You must all individually work it out that you study S/Yoga...

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

i would like to say that i welcome any constructive criticism as to any

" clarifications " i give in relation to what Shri Mataji has given. If anyone

feels that what i " clarify " is not consistent with what Shri Mataji has given,

please give us the " specific clarification " where this may be the case, so that

i can rectify it.

 

Shri Mataji has in fact given us what is the " Absolute Truth " . This means it is

not a relative truth that changes according to changing circumstances. It stands

unassailable, as do Her Pristine Unedited Words on the tape-recorder. Here is

what Shri Mataji says about the Absolute Truth:

 

" At the very outset, we have to know that Truth is what it is. We cannot change

it. We cannot conceptualize it. We have to know it. Unfortunately, at this human

awareness level we cannot know the Truth. We have to become the Spirit.

(Birthday Puja - Delhi, India - 21 March, 1992)

 

In fact when Shri Mataji says that we have to " know it " , She is referring to the

fact that the Absolute Truth is also a " Gnostic Truth " . All people who are truly

" Born of the Spirit " surely must know that Her Absolute Truth is a " Gnostic

Truth " !

 

That said... i have received a private email from Char (appended below) where

he/she is concerned about myself possibly adding an " interpretive twist " on what

Shri Mataji has given. i would like to console Char, though, that what Shri

Mataji has given as the " Absolute Truth " cannot be changed or even

conceptualized, because it is the Basic Core Truth of the Universe. And the

" Basic Core Truth of the Universe " cannot get any more basic. It is unalterable,

unassailable, and unchangeable. In fact if you even try to put your own

interpretive twist or spin on it, it will " show you up " every time!

 

It is in fact " well-known " that it is the perennial priestly class who also have

a perennial vested interest in putting their own interpretive twist or spin on

what the Incarnations and prophets have given, and not people like myself! All i

want is for the Seekers of the Truth to comprehend the beautiful Absolute Truth

that Shri Mataji and all the other Incarnations and prophets have given. And

Shri Mataji has lots of confidence in Her Devotees. This is what She has said in

relation to " clarifying " what She has given:

 

" You must all individually also work it out that you study Sahaja Yoga in a way.

In most of the tapes, whatever I have said can be seen... found out.. what is

said about health... what is said about children... because I spontaneously say

things... and if you can sort it out, you will know so many things... I mean if

you sit down and do a study of these tapes, it will help you to find out so many

little little things that are so important for life. You can clarify it... can

note it down... that this Mother said about these things... it will be very good

for us to sort it out this way... what point is to be noted down in different

headings... can put different different headings, and jot it down. Mother has

said so... Mother has said so... whatever is not on the tape you should not

listen to... whatever is on tape is authentic... whatever is recorded already

should be accepted. " (25 July, 1989)

 

In fact, what Shri Mataji has given, is really a " working knowledge " that is

there to guide a person to their salvation (self-realisation) and spiritual

liberation. It is there for all the Seekers of the Truth, and for those who want

to " go deep into that Truth " . What Shri Mataji has given is not there for a mere

enhancement of some kind of a WCASY Literary Museum, whereby it becomes some

kind of a Spiritual Showpiece due to its Historical Significance. Anyway, that

said, Char has some concerns, which i would like to address. Char's private

email to me is appended first, with my answer to him/her after that.

 

violet

 

 

Hi Violet:

 

Even though you are trying to streamline for " comprehension and

clarity " while maintaining Shri Mataji's essential teachings, you are

in fact changing them by (inadvertently) putting your interpretive

twist on them.

 

Shri Mataji's talks need to be preserved absolutely intact, because

when you start " improving " them you are actually altering them, ever

so subtly, and before long the true version becomes obscured and

lost. I don't believe we can afford that, no matter how good our

intentions may be.

 

Also, if you are adding words to a quote for clarity, the standard is

to use [brackets], not (parentheses). But what you seem to be doing

is more on the order of editing, which is something else entirely, as

already alluded to.

 

With love and respect,

 

char

 

 

Here is my answer to Char:

 

Char: " Even though you are trying to streamline for " comprehension and clarity "

while maintaining Shri Mataji's essential teachings " ...

 

Violet: Yes, Char, you must know i am doing this for our comprehension and

clarity, while retaining Shri Mataji's Essential Teachings.

 

Char: " you are in fact changing them by inadvertently putting your interpretive

twist on them. "

 

Violet: An " interpretive twist " means to put your own " spin " on what Shri Mataji

has given. i am not putting my own " spin " , but i am " clarifying " what Shri

Mataji has given. There is a subtle difference between the two. Therefore,

please do not confuse the two. A " spin " , for example, is when WCASY now declare

to Sahaja Yogis that they " are the Will of the Adi Shakti to Sahaja Yogis " . That

is their own " spin " , which actually deviates from what Shri Mataji, the

Incarnations and prophets have given. The Absolute Truth of what Shri Mataji,

the Incarnations and prophets have given... will always show up any kind of an

interpretive twist or spin.

 

When i am giving " clarification " , in a lot of cases, the clue to the

" clarification " comes from the sentence directly preceding it, and the " flow " is

being carried through for ease of comprehension. i don't know how you can call

that an 'interpretive twist'. i also do not know how you can make a 'blanket

accusation' of 'interpretive twisting' without giving any evidence. i proffer to

you what i have written above:

 

" i would like to say that i welcome any constructive criticism as to any

" clarifications " i give in relation to what Shri Mataji has given. If anyone

feels that what i " clarify " is not consistent with what Shri Mataji has given,

please give us the " specific clarification " where this may be the case, so that

i can rectify it. "

 

Char: " Shri Mataji's talks need to be preserved absolutely intact, because when

you start " improving " them you are actually altering them ever so subtly, and

before long the true version becomes obscured and lost. I don't believe we can

afford that, no matter how good our intentions may be. "

 

Violet: What Shri Mataji has given is preserved absolutely intact on the

Videotapes. They can always be referred to, to make sure that the Absolute Truth

is given. Apart from that, as Shri Mataji has also said, it is impossible to

change the Absolute Truth. This is because the Absolute Truth is also the Core

Truth. Like the core of an apple, once you eat the apple to the core, you can go

no further. You have reached the " core " . That is what the Absolute Truth is. You

have reached the " Core " . That is why the Absolute Truth is " what it is " and you

cannot change it or conceptualize it! So, please read Shri Mataji's Words again,

and realise that She does not have your concerns. If She had your concerns, She

would certainly not feel free to say that:

 

" You must all individually also work it out that you study Sahaja Yoga in a way.

In most of the tapes, whatever I have said can be seen... found out.. what is

said about health... what is said about children... because I spontaneously say

things... and if you can sort it out, you will know so many things... I mean if

you sit down and do a study of these tapes, it will help you to find out so many

little little things that are so important for life. You can clarify it... can

note it down... that this Mother said about these things... it will be very good

for us to sort it out this way... what point is to be noted down in different

headings... can put different different headings, and jot it down. Mother has

said so... Mother has said so... whatever is not on the tape you should not

listen to... whatever is on tape is authentic... whatever is recorded already

should be accepted. " (25 July, 1989)

 

Char: Also, if you are adding words to a quote for clarity, the standard is to

use [brackets], not (parentheses).

 

Violet: Thanks for the tip, but i am not pretending to be any kind of an editor

and therefore i will continue to use the parentheses. i am only interested in

getting Her Message out in a way that can be clearly comprehended, and i am

doing that by " clarifying " it. The thing is, we have to try to get into the

" nitty gritty " of what Shri Mataji has taught. If we don't, no one will be " any

the wiser " and that is how it becomes possible for people to really deviate from

what Shri Mataji has given.

 

Just look at how WCASY have made a Subtle System Religion out of Shri Mataji's

teachings, and half of the time they never back up what they say from what Shri

Mataji has given, nor from what all the Incarnations and prophets have given!

And what about WCASY being declared as the " Will of the Adi Shakti " that will

dictate Her Will to Sahaja Yogis. That is a glaring " interpretive twist " ! Look

Char... " You will know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free " . That is

really what it is all about! You really should not worry yourself so much.

 

Char: " But what you seem to be doing is more on the order of editing, which is

something else entirely, as already alluded to.

 

Violet: As already mentioned, i am not pretending to be some kind of an editor,

though you might be one, and that is fine. i am only interested in " clarifying "

what Shri Mataji has given, for myself and others, just as Shri Mataji has

requested we do.

 

violet

 

 

,

" Violet " <violet.tubb wrote:

>

> , " my2 pai " <my2pai@>

wrote:

>

> " It should be noted that Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has indicated to

the Sahaja Yogis that Ramana Maharshi was an incarnation of Lord

Shiva. " /message/

7190

>

> Dear All,

>

> Ramana Maharshi said that... " If you want moksha write, read and

practise the instructions in Ellam Ondre. " http://

www.cosmicharmony.com/EllamOndre/EllamOndre.htm). The Ellam Ondre is

a small book, which poses many questions, but also gives some very

good answers, which are not in a Q & A Format. However, in order to

gain the fullest benefit from them, i have put them in a Q & A Format

for our spiritual contemplation and edification. So... here they are

folks...

>

>

> Q./ Who is God?

>

> A./ God is He who has transcended all that is seen by us.

>

> Q./ If transcending this world, is there no relation between Him and

> this world?

>

> A./ Not a particle here is unrelated to Him.

>

> Q./ Then what is meant by transcending the world?

>

> A./ The world comprises us and the objects seen by us. In other

words, the animate and inanimate together form the world.

>

> Q./ What shall we say of Him who created the beings and things?

>

> A./ Of these two, we say the conscious beings to be superior. All

that we can apprehend is that He belongs to the highest order of

beings known to us. Our intellect cannot proceed further. Thus, our

Creator is superior to us; He cannot be apprehended by our intellect;

therefore His Name, Transcended Being, " Kadawul, " means that He

surpasses our intellect. Hence His Name is " Kadawul " - Transcended

Being.

>

> Q./ Can God then not be made known to us?

>

> A./ Not quite so. In a way, He is known to us. This much of His

Grace is enough for us. We have no need for all His Greatness. He has

made known so much of His Greatness as will suffice to eradicate our

misery. There is no reason for Him to reveal a jot more of His Power

than is necessary to remedy our defects in the present state. Thus He

is known according to our needs. Nay, He is in our grasp. However

limitless, He is within reach of our knowledge to some extent.

>

> Q./ What is it which brings Him within reach of our knowledge?

>

> A./ That He is known as Being-Consciousness-Bliss. " Being " denotes

that which is imperishable; that which exists forever.

>

> Q./ Should He become nonexistent at any time, who is His Destroyer?

Who created Him?

>

> A./ Since the perishable nature of all leads to the inference that

they are lorded over by One who is imperishable, this immortal

Overlord is God. His imperishable nature is Being (Sat).

>

> Q./ Now, what is Consciousness (Chit)?

>

> A./ By Consciousness we mean knowledge. This is absolute Knowledge,

and not like our erring intellectual knowledge. Irregularity or

mistake cannot stain its actions. It is Knowledge, pure and simple.

Frequently He teaches us saying, " Your knowledge is irregular and

erring. " How orderly are even the insentient objects of His creation!

It is known to many how an atheist was taught a good lesson when he

derided the scheme of things saying, " Why did He make the seed so

small for the banyan tree which is so big? " That an insentient thing

is found in good order and later becomes useful... implies a

conscious agency at work.

>

> Q./ Can a simple, insentient thing do something which is possible

for unfailing knowledge only? Or, can't it be done by our inadequate

knowledge?

>

> A./ No, it can never be. Therefore God is said to be Consciousness

(Chit) also.

>

> Q./ Now, what is Bliss?

>

> A./ It is the state of being free from desire for anything. It is

Peace which is ever full. Were He to desire anything, how could He be

better than ourselves? How could we gain Bliss from Him? He Himself

would require another being to fulfil His desires. But who would

think Him to be so? The state of self-contentment is that of Bliss

also. Therefore He is called Bliss (Ananda).

>

> Summary:

>

> The three (Being, Consciousness, Bliss) are inseparable. Otherwise,

they would become naught individually. Hence, He is known as Being-

Consciousness-Bliss (Sat-Chit-Ananda). Thus God remains not only

transcendent but also falls within the reach of our knowledge as

Being-Consciousness-Bliss. (http://www.cosmicharmony.com/EllamOndre/

EllamOndre.htm)

>

> And now folks... here is what Shri Mataji has given in relation to

Truth, Consciousness, and Bliss. It is not 'absolutely literal' or

'verbatim quotations'... as for the benefit of comprehension and

clarity, i have streamlined some of it, put it into compatible word

casing and added some notations (in brackets). Her essential

teachings remain intact. i trust you will enjoy these beautiful

Truths that Shri Mataji has given.

>

> violet

>

>

>

> Shri Mataji: " On Truth Being What It Is " ...

>

> At the very outset, we have to know that Truth is what it is. We

cannot change it. We cannot conceptualize it. We have to know it.

Unfortunately, at this human awareness level we cannot know the

Truth. We have to become the Spirit. (Birthday Puja - Delhi, India -

21 March, 1992)

>

>

>

> Shri Mataji: " On Being One With The Truth " ...

>

> The second Statute is that you have to stand on your own legs and

know that you are " One with the Truth " (which is) the testimony of

the Truth, that you have seen the Truth, (that) you know what is

(the) Truth and (that) you cannot compromise with falsehood. You just

cannot! For that you need not harm anyone. You just have to profess

it. You have to stand up and say that you have seen the Truth and

(that) this is the Truth, and you have to be " One " with it, so that

people (will) see that Light of (the) Truth in you and accept it. It

is not (just) for telling others (not for simply passing on the Truth

'as given') but (in order to confirm that) " this is the Truth we have

seen and this is what God's Laws are (and this is) how they work

out. " (Advice, Guru Puja, " Guru Purnima Day " - London, England - 29

July, 1980)

>

>

>

> Shri Mataji: " On Announcing the Truth " ...

>

> Those who have not felt the vibrations, should not talk of Sahaja

Yoga. They have no authority. They have to receive vibrations. They

have to fully imbibe (the vibrations) within them and then they can

say, " Yes, we felt " (the Truth). This is (a) very important task

Sahaja Yogis have to do in these Modern times - i.e. to tell aloud

that they have found the Truth. That part is very weak.

>

> In Whatever Way You Like... you can Announce the Truth! You can

write books, you can talk to your friends, relations, everyone, and

tell them, " this is the Truth " ... that (we) have entered into the

Kingdom of God, that we have been blessed by the Grace of God (and)

that we are realised souls... that we have felt the Divine power

which is prevailing everywhere (and) that we can give realization to

others.

>

> This (is what) we have to tell others, and you (must) know that by

accepting the Truth, you are not adding anything to the Truth, but

you are adoring your (Highest) Self. One requires courage to enjoy

the Truth. Sometimes people may mock at you, laugh at you and

persecute also but that should not worry you because your

relationship is with the Statutes, with the Grace of God.

>

> When that (relationship with the Grace of God and His Statutes) is

your connection, you should not worry about what other people have to

say about it. You have to stand up, adorn yourself with that Truth

and talk to people... and people will know that you (have) found it.

With the authenticity with which you speak, people will know that you

have found it (found the Truth).

>

> The difference between a realized soul and a non-realized soul is

basically this. (The realised soul) does not talk of woes and his

separation with God. He says: " l have found it now. This is it! " Like

Christ said, " I am the Light, I am the Path " . Anybody can say that,

but you can make out (when) it is not (the) truth. With confidence,

with complete understanding coming out of your heart, people can make

out (that) this is the absolute Truth.

>

> And then all kinds of falsehood must be denounced. (It) doesn't

matter if somebody feels bad, because by telling 'that', you are

saving them and not harming them. But (it) must be told in a correct

way; not in a frivolous way. In a very persuasive way, you must tell

them that this is wrong. You must wait for the time when you can tell

people... more in confidence. Tell them, " this is wrong, it is wrong,

you don't know. We have done the same thing! "

>

> This is how you are going to express your principle of Mastery or

you can say " Guru Tatwa " . You have to be truthful. First and foremost

thing is that you should know the Truth and stand (on) that Testimony

and Announce it. (Advice, Guru Puja - Guru Purnima Day - London,

England - 29/07/80)

>

>

>

> Shri Mataji: " The Truth with which you can remain Ever-Blissful " ...

>

> You should devote the whole life to Sahaja Yoga (your union with

the Divine). You should give every moment to Sahaja Yoga (that union

with the Divine). That means living spontaneously. Where will the

spontaneity come from? It comes from the Living Force. It comes from

that living force, which is ever present within you. You should not

think of anything else! Even (if you do) otherwise, you cannot enjoy

(it).

>

> Only God is the Enjoyer! You are under (the) wrong impression 'that

YOU are enjoying'. God is the Enjoyer and He alone is the Creator.

You are just in-between. You are just like pipes. If at all you enjoy

something, it is God (you are enjoying) who has unending Love for

you. This is the Truth with which you can remain Ever-Blissful. You

can never get Joy from anything else! Whatever may be the thing, He

is the Enjoyer! So, the point is, today you (may) get something you

want, but you are not happy. Tomorrow, you would like something else

and even though that is given to you, you will (still) not be happy.

You will never become happy from worldly things.

>

> Paramatma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramatma) is the Enjoyer

and therefore All should desire Him. We should enjoy the God who is

the Enjoyer of every Thing. If we start enjoying Him, what else do we

need to enjoy? We should enjoy His bliss, what God's Creation is,

what a beautiful World He has made and how many things He has given

us! Now (that) we have become Sahaja yogis, God has given this Shakti

in us. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakti) Now we can know our Atma

(http://hinduwebsite.com/atman.asp) and can recognise the Spirit in

others (and) how much Unending Grace, God is showering on us.

>

> With these thoughts, you should grow in inner happiness. If you

start enjoying the God like this, then you will find that your heart

is growing and growing and you feel as if it is encompassing (the)

entire creation! Today, my message to you is: " Start enjoying the

Paramatma " . Leaving aside all other things... " enjoy God " ! Have that

Joy everywhere, of what God has given to you, what are the things He

has given to you. Be joyous about them. Then you will find that your

attention has stabilised. In this way you will progress in Sahaja

yoga (your union with the Divine). Every minute you should

appreciate: " I have received this. I have received such and such

blessings etc. " Otherwise, your complaints will never end and your

aggression will also not stop! (Translated Advice from Hindi - New

Delhi, India - 11 March, 1981; also in Nirmala Yoga - Vol. 3 - May-

June 1981)

>

>

>

> Shri Mataji: " On Becoming a Joyous Collective Being " ...

>

> The nature of the Kundalini (lit. " coiled energy " ) is that it is the

power of pure Desire. She is the individual mother of every

individual and she is the one that is dormant and waiting for a

proper time to give every individual his or her Second Birth (a.k.a.

Kundalini Awakening, Self-Realisation or Baptism of the Holy Spirit).

She is like a tape which has a record of all the good deeds (punyas):

> (/message/

7215?unwrap=1 & var=1 & l=1)... all the wrong things... the desires and

aspirations of the individual. She is like a primule in a dormant

seed.

>

> Once She is awakened and is connected to the All-Pervading Power,

the spiritual growth of the fourth dimension (Turiya) starts: (http:/

/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turiya) The nature of the Spirit is that it is

a Universal Being within every individual (just) as there is One God

Almighty. His projection (God Almighty's projection) on every human

heart is the same, but the projection of the Spirit (the Universal

Being)... varies, because of the different types of projectors

(different types of people).

>

> When this Spirit, which is the Source of Joy and Truth, is

connected through the Kundalini, the human attention becomes

enlightened. Thus one knows the Absolute Truth on their Central

Nervous System and becomes a Joyous Collective Being. The Spirit is

projected in the Heart, but the Seat of God Almighty is above the

fontanelle bone area... above the apex of the head.

>

> After this Living Force of Kundalini is connected to the all-

pervading Divine power within a human being, it starts developing the

spirituality of a person. One touches the spirituality within one's

Self and grows into another dimension... the Fourth one. Thus a

saintly and wise personality develops. This personality is the one

which is unfolding itself naturally, spontaneously (Sahaja)... but

also, by knowing how to handle this all-pervading power through the

knowledge of purity (Shuddha Vidya)... one can evolve in a much

faster way into that new dimension.

>

> (Note: Shri Mataji has also called this the " Pure Knowledge of the

Spirit " ):-

>

> Once the Spirit starts shining fully in one's attention, one

actually becomes enlightened in the sense that one can see for

oneself... that they become their own Guide... their own Master. Then

you don't need any Guide, but you are the Master of yourself. In the

past, this process was limited to one or two very few persons, but

now a phenomena to allow 'En-Masse Realisation' was discovered about

twenty years ago... (which has changed the numbers of people able to

become their own Guide, their own Master.) All such enlightened

people follow a religion which is called as " Vishwa Nirmala

Dharma " ... meaning " the innate pure religion within us " . These people

have actualised the enlightenment. They have actualised the Baptism

(of the Spirit) because they feel the Cool Breeze, as Kundalini

pierces through the fontanel, and thus (they) have become religious

saints, yogis, yoginis and seers:

>

> ( " The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but

do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone

who is Born of the Spirit. " - John 3:8)

>

> They are not like ordinary people, who have not entered into this

New Fourth Dimension of Awareness and established themselves. These

are the people who know themselves " Within " ... and (who) know others

in collective consciousness. They are the people who have achieved a

state in which they know on their Central Nervous System that they

are Part and Parcel of the " Whole " .

>

> lt is not a blind faith or lip service building a net of empty

words ( " Shabda Jalam " ). This is the Knowledge of the Roots. All the

trees of Modern Civilisation have grown outside. If we do not go to

our Roots and find out the fundamentals of our existence... these

unbalanced... crazily expanded civilisations, are going to be

destroyed. It is very important and imminent that the World should

try to take its Attention towards finding out its Roots. It is

described in every Scripture in some way or other, and has been

extensively described in the Indian scriptures. India is a very

Ancient Country and it has been blessed by many seers and saints who

wrote treatises about Reality, and Guidelines of how to achieve it.

(Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - First small English Book - Chapter 2 -

Vishwa Nirmala Dharma)

>

[Guest guest]

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Anyway, that said, Char has some concerns, which i would like to

> address. Char's private email to me is appended first, with my

> answer to him/her after that.

>

 

i think Char should point out the quotes that he/she is concerned. So

far i see no evidence that Violet is 'twisting' Shri Mataji's words.

 

i remember in my early days in Sahaja Yoga when our senior SY (ahead

in SY years, not age) enlightened us about Shri Mataji's talks. He

had this fond habit of ocassionally checking my forehead to see how

my ego was bloating. He knew Shri Mataji had said that the ego bloats

like a balloon around the Agnya. i was always suspect. You see i had

this slight protusion above my eyebrows. " Aahhh, see Jagbir, you have

an ego bloated like a balloon! " and would press the top of the area

where my eyebrows met. Yes, my ego, bloated like a balloon, was

physically pushing itself out of my Agnya Chakra. And other SYs

believed that and passed this enlightenment around.

 

But i knew something was wrong with his prognosis, despite him being

almost 10 years my senior in Sahaja Yoga. But i did not suffer from

guilt or commence a shoe-beating marathon to rid myself of that

physical bloat. i just had to hear the same speech and realized early

to be wary. i must say that i heard enough non-sense to quickly

choose common sense. If only i had someone like Violet explaining me

what Shri Mataji really meant. There is just no reason to be alarmed

if the same is done today. On the contrary, it is beneficial to those

new to Sahaja Yoga.

 

regards,

 

jagbir