i am just like an ant trying to understand the universe.

[Guest guest]

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> Yesterday i was discussing religion and spirituality with my

> brother-in-law who had come down. i told him that in all my years

> prior to self-realization i grasped 1% of the Truth. Then from 1993-

> 2007 i realized another 1%, and that i am confident of realizing at

> maximum about 4-5% of the Truth in my remaining years. i am just

> like an ant trying to understand the universe.

>

 

nnn123

10/10/2006 1:02 PM

 

Buddha stopped a charging elephant with a look. Christ walked on

water. Even Gandhi had an appendectomy without anesthetic. If we

can't do these things, why do we assume that we have achieved the

highest rung of the spiritual ladder?

 

That is the problem, because people truly don't know what the goal

is...they look around the room, everyone else doesn't know what the

goal is and the result is accommodating to limitation.

 

Whereas, the deists, with many of their own faults, to be sure, tend

to believe that unless they see a vision of angels and talk with God,

that they aren't quite there yet. They have faith that there is

something beyond their own experience and don't assume to try and

take others experience and re-interpret it to mean only what they

have seen, felt and heard.

 

The disciples of Christ saw him resurrect a dead man, walk on water

and etc. They also felt his overwhelmingly love and gentleness and

compassion. These people lived. It was not a myth. The disciples of

the Buddha had similar experiences around him. But somehow when we

hear that the Buddha stopped an elephant, we think it must be a

metaphor. No, he had occult power, he had mastery over the animal

kingdom and he possessed all 8 of the occult powers of an illumined

sage. Now they are not the goal, but unless we have them, we are not

a fully illumined being.

 

No, nirvana is not a mood, it is not " being here now " or whatever

else. If you enter into nirvana, you can come back to the real world

and walk on water, resurrect dead people and on. If you can't do

that, it is not because that was cutesy mythological language, it is

because there is something far, far, far, far, beyond our own

experience.

 

So, what is the point. The point is to keep trying hard on the path,

because we are not there yet.

 

Take every single human quality of goodness and truth.

We can examine ourselves. If we are not perfected in every single

quality, we are not there yet.

 

In my monastic community there were a few people who not only did not

get angry, they had never experienced what anger was, even in their

mind.

 

Sri Ramakrishna said that he had never had a single thought of lust

in his entire life. Not once.

 

It is said that the Virgin Mary's power and purity was such that in

her presence, during her life, no one was ever able to even think a

thought of lust around her - the force of her being chased it all

away.

 

These saints - Buddhist or Christian or whatever...are just far, far,

far beyond the kinds of " be here now " discussions...these are beings

who can cure others of any disease they choose, beings who can solve

any problem in any arena... Swami Vivekanada was once reading the

Encyclopedia Britanica. Someone asked him what he read. He

answered, " which page " He had read the entire work, in one sitting

and memorized the entire 30 volumes or whatever. And, when asked, he

could recite the entire thing.

 

These beings are infinite and their abilities are infinite and that

is the star to which we should aspire, not just being able to be calm

or clear or strong or whatever else.

 

nnn123

www.beliefnet.com

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir,

Please explain what exactly is meant by the following excerpt that

you have posted, and your reasons for posting this.

 

''Sri Ramakrishna said that he had never had a single thought of lust

in his entire life. Not once.

 

It is said that the Virgin Mary's power and purity was such that in

her presence, during her life, no one was ever able to even think a

thought of lust around her - the force of her being chased it all

away.''

Love, Semira

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > Yesterday i was discussing religion and spirituality with my

> > brother-in-law who had come down. i told him that in all my years

> > prior to self-realization i grasped 1% of the Truth. Then from

1993-

> > 2007 i realized another 1%, and that i am confident of realizing

at

> > maximum about 4-5% of the Truth in my remaining years. i am just

> > like an ant trying to understand the universe.

> >

>

> nnn123

> 10/10/2006 1:02 PM

>

> Buddha stopped a charging elephant with a look. Christ walked on

> water. Even Gandhi had an appendectomy without anesthetic. If we

> can't do these things, why do we assume that we have achieved the

> highest rung of the spiritual ladder?

>

> That is the problem, because people truly don't know what the goal

> is...they look around the room, everyone else doesn't know what the

> goal is and the result is accommodating to limitation.

>

> Whereas, the deists, with many of their own faults, to be sure,

tend

> to believe that unless they see a vision of angels and talk with

God,

> that they aren't quite there yet. They have faith that there is

> something beyond their own experience and don't assume to try and

> take others experience and re-interpret it to mean only what they

> have seen, felt and heard.

>

> The disciples of Christ saw him resurrect a dead man, walk on water

> and etc. They also felt his overwhelmingly love and gentleness and

> compassion. These people lived. It was not a myth. The disciples of

> the Buddha had similar experiences around him. But somehow when we

> hear that the Buddha stopped an elephant, we think it must be a

> metaphor. No, he had occult power, he had mastery over the animal

> kingdom and he possessed all 8 of the occult powers of an illumined

> sage. Now they are not the goal, but unless we have them, we are

not

> a fully illumined being.

>

> No, nirvana is not a mood, it is not " being here now " or whatever

> else. If you enter into nirvana, you can come back to the real

world

> and walk on water, resurrect dead people and on. If you can't do

> that, it is not because that was cutesy mythological language, it

is

> because there is something far, far, far, far, beyond our own

> experience.

>

> So, what is the point. The point is to keep trying hard on the

path,

> because we are not there yet.

>

> Take every single human quality of goodness and truth.

> We can examine ourselves. If we are not perfected in every single

> quality, we are not there yet.

>

> In my monastic community there were a few people who not only did

not

> get angry, they had never experienced what anger was, even in their

> mind.

>

> Sri Ramakrishna said that he had never had a single thought of lust

> in his entire life. Not once.

>

> It is said that the Virgin Mary's power and purity was such that in

> her presence, during her life, no one was ever able to even think a

> thought of lust around her - the force of her being chased it all

> away.

>

> These saints - Buddhist or Christian or whatever...are just far,

far,

> far beyond the kinds of " be here now " discussions...these are

beings

> who can cure others of any disease they choose, beings who can

solve

> any problem in any arena... Swami Vivekanada was once reading the

> Encyclopedia Britanica. Someone asked him what he read. He

> answered, " which page " He had read the entire work, in one sitting

> and memorized the entire 30 volumes or whatever. And, when asked,

he

> could recite the entire thing.

>

> These beings are infinite and their abilities are infinite and that

> is the star to which we should aspire, not just being able to be

calm

> or clear or strong or whatever else.

>

> nnn123

> www.beliefnet.com

>

[Guest guest]

i am just quoting one nnn123 Semira. However, i cannot verify the

accuracy of nnn123's quote.

 

The reason - maybe we should try to attain that level of purity,

among other things. The bar is really very high, to say the least

............ but no harm trying.

 

regards,

 

jagbir

 

, " caraleen98 "

<caraleen98 wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir,

> Please explain what exactly is meant by the following excerpt that

> you have posted, and your reasons for posting this.

>

> ''Sri Ramakrishna said that he had never had a single thought of

lust in his entire life. Not once.

>

> It is said that the Virgin Mary's power and purity was such that in

> her presence, during her life, no one was ever able to even think a

> thought of lust around her - the force of her being chased it all

> away.''

> Love, Semira

>

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > , " jagbir singh "

> > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Yesterday i was discussing religion and spirituality with my

> > > brother-in-law who had come down. i told him that in all my

years

> > > prior to self-realization i grasped 1% of the Truth. Then from

> 1993-

> > > 2007 i realized another 1%, and that i am confident of

realizing

> at

> > > maximum about 4-5% of the Truth in my remaining years. i am just

> > > like an ant trying to understand the universe.

> > >

> >

> > nnn123

> > 10/10/2006 1:02 PM

> >

> > Buddha stopped a charging elephant with a look. Christ walked on

> > water. Even Gandhi had an appendectomy without anesthetic. If we

> > can't do these things, why do we assume that we have achieved the

> > highest rung of the spiritual ladder?

> >

> > That is the problem, because people truly don't know what the goal

> > is...they look around the room, everyone else doesn't know what

the

> > goal is and the result is accommodating to limitation.

> >

> > Whereas, the deists, with many of their own faults, to be sure,

> tend

> > to believe that unless they see a vision of angels and talk with

> God,

> > that they aren't quite there yet. They have faith that there is

> > something beyond their own experience and don't assume to try and

> > take others experience and re-interpret it to mean only what they

> > have seen, felt and heard.

> >

> > The disciples of Christ saw him resurrect a dead man, walk on

water

> > and etc. They also felt his overwhelmingly love and gentleness and

> > compassion. These people lived. It was not a myth. The disciples

of

> > the Buddha had similar experiences around him. But somehow when we

> > hear that the Buddha stopped an elephant, we think it must be a

> > metaphor. No, he had occult power, he had mastery over the animal

> > kingdom and he possessed all 8 of the occult powers of an

illumined

> > sage. Now they are not the goal, but unless we have them, we are

> not

> > a fully illumined being.

> >

> > No, nirvana is not a mood, it is not " being here now " or whatever

> > else. If you enter into nirvana, you can come back to the real

> world

> > and walk on water, resurrect dead people and on. If you can't do

> > that, it is not because that was cutesy mythological language, it

> is

> > because there is something far, far, far, far, beyond our own

> > experience.

> >

> > So, what is the point. The point is to keep trying hard on the

> path,

> > because we are not there yet.

> >

> > Take every single human quality of goodness and truth.

> > We can examine ourselves. If we are not perfected in every single

> > quality, we are not there yet.

> >

> > In my monastic community there were a few people who not only did

> not

> > get angry, they had never experienced what anger was, even in

their

> > mind.

> >

> > Sri Ramakrishna said that he had never had a single thought of

lust

> > in his entire life. Not once.

> >

> > It is said that the Virgin Mary's power and purity was such that

in

> > her presence, during her life, no one was ever able to even think

a

> > thought of lust around her - the force of her being chased it all

> > away.

> >

> > These saints - Buddhist or Christian or whatever...are just far,

> far,

> > far beyond the kinds of " be here now " discussions...these are

> beings

> > who can cure others of any disease they choose, beings who can

> solve

> > any problem in any arena... Swami Vivekanada was once reading the

> > Encyclopedia Britanica. Someone asked him what he read. He

> > answered, " which page " He had read the entire work, in one sitting

> > and memorized the entire 30 volumes or whatever. And, when asked,

> he

> > could recite the entire thing.

> >

> > These beings are infinite and their abilities are infinite and

that

> > is the star to which we should aspire, not just being able to be

> calm

> > or clear or strong or whatever else.

> >

> > nnn123

> > www.beliefnet.com

> >

>