the knowledge will circulate, but circulate with love, without any

aggressiveness, without any showing-off, without any cunning,

without any sarcasm; in a full, straight-forward, loving manner.

>

> But for that we have to remember that we have developed lots of

antidotes in England. Like the words I've seen people use, very

common is, 'That may be too much,' 'It may be too much.' 'They're

frightened.' 'One shouldn't say too much.' You should, when you say

too much at least little bit will go into their heads. "

> (END QUOTE)

>

> Firstly, Shri Mataji says that 'we have developed lots of

antidotes in England, like 'that may be too much'... 'they're

frightened'... and... 'one shouldn't say too much'. But folks! Is

that not exactly what we are hearing today from Sahaja Yogis! We

have even heard this 'antidotal sentiment' on this forum, which just

goes to show how pervasive this 'antidotal sentiment' is! Yet the

problem (as Jagbir has also stated) is that with all the subtle

system knowledge, many Sahaja Yogis still do not understand

the " gnosis " . Shri Mataji refers to this gnosis when She says:

>

> " Seven main auras, and these come from the brain which is the

seat. Now in the centre, at the Brahmarandhra we've got the heart

chakra, alright. The heart is here, and around it are all these

auras, if you see, in the brain. In the same way, they are

surrounding the heart. So if you know about them...(Break Quote)

(LETS STOP RIGHT HERE FOR A MINUTE):

>

> What could Shri Mataji be meaning when She says " So if you know

about them??? "

>

> First of all, Shri Mataji is talking about the knowledge of the

heart and its seven main auras that surround the heart. Then She

says: " So... if you know about them... (then) " it will circulate,

the knowledge will circulate, but circulate with love, without any

aggressiveness, without any showing-off, without any cunning without

any sarcasm; in a full, straight-forward, loving manner... when we

know the 7 auras in our heart. " (EQ)

>

> So! Do you perchance imagine that now you know there are 7 auras

surrounding the heart that you are now " in knowledge " ??? Because if

you do... i have to tell you that it is still only an external

knowledge of the workings of the human psychosomatic system.

The " individual journey within " must be taken to access the internal

knowledge which is the Pure Knowledge of the Spirit. This knowledge

is a Heart Knowledge that is beyond any Mental Knowing. It is a

Gnostic Knowledge... a Heart Knowledge of the Spirit within the

person, and therefore it is also called " gnosis " .

>

> i say this because, it is only when we have the gnostic knowledge

within that we can do as Shri Mataji asks, which is to " circulate

the knowledge with love... without any aggressiveness... without any

showing-off... without any cunning... without any sarcasm... and in

a full straight-forward loving manner! " It is only when we have the

gnostic knowledge that we will be able to give Her Message in the

gnostic way... just as She Herself has done all these last thirty

years or so.

>

> The next words of Shri Mataji really get into the " nitty gritty "

of things. Please read on and inform yourself about what Shri Mataji

told Sahaja Yogis on the 21st of September, 1985 at Sheffield:

>

> Shri Mataji: " So you have to say too much! " (EQ)

> (SO YOU " HAVE TO " SAY " TOO MUCH " !!!)

>

> Shri Mataji: " Say what you want! " (EQ)

> (SAY WHAT YOU WANT!!!)

>

> Shri Mataji: " There should be exuberance, exuberance of your

ideas, so that something goes into their heads! " (EQ)

> (THERE SHOULD BE EXUBERANCE OF YOUR IDEAS, SO THAT SOMETHING GOES

INTO THEIR HEADS!!!)

>

> Shri Mataji: " They know that you're sincere, you're saying it

sincerely, you cannot contain within yourself. Emphatically you have

to say these. " (EQ)

> (EMPHATICALLY YOU HAVE TO SAY THESE!!!).

>

> Shri Mataji: " That's what everybody did. All those who were great

incarnations said it with such concern, with such force. In the same

way, you have to say without any fear. 'Oh, that may be too much,

Mother it was too much for him.' Let him be blasted! Doesn't matter,

say everything that you have to say. Absolutely, with full heart! "

(EQ)

>

> (Is it " LET HIM BE BLASTED!!!... 'when it is said'... 'OH, THAT

MAY BE TOO MUCH, MOTHER!!! " .... or is it 'LET HIM BE BLASTED WITH

THE TRUTH!!!'? After all, Shri Mataji is not too pleased with any

understatement of the Truths She taught. i feel that Shri Mataji

is 'blasting' the understatement of the Truth... as well as asking

us to 'blast the Truth' with exuberance and not 'mince' our words.

The important thing is to say it with a full heart. A person can say

anything... just like Shri Mataji did... IF THEY SAY IT WITH A FULL

HEART. Only if it is said with a FULL HEART... folks... will people

be able to accept it. And that requires confidence within yourself.

You have to be " confident " about the Truth! This is where Her

Earlier Introduction about the Heart and its 7 Auras comes in...

folks. It is all about your expression of Sahaja Yoga. Full

disclosure of the Truth with a Full Heart and your exuberance about

it... is what is needed to get Her Message across!)

>

> So... what else did Shri Mataji have to say on that Day of

Disclosure at Sheffield on September 21, 1985?

>

> Shri Mataji: " But when people come to Sahaja Yoga, when they come

for say, a workshop or something, we try to be the same party

people. Like in the party, you see, `What will you have?' Then we'll

say alright, let me think, 'What did I have yesterday, so I'll have

today this thing.' It's like a shopping going on. " (EQ)

>

> (Shri Mataji is saying that 'Sahaj Workshops' is " LIKE A SHOPPING

GOING ON!!!??? Those are very strong words indeed, folks. My

goodness! Isn't that a shock!!! Why then are Her Teachings and Her

Message still being given in the " Sahaj Workshopping Format " ???

Surely, if She did not prefer that, it should not 'be given' that

way then! So... since Shri Mataji clearly stated She did not like

the standardized " Sahaja Yoga Workshopping Party'... She must have

suggested a preferred alternative of promoting Sahaja Yoga at that

time in 1985. And so She did!):

>

> Shri Mataji: " No, you have to say, 'We have this and please have

it now, otherwise you won't have it. This is the time!' Let them say

what they like. It's important. I see sometimes your SDP conferences

and all these, the way they speak, they just blast you, I mean,

hammer in your head. Why should we not, when this is the truth. Why

should we not tell them and talk to them in that manner. We think by

being gentle... alright gentleness is different, but I mean to say

by saying less than I say, understatement. It's typical

English. 'That might be too much.' " (EQ)

>

> (Please note Shri Mataji's use of the word " time " . It needs to be

written with a capital " T " ... as in Time, to really understand the

particular 'time' that Shri Mataji is referring to. This 'time' is

in fact the " Time of the Last Judgment and Resurrection! " And Shri

Mataji has talked countless this Special " Time " countless of times!

>

> Shri Mataji has told countless times that 'people need to know

what TIME it is'! They need to know that it is the Time of the Last

Judgment and Resurrection... " The Blossom Time " ... the 'time' in

which we can become our Spirit and enter the Kingdom of Heaven

within. She Mataji has Herself told 'that She has made it into a

beautiful thing'... and not a 'doomsday thing' as many religions

have done. She has told us that She has come as the Incarnation of

the Adi Shakti ('the Christian Comforter')... to introduce us to the

Mother Within (the Holy Spirit within). The Holy Spirit within gives

us our Second Birth of the Spirit. She was able to do this because

She resides in the Sahasrara (Kingdom of God within):

>

> " You know that I reside in the Sahasrara (Kingdom of God within).

I incarnated on the Lotus of 1000 Petals; that is why I could break

it open also. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> Sahasrara Puja Sorento, Italy — May 6, 1989 (EQ)

>

> Shri Mataji is in fact, quite firm on the point that all these

facts need to be told upfront, without fear or favour. She is also

quite firm on the point that if anything... these facts need to

be " overstated " rather than understated. But the 'English'... Shri

Mataji states... 'typically understate things'. She states that it

all seems 'too much' for the 'English'... this Message of Time " ! For

the English, this message of the 'time'... needs to be made into

a 'delicat-essen' (a 'delicate-eating'). But Shri Mataji says to put

out with Full Heart what we have. Otherwise people will not have the

Truth!!!

>

> Shri Mataji also cites what is a " SDP Conference " ... and uses

their methods as a good example to follow. i am not sure what

an " SDP Conference " is, but maybe someone can explain that. In any

case... i have found a URL about SDF Conferencing, so we might have

some idea of it anyway):

>

> http://www.telenity.com/telescope/06-

02/Reaching_an_Industry_Consensus_on_Defining_a_True_SDP.php

>

> Lets continue on and see what else Shri Mataji said that day:

>

> Shri Mataji: " In Sahaja Yoga it is such a lot that how much are

you going to pour out... can never be too much! So be careful on

that! (EQ)

>

> (There is so much to pour out in Sahaja Yoga that it can never be

too much!!!??? Shri Mataji is very obviously saying that we have to

be careful that we are " pouring out enough " !!!... of Sahaja Yoga.)

>

> Shri Mataji: " When you've to say it, say it in a very blasty way,

doesn't matter. What are they going to do? They can't crucify me

this time, can they? They dare not. Otherwise perfectly alright,

nothing can touch me. And even crucifixion cannot touch me, you know

that.

>

> (Yes... we can reveal the identity of Shri Mataji. She has most

certainly stated that She will not be in " any spiritual jeopardy " if

Her Identity is revealed... folks!!! Shri Mataji has given

the " Absolute Green Light " to " Go Ahead " and declare Her Identity

and Divine Message to the world in very explicit terms of the " Time "

we are living in.

>

> As She Herself says in the quote above:

>

> " What are they going to do? They can't crucify me this time, can

they? They dare not. Otherwise perfectly alright, nothing can touch

me. And even crucifixion cannot touch me, you know that. (EQ)

>

> (Let this be an understanding for all Sahaja Yogis then... 'for-

all-time'... that in Her Eyes there is no valid excuse for She

has " nulled and voided " all excuses by saying that " nothing can

touch Her " !!! Therefore... any excuse is your own and cannot be

attached to Shri Mataji.)

>

> Shri Mataji then says:

>

> " So you better say what you've found out, in a big way. And tell

them in a big way, of course loving and gentle manner but tell them,

the concern should be there. Alright? " (EQ)

>

> (It should then be " real clear then " that " no excuses

whatsoever " !!! are valid in Shri Mataji's Eyes... not even such

excuses as are given in the year of 2006, twenty-one-years-later!!!):

>

> /message/5929

>

> Shri Mataji: " Now this is what it is one has to understand that

there is nothing, 'Say a little bit,' then they think, 'He's a shaky

man.' (EQ)

>

> (Shri Mataji is clearly saying here that to tell only a little bit

of the Truth and to hide some of it, is going to make people wonder

about the credibility of Sahaja Yogis... especially the credibility

of the Organisation of Sahaja Yoga itself... " WHO DON'T EVEN DO IT

AS AN ORGANISATION " !!!???

>

> 'That this 'Up-Front-Ness' is lacking'... is not going to give

Seekers of the Truth that confidence in Sahaja Yogis which should be

there. What will the Seekers of the Truth think about Sahaja Yogis

who cannot even declare Her Identity and Divine Message upfront in

public... but only at private meetings!!!??? It will not instill

confidence! That is for sure! It is more likely that they will feel

that " something just does not add up " ! How can they have confidence

in an organisation that cannot stand up for the Very Truth it

declares to have In Its Own Possession!!! This is a " very shaky

situation " indeed.)

>

> Shri Mataji: " But when they sing horrible songs on the mike,

eating the mike, I say 'eating-the-mike' music.They go on aggressing

on the mike and people go mad with it, they like it. I don't say you

aggress but don't say anything less, understatement is not needed.

There should not be any balancing in that. " (EQ)

>

> (Shri Mataji uses 'horrible-songs-on-the-mike' music and how

they 'eat-the-mike' when they sing... as an illustration to Sahaja

Yogis of " aggression " that people " like " . However, SM is making the

point that She is not meaning " that kind of aggression " but that we

should OVER-STATE rather than under-state Her Divine Message and

Identity.)

>

> Shri Mataji: " Those people who'll be appeased by that will not be

good Sahaja Yogis. They cannot come in the Kingdom of God. We don't

have to be begging of them but we have to honour them, we have to

respect them, we have to be kind to them, but we have to give them

what we have. Like in the family, you go, you get everything from

the fridge and give it to them, they'll be very happy to take it

whatever you like, what a spread. " (EQ)

>

> (Sahaja Yoga meaning " spontaneous union with the Divine " ... is

for " The Seekers of the Truth " !!! It is not for people who just want

to become 'nice meditators' or who just want to become 'knowledgable

subtle system pundits'! Knowledge of meditation and chakras can be

gotten in many other places, however " the Absolute Truth " can only

be " felt on the fingertips " in Sahaja Yoga ( " spontaneous union with

the Divine " )!!! And only the Seekers of the Truth are going to be

interested in that... anyway. People are not going to be 'all that

interested in what SM has to say'... if all they really want is to

be good meditators and have the subtle-system-knowledge.

>

> If you will remember... Shri Mataji often addressed Her Public

Speeches to " The Seekers of the Truth " . Shri Mataji never tried to

appease anyone. She spoke very directly to the " Seekers of the

Truth " ... and that is whom She addressed most clearly because only

the seekers of the truth will want to hear what is Her Identity and

Divine Message that She 'has come to give' to the world. People who

want less than the Truth will become mediocre SYs.

>

> However, the Seekers of the Truth... WANT THE TRUTH!!! So give

them the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth!!! Just

like SM has done all these years. Be daring 'and not sparing' with

the Truth just as SM has done... WHICH IS WHY " YOU " HAPPEN TO

KNOW " HER IDENTITY " AND " HER DIVINE MESSAGE " . Shri Mataji honoured

you, respected you, was kind to you, and gave you the Whole Truth!

Why should Sahaja Yogis do any less then?

>

> In fact to do any less, is 'not to honour, not to respect, not to

be kind, not to give it your all (the Truth) like Shri Mataji has

given it to you!!!

>

> If you appease people with subtle-system-and-meditation-knowledge

ONLY... just so they might get attracted to the organisation of

SY... they are not necessarily going to make great Sahaja Yogis.

However, if you approach people with the Truth of Shri Mataji's

Identity and Divine Message (upfront)... those who are the

real " Seekers of the Truth " will go for it. This is because they are

more interested in the Truth than in the subtle-system-and-chakra-

knowledge to begin with! Subtle-system-knowledge and knowing how to

meditate is nice to have. However, the Absolute Truth is the most

important Key to give the people first... right from the start! Then

they will know that their Self-Realisation is related to Jesus's

Promise of the " Christian Comforter' that 'was to come'. Then they

will realise why their self-realisaton is so important to have now!

Then they will at least be aware of the nature of its

treasure... 'that it is the Key to their Spiritual Liberation,

Salvation, or Moksha!!! To understate the Truth of the Last Judgment

and Resurrrection at this crucial point is a complete spiritual

travesty of " major " proportions!!! If this information is not told,

that person may never ever hear it again! And who will be

responsible!!!??? YOU WILL IF YOU DID NOT TELL THEM... FOLKS... i am

sorry to have to say it, but it is the Truth.)

>

> Shri Mataji: " But if you put one little fish and two eggs for ten

people with one chilli to say that it is Sahaja Yoga, maybe a lemon,

they will think, 'What's this going on here. Wishy-washy stuff.'(EQ)

>

> (Folks!!!... The external subtle system knowledge and meditation

techniques are not enough to feed " spiritually-hungry-souls "

who " long for something more " . i can tell you that the main thing

that attracted me to SY was Shri Mataji Herself, when i saw a photo

of Her in front of my house smiling at me from the bus shelter. i

completely forgot about that till many years later. So... i did not

even know that when i did the Sahaj Meditation at someone's home

that it was connected to that 'Mother-type-Lady' that i saw at the

bus-stop!

>

> As Shri Mataji has 'put it'... all external things which we make

out " are Sahaja Yoga " ... such as " one little fish and two eggs for

ten people with perhaps a chilli added to it " is questionable. SM

Herself asks: " WHAT IS GOING ON HERE???!!! " Then She

pronounces 'what is going on'... as " WISHY-WASHY STUFF " !

>

> And so it is folks... " and so it is " .)

>

> ( " The English are scholars, " Sheffield, 21/9/85)

>

> /message/5809

>

> However, what Shri Mataji told on 21/9/85 at Sheffield is all very

good news for us on this forum, because on this forum and websites,

we are doing exactly as Shri Mataji has asked all Sahaja Yogis to

do! We just want more Sahaja Yogis to be conscientious and do what

Shri Mataji asked... also.

>

> We need to be aware that the Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Kitchen is

producing half-baked Sahaja Yogis who are missing the essential

ingredient of declaring upfront Her Identity and Her Divine Message.

Without this 'Raising and Leavening Agent': " If you put one little

fish and two eggs for ten people with one chilli to say that it is

Sahaja Yoga, maybe a lemon, they will think, 'What's this going on

here. Wishy-washy stuff.'!!!

>

> Jai Shri Mataji!

>

> violet

>

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> This is to continue the thread TELL ALL THE NATIONS and also to

> present some points to meditate on in conjunction with the

> Shivaratri Puja weekend.

>

> I recently came across the excerpt as appended below where Shri

> Mataji expresses in no uncertain terms what She wants of Sahaja

> Yogis in the dissemination of Her Divine Message. Although these

> words were spoken in England to the English Sahaja Yogis, these are

> really words for all the Sahaja Yogis of the world and for all

time,

> or at least for the time remaining of the Last Judgment.

>

> Here are the highlights of Shri Mataji's speech: " Say what you

want.

> There should be exuberance, exuberance of your ideas...Emphatically

> you have to say these... Let him be blasted! Doesn't matter, say

> everything that you have to say. Absolutely, with full heart... Why

> should we not, when this is the truth. Why should we not tell them

> and talk to them in that manner... When you've to say it, say it in

> a very blasty way, doesn't matter. What are they going to do? They

> can't crucify me this time, can they? They dare not... So you

better

> say what you've found out, in a big way. And tell them in a big

> way... "

>

> And Shri Mataji stresses that there should be no understatement (in

> the expression of the Divine Message), as the English and the

Sahaja

> Yogis are wont to; no weasel words in expressing the glory of Her

> Incarnation.

>

> C.

>

>

> " ...Seven main auras, and these come from the brain which is the

> seat. Now in the centre, at the Brahmarandhra we've got the heart

> chakra, alright. The heart is here, and around it are all these

> auras, if you see, in the brain. In the same way, they are

> surrounding the heart. So if you know about them, it will

circulate,

> the knowledge will circulate, but circulate with love, without any

> aggressiveness, without any showing-off, without any cunning,

> without any sarcasm; in a full, straight-forward, loving manner.

But

> for that we have to remember that we have developed lots of

> antidotes in England. Like the words I've seen people use, very

> common is, 'That may be too much,' 'It may be too much.' 'They're

> frightened.' 'One shouldn't say too much.' You should, when you say

> too much at least little bit will go into their heads. So you have

> to say too much. Say what you want. There should be exuberance,

> exuberance of your ideas, so that something goes into their heads.

> They know that you're sincere, you're saying it sincerely, you

> cannot contain within yourself. Emphatically you have to say these.

> That's what everybody did. All those who were great incarnations

> said it with such concern, with such force. In the same way, you

> have to say without any fear. 'Oh, that may be too much, Mother it

> was too much for him.' Let him be blasted! Doesn't matter, say

> everything that you have to say. Absolutely, with full heart. But

> when people come to Sahaja Yoga, when they come for say, a workshop

> or something, we try to be the same party people. Like in the

party,

> you see, 'What will you have?' Then we'll say alright, let me

> think, 'What did I have yesterday, so I'll have today this thing.'

> It's like a shopping going on. No, you have to say, 'We have this

> and please have it now, otherwise you won't have it. This is the

> time!' Let them say what they like. It's important. I see sometimes

> your SDP conferences and all these, the way they speak, they just

> blast you, I mean, hammer in your head. Why should we not, when

this

> is the truth. Why should we not tell them and talk to them in that

> manner. We think by being gentle... alright gentleness is

different,

> but I mean to say by saying less than I say, understatement. It's

> typical English. 'That might be too much.' In Sahaja Yoga it is

such

> a lot that how much are you going to pour out, can never be too

> much. So be careful on that. When you've to say it, say it in a

very

> blasty way, doesn't matter. What are they going to do? They can't

> crucify me this time, can they? They dare not. Otherwise perfectly

> alright, nothing can touch me. And even crucifixion cannot touch

me,

> you know that. So you better say what you've found out, in a big

> way. And tell them in a big way, of course loving and gentle manner

> but tell them, the concern should be there. Alright? Now this is

> what it is one has to understand that there is nothing, 'Say a

> little bit,' then they think, 'He's a shaky man.' But when they

sing

> horrible songs on the mike, eating the mike, I say eating the mike

> music.They go on aggressing on the mike and people go mad with it,

> they like it. I don't say you aggress but don't say anything less,

> understatement is not needed. There should not be any balancing in

> that. Those people who'll be appeased by that will not be good

> Sahaja Yogis. They cannot come in the Kingdom of God. We don't have

> to be begging of them but we have to honour them, we have to

respect

> them, we have to be kind to them, but we have to give them what we

> have. Like in the family, you go, you get everything from the

fridge

> and give it to them, they'll be very happy to take it whatever you

> like, what a spread. But if you put one little fish and two eggs

for

> ten people with one chilli to say that it is Sahaja Yoga, maybe a

> lemon, they will think, 'What's this going on here. Wishy-washy

> stuff.'

>

> ( " The English are scholars, " Sheffield, 21/9/85)

>

> /message/5809

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandra,

 

Thank you for that timely information. i would really love to see 'the dainty

darlings of Sahaja Yoga's governing liberal establishment' as you 'put it'...

with some 'rabble-rousing-fire-in-the-belly-oratory'.... waking up the spiritual

slumberers to the " Special Time " we are in! That would give me the greatest

pleasure to see! i am sure that would have given Shri Mataji the greatest

pleasure to see too! However, it seems that they are just not capable of the

similar 'rabble-rousing-fire-in-the-belly-oratory' that the Social Democratic

Party Conferencers had... yet that is the kind of 'fire-in-the-belly that SM

encouraged!!!

 

After all... it is the 'spiritually-noisy-alarm-clocks' that are going to awaken

the spiritual slumberers. The 'nice-and-soothing-alarm-clocks' are just going to

encourage the spiritual slumberers to just 'keep-on-sleepin'-on!!!

 

i can just imagine how dynamic a Social Democratic Party Conference must have

been. Maybe SM should have taken these 'SY Liberal Politicians' to the SDP

Conferences to give them some tips on how to spread Her Message with such

fervour too! Then they might not be these

'present-day-tepid-beige-uncolourful-namby-pambys' who have

'not-yet-quite-convinced-themselves' that Shri Mataji's Identity and Divine

Message is 'really-all-that-important-to-give'.

 

It seems that they are more comfortable promoting Sahaja Yoga Science Fiction

writings, rather than tackling the Big Eschatological Questions and Issues. It

seems that they are 'just-not-up-to' the Non-Fiction Writings of Sahaja Yoga

that Shri Mataji has already written for them!!! All they have to do is

" re-present " it in the " SDP Conferencers Way... really!!!

 

It seems now that these 'dainty darlings' have just deliberated too long.

Whether they realise it... or not, we are now doing their work for them on this

forum and websites. But it is our work too! That is the point! We all have to

work together! Sahaja Yogis are of one Mind and One Heart... wherever they

are!!! No WCASY; no Alan Wherry, no John Noyce can separate Sahaja Yogis!!! That

is the point too!!!

 

So we encourage all Sahaja Yogis of LIKE MIND AND LIKE HEART... wherever you

are... to take courage. We will collectively encourage and inform ourselves by

discussing all questions and issues of Sahaj Non-Fiction... in other words...

'all questions and issues of the Absolute Truth!'

 

We are absolutely thrilled with the exuberation of Like Minds and Like Hearts

who are happy to give Shri Mataji and Her Divine Message of the Last Judgment

and Resurrection... the MAXIMUM EXPOSURE!!!

 

violet

 

 

 

, " my2pai " <my2pai

wrote:

>

> Dear Violet,

>

> In the eighties there was a political party in Britain called the

> Social Democratic Party, hence SDP. Shri Mataji was referring to

the

> annual party conferences of the main political parties in Britain

> usually held in the early autumn, when rabble-rousing and fire-in-

> the-belly oratory was and still is the the order of the day. As

Shri

> Mataji said of these political fire-brands: " ... the way they

speak,

> they just blast you, I mean, hammer in your head. "

>

> However, the dainty darlings of Sahaja Yoga's governing liberal

> establishment have decreed that the public are going to be offended

> by a too up-front or in-your-face extollation of Shri Mataji's

> Incarnation. Hence there is no question of blasting anybody with a

> too-direct proclamation of the greatness of the Divine Mother. We

> have to tip-toe at all times and we have to be very polite lest we

> unnecessarily or rudely rouse the public from their drunken

reverie.

> Worse still, we might even frighten the horses with our

> irresponsible talk of the Resurrection and the Last Judgment.

>

> Chandra

>

>

> , " Violet "

> <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > " SM's Identity and Divine Message may be too much for seekers???

> Are

> > you sure???

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > On this forum and in the local collectives, we have often heard

> SYs say that Shri Mataji's Identity and Divine Message may be too

> much for seekers. Are you sure? Are you sure Shri Mataji agrees

with

> what you are saying when you say it is too much for seekers to

> divulge Shri Mataji's identity and Divine Message upfront? Perhaps

> it is time to read and understand that SM has explicitly stated

that

> not only is She IN FAVOUR OF FULL DISCLOSURE, BUT THAT SHE INSISTS

> UPON IT!!!

> >

> > My pranaams go to Chandra, who first posted Shri Mataji's views

on

> this subject:

> /message/5809

> >

> > Therefore... i believe it behooves us to collectively examine

what

> Shri Mataji Herself said on this subject:

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " Seven main auras, and these come from the brain

> which is the seat. Now in the centre, at the Brahmarandhra we've

got

> the heart chakra, alright. The heart is here, and around it are all

> these auras, if you see, in the brain. In the same way, they are

> surrounding the heart. So if you know about them, it will

circulate,

> the knowledge will circulate, but circulate with love, without any

> aggressiveness, without any showing-off, without any cunning,

> without any sarcasm; in a full, straight-forward, loving manner.

> >

> > But for that we have to remember that we have developed lots of

> antidotes in England. Like the words I've seen people use, very

> common is, 'That may be too much,' 'It may be too much.' 'They're

> frightened.' 'One shouldn't say too much.' You should, when you say

> too much at least little bit will go into their heads. "

> > (END QUOTE)

> >

> > Firstly, Shri Mataji says that 'we have developed lots of

> antidotes in England, like 'that may be too much'... 'they're

> frightened'... and... 'one shouldn't say too much'. But folks! Is

> that not exactly what we are hearing today from Sahaja Yogis! We

> have even heard this 'antidotal sentiment' on this forum, which

just

> goes to show how pervasive this 'antidotal sentiment' is! Yet the

> problem (as Jagbir has also stated) is that with all the subtle

> system knowledge, many Sahaja Yogis still do not understand

> the " gnosis " . Shri Mataji refers to this gnosis when She says:

> >

> > " Seven main auras, and these come from the brain which is the

> seat. Now in the centre, at the Brahmarandhra we've got the heart

> chakra, alright. The heart is here, and around it are all these

> auras, if you see, in the brain. In the same way, they are

> surrounding the heart. So if you know about them...(Break Quote)

> (LETS STOP RIGHT HERE FOR A MINUTE):

> >

> > What could Shri Mataji be meaning when She says " So if you know

> about them??? "

> >

> > First of all, Shri Mataji is talking about the knowledge of the

> heart and its seven main auras that surround the heart. Then She

> says: " So... if you know about them... (then) " it will circulate,

> the knowledge will circulate, but circulate with love, without any

> aggressiveness, without any showing-off, without any cunning

without

> any sarcasm; in a full, straight-forward, loving manner... when we

> know the 7 auras in our heart. " (EQ)

> >

> > So! Do you perchance imagine that now you know there are 7 auras

> surrounding the heart that you are now " in knowledge " ??? Because if

> you do... i have to tell you that it is still only an external

> knowledge of the workings of the human psychosomatic system.

> The " individual journey within " must be taken to access the

internal

> knowledge which is the Pure Knowledge of the Spirit. This knowledge

> is a Heart Knowledge that is beyond any Mental Knowing. It is a

> Gnostic Knowledge... a Heart Knowledge of the Spirit within the

> person, and therefore it is also called " gnosis " .

> >

> > i say this because, it is only when we have the gnostic knowledge

> within that we can do as Shri Mataji asks, which is to " circulate

> the knowledge with love... without any aggressiveness... without

any

> showing-off... without any cunning... without any sarcasm... and in

> a full straight-forward loving manner! " It is only when we have the

> gnostic knowledge that we will be able to give Her Message in the

> gnostic way... just as She Herself has done all these last thirty

> years or so.

> >

> > The next words of Shri Mataji really get into the " nitty gritty "

> of things. Please read on and inform yourself about what Shri

Mataji

> told Sahaja Yogis on the 21st of September, 1985 at Sheffield:

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " So you have to say too much! " (EQ)

> > (SO YOU " HAVE TO " SAY " TOO MUCH " !!!)

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " Say what you want! " (EQ)

> > (SAY WHAT YOU WANT!!!)

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " There should be exuberance, exuberance of your

> ideas, so that something goes into their heads! " (EQ)

> > (THERE SHOULD BE EXUBERANCE OF YOUR IDEAS, SO THAT SOMETHING GOES

> INTO THEIR HEADS!!!)

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " They know that you're sincere, you're saying it

> sincerely, you cannot contain within yourself. Emphatically you

have

> to say these. " (EQ)

> > (EMPHATICALLY YOU HAVE TO SAY THESE!!!).

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " That's what everybody did. All those who were great

> incarnations said it with such concern, with such force. In the

same

> way, you have to say without any fear. 'Oh, that may be too much,

> Mother it was too much for him.' Let him be blasted! Doesn't

matter,

> say everything that you have to say. Absolutely, with full heart! "

> (EQ)

> >

> > (Is it " LET HIM BE BLASTED!!!... 'when it is said'... 'OH, THAT

> MAY BE TOO MUCH, MOTHER!!! " .... or is it 'LET HIM BE BLASTED WITH

> THE TRUTH!!!'? After all, Shri Mataji is not too pleased with any

> understatement of the Truths She taught. i feel that Shri Mataji

> is 'blasting' the understatement of the Truth... as well as asking

> us to 'blast the Truth' with exuberance and not 'mince' our words.

> The important thing is to say it with a full heart. A person can

say

> anything... just like Shri Mataji did... IF THEY SAY IT WITH A FULL

> HEART. Only if it is said with a FULL HEART... folks... will people

> be able to accept it. And that requires confidence within yourself.

> You have to be " confident " about the Truth! This is where Her

> Earlier Introduction about the Heart and its 7 Auras comes in...

> folks. It is all about your expression of Sahaja Yoga. Full

> disclosure of the Truth with a Full Heart and your exuberance about

> it... is what is needed to get Her Message across!)

> >

> > So... what else did Shri Mataji have to say on that Day of

> Disclosure at Sheffield on September 21, 1985?

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " But when people come to Sahaja Yoga, when they come

> for say, a workshop or something, we try to be the same party

> people. Like in the party, you see, `What will you have?' Then

we'll

> say alright, let me think, 'What did I have yesterday, so I'll have

> today this thing.' It's like a shopping going on. " (EQ)

> >

> > (Shri Mataji is saying that 'Sahaj Workshops' is " LIKE A SHOPPING

> GOING ON!!!??? Those are very strong words indeed, folks. My

> goodness! Isn't that a shock!!! Why then are Her Teachings and Her

> Message still being given in the " Sahaj Workshopping Format " ???

> Surely, if She did not prefer that, it should not 'be given' that

> way then! So... since Shri Mataji clearly stated She did not like

> the standardized " Sahaja Yoga Workshopping Party'... She must have

> suggested a preferred alternative of promoting Sahaja Yoga at that

> time in 1985. And so She did!):

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " No, you have to say, 'We have this and please have

> it now, otherwise you won't have it. This is the time!' Let them

say

> what they like. It's important. I see sometimes your SDP

conferences

> and all these, the way they speak, they just blast you, I mean,

> hammer in your head. Why should we not, when this is the truth. Why

> should we not tell them and talk to them in that manner. We think

by

> being gentle... alright gentleness is different, but I mean to say

> by saying less than I say, understatement. It's typical

> English. 'That might be too much.' " (EQ)

> >

> > (Please note Shri Mataji's use of the word " time " . It needs to be

> written with a capital " T " ... as in Time, to really understand the

> particular 'time' that Shri Mataji is referring to. This 'time' is

> in fact the " Time of the Last Judgment and Resurrection! " And Shri

> Mataji has talked countless this Special " Time " countless of times!

> >

> > Shri Mataji has told countless times that 'people need to know

> what TIME it is'! They need to know that it is the Time of the Last

> Judgment and Resurrection... " The Blossom Time " ... the 'time' in

> which we can become our Spirit and enter the Kingdom of Heaven

> within. She Mataji has Herself told 'that She has made it into a

> beautiful thing'... and not a 'doomsday thing' as many religions

> have done. She has told us that She has come as the Incarnation of

> the Adi Shakti ('the Christian Comforter')... to introduce us to

the

> Mother Within (the Holy Spirit within). The Holy Spirit within

gives

> us our Second Birth of the Spirit. She was able to do this because

> She resides in the Sahasrara (Kingdom of God within):

> >

> > " You know that I reside in the Sahasrara (Kingdom of God within).

> I incarnated on the Lotus of 1000 Petals; that is why I could break

> it open also. "

> >

> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > Sahasrara Puja Sorento, Italy — May 6, 1989 (EQ)

> >

> > Shri Mataji is in fact, quite firm on the point that all these

> facts need to be told upfront, without fear or favour. She is also

> quite firm on the point that if anything... these facts need to

> be " overstated " rather than understated. But the 'English'... Shri

> Mataji states... 'typically understate things'. She states that it

> all seems 'too much' for the 'English'... this Message of Time " !

For

> the English, this message of the 'time'... needs to be made into

> a 'delicat-essen' (a 'delicate-eating'). But Shri Mataji says to

put

> out with Full Heart what we have. Otherwise people will not have

the

> Truth!!!

> >

> > Shri Mataji also cites what is a " SDP Conference " ... and uses

> their methods as a good example to follow. i am not sure what

> an " SDP Conference " is, but maybe someone can explain that. In any

> case... i have found a URL about SDF Conferencing, so we might have

> some idea of it anyway):

> >

> > http://www.telenity.com/telescope/06-

> 02/Reaching_an_Industry_Consensus_on_Defining_a_True_SDP.php

> >

> > Lets continue on and see what else Shri Mataji said that day:

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " In Sahaja Yoga it is such a lot that how much are

> you going to pour out... can never be too much! So be careful on

> that! (EQ)

> >

> > (There is so much to pour out in Sahaja Yoga that it can never be

> too much!!!??? Shri Mataji is very obviously saying that we have to

> be careful that we are " pouring out enough " !!!... of Sahaja Yoga.)

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " When you've to say it, say it in a very blasty

way,

> doesn't matter. What are they going to do? They can't crucify me

> this time, can they? They dare not. Otherwise perfectly alright,

> nothing can touch me. And even crucifixion cannot touch me, you

know

> that.

> >

> > (Yes... we can reveal the identity of Shri Mataji. She has most

> certainly stated that She will not be in " any spiritual jeopardy "

if

> Her Identity is revealed... folks!!! Shri Mataji has given

> the " Absolute Green Light " to " Go Ahead " and declare Her Identity

> and Divine Message to the world in very explicit terms of the

" Time "

> we are living in.

> >

> > As She Herself says in the quote above:

> >

> > " What are they going to do? They can't crucify me this time, can

> they? They dare not. Otherwise perfectly alright, nothing can touch

> me. And even crucifixion cannot touch me, you know that. (EQ)

> >

> > (Let this be an understanding for all Sahaja Yogis then... 'for-

> all-time'... that in Her Eyes there is no valid excuse for She

> has " nulled and voided " all excuses by saying that " nothing can

> touch Her " !!! Therefore... any excuse is your own and cannot be

> attached to Shri Mataji.)

> >

> > Shri Mataji then says:

> >

> > " So you better say what you've found out, in a big way. And tell

> them in a big way, of course loving and gentle manner but tell

them,

> the concern should be there. Alright? " (EQ)

> >

> > (It should then be " real clear then " that " no excuses

> whatsoever " !!! are valid in Shri Mataji's Eyes... not even such

> excuses as are given in the year of 2006, twenty-one-years-

later!!!):

> >

> > /message/5929

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " Now this is what it is one has to understand that

> there is nothing, 'Say a little bit,' then they think, 'He's a

shaky

> man.' (EQ)

> >

> > (Shri Mataji is clearly saying here that to tell only a little

bit

> of the Truth and to hide some of it, is going to make people wonder

> about the credibility of Sahaja Yogis... especially the credibility

> of the Organisation of Sahaja Yoga itself... " WHO DON'T EVEN DO IT

> AS AN ORGANISATION " !!!???

> >

> > 'That this 'Up-Front-Ness' is lacking'... is not going to give

> Seekers of the Truth that confidence in Sahaja Yogis which should

be

> there. What will the Seekers of the Truth think about Sahaja Yogis

> who cannot even declare Her Identity and Divine Message upfront in

> public... but only at private meetings!!!??? It will not instill

> confidence! That is for sure! It is more likely that they will feel

> that " something just does not add up " ! How can they have confidence

> in an organisation that cannot stand up for the Very Truth it

> declares to have In Its Own Possession!!! This is a " very shaky

> situation " indeed.)

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " But when they sing horrible songs on the mike,

> eating the mike, I say 'eating-the-mike' music.They go on

aggressing

> on the mike and people go mad with it, they like it. I don't say

you

> aggress but don't say anything less, understatement is not needed.

> There should not be any balancing in that. " (EQ)

> >

> > (Shri Mataji uses 'horrible-songs-on-the-mike' music and how

> they 'eat-the-mike' when they sing... as an illustration to Sahaja

> Yogis of " aggression " that people " like " . However, SM is making the

> point that She is not meaning " that kind of aggression " but that we

> should OVER-STATE rather than under-state Her Divine Message and

> Identity.)

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " Those people who'll be appeased by that will not

be

> good Sahaja Yogis. They cannot come in the Kingdom of God. We don't

> have to be begging of them but we have to honour them, we have to

> respect them, we have to be kind to them, but we have to give them

> what we have. Like in the family, you go, you get everything from

> the fridge and give it to them, they'll be very happy to take it

> whatever you like, what a spread. " (EQ)

> >

> > (Sahaja Yoga meaning " spontaneous union with the Divine " ... is

> for " The Seekers of the Truth " !!! It is not for people who just

want

> to become 'nice meditators' or who just want to become

'knowledgable

> subtle system pundits'! Knowledge of meditation and chakras can be

> gotten in many other places, however " the Absolute Truth " can only

> be " felt on the fingertips " in Sahaja Yoga ( " spontaneous union with

> the Divine " )!!! And only the Seekers of the Truth are going to be

> interested in that... anyway. People are not going to be 'all that

> interested in what SM has to say'... if all they really want is to

> be good meditators and have the subtle-system-knowledge.

> >

> > If you will remember... Shri Mataji often addressed Her Public

> Speeches to " The Seekers of the Truth " . Shri Mataji never tried to

> appease anyone. She spoke very directly to the " Seekers of the

> Truth " ... and that is whom She addressed most clearly because only

> the seekers of the truth will want to hear what is Her Identity and

> Divine Message that She 'has come to give' to the world. People who

> want less than the Truth will become mediocre SYs.

> >

> > However, the Seekers of the Truth... WANT THE TRUTH!!! So give

> them the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth!!! Just

> like SM has done all these years. Be daring 'and not sparing' with

> the Truth just as SM has done... WHICH IS WHY " YOU " HAPPEN TO

> KNOW " HER IDENTITY " AND " HER DIVINE MESSAGE " . Shri Mataji honoured

> you, respected you, was kind to you, and gave you the Whole Truth!

> Why should Sahaja Yogis do any less then?

> >

> > In fact to do any less, is 'not to honour, not to respect, not to

> be kind, not to give it your all (the Truth) like Shri Mataji has

> given it to you!!!

> >

> > If you appease people with subtle-system-and-meditation-knowledge

> ONLY... just so they might get attracted to the organisation of

> SY... they are not necessarily going to make great Sahaja Yogis.

> However, if you approach people with the Truth of Shri Mataji's

> Identity and Divine Message (upfront)... those who are the

> real " Seekers of the Truth " will go for it. This is because they

are

> more interested in the Truth than in the subtle-system-and-chakra-

> knowledge to begin with! Subtle-system-knowledge and knowing how to

> meditate is nice to have. However, the Absolute Truth is the most

> important Key to give the people first... right from the start!

Then

> they will know that their Self-Realisation is related to Jesus's

> Promise of the " Christian Comforter' that 'was to come'. Then they

> will realise why their self-realisaton is so important to have now!

> Then they will at least be aware of the nature of its

> treasure... 'that it is the Key to their Spiritual Liberation,

> Salvation, or Moksha!!! To understate the Truth of the Last

Judgment

> and Resurrrection at this crucial point is a complete spiritual

> travesty of " major " proportions!!! If this information is not told,

> that person may never ever hear it again! And who will be

> responsible!!!??? YOU WILL IF YOU DID NOT TELL THEM... FOLKS... i

am

> sorry to have to say it, but it is the Truth.)

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " But if you put one little fish and two eggs for

ten

> people with one chilli to say that it is Sahaja Yoga, maybe a

lemon,

> they will think, 'What's this going on here. Wishy-washy stuff.'(EQ)

> >

> > (Folks!!!... The external subtle system knowledge and meditation

> techniques are not enough to feed " spiritually-hungry-souls "

> who " long for something more " . i can tell you that the main thing

> that attracted me to SY was Shri Mataji Herself, when i saw a photo

> of Her in front of my house smiling at me from the bus shelter. i

> completely forgot about that till many years later. So... i did not

> even know that when i did the Sahaj Meditation at someone's home

> that it was connected to that 'Mother-type-Lady' that i saw at the

> bus-stop!

> >

> > As Shri Mataji has 'put it'... all external things which we make

> out " are Sahaja Yoga " ... such as " one little fish and two eggs for

> ten people with perhaps a chilli added to it " is questionable. SM

> Herself asks: " WHAT IS GOING ON HERE???!!! " Then She

> pronounces 'what is going on'... as " WISHY-WASHY STUFF " !

> >

> > And so it is folks... " and so it is " .)

> >

> > ( " The English are scholars, " Sheffield, 21/9/85)

> >

> > /message/5809

> >

> > However, what Shri Mataji told on 21/9/85 at Sheffield is all

very

> good news for us on this forum, because on this forum and websites,

> we are doing exactly as Shri Mataji has asked all Sahaja Yogis to

> do! We just want more Sahaja Yogis to be conscientious and do what

> Shri Mataji asked... also.

> >

> > We need to be aware that the Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Kitchen is

> producing half-baked Sahaja Yogis who are missing the essential

> ingredient of declaring upfront Her Identity and Her Divine

Message.

> Without this 'Raising and Leavening Agent': " If you put one little

> fish and two eggs for ten people with one chilli to say that it is

> Sahaja Yoga, maybe a lemon, they will think, 'What's this going on

> here. Wishy-washy stuff.'!!!

> >

> > Jai Shri Mataji!

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > This is to continue the thread TELL ALL THE NATIONS and also to

> > present some points to meditate on in conjunction with the

> > Shivaratri Puja weekend.

> >

> > I recently came across the excerpt as appended below where Shri

> > Mataji expresses in no uncertain terms what She wants of Sahaja

> > Yogis in the dissemination of Her Divine Message. Although these

> > words were spoken in England to the English Sahaja Yogis, these

are

> > really words for all the Sahaja Yogis of the world and for all

> time,

> > or at least for the time remaining of the Last Judgment.

> >

> > Here are the highlights of Shri Mataji's speech: " Say what you

> want.

> > There should be exuberance, exuberance of your

ideas...Emphatically

> > you have to say these... Let him be blasted! Doesn't matter, say

> > everything that you have to say. Absolutely, with full heart...

Why

> > should we not, when this is the truth. Why should we not tell them

> > and talk to them in that manner... When you've to say it, say it

in

> > a very blasty way, doesn't matter. What are they going to do? They

> > can't crucify me this time, can they? They dare not... So you

> better

> > say what you've found out, in a big way. And tell them in a big

> > way... "

> >

> > And Shri Mataji stresses that there should be no understatement

(in

> > the expression of the Divine Message), as the English and the

> Sahaja

> > Yogis are wont to; no weasel words in expressing the glory of Her

> > Incarnation.

> >

> > C.

> >

> >

> > " ...Seven main auras, and these come from the brain which is the

> > seat. Now in the centre, at the Brahmarandhra we've got the heart

> > chakra, alright. The heart is here, and around it are all these

> > auras, if you see, in the brain. In the same way, they are

> > surrounding the heart. So if you know about them, it will

> circulate,

> > the knowledge will circulate, but circulate with love, without any

> > aggressiveness, without any showing-off, without any cunning,

> > without any sarcasm; in a full, straight-forward, loving manner.

> But

> > for that we have to remember that we have developed lots of

> > antidotes in England. Like the words I've seen people use, very

> > common is, 'That may be too much,' 'It may be too much.' 'They're

> > frightened.' 'One shouldn't say too much.' You should, when you

say

> > too much at least little bit will go into their heads. So you have

> > to say too much. Say what you want. There should be exuberance,

> > exuberance of your ideas, so that something goes into their heads.

> > They know that you're sincere, you're saying it sincerely, you

> > cannot contain within yourself. Emphatically you have to say

these.

> > That's what everybody did. All those who were great incarnations

> > said it with such concern, with such force. In the same way, you

> > have to say without any fear. 'Oh, that may be too much, Mother it

> > was too much for him.' Let him be blasted! Doesn't matter, say

> > everything that you have to say. Absolutely, with full heart. But

> > when people come to Sahaja Yoga, when they come for say, a

workshop

> > or something, we try to be the same party people. Like in the

> party,

> > you see, 'What will you have?' Then we'll say alright, let me

> > think, 'What did I have yesterday, so I'll have today this thing.'

> > It's like a shopping going on. No, you have to say, 'We have this

> > and please have it now, otherwise you won't have it. This is the

> > time!' Let them say what they like. It's important. I see

sometimes

> > your SDP conferences and all these, the way they speak, they just

> > blast you, I mean, hammer in your head. Why should we not, when

> this

> > is the truth. Why should we not tell them and talk to them in that

> > manner. We think by being gentle... alright gentleness is

> different,

> > but I mean to say by saying less than I say, understatement. It's

> > typical English. 'That might be too much.' In Sahaja Yoga it is

> such

> > a lot that how much are you going to pour out, can never be too

> > much. So be careful on that. When you've to say it, say it in a

> very

> > blasty way, doesn't matter. What are they going to do? They can't

> > crucify me this time, can they? They dare not. Otherwise perfectly

> > alright, nothing can touch me. And even crucifixion cannot touch

> me,

> > you know that. So you better say what you've found out, in a big

> > way. And tell them in a big way, of course loving and gentle

manner

> > but tell them, the concern should be there. Alright? Now this is

> > what it is one has to understand that there is nothing, 'Say a

> > little bit,' then they think, 'He's a shaky man.' But when they

> sing

> > horrible songs on the mike, eating the mike, I say eating the mike

> > music.They go on aggressing on the mike and people go mad with it,

> > they like it. I don't say you aggress but don't say anything less,

> > understatement is not needed. There should not be any balancing in

> > that. Those people who'll be appeased by that will not be good

> > Sahaja Yogis. They cannot come in the Kingdom of God. We don't

have

> > to be begging of them but we have to honour them, we have to

> respect

> > them, we have to be kind to them, but we have to give them what we

> > have. Like in the family, you go, you get everything from the

> fridge

> > and give it to them, they'll be very happy to take it whatever you

> > like, what a spread. But if you put one little fish and two eggs

> for

> > ten people with one chilli to say that it is Sahaja Yoga, maybe a

> > lemon, they will think, 'What's this going on here. Wishy-washy

> > stuff.'

> >

> > ( " The English are scholars, " Sheffield, 21/9/85)

> >

> > /message/5809

> >

>