As a matter of fact, the father of Jesus Christ is Shri Krishna...

[Guest guest]

Dear Semira and All,

 

Shri Mataji gave information on the subject of 'Who is Jesus Christ's Father' at

the Hinduja Auditorium in Bombay on 26 September, 1979. She spoke in Marathi,

but it has subsequently been translated into English for us. What Shri Mataji

says, is that Shri Krishna is Jesus Christ's Father, and since Shri Mataji was

the Mother of Jesus in that previous incarnation as Shri Mary, Who better to

know the answer to that question:

 

What Shri Mataji says about Jesus Christ...

 

Two great powers are combined in Jesus Christ. The first power is that of Shri

Ganesha, who is recognised as his original power, and the other is that of Shri

Kartikeya. Because of this, the incarnation of Jesus Christ is of complete

" Brahman Tattva " or 'Aumkar'. Shri Krishna, He being the father of Jesus Christ,

bestowed a number of boons on Jesus Christ prior to his birth.

 

One of these boons was that, " You (Jesus Christ) would dwell on a plane higher

than that of Mine. " This could be explained to mean, that while the plane of

Shri Krishna is the Vishuddhi Chakra, located at the base of our neck, the plane

of Jesus is Agnya Chakra, which is located at the junction of the optic thalamus

(pineal and pituitary glands).

 

The second boon granted by Shri Krishna was that, " You (Christ) would be the

support of the whole universe " .

 

The third boon was, that, " You would be the first to receive one-sixteenth part

of all the offerings made to Me in Pooja " .

 

In this way, after bestowing a number of boons, Shri Krishna permitted Shri

Jesus Christ to incarnate on the earth. You would understand these things

better, if you read " Markandeya Purana " . Shri Markandeya, the author of the

Purana has beautifully explained a number of such subtler points. In the same

Purana, there is a graphic description of Shri Maha Vishnu. * If you would

listen to this description while in meditation, you would notice that the

description is of Jesus Christ only.

 

* See Nirmala Yoga Vol. 18 (Nov.-Dec. 83), page 26

 

Now, if you study the etymology of the word, 'Christ', you would know that the

word has originated from a corrupted form of [the] word, 'Krishna'. As a matter

of fact, the father of Jesus Christ is Shri Krishna. That is why He is called

'Christ'. The manner in which his name Jesus originated is also very

interesting. The mother of Shri Krishna, Shri Yashoda Mata; was addressed as

" Yesu " . Even today, we notice that in northern Indian somebody named " Yeshu " is

not addressed as such but as " Jesu " . It is therefore, clear that from 'Yashoda'

came the word, 'Yeshu' and then further became the word " Jesu " and finally the

name 'Jesus Christ'.

 

Whenever, Jesus Christ told stories about His Father, he was actually speaking

about Shri Krishna; he was talking about Virata. Although, Shri Krishna did not

reincarnate during the period when Jesus Christ lived on the Earth, his

teachings centred round the theme as to how the seekers should know the 'Virata

Purusha' or God Almighty. The Mother of Jesus Christ was the Goddess Maha,

Lakshmi, herself. Mother Mary is none other than the Goddess Maha Lakshmi. She

is the Adi Shakti, the Primordial Mother. Therefore, Jesus Christ used to

address his Mother as the " Holy Ghost " .

 

Jesus Christ possesses all powers of Ekadesha Rudras, that is eleven powers of

destruction. These powers have their centres located around the cranium of our

head. When the incarnation of Kalki takes place, all these eleven powers perform

the work of destruction. Out of these eleven powers one is that of Shri

Hanumana, the other incarnation of Shri Bhairava. In the Bible, these two powers

are named as Saint Gabriel and Saint Michael respectively. After

Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga one can awaken these powers by addressing them

in Sanskrit, Marathi, or even in English. The Nadi on our right side, which is

known as 'Pingala-Nadi', is activated by the power of Shri Hanumana. Whenever,

any sort of pressure or constriction develops inside this Nadi, it is instantly

relieved by Chanting the mantra of Shri Hanumana. Similarly, even by chanting

the name of Saint Michael one would experience relief in the Ida-Nadi. Ida-Nadi

is on our left side and and manifests the power of Saint Michael or Shri

Bhairava. Obviously, chanting the Mantra of their names relieves any trouble or

constriction on the Ida Nadi.

 

The aforesaid matters can be verified by any person after Self-realization in

Sahaja Yoga. The purport why I am telling you all this, is to impress upon you

that it is absurd to quarrel against yourselves after grouping as Hindus or

Muslims or Christians. If you could see the principle behind all this, you would

realise that all these saints are like many flowers on the same tree of religion

and are connected with each other because of the one and the same power.

 

(Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Translation of Shri Mataji's advice given in Marathi

at Hinduja Auditorium, Bombay, 26th September 1979.)

 

 

Semira, i believe this is also a good time to include what Shri Mataji stated in

relation to Christian Religious Conditionings, which are pertinent for those,

(including myself), who come from the Christian Religious Tradition. In the text

below, Shri Mataji states that we [Christians] must follow Christ and not the

Christian Religion. This actually reminds me that Shri Mataji told us Sahaja

Yogis to dedicate to Her and not to Sahaja Yoga. It is the same principle.

 

In any case, just contemplate on what that will mean for Christians if they

follow Her good advice. It means they will become unshackled from centuries of

divisive religious conditionings, because they will then be able to 'see Christ

more clearly' from the vantage point of other spiritual traditions also! Here is

what Shri Mataji says about Christian Conditionings:

 

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi on Christian Conditionings...

 

Now Christ actually is described in Indian scriptures, but Christians won't go

beyond Bible, they cannot. They're so bound. They will not go beyond Bible to

see. To them Bible is the last and the first and everything. It's surprising in

everything they cross limits, but in understanding you must go to other

scriptures. That's why I really respect and appreciate Jung because he went out

of the way to find out about everything with a very open scientific mind.

 

Now, in the Indian scripture, in the Devi Bhagvatam, where they have described

the Goddess, they have very clearly described Christ, absolutely, all and his

life. But he is called as Mahavishnu. Vishnu is the Deity at this point nabhi

(chakra) which is responsible for our evolution, but He's at Mahavishnu point.

And His description if you read, to the last bit of it is so great, and He is

the incarnation of the same innocence born on this earth. It's 'so clearly'

described.

 

(Shri Mataji - Advice Given, Formal Talk, at C.G. Jung Society's Hall - New

York, USA on American Tour - 16 September, 1983)

 

 

Semira, in 1982 Shri Mataji spoke about the fact that She found that all Sahaja

Yogis from the West, were still attached to 'Christianity' rather than to

Christ! We obviously just don't realise how strong our conditioning is " in

Christianity " . i hope this strong conditioning has become less strong over the

years:

 

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi...

 

I find that all Sahaja Yogis who are from the West are still attached to

'Christianity' and not to Christ. There is a lingering Christianity still within

you, and the Christianity has to drop out. While Indians are very good at

dropping out all non-sensical ideas, because we have had lots of challenges in

this country for every thing. For the conditioning, we have had challenges, for

the ego-oriented, we have had challenges. So people are used to this kind of a

giving-up. But in the West, we still are very much attached to that non-sense of

Christianity. It has nothing to do with Christ, believe me, and this fanaticism

which is lingering still in your mind must be given-up, otherwise you do not do

'any' justice to Christ. That by no chance means that you take to another

religion like Hinduism or any non-sensical Jainism, or any thing. The 'essence',

the 'Tattwa' of Christianity is Christ. And it is 'so' thickly clouded by all

these non-sensical things that you 'really' have to drop-out this word

'Christianity' from your vocabulary completely, and from your mind, otherwise

you can 'never' go to the essence. It is a fact, take it from me.

 

And even now the attention of all the people is on what Christ said, or Mother

Mary has said it, and which has come through these horrible people to us. So to

learn about other Deities and other great Incarnations, we neutralise. We must

try to neutralise too much attention [on one] by learning about other Deities,

say, Shri Ganesha. If you talk about Shri Ganesha [that] He is the essence of

Christ, [then] you [can] understand it. Ganesha is the essence of Christ, and

Christ is the manifestation of Shri Ganesha's powers. So, if you go to the

'essence', of most things, you see, that is better. Then of course, Christ is

there but we must see in Him, as He is, which 'very few' people have seen

before, but now in Sahaja Yoga you 'should' see Him as He was. He was the

Holiest of Holy, first of all. So one has to understand that these conditionings

of Catholicism made us so repulsive to ourselves that we took to the other side

which is even worse, much worse than the conditioning. And you come in contact

with these people morning till evening. Either they are Freudian or they are

so-called Christian; even after realisation.

 

(Shri Mataji - Christmas Puja (Christmas Eve Talk) - Pune, India - 24 December,

1982)

 

 

So Semira, i think we have to be content with what Shri Mataji has given,

whether we understand it or not. She said that Shri Krishna is the Father of

Shri Jesus. i am sure if there was a human father involved, Shri Mary would have

known about it. However, instead of that, an angel had to inform Her of the

conception and birth of Jesus. Whether you and i, or others understand it or

not, does not really matter in the final analysis. The fact is, according to

Shri Mataji, who was there in that previous incarnation, Shri Krishna is the

Father of Shri Jesus. So who are we to argue with that? Lets face it! Shri Jesus

did not have a human father, though he did have a human mother, who was also the

Goddess Maha Lakshmi!!!:

 

" The Mother of Jesus Christ was the Goddess Maha, Lakshmi, herself. Mother Mary

is none other than the Goddess Maha Lakshmi. She is the Adi Shakti, the

Primordial Mother. Therefore, Jesus Christ used to address his Mother as the

" Holy Ghost " . (Shri Mataji)

 

i hope this helps.

 

kind regards,

 

violet

 

 

,

" caraleen98 " <caraleen98 wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir and Violet,

> In the account of the conception of Jesus in the Bible, it is

written

> that Mary was already pregnant before she married Joseph, and that

> Joseph was not responsible for the conception but that he accepted

> that he would marry Mary despite this. If the account in the Bible

is

> true and not lies and deception, then Joseph is not the father of

> Jesus.

> Christians believe that the Holy Spirit was responsible for the

> conception and that Mary was a virgin, as the alternative would

mean

> either that Joseph and Mary were lying, or that she had been raped

by

> someone unknown.

> Please could you clarify this confusing issue.

> Thanks, Semira

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Violet,

Thanks very much for your comprehensive answer; it has helped me to

understand things much more.

Love, Semira

 

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear Semira and All,

>

> Shri Mataji gave information on the subject of 'Who is Jesus

Christ's Father' at the Hinduja Auditorium in Bombay on 26

September, 1979. She spoke in Marathi, but it has subsequently been

translated into English for us. What Shri Mataji says, is that Shri

Krishna is Jesus Christ's Father, and since Shri Mataji was the

Mother of Jesus in that previous incarnation as Shri Mary, Who

better to know the answer to that question:

>

> What Shri Mataji says about Jesus Christ...

>

> Two great powers are combined in Jesus Christ. The first power is

that of Shri Ganesha, who is recognised as his original power, and

the other is that of Shri Kartikeya. Because of this, the

incarnation of Jesus Christ is of complete " Brahman Tattva "

or 'Aumkar'. Shri Krishna, He being the father of Jesus Christ,

bestowed a number of boons on Jesus Christ prior to his birth.

>

> One of these boons was that, " You (Jesus Christ) would dwell on a

plane higher than that of Mine. " This could be explained to mean,

that while the plane of Shri Krishna is the Vishuddhi Chakra,

located at the base of our neck, the plane of Jesus is Agnya Chakra,

which is located at the junction of the optic thalamus (pineal and

pituitary glands).

>

> The second boon granted by Shri Krishna was that, " You (Christ)

would be the support of the whole universe " .

>

> The third boon was, that, " You would be the first to receive one-

sixteenth part of all the offerings made to Me in Pooja " .

>

> In this way, after bestowing a number of boons, Shri Krishna

permitted Shri Jesus Christ to incarnate on the earth. You would

understand these things better, if you read " Markandeya Purana " .

Shri Markandeya, the author of the Purana has beautifully explained

a number of such subtler points. In the same Purana, there is a

graphic description of Shri Maha Vishnu. * If you would listen to

this description while in meditation, you would notice that the

description is of Jesus Christ only.

>

> * See Nirmala Yoga Vol. 18 (Nov.-Dec. 83), page 26

>

> Now, if you study the etymology of the word, 'Christ', you would

know that the word has originated from a corrupted form of [the]

word, 'Krishna'. As a matter of fact, the father of Jesus Christ is

Shri Krishna. That is why He is called 'Christ'. The manner in which

his name Jesus originated is also very interesting. The mother of

Shri Krishna, Shri Yashoda Mata; was addressed as " Yesu " . Even

today, we notice that in northern Indian somebody named " Yeshu " is

not addressed as such but as " Jesu " . It is therefore, clear that

from 'Yashoda' came the word, 'Yeshu' and then further became the

word " Jesu " and finally the name 'Jesus Christ'.

>

> Whenever, Jesus Christ told stories about His Father, he was

actually speaking about Shri Krishna; he was talking about Virata.

Although, Shri Krishna did not reincarnate during the period when

Jesus Christ lived on the Earth, his teachings centred round the

theme as to how the seekers should know the 'Virata Purusha' or God

Almighty. The Mother of Jesus Christ was the Goddess Maha, Lakshmi,

herself. Mother Mary is none other than the Goddess Maha Lakshmi.

She is the Adi Shakti, the Primordial Mother. Therefore, Jesus

Christ used to address his Mother as the " Holy Ghost " .

>

> Jesus Christ possesses all powers of Ekadesha Rudras, that is

eleven powers of destruction. These powers have their centres

located around the cranium of our head. When the incarnation of

Kalki takes place, all these eleven powers perform the work of

destruction. Out of these eleven powers one is that of Shri

Hanumana, the other incarnation of Shri Bhairava. In the Bible,

these two powers are named as Saint Gabriel and Saint Michael

respectively. After Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga one can awaken

these powers by addressing them in Sanskrit, Marathi, or even in

English. The Nadi on our right side, which is known as 'Pingala-

Nadi', is activated by the power of Shri Hanumana. Whenever, any

sort of pressure or constriction develops inside this Nadi, it is

instantly relieved by Chanting the mantra of Shri Hanumana.

Similarly, even by chanting the name of Saint Michael one would

experience relief in the Ida-Nadi. Ida-Nadi is on our left side and

and manifests the power of Saint Michael or Shri Bhairava.

Obviously, chanting the Mantra of their names relieves any trouble

or constriction on the Ida Nadi.

>

> The aforesaid matters can be verified by any person after Self-

realization in Sahaja Yoga. The purport why I am telling you all

this, is to impress upon you that it is absurd to quarrel against

yourselves after grouping as Hindus or Muslims or Christians. If you

could see the principle behind all this, you would realise that all

these saints are like many flowers on the same tree of religion and

are connected with each other because of the one and the same power.

>

> (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Translation of Shri Mataji's advice

given in Marathi at Hinduja Auditorium, Bombay, 26th September 1979.)

>

>

> Semira, i believe this is also a good time to include what Shri

Mataji stated in relation to Christian Religious Conditionings,

which are pertinent for those, (including myself), who come from the

Christian Religious Tradition. In the text below, Shri Mataji states

that we [Christians] must follow Christ and not the Christian

Religion. This actually reminds me that Shri Mataji told us Sahaja

Yogis to dedicate to Her and not to Sahaja Yoga. It is the same

principle.

>

> In any case, just contemplate on what that will mean for

Christians if they follow Her good advice. It means they will become

unshackled from centuries of divisive religious conditionings,

because they will then be able to 'see Christ more clearly' from the

vantage point of other spiritual traditions also! Here is what Shri

Mataji says about Christian Conditionings:

>

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi on Christian Conditionings...

>

> Now Christ actually is described in Indian scriptures, but

Christians won't go beyond Bible, they cannot. They're so bound.

They will not go beyond Bible to see. To them Bible is the last and

the first and everything. It's surprising in everything they cross

limits, but in understanding you must go to other scriptures. That's

why I really respect and appreciate Jung because he went out of the

way to find out about everything with a very open scientific mind.

>

> Now, in the Indian scripture, in the Devi Bhagvatam, where they

have described the Goddess, they have very clearly described Christ,

absolutely, all and his life. But he is called as Mahavishnu. Vishnu

is the Deity at this point nabhi (chakra) which is responsible for

our evolution, but He's at Mahavishnu point. And His description if

you read, to the last bit of it is so great, and He is the

incarnation of the same innocence born on this earth. It's 'so

clearly' described.

>

> (Shri Mataji - Advice Given, Formal Talk, at C.G. Jung Society's

Hall - New York, USA on American Tour - 16 September, 1983)

>

>

> Semira, in 1982 Shri Mataji spoke about the fact that She found

that all Sahaja Yogis from the West, were still attached

to 'Christianity' rather than to Christ! We obviously just don't

realise how strong our conditioning is " in Christianity " . i hope

this strong conditioning has become less strong over the years:

>

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi...

>

> I find that all Sahaja Yogis who are from the West are still

attached to 'Christianity' and not to Christ. There is a lingering

Christianity still within you, and the Christianity has to drop out.

While Indians are very good at dropping out all non-sensical ideas,

because we have had lots of challenges in this country for every

thing. For the conditioning, we have had challenges, for the ego-

oriented, we have had challenges. So people are used to this kind of

a giving-up. But in the West, we still are very much attached to

that non-sense of Christianity. It has nothing to do with Christ,

believe me, and this fanaticism which is lingering still in your

mind must be given-up, otherwise you do not do 'any' justice to

Christ. That by no chance means that you take to another religion

like Hinduism or any non-sensical Jainism, or any thing.

The 'essence', the 'Tattwa' of Christianity is Christ. And it

is 'so' thickly clouded by all these non-sensical things that

you 'really' have to drop-out this word 'Christianity' from your

vocabulary completely, and from your mind, otherwise you can 'never'

go to the essence. It is a fact, take it from me.

>

> And even now the attention of all the people is on what Christ

said, or Mother Mary has said it, and which has come through these

horrible people to us. So to learn about other Deities and other

great Incarnations, we neutralise. We must try to neutralise too

much attention [on one] by learning about other Deities, say, Shri

Ganesha. If you talk about Shri Ganesha [that] He is the essence of

Christ, [then] you [can] understand it. Ganesha is the essence of

Christ, and Christ is the manifestation of Shri Ganesha's powers.

So, if you go to the 'essence', of most things, you see, that is

better. Then of course, Christ is there but we must see in Him, as

He is, which 'very few' people have seen before, but now in Sahaja

Yoga you 'should' see Him as He was. He was the Holiest of Holy,

first of all. So one has to understand that these conditionings of

Catholicism made us so repulsive to ourselves that we took to the

other side which is even worse, much worse than the conditioning.

And you come in contact with these people morning till evening.

Either they are Freudian or they are so-called Christian; even after

realisation.

>

> (Shri Mataji - Christmas Puja (Christmas Eve Talk) - Pune, India -

24 December, 1982)

>

>

> So Semira, i think we have to be content with what Shri Mataji has

given, whether we understand it or not. She said that Shri Krishna

is the Father of Shri Jesus. i am sure if there was a human father

involved, Shri Mary would have known about it. However, instead of

that, an angel had to inform Her of the conception and birth of

Jesus. Whether you and i, or others understand it or not, does not

really matter in the final analysis. The fact is, according to Shri

Mataji, who was there in that previous incarnation, Shri Krishna is

the Father of Shri Jesus. So who are we to argue with that? Lets

face it! Shri Jesus did not have a human father, though he did have

a human mother, who was also the Goddess Maha Lakshmi!!!:

>

> " The Mother of Jesus Christ was the Goddess Maha, Lakshmi,

herself. Mother Mary is none other than the Goddess Maha Lakshmi.

She is the Adi Shakti, the Primordial Mother. Therefore, Jesus

Christ used to address his Mother as the " Holy Ghost " . (Shri Mataji)

>

> i hope this helps.

>

> kind regards,

>

> violet

>

>

> ,

> " caraleen98 " <caraleen98@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir and Violet,

> > In the account of the conception of Jesus in the Bible, it is

> written

> > that Mary was already pregnant before she married Joseph, and

that

> > Joseph was not responsible for the conception but that he

accepted

> > that he would marry Mary despite this. If the account in the

Bible

> is

> > true and not lies and deception, then Joseph is not the father of

> > Jesus.

> > Christians believe that the Holy Spirit was responsible for the

> > conception and that Mary was a virgin, as the alternative would

> mean

> > either that Joseph and Mary were lying, or that she had been

raped

> by

> > someone unknown.

> > Please could you clarify this confusing issue.

> > Thanks, Semira

> >

>