The relationships between male and female have to be spiritually based to bring peace...

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, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

 

" These religious men want to feel all the power and pleasure of

penetrating dominated women at will, and thus take inhuman steps to

deny them the same. After all, their women were originally created

from a man's rib. How much respect do you think those indoctrinated

with this belief have for women?

 

Dear Jagbir, Semira, and All,

 

i agree with Jagbir that religios regimes are using religious domination to even

subjugate women sexually. This is absolutely abhorrent, and really needs to be

exposed for the satanic negativity that it really is.

 

Lets start in the Judeo-Christian Culture, where fifty years ago, boys were told

not to play with dolls (because it would make them ('sissies')... and girls were

taught not to play with tructors, trucks, and front-end-loaders (because that

was a 'man's thing'.) We were told that a boy could become a homosexual if he

played with dolls, and a girl could become a lesbian, if she played with

tractors, trucks, and other such mechanical toys. How silly and ignorant was

that belief! i would love to know who started that ridiculous lie!

 

In other words, there was a denial of men's ability to be a 'softie', yet which

wife, mother, daughter, or friend, does not like the soft streak in a man.

Likewise with a woman. What husband, father, son, or friend does not like to see

a strong woman, rather than a weak woman. Thank goodness that things are

changing today, and boys can play with dolls, and girls can play with tractors,

without raising eyebrows, or having to condition the children from their natural

male/female inherent qualities that everyone is born with.

 

The chauvanistic stereotype of the Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stalone

'types'... while hyped up... are not really attractive for women who can see

beyond these externally hyped stereotypes. These muscley stereotypes are too

physically based, with no spiritual substance depicted. There is no emotional

intelligence depicted either, which suggests they might even " begin " to

understand " real " women. Real men are not overbalanced in the masculine

characteristics. They have the balance of the feminine characteristics also.

These stereotypes are not real men, but figments of someone's imagination, i

would say.

 

The same goes for the opposite stereotype of " Barbie doll " . These 'barbie doll

types' just don't have much substance to them, either. They are like the froth

at the top of a milkshake. All pleasure, but no substance underneath; not

satisfying. Real women are not overbalanced in the feminine characteristics.

They have the balance of the masculine qualities, also. The stereotype is just a

figment of someone's imagination.

 

Psychologically healthy women, prefer men who have both male and female

qualities; men who are strong, yet sensitive and understanding. Children of both

sexes, are naturally born with these male and female qualities, until these are

conditioned or 'educated' out of them by the society. Thankfully, this is

changing.

 

In regards to the intimate relationships between men and women, the more

" emotional intimacy " there is, the better the relationship all around.

Relationships cannot be based on the physical alone. They have to be based upon

the Spirit, because that is what the person really is.... the Spirit. That is

why it is awful, for example, that in White Protestant Christianity, it was

taught from the Bible that women had to subject themselves to their men.

However, true spiritual marriage is a sacred relationship, in which there is

" no " subjugation, but in which there is a loving relationship of mutual

consensual 'giving and taking' in all areas of their life.

 

In the older generation, women had to give consent to sexual relationships,

whenever the man wanted it, because it was their duty, according to the Bible,

and according to society. They had to engage in these sexual relationships, even

when they were too tired, too run down, and too fatigued, because that is what

the Bible demanded.... though not what God demanded. However,that was the case

with a lot of the older generation of women.

 

Many of these women ended up taking 'head-ache' tablets, because they ended up

feeling like sexual objects, rather than human beings. They would have lost

their own self-identity in the process. They would have hated themselves,

despised themselves. They would have secretly hated/envied the men who had been

given so much power over them by the religious institutions... by the society.

 

It was a debasement of male/female relationships, and the women had to stay in

these relationships for life too. The religion and society often did not allow

for an easy divorce. The women therefore " died " ........maybe not

physically....... but mentally, emotionally, and spiritually they died. That's

why you heard phrases such as " Think of Mother England, and do your duty " .

 

Many women compensated by becoming sick in order to avoid sexual subjugation

within marriage. Then, the men felt cheated, and often went out, looking for

" greener pastures " because their wives had nothing left to give, not

spiritually, mentally, emotionally, or physically. Therefore, such relationships

between men and women spiralled downward. So, both men and women have suffered

under patriarchalism.

 

Marriage is not just an institution for men and/or women to get their sexual

pleasures from. Above all, and that which really lasts to eternity, is the

female/male relationship within.... the dynamics of it... the spiritual growth

and balance of it.... of both male and female qualities " within " , for this is

the nature of Spirit with its male and female elements. It is the balance... the

ying/yang.

 

As more individuals become who they really are, which is the " Spirit " , the

ecstasy of spiritual love grows and deepens. It is much deeper than " skin deep "

or " physically deep " . It is " spiritually deep " . Also, the sooner that women

worldwide are given the respect they deserve, the happier that men will be also.

 

Patriarchalism has done a great disservice to both men and women. But the new

feminine spirit to rebalance and reorder patriarchalism with the balance of

matriarchalism, shall thankfully see a spiritual blossoming of the relationships

between men and women. War will be overcome through Peace. That Peace will come

when we each become who we really are......... which is " the Spirit " !

 

violet

 

 

 

> Dear Semira,

>

> i am flabbergasted by your interpretation of nnn123's quote:

>

> >

> > ''Sri Ramakrishna said that he had never had a single thought of

> > lust in his entire life. Not once.

> >

> > It is said that the Virgin Mary's power and purity was such that

> > in her presence, during her life, no one was ever able to even

> > think a thought of lust around her - the force of her being

chased

> > it all away.''

> >

>

> to mean all that you have said about nnn123. Yours is a disturbing

> statement that betrays deep-rooted problems and an unbalanced

> outlook. This narrow-minded and apparently painful view is

definitely

> not healthy. Please rid yourself of self-distortion and excessive

> pity for the daily misery of untold millions because you do not

have

> the power to help/change their present conditions. Do not continue

to

> make yourself miserable with such self-torture.

>

> You should also realize that, except for religious fanatics, most

> humans do not view " women being seen as dirty and impure and a

> temptation for men " . The worst of the religious fanatics are those

> who slice off their clitorises so that not only will these women in

> future not tempt them, but also not tempt husbands in coitus with

> moans of their own pleasure. These religious men want to feel all

the

> power and pleasure of penetrating dominated women at will, and thus

> take inhuman steps to deny them the same. After all, their women

were

> originally created from a man's rib. How much respect do you think

> those indoctrinated with this belief have for women?

>

> But why discuss such a topic here? We all revere the Divine

Feminine

> and regard a wife, daughter, mother or sister as sacred too. The

> patriarchal religious fanatics will too if they realize the Divine

> Feminine (Shekinah/Holy Spirit/Ruh/) within .......... or want to

> take part in the Last Judgment and Al-Qiyamah. So do you see Her

> triumphing and leaving them no choice? Why do you think some Muslim

> nations have begun blocking the http://al-qiyamah.org/ site? Maybe

> you do not have the power to force change but She definitely has.

So

> give up all that torments you and learn to bear witness in Silence.

>

> Jai Shri Mataji,

>

>

> jagbir

>

>

> , " caraleen98 "

> <caraleen98@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir,

> > The reason that I find what 'nnn123' has written insulting and

> > objectionable is that in his words there is the theme of blaming

> > women for men's lust. This is the same theme that has resulted in

> > the cruelty and oppression of women, and this is the theme that

has

> > resulted in women being treated as inferior to men. This is the

> > theme that religions have based their treatment of women on...Eve

> > tempting Adam into sin in Judaism and Christianity, for example,

> > and the Muslim custom of covering their women so that men may not

> > be tempted. This implies that the lustful thoughts of men is the

> > fault of women, and is the same logic that blames victims of

rape.

> > Possibly you did not realise the implications of the quote. It is

> > against marriage and having children, and it goes on further to

> > imply that as men never felt lust for the Virgin Mary due to her

> > own purity and power, they do feel lust for other women because

> > they are impure. In other words, the quote is saying that lustful

> > thoughts of men are dependant on the condition of the woman, and

> > this is something that is blatantly untrue. I am not objecting to

> > people trying to attain purity, or whatever they think purity is

by

> > their own standards. I am objecting to women being seen as dirty

> > and impure and a temptation for men simply because they are

women.

> > There is a contradiction here; the Virgin Mary was married, and a

> > mother. She did not reject her own humanity; rather she embraced

it

> > fully. She was not an unmarried nun, and I don't think that she

> > ever advocated that anyone else should be, either. Purity does

not

> > mean that people despise themselves and the human condition; this

> > is a conditioning that has been imposed by religious

institutions.

> > Love, Semira

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " jagbir singh "

> > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > >

> > > i am just quoting one nnn123 Semira. However, i cannot verify

the

> > > accuracy of nnn123's quote.

> > >

> > > The reason - maybe we should try to attain that level of

purity,

> > > among other things. The bar is really very high, to say the

least

> > > ........... but no harm trying.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> > > , " caraleen98 "

> > > <caraleen98@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jagbir,

> > > >

> > > > Please explain what exactly is meant by the following excerpt

> > > > that you have posted, and your reasons for posting this.

> > > >

> > > > ''Sri Ramakrishna said that he had never had a single

thought of

> > > > lust in his entire life. Not once.

> > > >

> > > > It is said that the Virgin Mary's power and purity was such

> > > > that in her presence, during her life, no one was ever able

to

> > > > even think a thought of lust around her - the force of her

> > > > being chased it all away.''

> > > >

> > > > Love, Semira

> > > >

> > > >

>