Is Ignorance Really Bliss? i don't think so...

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, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

 

" i think those who judge him so harshly are possessed ....................... by

ignorance, at least. "

 

 

Dear Jagbir et al,

 

i have to agree that " those who judge him [Arwinder] so harshly, are possessed

by ignorance " . However, we have to remember that WCASY are the same ignorant

people, who instead of openly declaring to the public that Shri Mataji is the

Will of the Adi Shakti, have only publicly declared " the same " for themselves...

which is that WCASY is now the Will of Shri Mataji (the Adi Shakti).

 

We also have to remember that WCASY and followers of their SYSSR, are the same

folks, who instead of openly declaring that Shri Mataji is the World Saviour of

Mankind (as happened on one enlightened occasion)...... have decided instead

that this is a " too Right Wing thing to do " .... and have instead opted for what

they consider to be the " Middle of the Road " (between the " Hierarchist Right "

[us] and the anti-Hierarchist Left (anti-SY's).

 

This leaves the Public 'in the dark' as to what Shri Mataji's Identity, Mission,

and Message really is, because it is " just a too Right Wing thing " . WCASY et al,

being 'middle of the road', just want to give their SYSSR Meditation/Subtle

System/Self-Realisation Workshops, where they don't " rightly " have to explain

how Shri Mataji " really " fits into the picture!

 

It might just be a tad bit embarrassing for these 'middle of the road folks' to

have to tell Mr. and Mrs. Public the Truth of Shri Mataji's Avataric Claims to

Divinity, according to what Milo has to say. Here is what Milo (one of the

Multiple I.D.'s under the jurisdiction of John Noyce) says to Will Beback at

Wikipedia:

 

" If I read some of it correctly, they are experts on SY's declared practices,

and complaining that SY is too timid and moderate to declare more divinity — a

complaint from the hierarchist right. [refers to Devotees of SM, whom SM called

SY's] It would fit well with RMHP's documentation of complaints from the

anti-hierarchist left [refers to anti-SY's] - that there is already too much

declaration of divinity. Assembled sequentially, these two opposing complaints

make SY [refers to WCASY and their SYSSR] look like the moderate center of

practice. As I understand it, taking the middle path is considered a virtue in

much of India. -Milo 22:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Talk:Sahaja_Yoga#Removed_links_and_critical_material

 

From this i conclude that WCASY et al consider those who declare Her Divinity to

be the " hierarchist right " . Well, if that is the case, we are on the " right

side " (whatever they want to call us), as Shri Mataji also declared Her

Divinity, and asked Her Devotees, Her Sahaja Yogis, to do the same. As far as i

am concerned, that is all that matters in the final analysis!!!

 

violet

 

 

Among the Inept, Researchers Discover, Ignorance is Bliss...

(By ERICA GOODE)

 

There are many incompetent people in the world. Dr. David A. Dunning is haunted

by the fear he might be one of them.

 

Dr. Dunning, a professor of psychology at Cornell, worries about this because,

according to his research, most incompetent people do not know that they are

incompetent.

 

On the contrary. People who do things badly, Dr. Dunning has found in studies

conducted with a graduate student, Justin Kruger, are usually supremely

confident of their abilities -- more confident, in fact, than people who do

things well. Humor-impaired joke-tellers rated themselves as funny.

 

 

" I began to think that there were probably lots of things that I was bad at and

I didn't know it, " Dr. Dunning said.

 

One reason that the ignorant also tend to be the blissfully self-assured, the

researchers believe, is that the skills required for competence often are the

same skills necessary to recognize competence.

 

The incompetent, therefore, suffer doubly, they suggested in a paper appearing

in the December issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.

 

" Not only do they reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but

their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it, " wrote Dr. Kruger,

now an assistant professor at the University of Illinois, and Dr. Dunning.

 

This deficiency in " self-monitoring skills, " the researchers said, helps explain

the tendency of the humor-impaired to persist in telling jokes that are not

funny, of day traders to repeatedly jump into the market -- and repeatedly lose

out -- and of the politically clueless to continue holding forth at dinner

parties on the fine points of campaign strategy.

 

Some college students, Dr. Dunning said, evince a similar blindness: after doing

badly on a test, they spend hours in his office, explaining why the answers he

suggests for the test questions are wrong.

 

In a series of studies, Dr. Kruger and Dr. Dunning tested their theory of

incompetence. They found that subjects who scored in the lowest quartile on

tests of logic, English grammar and humor were also the most likely to " grossly

overestimate " how well they had performed.

 

In all three tests, subjects' ratings of their ability were positively linked to

their actual scores. But the lowest-ranked participants showed much greater

distortions in their self-estimates. Asked to evaluate their performance on the

test of logical reasoning, for example, subjects who scored only in the 12th

percentile guessed that they had scored in the 62nd percentile, and deemed their

overall skill at logical reasoning to be at the 68th percentile.

 

Similarly, subjects who scored at the 10th percentile on the grammar test ranked

themselves at the 67th percentile in the ability to " identify grammatically

correct standard English, " and estimated their test scores to be at the 61st

percentile.

 

On the humor test, in which participants were asked to rate jokes according to

their funniness (subjects' ratings were matched against those of an " expert "

panel of professional comedians), low-scoring subjects were also more apt to

have an inflated perception of their skill. But because humor is

idiosyncratically defined, the researchers said, the results were less

conclusive.

 

Unlike their unskilled counterparts, the most able subjects in the study, Dr.

Kruger and Dr. Dunning found, were likely to underestimate their own competence.

The researchers attributed this to the fact that, in the absence of information

about how others were doing, highly competent subjects assumed that others were

performing as well as they were -- a phenomenon psychologists term the " false

consensus effect. "

 

When high scoring subjects were asked to " grade " the grammar tests of their

peers, however, they quickly revised their evaluations of their own performance.

In contrast, the self-assessments of those who scored badly themselves were

unaffected by the experience of grading others; some subjects even further

inflated their estimates of their own abilities.

 

" Incompetent individuals were less able to recognize competence in others, " the

researchers concluded.

 

In a final experiment, Dr. Dunning and Dr. Kruger set out to discover if

training would help modify the exaggerated self-perceptions of incapable

subjects. In fact, a short training session in logical reasoning did improve the

ability of low-scoring subjects to assess their performance realistically, they

found.

 

The findings, the psychologists said, support Thomas Jefferson's assertion that

" he who knows best knows how little he knows. "

 

And the research meshes neatly with other work indicating that overconfidence is

a common; studies have found, for example, that the vast majority of people rate

themselves as " above average " on a wide array of abilities -- though such an

abundance of talent would be impossible in statistical terms. And this

overestimation, studies indicate, is more likely for tasks that are difficult

than for those that are easy.

 

Such studies are not without critics. Dr. David C. Funder, a psychology

professor at the University of California at Riverside, for example, said he

suspected that most lay people had only a vague idea of the meaning of " average "

in statistical terms.

 

" I'm not sure the average person thinks of 'average' or 'percentile' in quite

that literal a sense, " Dr. Funder said, " so 'above average' might mean to them

'pretty good,' or 'O.K.,' or 'doing all right.' And if, in fact, people mean

something subjective when they use the word, then it's really hard to evaluate

whether they're right or wrong using the statistical criterion. "

 

But Dr. Dunning said his current research and past studies indicated that there

were many reasons why people would tend to overestimate their competency, and

not be aware of it.

 

In some cases, Dr. Dunning pointed out, an awareness of one's own inability is

inevitable: " In a golf game, when your ball is heading into the woods, you know

you're incompetent, " he said.

 

But in other situations, feedback is absent, or at least more ambiguous; even a

humorless joke, for example, is likely to be met with polite laughter. And faced

with incompetence, social norms prevent most people from blurting out " You

stink! " -- truthful though this assessment may be.

 

All of which inspired in Dr. Dunning and his co-author, in presenting their

research to the public, a certain degree of nervousness.

 

" This article may contain faulty logic, methodological errors or poor

communication, " they cautioned in their journal report. " Let us assure our

readers that to the extent this article is imperfect, it is not a sin we have

committed knowingly. "

 

http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/health/011800hth-

behavior-incompetents.html

 

 

 

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > Prajnaparamita, the goddess depicted in the center of this ca.

17th

> > century folk tradition thangka,

> >

> > http://adishakti.org/images/prajnaparamita.jpg

> >

> > is the paradigmatic goddess from whom virtually all other

Buddhist

> > goddesses arise. She is the ultimate Buddha Matri, or " Mother of

> > Buddhas, " making her an enlightened being as well, and thus, a

> > female Buddha. Prajnaparamita is identified in this painting by

the

> > small delicate linear gold painted rendering of a book resting on

> > the lotus in her left hand. This book is the goddess' namesake

> > text, the Prajnaparamita Sutra, or the " perfection of wisdom.

She,

> > and the text, encompass and represent the wisdom that all

> > enlightened beings must attain, and subsequently both are seen as

> > the progenitors of Buddhas.

> >

> > The central goddess is depicted with four arms and is seated in

> > lotus position on a lion throne. In her left hand she holds a

> > lotus, on which rests the book described above. Her right hand

also

> > holds a lotus that supports a vertically balanced vajra. Her

> > primary hands are held in front of her torso and make the gesture

> > of teaching, dharmachakra mudra. This combination of iconography

is

> > known in other painted examples and its combined meaning is

clear.

> > The vajra symbolizes adamantine compassion and the realization of

> > bliss which, when combined with the book, representing the

> > perfection of wisdom, creates full enlightenment. The goddess'

> > primary hands held in dharmachakra mudra refer to the teaching

> > capacity of the goddess, and subsequently, the purpose of the

> > specific teaching which she personifies.

> >

> > kaladarshan.arts.ohio-state.edu

> >

> >

> > The Goddess of Transcendental Wisdom is seated in lotus position

on

> > a round lotus cushion that has been placed upon a rectangular

base.

> > She raises her hands in front of her chest in the gesture

> > symbolizing the Turning of the Wheel of the Law associated with

the

> > highest figures of the Buddhist pantheon. From the lotus cushion

> > rises a stalk that winds itself around the left arm of the

goddess

> > and ends in a lotus flower. On top of this lotus flower rests a

> > palm-leaf manuscript of the Sutra of Transcendental Wisdom, or

> > Prajnaparamita-sutra, the traditional attribute of the goddess

and

> > the repository of the wisdom, which she personifies.

> >

> > www.pbs.org/ringsofpassion/

> >

> >

> > Note: On March 10, 2003 Kash's 13-year-old brother Arwinder was

> > teased by his father. The reason was both brothers had shaved

their

> > heads bald the previous Sunday. 

> >

> > The father jokingly asked Arwinder, " How's the Buddha? " He

replied

> > with a laugh that He is alright. 

> >

> > Sensing that he was serious his father continued since Kash

always

> > maintained that a few Divine Beings, including Shri Buddha, were

> > invisible. Arwinder was indicating that he had seen the Buddha,

> > that is the Enlightened One had a spirit body.

> >

> > Father: " Have you met the Buddha? "  

> >

> > Arwinder: " Yes. "

> >

> > Father: " Have you seen the Buddha because to Kash He was

invisible? "

> >

> > Arwinder: " Yes. "

> >

> > Father: " How do you know He is the Buddha? "  

> >

> > Arwinder: " Because the people there told me. "  

> >

> > What Arwinder meant was that the Divine Beings meditating before

> > the Adi Shakti had introduced the Enlightened One to him. In

other

> > words Arwinder met the Buddha on numerous occasions since 1995

till

> > 2006. His father did not ask for a description of Buddha as there

> > is no desire to cross-examine experiences that are now beyond any

> > doubt or dispute. 

> >

> > http://adishakti.org/meeting_his_messengers/second_encounter.htm

> >

>

> Yesterday, February 15, 2007 at around 7.00 p.m. i decided to ask

> some questions regarding Shri Buddha. i had just updated some

> information on the webpage and decided to ask about Shri Buddha, a

> chance that i forgo in 2003 due to the overwhelming, irrefutable

> evidence given by Kash, Arwinder and Lalita since 1993. After more

> than a decade there was just no desire to ask further information.

>

> However, since last year Arwinder and Lalita have been unable to

> enter their Sahasraras any more. So i just wanted to know if

Arwinder

> could recall from his experiences, which both Kash and Lalita find

> very difficult now. i asked him what Shri Buddha's physical

features

> were like.

>

> Arwinder: " I think He is bald ...... a bit big. "

>

> Father: " What you mean by 'big'? "

>

> Arwinder: " He is big-sized. "

>

> Father: " Anything else you remember? "

>

> Arwinder: " He carry some symbols but I don't know what they look

like

> exactly. "

>

> Father: " What do you mean by 'symbols'? "

>

> Arwinder: " You know how Shri Mataji has this sign you put on the

> coconut? "

>

> Father: " Swastika. "

>

> Arwinder: " He has not like that but is some other kind. "

>

> Father: " You mean Shri Mataji always has this symbol (swastika)?

> Where is this symbol? "

>

> Arwinder: " Most of the time it is on Her hand. "

>

> Father: " What else you remember about Shri Buddha? "

>

> Arwinder: " I don't remember anything else. "

>

> Father: " You mean it is difficult to recollect now? "

>

> Arwinder: " Well, some things yes. "

>

> Father: " Was He short, tall or average height? "

>

> Arwinder: " I don't know. "

>

> Father: " So by 'big-sized' you mean fat or what? "

>

> Arwinder (laughing): " Yeah, a bit fat. " (Arwinder used the term

" big

> sized " out of respect.)

>

> Father: " Have you talked with Him? "

>

> Arwinder: " I think so but I don't remember what we talked about. "

>

> Father: " Thank you. "

>

> Note: Arwinder will be turning 17 next week and is an excellent

> student. Yet WCASY want all SYs to believe he is possessed and

> demonic. When told what other SYs think of him Arwinder, absolutely

> assured by years of daily encounters with Shri Prajnaparamita since

> turning five, just smiled. i think those who judge him so harshly

are

> possessed ..................... by ignorance, at least.

>