Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Dear devotees of the Adi Shakti, Appended is a response from the Simon Frasier University Human Rights Office regarding an enquiry about religious rights of students practicing Sahaja Yoga in that university. Xxxxxxx Ttttttttt <Xxxxxxxx Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:06:00 -0800 Re: Communique from SFU Human Rights Office Hello Xxxxxxxx, Thank you for your questions. The core issue is not whether, as you have stated, your faith would be " deemed legitimate " , but rather, whether Sahaja Yoga would constitute a religious practice, thereby triggering the application of the BC Human Rights Code and the SFU Human Rights Policy. Having looked into this question, and relying on information provided by the Sahaja Yoga movement itself, it is clear to me that Sahaja Yoga is not an organized religion, it is a form of meditation . The main web page for the movement poses the question, " Is Sahaja Yoga a religion? " The answer given is, " If religion means belief, no. " In virtually hundreds of web sites maintained by members of the movement from throughout the world, it is referred to as, " a form of meditation. " The main web page states, " Sahaja Yoga is different from other yogas because it begins with self realization. " [my emphasis] Several of the web sites state, " We offer free meditation classes open to everyone " and reference is also made to the availability of a variety of " meditation centers " . I note that the Sahaja Yoga Club at the University of Toronto welcomes students to participate in meditation classes, but it does not refer to itself as a religion, nor does it refer to meditation as a religious practice. Religion is an enumerated ground of discrimination, and religious practice must be accommodated in the delivery of public services and facilities (such as education). However, while meditation is incorporated into several world religions, it is not a religion in itself. I hope this responds fully to your questions. Please do not hesitate to call or write if you would like to discuss this further. Regards, Xxxxxxxx Tttttttt (A SY's response to the above email from the SFU Human Rights Office) Dear Qqqqqqqqq, Thanks for the email. I would like to take this opportunity to point out a few things regarding the response from the person at SFU or wherever it was. I will start by saying that SY is not a religion as we know 'religion' in the world and Shri Mataji has said many times that she doesn't want anyone making a 'religion' out of her talks or out of Sahaja Yoga, as it( the living organism) is and cannot be organized, and a religion, whatever the case, is an organized thing. With that in mind i can see the persons point only in the sense that it is a spiritual belief, not a religious belief as defined by law or whatever he is using to reference that meaning. So with that, his response is to be expected. More to the point; this just shows why Sahaja yoga is spreading so very slowly despite morale up keep and organized classes etc. We do everything truthful behind closed doors for those already involved, what good is that? The person responding said that he checked out many sites regarding SY from all over the world, including individual yogi's sites and each one said that it was only a meditation and that it was one that would bring peace, inner harmony and well being; much like the 1001 other yoga schools and and gurus who claim, promise and whose devotees shout this untruth to the world without fear. My point is- that of course no one is going to think of SyYas anything more then a meditation if that's how EVERYONE involved in this " movement " is promoting SY to be. In the same way, of course no one is going to come to free meetings or meditation classes when they have 1001 other choices for meditation that promise the very same things SyY does officially in class teachings and on their websites. So my point is, that we have something that sets us apart, and that is that SY is really not a meditation per se (though we do meditate, which brings about health etc...only as a by-product of meditation, not as the purpose as it is stated in some ways on the website) but rather the only way to really feel, experience and know God, take part in the Last Judgment and Resurrection promised in all the holy books and by Jesus, and that Shri Mataji is the incarnation of the Holy Spirit sent to deliver this message and told about by Jesus over 2000 years ago. Now do you think many more people would sit up and take notice of SY if we promoted nothing more then the upfront truth, to everyone from day one and in advertising (which i know you support me and but just for points sake).? Dude, we would stick out like a sore thumb among all the other fingers that look the same. That is what people are seeking for, looking for, what i know i was looking for and Bbbbbb (from his story at the tea house) and you were looking for; we were looking for God and the purpose of life, not better health or peace of mind, but God, the Almighty. So until such time as we start being upfront and truthful to the whole world and in every class and collective in the world, as well as advertising and such, i don't think there is much of a chance anything will change in SY or in the number of people or its recognition, as it will just look like the rest of the fingers on the hands; don't you agree? I know i don't need to tell you this because we talk often, but i just wanted to illustrate a point and reading that email made these points all the more real for me. Nothing will change in the world, or our collectives or in peoples behavior or recognition of this as being indeed a true " religion " until such time as it is proved to be much more then a meditation, which Jagbir's site has done so very, very, very well; hence my constant promotion of it to you, and others and my desire to get it out there so that people can see the truth of SY upfront and then things can start changing. Sure me, you and whomever else are only individuals, but together there can be a movement (not organized) and the truth can spread; its our duty and for god sakes, why not? And besides, the word " religion " is derived from the Latin word " religare " meaning " to reconnect with God. So if we are not promoting SY ( " sahaj " meaning " spontaneous " and " yoga " meaning " union with the divine or god " or whatever u call it), thus getting self realization (reconnected with the self, with the source which is God - real baptism and the point of life on earth) then we cannot expect anyone to recognize SY as a religion - instead nothing more then a simple meditation like all others. Take care man and love ya Xxxxxxxxxxx - Over the years i have seen the devastating effects that the collective SY deception and hypocrisy has had on the movement. This polite rejection by the Simon Frasier University Human Rights Office that SYs cannot claim religious rights is based on, ironically, the very claims at all official websites that Sahaja Yoga is not a religion. Why this issue was brought up in the first place i have no idea. SYs get thrashed left, right and center when they do not check their own claims and use the official websites for fighting their cause. Just last month i witnessed a SY on a forum getting ripped apart in his attempt to use the official www.sahajayoga.org site to promote Shri Mataji as the Divine Mother. One of the critics even called Shri Mataji " a sick women " for claiming Herself to be the Adi Shakti based on the evidence presented at the official Sahaja Yoga website. This is the reason there is no official forum to discuss Sahaja Yoga. The only such forum, divinesahajayoga, is strictly for subtle system SYs only. No outsiders are allowed (to discuss THE ADVANCEMENT OF THE ELEVATING, ENLIGHTENING AND UNITING SPIRITUAL MESSAGE OF SAHAJA YOGA). Other than the Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion and puja dates little else is discussed. Any display of dissent or intelligence is strictly forbidden. In other words, it is a fanatically clean and heavilly disinfected forum free from germs of conscience. So SYs can only promote Shri Mataji as a great guru capable of giving Self-realization, and that Sahaja Yoga is a unique method of meditation. They are thus reaping what they have sowed, and keep sowing. They truly deserve the barren fruits of their dishonest labour. The law of diminishing returns will ultimately take its toll ................ soon. What then is Sahaja Yoga based on - religion, meditation, holy scriptures, or all? i will let you make an informed decision with these quotes of Shri Mataji: " Today, Sahaja Yoga has reached the state of Mahayoga, which is en- masse evolution manifested through it. It is this day's Yuga Dharma. It is the way the Last Judgment is taking place. Announce it to all the seekers of truth, to all the nations of the world, so that nobody misses the blessings of the Divine to achieve their meaning, their absolute, their spirit. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi “The main thing that one has to understand is that the time has come for you to get all that is promised in the scriptures, not only in the Bible but all the scriptures of the world. The time has come today that you have to become a Christian, a Brahmin, a Pir, through your Kundalini awakening only. There is no other way. And that your Last Judgment is also now.” Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi " The Kundalini rises through a very thin line of Brahmanadi. In the beginning only a hair like thing rises, it pierces through. In some people, of course, in a big way it rises also. And then it pierces this fontanel bone area which is a real baptism, real. Today only people felt the cool breeze coming out of their heads. Can you do that by jumping, or by paying money? They felt the cool breeze in the hand. It's written in the Bible, even in the Bible very clearly, that it's the cool breeze. Cool breeze is the sign of the Holy Ghost. You start feeling the cool breeze in your hands and you start feeling the cool breeze on your head. This is the actualization. Of course, you people don't read other books which are very good, like Adi Shankaracharya. People don't even like the mention of his name who has really and clearly said that it is the cool breeze, the chaitanya, is to be felt like cool breeze in the hands. They do not want that you should know the truth. And this is the truth that when you get your realization, you have to feel the cool breeze in your hands yourself. You have to judge yourself. I'm not going to tell you. It is you who has to see, it is you who has to feel. And then you have to grow and you have to know all and everything - all the secrets of Divine Science. You become the master then, you are the guru. You are the Spirit, and you should get it. It's your own which is given to you. I have nothing to do about it. I'm just a catalyst. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Maccabean Hall, Australia on March 22, 1981 " Tell all the nations and tell all the people all over the Great Message that the Time of Resurrection is here. Now! At this time, and that you are capable of doing it. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi " I am the Adi Shakti. I am the One who has come on this Earth for the first time in this form to do this tremendous task . The more you understand this the better it would be. You will change tremendously. I knew I’ll have to say that openly one day and we have said it. But now it is you people who have to prove it that I am that! " Shri Adi-Shakti Devi Sydney, Australia - March 21, 1983 " And even in Koran, Mohamed Sahab says that all the Heavens lie at the lotus feet of the Mother. Among them, among Muslims there are Sufis... who are realized souls and also accepted in the society. The other day I met somebody in Paris, a very high person in the Islamic world and he accepted Sahaja Yoga. He said it is described in Koran that there has to be Qiyamah, the Resurrection - we believe in Resurrection. Also it is for Christians or Hindus, everybody, they have to be resurrected to a higher state. It is just for money and power are some people who are trying to mislead others, keeping them away from Resurrection. I must say they are committing the greatest sin against the Holy Ghost. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi July 1, 1993 So it is clear that Shri Mataji regards Sahaja Yoga as the synthesis of all religion, meditation, prophets and holy scriptures. There is no doubt of this despite the official claims of " a unique form of meditation " . But like a tree in the forest, Sahaja Yoga is just one of the many aspects of the Great Adi Shakti. SYs have not even examined that single tree in all its glorious detail. The majority cannot see the forest for the subtle system branch of this single tree. One just cannot understand why they cannot move much. i remember a friend's headmaster who used to say to sloth-like students, " If you walk any slower you will be walking backwards. " Quite apt i would say. regards to all, jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Dear Jagbir, The only such forum, divinesahajayoga, is > strictly for subtle system SYs only. No outsiders are allowed (to > discuss THE ADVANCEMENT OF THE ELEVATING, ENLIGHTENING AND UNITING > SPIRITUAL MESSAGE OF SAHAJA YOGA). Other than the Sahaja Yoga Subtle > System Religion and puja dates little else is discussed. Any display > of dissent or intelligence is strictly forbidden. In other words, it > is a fanatically clean and heavilly disinfected forum free from > germs of conscience. Just for your information they will even genuine SYs whom they just suspect of having any links with you or they think may be forwarding DSY/Nirmalite forum's posts to you. I can say that because that is what happened to me. John Noyce also removed me from the Nirmalite forum for the same reasons. All this happened just over a year ago. The flaws of kicking me off the forum were: 1) I do not forward DSY posts to you - i cannot see any wrong even if i really did do so. 2) The anti-SYs and/or Simon have a/few false ID(s) on the forum - which is why every now and then you will see some posts of DSY which puts SY or Shree Mataji in bad light even though it is unintentional on the SYogi's part to do so when they posted on the DSY forum. 3) It is better that a SYogi/ni corrects the mistakes of another SYogi/ni which is constructive crticism at it's worst rather than the mistakes being not corrected and repeated - thus becoming fodder for the anti-SYs which is destructive for SY 4) Last but not least I still receive the posts from the forum i was kicked off from due to friends in SY who feel i should get them - so what did the moderators achieve other than making me believe more about what Jagbir is saying I have no regrets for being unsubsribed by the moderators for telling the truth about Last Judgement and Jagbir's websites and for which my posts on DSY & Nirmalite forums were not approved except for one which was edited before being approved on the Nirmalite forum. In fact there are lots of SYs who write and ask me why they have not been recieving my mails anymore. The moderators of DSY and Nirmalite are unable to do anything about the anti-SY on their forums because they are silent but the anti-SYs use DSY and Nirmalite material whenever something silly is written on the TASY forum etc. The moderators of DSY and Nirmalite will kick any SYogi/ni out without any warning if they persist in trying to tell the truth which has no official sanction and/or for supporting the websites www.adishakti.org , www.alqiyamah.org Sad but true state - finally i am divulging this little information after watching the events over the past two years. Jai Shree Mataji Balwinder On 1/25/07, jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: > Dear devotees of the Adi Shakti, > > Appended is a response from the Simon Frasier University Human > Rights Office regarding an enquiry about religious rights of > students practicing Sahaja Yoga in that university. > > Xxxxxxx Ttttttttt <Xxxxxxxx > Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:06:00 -0800 > Re: Communique from SFU Human Rights Office > > Hello Xxxxxxxx, > > Thank you for your questions. > > The core issue is not whether, as you have stated, your faith would > be " deemed legitimate " , but rather, whether Sahaja Yoga would > constitute a religious practice, thereby triggering the application > of the BC Human Rights Code and the SFU Human Rights Policy. Having > looked into this question, and relying on information provided by > the Sahaja Yoga movement itself, it is clear to me that Sahaja Yoga > is not an organized religion, it is a form of meditation . > > The main web page for the movement poses the question, " Is Sahaja > Yoga a religion? " The answer given is, " If religion means > belief, no. " In virtually hundreds of web sites maintained by > members of the movement from throughout the world, it is referred > to as, " a form of meditation. " The main web page states, " Sahaja > Yoga is different from other yogas because it begins with self > realization. " [my emphasis] Several of the web sites state, " We > offer free meditation classes open to everyone " and reference is > also made to the availability of a variety of " meditation centers " . > I note that the Sahaja Yoga Club at the University of Toronto > welcomes students to participate in meditation classes, but it does > not refer to itself as a religion, nor does it refer to meditation > as a religious practice. > > Religion is an enumerated ground of discrimination, and religious > practice must be accommodated in the delivery of public services and > facilities (such as education). However, while meditation is > incorporated into several world religions, it is not a religion in > itself. > > I hope this responds fully to your questions. Please do not > hesitate to call or write if you would like to discuss this further. > > Regards, > > Xxxxxxxx Tttttttt > > > > (A SY's response to the above email from the SFU Human Rights Office) > > Dear Qqqqqqqqq, > > Thanks for the email. I would like to take this > opportunity to point out a few things regarding the > response from the person at SFU or wherever it was. > > I will start by saying that SY is not a religion as we > know 'religion' in the world and Shri Mataji has said > many times that she doesn't want anyone making a > 'religion' out of her talks or out of Sahaja Yoga, as > it( the living organism) is and cannot be organized, > and a religion, whatever the case, is an organized > thing. With that in mind i can see the persons point > only in the sense that it is a spiritual belief, not a > religious belief as defined by law or whatever he is > using to reference that meaning. So with that, his > response is to be expected. > > More to the point; this just shows why Sahaja yoga is > spreading so very slowly despite morale up keep and > organized classes etc. We do everything truthful > behind closed doors for those already involved, what > good is that? > > The person responding said that he checked out many > sites regarding SY from all over the world, including > individual yogi's sites and each one said that it was > only a meditation and that it was one that would bring > peace, inner harmony and well being; much like the > 1001 other yoga schools and and gurus who claim, > promise and whose devotees shout this untruth to the > world without fear. My point is- that of course no one > is going to think of SyYas anything more then a > meditation if that's how EVERYONE involved in > this " movement " is promoting SY to be. In the same way, > of course no one is going to come to free meetings or > meditation classes when they have 1001 other choices > for meditation that promise the very same things SyY > does officially in class teachings and on their > websites. > > So my point is, that we have something that sets us > apart, and that is that SY is really not a meditation > per se (though we do meditate, which brings about > health etc...only as a by-product of meditation, not > as the purpose as it is stated in some ways on the > website) but rather the only way to really feel, > experience and know God, take part in the Last > Judgment and Resurrection promised in all the holy > books and by Jesus, and that Shri Mataji is the > incarnation of the Holy Spirit sent to deliver this > message and told about by Jesus over 2000 years ago. > > Now do you think many more people would sit up and > take notice of SY if we promoted nothing more then the > upfront truth, to everyone from day one and in > advertising (which i know you support me and but just > for points sake).? Dude, we would stick out like a > sore thumb among all the other fingers that look the > same. That is what people are seeking for, looking > for, what i know i was looking for and Bbbbbb (from his > story at the tea house) and you were looking for; we > were looking for God and the purpose of life, not > better health or peace of mind, but God, the Almighty. > So until such time as we start being upfront and > truthful to the whole world and in every class and > collective in the world, as well as advertising and > such, i don't think there is much of a chance anything > will change in SY or in the number of people or its > recognition, as it will just look like the rest of the > fingers on the hands; don't you agree? > > I know i don't need to tell you this because we talk > often, but i just wanted to illustrate a point and > reading that email made these points all the more real > for me. Nothing will change in the world, or our > collectives or in peoples behavior or recognition of > this as being indeed a true " religion " until such time > as it is proved to be much more then a meditation, > which Jagbir's site has done so very, very, very well; > hence my constant promotion of it to you, and others > and my desire to get it out there so that people can > see the truth of SY upfront and then things can start > changing. Sure me, you and whomever else are only > individuals, but together there can be a movement (not > organized) and the truth can spread; its our duty and > for god sakes, why not? > > And besides, the word " religion " is derived from the > Latin word " religare " meaning " to reconnect with > God. So if we are not promoting SY ( " sahaj " meaning > " spontaneous " and " yoga " meaning " union with the divine or > god " or whatever u call it), thus getting self > realization (reconnected with the self, with the > source which is God - real baptism and the point of life > on earth) then we cannot expect anyone to recognize SY > as a religion - instead nothing more then a simple > meditation like all others. > > Take care man and love ya > > Xxxxxxxxxxx > > > - > > > Over the years i have seen the devastating effects that the > collective SY deception and hypocrisy has had on the movement. This > polite rejection by the Simon Frasier University Human Rights > Office that SYs cannot claim religious rights is based on, > ironically, the very claims at all official websites that Sahaja > Yoga is not a religion. Why this issue was brought up in the first > place i have no idea. SYs get thrashed left, right and center when > they do not check their own claims and use the official websites > for fighting their cause. Just last month i witnessed a SY on a > forum getting ripped apart in his attempt to use the official > www.sahajayoga.org site to promote Shri Mataji as the Divine > Mother. One of the critics even called Shri Mataji " a sick women " > for claiming Herself to be the Adi Shakti based on the evidence > presented at the official Sahaja Yoga website. This is the reason > there is no official forum to discuss Sahaja Yoga. The only such > forum, divinesahajayoga, is strictly for subtle system SYs only. No > outsiders are allowed (to discuss THE ADVANCEMENT OF THE ELEVATING, > ENLIGHTENING AND UNITING SPIRITUAL MESSAGE OF SAHAJA YOGA). Other > than the Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion and puja dates little > else is discussed. Any display of dissent or intelligence is > strictly forbidden. In other words, it is a fanatically clean and > heavilly disinfected forum free from germs of conscience. > > So SYs can only promote Shri Mataji as a great guru capable of > giving Self-realization, and that Sahaja Yoga is a unique method of > meditation. They are thus reaping what they have sowed, and keep > sowing. They truly deserve the barren fruits of their dishonest > labour. The law of diminishing returns will ultimately take its toll > ............... soon. > > What then is Sahaja Yoga based on - religion, meditation, holy > scriptures, or all? i will let you make an informed decision with > these quotes of Shri Mataji: > > " Today, Sahaja Yoga has reached the state of Mahayoga, which is en- > masse evolution manifested through it. It is this day's Yuga Dharma. > It is the way the Last Judgment is taking place. Announce it to all > the seekers of truth, to all the nations of the world, so that > nobody misses the blessings of the Divine to achieve their meaning, > their absolute, their spirit. " > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi > > > " The main thing that one has to understand is that the time has come > for you to get all that is promised in the scriptures, not only in > the Bible but all the scriptures of the world. The time has come > today that you have to become a Christian, a Brahmin, a Pir, through > your Kundalini awakening only. There is no other way. And that your > Last Judgment is also now. " > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi > > > " The Kundalini rises through a very thin line of Brahmanadi. In the > beginning only a hair like thing rises, it pierces through. In some > people, of course, in a big way it rises also. And then it pierces > this fontanel bone area which is a real baptism, real. Today only > people felt the cool breeze coming out of their heads. Can you do > that by jumping, or by paying money? They felt the cool breeze in > the hand. It's written in the Bible, even in the Bible very > clearly, that it's the cool breeze. Cool breeze is the sign of the > Holy Ghost. You start feeling the cool breeze in your hands and you > start feeling the cool breeze on your head. This is the > actualization. > > Of course, you people don't read other books which are very good, > like Adi Shankaracharya. People don't even like the mention of his > name who has really and clearly said that it is the cool breeze, the > chaitanya, is to be felt like cool breeze in the hands. They do not > want that you should know the truth. And this is the truth that when > you get your realization, you have to feel the cool breeze in your > hands yourself. You have to judge yourself. I'm not going to tell > you. It is you who has to see, it is you who has to feel. And then > you have to grow and you have to know all and everything - all the > secrets of Divine Science. You become the master then, you are the > guru. > > You are the Spirit, and you should get it. It's your own which is > given to you. I have nothing to do about it. I'm just a catalyst. " > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi > Maccabean Hall, Australia on March 22, 1981 > > > " Tell all the nations and tell all the people all over the Great > Message that the Time of Resurrection is here. Now! At this time, > and that you are capable of doing it. " > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi > > > " I am the Adi Shakti. I am the One who has come on this Earth for > the first time in this form to do this tremendous task . The more > you understand this the better it would be. You will change > tremendously. I knew I'll have to say that openly one day and we > have said it. But now it is you people who have to prove it that I > am that! " > > Shri Adi-Shakti Devi > Sydney, Australia - March 21, 1983 > > > " And even in Koran, Mohamed Sahab says that all the Heavens lie at > the lotus feet of the Mother. Among them, among Muslims there are > Sufis... who are realized souls and also accepted in the society. > The other day I met somebody in Paris, a very high person in the > Islamic world and he accepted Sahaja Yoga. He said it is described > in Koran that there has to be Qiyamah, the Resurrection - we > believe in Resurrection. > > Also it is for Christians or Hindus, everybody, they have to be > resurrected to a higher state. > > It is just for money and power are some people who are trying to > mislead others, keeping them away from Resurrection. I must say they > are committing the greatest sin against the Holy Ghost. " > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi > July 1, 1993 > > > So it is clear that Shri Mataji regards Sahaja Yoga as the synthesis > of all religion, meditation, prophets and holy scriptures. There is > no doubt of this despite the official claims of " a unique form of > meditation " . > > But like a tree in the forest, Sahaja Yoga is just one of the many > aspects of the Great Adi Shakti. SYs have not even examined that > single tree in all its glorious detail. The majority cannot see the > forest for the subtle system branch of this single tree. One just > cannot understand why they cannot move much. i remember a friend's > headmaster who used to say to sloth-like students, " If you walk any > slower you will be walking backwards. " Quite apt i would say. > > regards to all, > > > jagbir > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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