So why are subtle system SYs unable to have the same qualities?

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To all subtle system SYs,

 

Thanks for the comments Avnish.

 

BTW, all religions and scriptures do mention the subtle system and

chakras in one way or another. However no religion, holy scripture

or prophet ever allotted more than 1% space to this petty subject. It

is only SYs, not Shri Mataji, who have now given it 99% priority and

made the Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion out of it.

 

Even Shri Krishna's Bhagavad Gita hardly mentions anything, although

He does give unsurpassable knowledge of yoga throughout this

priceless scripture. So when i hear that He may be a complete

incarnation because three channels meet at the vishuddi i do not know

what to say to such speculation. The point i am trying to make is

that if SYs discover a subtle system chart depicting just that then

they will also be complete incarnations .............. or will become

so if they are able to do the same. What nonsensical seeking is this?

 

And i have to tell you that this is just 0.01% of the subtle system

pettiness that keeps SYs in their kindergartens. If you examine all

the records of SYs discussing the subtle system over the decades you

will realize that what is true today was false yesterday, and vice

versa. It is so confusing and conflicting at times that you have to

spend years just trying to get the correct information ....... an

exercise in futility. Avnish's 'truth' can easily be another SY's

falsehood, and there are countless subtle system 'facts' to disagree

about. That is why most SYs are still in kindergarten today, and will

remain there for a long time.

 

To those who really want to advance just meditate on the Adi Shakti

within and remain Silent to absorb all the pure knowledge of the

Spirit. Do not ever bother about chakras, catches and cures of the

Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion. To us Shri Mataji is the

incarnation of the Devi, not a subtle system teacher. That is why we

have the confidence and faith and conscience to say exactly that. So

why are subtle system SYs unable to have the same qualities despite

cleansing their chakras daily for years/decades. You go figure this.

 

It is common knowledge that yoga paths/schools are at variance as to

the color, attributes, functions, mantras, deities and even number of

chakras along the subtle system. So how on earth are SYs going to

prove that they have the better knowledge and not their rivals? What

evidence do they have to convince others that the SYSSR is superior

in all aspects? i know they keep on parroting " cool breeze " , " cool

breeze " , " cool breeze " but for the majority it is no big deal. 99.99%

have left despite this ceaseless claim by SYs that feeling the " cool

breeze " is all that is required to bring people to Sahaja Yoga. Other

schools like Reiki and Mahikari talk about this " energy " too. (In the

1980s i witnessed Mahikari members able to keep a glass-encased

orange fresh for weeks with vibrations [energy] from their hands, in

comparison to a rotting one beside without vibrations. Despite this

extraordinary feat and display of powers i still did not join them

because i wanted a connection with GOD. All the cool breeze and

evidence of energy from within humans was no big deal. Subtle system

SYs should realize that i was shown both evidence and powers of the

cool breeze, and yet i walked away.)

 

So why should seekers following paths displaying similar powers and/or

subtle systems join Sahaja Yoga? No senior SY or council member have

the answers ................... as has been the case for decades now.

The best defence has been, is now, and will always be " Just give Self-

realization. " i have heard that one repeated every time i asked those

difficult questions that embarrased the 'chosen ones'.

 

But what about the many subtle system charts of various gurus that

are in harmony? i want the subtle system SYs to give me _10 good

reasons_ why others should defect and embrace the Sahaja Yoga Subtle

System Religion? The WCASY have no notion what mess they have got

themselves into. Despite the writing on the wall they continue to

fanatically enforce it on all newcomers and themselves. Thus SYs

conditioned by the subtle system just cannot relate the Divine with

anything else, and Avnish's inability to expand his consciousness

beyond the subtle system perimeters is typical of those subject to

this mass collective indoctrination.

 

Actually i can keep writing about this petty subtle system subject

but i have written enough over the years to earn a Ph.D. i assure all

that the Great Primordial Mother took birth on Earth to give you the

ultimate knowledge to make you eternal. i beg you not to confuse

yourself and others with this petty knowledge. The subtle system is

just Chapter One out of 108 chapters. You must understand all the

remaining chapters if you want to progress. For this no external

rituals, images or humans are needed - only in Silence will you

understand the remaining 107 chapters of the ultimate knowledge.

 

regards,

 

jagbir

 

 

, Avnish Bhagat

<avnishbhagat wrote:

>

> Hi Jagbir,

>

> The talks are absolutely fantastic! There's a lot of

> useful information in there. Sm herself recommended

> that we get hold of her pre 1980 talks.

>

> Im not sure i heard her right, but she mentioned that

> that the three channels meet at the vishuddi. And

> thats why krishna is known as a complete incarnation.

> That does not match what the traditional SY Subtle

> system diagram shows. I wonder why!

>

> Actually, if you compare the qualities of all the

> right side chakras, they are all of the same polarity

> i.e. aiding/governing the physical/mental

> aspects....but at vishuddi the qualities are reversed

> i.e. confidence is a quality of the left vishuddi.

>

> Is there any chance that there was an 'orignal' subtle

> system diagram that was later simplified

>

> Jagbir, just wanted to check with you on whether there

> is any way you might have the transcripts of these

> talks too?

>

> Thank you, for giving access to these precious talks.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Avnish

>

> --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> > They all have been converted to mp3 Avnish/Sambhav

> > at webpage:

> >

> >

> http://www.adishakti.org/forum/shri_matajis_earliest_talks.htm

> >

> > So the talk Avnish is looking for will be:

> >

> >

> http://adi-shakti.org/shri_mataji/1977_heart_chakra.mp3

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> > ,

> > Sambhav

> > <maddy7_maddy7@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jagbir

> > > Can you create a web page in which you can have

> > the list of lectu

> > > res and the path to download it.

> > > Thanks

> > > Sambhav

> > >

> >

> > , Avnish

> > Bhagat

> > <avnishbhagat@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Jagbir,

> > >

> > > The file is not at the location you have given

> > below.

> > > Could you please check the same.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > >

> > > Avnish Bhagat

> > >

> > > --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > The first file can be downloaded, saved and then

> > > > played from:

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> http://adi-shakti.org/shri_mataji/1977_heart_chakra.wav

> > > >

> > > > This 1977 Heart Chakra file is 170 MB.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > jagbir

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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