Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Dear All, Here is a condensed version of some advice Shri Mataji gave at Guru Purnima Day - London, England on 29 July, 1980. violet Some of the things Shri Mataji talked about on the Guru Purnima Day - London England - 29 July, 1980... Why is this puja arranged? You have arranged this worship of your Guru... that is your Mother perhaps. It is very important for every disciple to worship his Guru... but that Guru has to be a real Guru, and not just one who is exploiting his disciples and is not authorized by God. The puja is arranged because we have been initiated into the Statutes of the Lord. We have been told what are the Dharmas of a human being, however for that we do not need a Guru; we can read about these dharmas from a book. However, a Guru is needed to see that we actually practice the Statutes. Without a Guru... a correcting force... it is very difficult to follow these Statutes of the Lord because there is a very big gap between human awareness and Divine awareness. That gap can only be filled by a Guru, who is himself complete. Today is Purnima, which means " a complete moon " . A Guru has to be a complete personality to talk about these Statutes... and to elevate his disciples to the level of understanding whereby they imbibe those statutes. He is there to fulfil the gap (between human and Divine awareness) and that is why it is essential that every Guru has to be a realised soul of the most highly evolved spiritual caliber. He does not need to be an ascetic who lives in a forest; he can be a common householder... or he could be a king. The so-called position in this world makes no difference, as long as you have imbibed the Statutes of the Lord. The imbibing of the Statutes is what is important. What are the Statutes? The first statute is not to harm anyone. Humans are not to harm anyone. They can correct, but not harm. It does not have to be taken to the extreme where reality disappears... for example when it is said " Do not harm mosquitoes, bugs'. Some people are following religions in which they preserve mosquitoes and bugs, but this is absurdity, and anything absurd cannot be reality. We should not harm anyone who is walking in the path of God; who is a realised soul. There may be some mistakes in him. He may need correction. Nobody is perfect as yet. So do not bodily harm or emotionally upset someone... but always try to help. Secondly... we need to have more feelings 'of sympathy' for real seekers... who may be wrong, may have gone to wrong Gurus, might have done wrong things... but so have you been on the wrong path yourself, at times. You have been misled yourself before, so have sympathies. If you have made mistakes, in a way it is good because you will have more sympathies for such people. The second statute is that you have to stand on your own two legs and know that you are here One with the Truth, the Testimony of Truth, that you have seen the Truth. You know what Truth is and you cannot compromise with falsehood. For this you do not need to harm anyone, but just to profess it. You have to stand up and say that you have seen the Truth... and this is the Truth, and you have to be one with it, so people can see the Light of Truth in you and they accept it. It is the Truth that we have seen... what are God's Laws... and how they work out. That is the Truth we have to tell. Through vibratory awareness we have been able to see that this is the Truth. But be completely confident about it. But for that, you have to test yourself first COMPLETELY. Otherwise you might be playing into the hands of evil. This happens to many who first start doing Sahaja Yoga. Be cautious. Be sure that you are telling the Truth, and nothing else but the Truth, and that you have felt the Truth in full ways. Those who have not felt the vibrations should not talk of Sahaja Yoga. They have no authority. They have to receive vibrations. They have to fully imbibe within themselves. Then they can say that they have felt. This is a very important task Sahaja Yogis have to do, that is, to tell aloud that they have found the Truth. That part is very weak. In whatever way you like, you can announce the Truth. You can write books, talk to your friends, relations, and others... and tell them that the Truth is that you have entered the Kingdom of God now. That you have been blessed by the Grace of God. That you are realised souls. That you have felt the Divine Power which is everywhere. That you can give realisation to others. This you can tell others. Know that by just accepting the Truth, you are not adding anything to the Truth, but you are adoring your Self. One requires courage to enjoy the Truth. Sometimes people may mock at you, laugh at you and persecute also but that should not be any worry to you because your relationship is with the Statutes, with the Grace of God. When that is your connection, you should not worry about other people and what they have to say about it. You have to stand up, adorn yourself with that Truth and talk to people and people will know that you found it. With that authenticity with which you speak people will know that you have found it The difference between a realized soul and a non-realized soul is basically this , He does not talk of woes and his separation with God. He says " l have FOUND it NOW. THIS IS IT " . Like Christ said, " l AM THE LIGHT, I AM THE PATH " . Or anybody else can say that but you can make out that it is not Truth. With the confidence, with that complete understanding, coming out of your heart people can make out, 'this is absolute Truth' and then all kinds of falsehood must be denounced. Doesnt matter if somebody feels bad, because by telling that you are saving them and not harming them. But must be told in a correct way, not in frivolous way. In a very persuasive way, you must tell them that this is wrong. You must wait for the time when you can tell people, more in confidence. Tell them, " this is wrong, it is wrong, you don't know. We have done the same thing " . This is how you are going to express your principle of Mastery or you can say " GURU TATWA " . You have to be truthful. First and foremost thing is that, YOU SHOULD KNOW THE TRUTH AND STAND THE TESTIMONY AND THAT YOU SHOULD ANNOUNCE IT. (Guru Purnima Day - London, England - 29 July, 1980) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 , " Violet " <violet.tubb wrote: > > Dear All, > > Here is a condensed version of some advice Shri Mataji gave at Guru Purnima Day - London, England on 29 July, 1980. > > violet > > > Some of the things Shri Mataji talked about on the Guru Purnima Day - London England - 29 July, 1980... > > Why is this puja arranged? You have arranged this worship of your Guru... that is your Mother perhaps. It is very important for every disciple to worship his Guru... but that Guru has to be a real Guru, and not just one who is exploiting his disciples and is not authorized by God. The puja is arranged because we have been initiated into the Statutes of the Lord. We have been told what are the Dharmas of a human being, however for that we do not need a Guru; we can read about these dharmas from a book. > > However, a Guru is needed to see that we actually practice the Statutes. Without a Guru... a correcting force... it is very difficult to follow these Statutes of the Lord because there is a very big gap between human awareness and Divine awareness. That gap can only be filled by a Guru, who is himself complete. > > Today is Purnima, which means " a complete moon " . A Guru has to be a complete personality to talk about these Statutes... and to elevate his disciples to the level of understanding whereby they imbibe those statutes. He is there to fulfil the gap (between human and Divine awareness) and that is why it is essential that every Guru has to be a realised soul of the most highly evolved spiritual caliber. He does not need to be an ascetic who lives in a forest; he can be a common householder... or he could be a king. The so-called position in this world makes no difference, as long as you have imbibed the Statutes of the Lord. The imbibing of the Statutes is what is important. > > What are the Statutes? > > The first statute is not to harm anyone. Humans are not to harm anyone. They can correct, but not harm. It does not have to be taken to the extreme where reality disappears... for example when it is said " Do not harm mosquitoes, bugs'. Some people are following religions in which they preserve mosquitoes and bugs, but this is absurdity, and anything absurd cannot be reality. We should not harm anyone who is walking in the path of God; who is a realised soul. There may be some mistakes in him. He may need correction. Nobody is perfect as yet. So do not bodily harm or emotionally upset someone... but always try to help. > > Secondly... we need to have more feelings 'of sympathy' for real seekers... who may be wrong, may have gone to wrong Gurus, might have done wrong things... but so have you been on the wrong path yourself, at times. You have been misled yourself before, so have sympathies. If you have made mistakes, in a way it is good because you will have more sympathies for such people. > > The second statute is that you have to stand on your own two legs and know that you are here One with the Truth, the Testimony of Truth, that you have seen the Truth. You know what Truth is and you cannot compromise with falsehood. For this you do not need to harm anyone, but just to profess it. You have to stand up and say that you have seen the Truth... and this is the Truth, and you have to be one with it, so people can see the Light of Truth in you and they accept it. > > It is the Truth that we have seen... what are God's Laws... and how they work out. That is the Truth we have to tell. Through vibratory awareness we have been able to see that this is the Truth. But be completely confident about it. But for that, you have to test yourself first COMPLETELY. Otherwise you might be playing into the hands of evil. This happens to many who first start doing Sahaja Yoga. Be cautious. Be sure that you are telling the Truth, and nothing else but the Truth, and that you have felt the Truth in full ways. Those who have not felt the vibrations should not talk of Sahaja Yoga. They have no authority. They have to receive vibrations. They have to fully imbibe within themselves. Then they can say that they have felt. > > This is a very important task Sahaja Yogis have to do, that is, to tell aloud that they have found the Truth. That part is very weak. In whatever way you like, you can announce the Truth. You can write books, talk to your friends, relations, and others... and tell them that the Truth is that you have entered the Kingdom of God now. That you have been blessed by the Grace of God. That you are realised souls. That you have felt the Divine Power which is everywhere. That you can give realisation to others. > > This you can tell others. Know that by just accepting the Truth, you are not adding anything to the Truth, but you are adoring your Self. One requires courage to enjoy the Truth. Sometimes people may mock at you, laugh at you and persecute also but that should not be any worry to you because your relationship is with the Statutes, with the Grace of God. When that is your connection, you should not worry about other people and what they have to say about it. You have to stand up, adorn yourself with that Truth and talk to people and people will know that you found it. With that authenticity with which you speak people will know that you have found it The difference between a realized soul and a non-realized soul is basically this , He does not talk of woes and his separation with God. He says " l have FOUND it NOW. THIS IS IT " . Like Christ said, " l AM THE LIGHT, I AM THE PATH " . > > Or anybody else can say that but you can make out that it is not Truth. With the confidence, with that complete understanding, coming out of your heart people can make out, 'this is absolute Truth' and then all kinds of falsehood must be denounced. Doesnt matter if somebody feels bad, because by telling that you are saving them and not harming them. But must be told in a correct way, not in frivolous way. In a very persuasive way, you must tell them that this is wrong. You must wait for the time when you can tell people, more in confidence. Tell them, " this is wrong, it is wrong, you don't know. We have done the same thing " . This is how you are going to express your principle of Mastery or you can say " GURU TATWA " . You have to be truthful. First and foremost thing is that, YOU SHOULD KNOW THE TRUTH AND STAND THE TESTIMONY AND THAT YOU SHOULD ANNOUNCE IT. > > (Guru Purnima Day - London, England - 29 July, 1980) Dear All, One of the things Shri Mataji talked about on the Guru Purnima Day - London England - 29 July, 1980 was: " Why is this puja arranged? You have arranged this worship of your Guru... that is your Mother perhaps. " (Guru Purnima Day - London, England - 29 July, 1980) My question is: " Or " ... is it now " Sir Shiva " for WCASY and followers... perhaps? Shri Mataji told on that Guru Purnima Day that: " It is very important for every disciple to worship his Guru... but that Guru has to be a real Guru, and not just one who is exploiting his disciples and is not authorized by God. " (Guru Purnima Day, London, England - 29 July, 1980) i will be frank and admit openly that i do not trust what WCASY say anymore. They said Jagbir is a false guru. i know he is not. They said Jagbir's children are 'demon-possessed'. In fact they are angels! A WCASY follower has said i am bad. But i feel the Cool Vibrations daily and any Sahaja Yogi worth their salt... knows that is good. The reason i am saying all these, is to show i am talking of personal experience with you guys who are WCASY/and followers. WCASY just happen to be good organisers who can get their own views across by controlling and dominating all Sahaja Websites, thereby not allowing freedom of expression. If you would have allowed freedom of expression, things might be different, but you have dominated freedom of expression... as you have dominated everything else in Sahaj. However, this is not the Sahaja Way to do things, but very obviously, you just don't give a fig. You do not care what others have to say, nor do you take heed of what others have to say. What i can see is that you are clearly using Sahaja Yoga and Sahaja Yogis for your own agenda, because you are definitely not fulfilling Shri Mataji's Agenda, nor Her wishes, instructions or teachings. In fact, i really do not know any of Hers that you are following at all. i cannot think of one thing right now. You forget that there are no leaders in Sahaj either. You act as if you are some kind of leadership group. You are not! This is what Shri Mataji says about you: " Men, for example, have power orientation and jealousies. Leadership is the greatest myth ever going. ... There is nothing like leaders in Sahaja Yoga, as such. It's just a joke and your Mother is very good at playing serious jokes. It's just a testing point. " (Extract - Shri Guru Puja Message Synopsis - Avignon, France - 8 July, 1990) So... now i have to say that i believe that Shri Mataji's letter is real and not a forgery, and in it She said that: " Any advice from him should not be accepted at all. " (http://www.adishakti.org/images/sm_1998_letter.JPG) Here then is the advice given from the person of whom Shri Mataji wrote: " Any advice from him should not be accepted at all. " (http://www.adishakti.org/images/sm_1998_letter.JPG) When you read what he advised... i am sure it will become clear why Shri Mataji told us not to listen to him: Sir CP: " One thing I want to mention - World Council - is that She (Shri Mataji) desires for me to convey to you that the World Council is the highest authority in Sahaja Yoga, representing Her will. And this will be, the World Council, will be the final deciding authority in Sahaja Yoga collectives. There should be no doubt about that. That is Her will, and on behalf of Her, the World Council will be acting. Is that clear to everyone? That is Her will and She asked me to convey this, and I am conveying it to you. The final authority is the World Council. Everything else emanates from the World Council. Whatever decision is to be taken, the World Council takes, because that is Her will. The Council represents Her will. Alright? So there should be no confusion in future. That has been decided. Thereafter, what happens where is a matter for the World Council to decide. We have now to move forward, carry forward the message and act on that basis. " http://www.sahajayoga.org/swan/view/swan_512_2006.asp /message/6321?threaded=1 & l=1 So... now i also have to say that i also believe Perezhogins's letter now too. i still do not know what 'trumped up charge he has been given by WCASY'. Is he accused of breaking one of the 10 Commandments. i don't know. (John Noyce... if you are reading this, and since you are Our Residing Watchdog... would you kindly fill us in. What exactly did you guys accuse Perezhogin of... anyway? Because he sounds pretty innocent to me, and in fact states that he has a clear conscience. That is more than most WCASY members could say... 'i dare say'... after all the untrue accusations and allegations they have made and are making on increasing numbers of Sahaja Yogis... especially if they too want to Announce Shri Mataji's Mission and Message to the World. So... here is Perezhogin's letter, and i do not believe that a 'guilty-as-charged-person' could write such a letter with such Cool Vibrations: Dear brothers and sisters! Sahaja yogis of Russia! I would like to use this only possibility to address to you all. The stage, when Divine Incarnation, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, founded and personally was in charge of Sahaja yoga, has finished. The time has come now, when without Her participation formation of a new worldwide organization named Sahaja Yoga takes place. The new leaders, basing on their experience and beliefs emphatically suggested me to leave the position of leader of Russia and a member of the World Council I have been taking, as they need a completely controllable and easily directed from abroad candidate. I do not see possibility for myself to take part in such organization, as well as I do not want to fight and act with the same methods they do. Thus I leave the position I was given in 1999 by Shri Adi Shakti, as now a new organization is created, where I cannot be a leader, as principles of it's formation contradict everything taught by our Mother. I would like to thank you for all your great love and support, which I felt for all these 6 years. Thank you very much for we together reached unseen spread of Sahaja Yoga in Russia and are second (in quantity) collective in the world. And in quality, I think, the first! I leave with clear conscience. With all my love and best wishes, ex-leader of Sahaja Yoga in Russia Perezhogin S.V. /message/4291 You know WCASY/WCASY Follower? i don't care how many more accusations you level against anybody; i don't believe them. i don't even care how many immoral accusations of breaking the 10 Commandments you make against anybody. i don't believe them. You know why i don't believe them? Because you have a poor track record for the Truth. And what you as a Separate Group have done FAR SURPASSES any personal immoralities any individual Sahaja Yogi can ever make! In fact, i can only say that the astrologer's predictions are uncannily pointing more and more in your direction. After all, who else could the astrologer be referring to when he said: " The T-square formations between Moon-Mars, Venus, Jupiter and Neptune, indicate that some of the plans of Mataji might be hindered by obstructive activities of evil and negative forces. Also Mataji might have to steer through conflicting loyalties and aims, of some of her so-called followers who are enemies in disguise. But despite all this, she will find her way to the goal of her life, viz., universal Self-Realization! " . /message/6321 Another thing you fail to take into account, is that real Sahaja Yogis can feel the Truth on their Subtle Systems. They are not easily deceived... i would say. Why do you think that Jagbir also says: " Why do i have this feeling that WCASY's Sir Shiva will need a lot of smoke and mirrors to pull this off? ................. sorry, i forgot wool for SYs. But does Sir C P know he has been elevated to Shiva by WCASY, perhaps without his knowledge or consent? WCASY is more sinister than we think ............... and time will tell. /message/7007 violet --In , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: > > > Dear Xxxxxx, > > Thank you for this 'shocking' mail. i did not know Sir CP is now > regarded as Shiva. Shri Mataji never ever even once hinted that her > husband was in any way divine. On the contrary, She did lament that > even Her own family (husband and children) do not recognize Her. How > come now when Shri Mataji is old, drugged and incapacitated we start > hearing of things She never said? i.e., words are put in Her mouth > because She refuses to say so on Her own. > > So maybe we will have to wait for Sir C P to officially announce > that he is Shiva. Perhaps then WCASY can request SYs to start > meditating on his lotus feet too. > > regards, > > jagbir > > > Note: i just realized that WCASY's Sir Shiva has a serious > credibility problem that will now haunt all of them. It is as if > Shri Mataji knew what was coming and gifted the guilty parties with > enough rope to hang all who participated in this terrible > transgression and blasphemy despite Shri Mataji's explicit > instructions: " Specially my husband has no right over my body and > any advice from him should not be accepted at all " . > > Why do i have this feeling that WCASY's Sir Shiva will need a lot of > smoke and mirrors to pull this off? ................. sorry, i forgot > wool for SYs. But does Sir C P know he has been elevated to Shiva by > WCASY, perhaps without his knowledge or consent? WCASY is more > sinister than we think ............... and time will tell. > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > i read Shri Mataji's 1998 letter again and compared it with Her > > previous chakra notes. Even with the brief notes i found that > > letters " a, b, d. h. m, n, r, y " matched in both documents i.e., > > there is no need for a handwriting expert. By all means Shri > > Mataji did write the letter below to all SYs and is no forgery. > > So what did She declare to all SYs? > > > > > > To whomsoever it may concern > > > > I want to state that nobody has any right on my body, without my > > permission I should not be treated by any doctor vidya or any > > other person. > > > > Specially my husband and my family members should not at all have > > any say in my sickness, no one has to admit me in any hospital. > > Even Sahaja Yogis cannot admit me to the hospital or treat me or > > arrange any doctor for treatment for me. > > > > I want to declare that my family should never never admit me in > > the hospital. Specially my husband has no right over my body and > > any advice from him should not be accepted at all. In short I do > > not want to be admitted in any hospital by anyone. > > > > Before my death I will write what is to be done with my body. > > > > sg. Mataji Nirmala Devi > > Mrs. Nirmala Srivastava > > 10th. Dec 1998 > > > > http://www.adishakti.org/images/sm_1998_letter.JPG > > > > > > Dear Jagbir, > > Jai Shri Mataji! We're so glad to have been told about your Shri > Adishakti website because it has been very difficult and frustrated > of not being able to express our views in these past two years due > to the total control of the Sahaj official website and national > websites around the world by WCASY and their followers. > > My husband and I, who have been in Sahaj for more than 20 years, > truly admire you and your family for having such tremendous courage > and inner strength to stand up for the Truth and sticking to your > principles because we also have been subjected to similar fate as > you have been through in the past 3 years. We also have great > admiration for those true yogis like Sergei, Guido, Derek, Al > Ganesh, Henry Ho, the late Dr. Harald Knobel, Avinash and several > more of my true brothers and sisters, whose characters have been > tarnished, vilified and defamed publicly around the world in recent > years by WCASY and their followers. How many times have Shri Mataji > talked of Love? It is so apparent that after all these years > they've never felt God's love in their heart and this is why so > many of them have fallen in the spider's web. > > However much they try to attack and discredit me, they can never > ever ever destroy my spirit, my faith and my love for Shri Mataji > which are a permanent fixture in my heart! I must say, there have > been times when the attacks they inflicted upon me was so > horrendous that it has posed risk to my health and danger to me > and my family, I thought I would not be able to last any longer. > My survival through this awful time only comes from the > protection, guidance and love of Shri Mataji and using clearing > and cleansing techniques which She has recommended to us on a > regular basis. She would come into my dreams regularly before, > during or after an attack either to forewarn, to indicate, to > soothe, to advice, to love, to correct or to reassure me. > > My family and I withdrew from the collective which has nothing to > do of how we've been treated, but it has to do of how they, > disgustingly, have been treating our Holy Divine Mother, God > Almighty, Shri Adi Shakti for the past 3 and a half years. Often I > would cry my eyes out and feel so ashamed of us as human beings who > have been giving the greatest blessing of all and look at what > they've done in the name of God. They violate Her Divine body by > silen(cing) Her with this anti-psychotic drug, they parade Her > around without any respect for Her physical well being, they have > group photos taken with Shri Mataji in order to pamper their ego, > they totally disregard all protocols which are needed to be > observed for Shri Adi Shakti, they anointed and pontificated Sir C > P and claimed publicly that Shri Mataji speaks through him and > that he is Shiva, they sanctified Kalpina and Sadna by using shri > before their names, they show photo of Sir C P's feet in the > official website, they praised Sir C P by chanting " Bolo, shri > papaji qui jay! " at the last Diwali puja, and finally, the > ultimate sin committed against Shri Mataji is that they are doing > their utmost to destroy by politicising, organising and distorting > the teachings and works of God Almighty! > > Shri Mataji has said that She is the Adi Shakti and She is the only > Incarnation on this earth, are they deaf or what? For all the years > we've been in Sahaj, of course we've great respect Sir C P and his > family, we never once regarded them as SYs. The only member of the > family who is a SY was Shri Mataji's beloved brother, BabaMama. I > would like to ask if anybody has witnessed any members of the > family worship, meditate and bow to Shri Mataji at pujas in all > these years? > > I know that those who are now considered as 'outsiders' will > continue carrying the divine flame of Shri Mataji's and no one on > this earth, particularly the WCASY and their followers, can stop us > from spreading the True Message of our Holy Divine Mother. Gregoire > had mentioned about fear in us, but do they have fear of the wrath > of God? > > Jagbir, we'll keep in touch. > > Love, >Xxxxxxx /message/7007 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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