When the Christian priesthood removed the Doctrine of Re-incarnation...

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

When the Christian priesthood removed the Doctrine of Re-incarnation from the

Christian Religion, they got themselves and their followers in an 'awful pickle'

regarding the understanding of the Spiritual Teachings that Christ Jesus gave.

 

Jesus once said to Nicodemus:

 

" Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he

cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh,

and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. " (John 3:5)

 

When Christ Jesus says " unless one is born of water " and in the very next

sentence, says: " that which is born of the flesh is flesh " ... it is obvious He

was referring to the physical birth of a human being, prior to which the

mother's 'waters break'. The 'water' that Jesus was referring to is " amniotic

fluid " . However, the priestly caste, who took away the Doctrine of Reincarnation

[that Jesus clearly espoused] had to come up with some alternative explanations.

That is why [among other explanations] they 'put about' that Jesus was referring

to the " Rite of Baptism by Water " .

 

These Christian priests and ministers, who claim to be followers of Jesus,

cannot even agree with each other, let alone with what Christ taught. Yet they

expect their followers to have 'blind faith' in them!

 

Here is just one lengthy excerpt from an article, which shows the confusion

generated by this 'passing priestly parade', who instead of considering that

reincarnation exists, are tiptoeing all around it. They just will not see what

is staring them right in the face:

 

How Are We Born of Water and the Spirit?

 

By Basil Overton

 

" How are we born of water and the Spirit? Jesus said that in order to enter the

kingdom of heaven, we must be born of water and the Spirit (John 3:5).

 

Being born of water and the Spirit is called by many " the new birth. " One does

not get the new birth, but one is born again or experiences the new birth by

exercising his will in response to the will of God.

 

Some deny that water in John 3:5 means water. When asked what it does mean,

these say it means the Spirit. But, this would mean Jesus was saying, " Except a

man be born of the Spirit and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. "

Obviously, water in John 3:5 does not mean the Spirit.

 

Others say water in John 3:5 does mean water, but if refers to the water of

physical birth, and that born of the Spirit in the passage refers to the

spiritual birth or new birth. This is another obvious error and misunderstanding

because this interpretation would mean Jesus was saying, " Except a man is born

the first time and the second time, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. "

Obviously, if one is not born the first time, he cannot enter the kingdom!

 

Those who say water in John 3:5 refers to the water of the physical birth make

it obvious they are overlooking the question Nicodemus asked. In John 3:3, it is

recorded that Jesus told Nicodemus, " Except a man be born again, he cannot see

the kingdom of God. " Nicodemus naturally responded, " How can a man be born when

he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb and be born? "

 

Jesus answered this question Nicodemus asked by saying that being born again

involves water and the Spirit! Whatever water means in John 3:5, we know it is

involved in being born again!

 

Jesus answered the question, " How is one born again? " by saying that being born

again involved both water and the Spirit! He was not answering the question,

" How is one born the first time? " Instead, he was answering the question, " How

is one born the second time? " And, he said one must be born the second time by

being born of water and the Spirit!

 

I read the following interesting comment on John 3:5 in one of Martin Luther's

books:

 

It is true that the word water does often symbolize temptation in Holy Writ,

especially in the Psalms. (Psalms 18:16; 69:1-3.) But here (John 3:5) it cannot

be interpreted that way; for here Christ is speaking of baptism, of real and

natural water such as a cow may drink, the baptism about which you hear in the

sermons on this subject. Therefore, the word water does not designate affliction

here; it means real, natural water, which is connected with God's word and

becomes a very spiritual bath through the Holy Spirit or through the entire

Trinity. Here Christ also speaks of the Holy Spirit as present and active, in

fact, the entire Holy Trinity is there. And thus the person who has been

baptized is said to be born anew. In Titus 3:3 Paul terms baptism " a washing of

regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit. " In the last chapter of Mark we

read that " he who believes and is baptized will be saved. " (Mark 16:16.) And in

this passage Christ declares that whoever is not born anew of the water and the

Holy Spirit cannot come into the kingdom of God. Therefore, God's words dare not

be tampered with. " (Martin Luther's Sermons on the Gospel of Saint John, Vol.

22, p. 283.) http://www.gospelgazette.com/gazette/2001/mar/page17.htm

 

i find it interesting, that inspite of the fact that the priestly class edited

out Christ Jesus' clear understanding of Reincarnation [for their own selfish

purposes] that they then have the audacity though, to tell others that:

 

" God's words dare not be tampered with " .

 

Is this not rather hypocritical and laughable at the same time! Is it any wonder

that Christ warned about them, and said:

 

" Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a

blind man, both will fall into a pit. " (Matthew 15:14 - NAS)

 

 

 

There is another instance, where the priestly classes got it wrong [since they

disbanded the Doctrine of Reincarnation]. i am referring to the occasion in the

Bible, where the Holy Spirit shows Ezekiel all these 'dry bones' that S/He says

will 'come back to life'. This is actually symbolic of reincarnation.

 

However, the priestly class [who disbanded the Doctrine of Reincarnation] will

have you believe that these 'dry bones' will come back to life again, as human

beings. According to my husband [who is a Registered Nurse - Division I], 'dry

bones' have lost all trace of genetic material [unlike fresh bones], and

therefore dry bones cannot be used to reproduce a human being, as the priestly

class would have their followers believe.

 

In any case, why does the Divine have to 're-incarnate' a person through

genetics, when the Divine has already instituted that the mother gives physical

birth to the child. This silly concept by the priestly class [whether they

realise it or not] is just a ridiculous 'pseudo form of re-incarnation' anyway!

It is just amazing the lengths they will go, to avoid the fact of reincarnation!

Yet these priests reincarnate too, whether they believe in reincarnation or not.

That is the real hilarious thing about all this, really!

 

So, all in all, the priestly classes are not too intelligent, when it comes to

the fact of reincarnation. Their alternative explanations are below par... to

say the least. It is small wonder then that many followers of Christ are turning

away from the religions surrounding the Incarnation of Christ, and are rather

turning to Christ Himself. One really cannot blame them for having lost faith in

the priesthood, who themselves do not have, or know, the answers.

 

This is because Knowledge of the Divine, is not an intellectual external

pursuit, but it is an inner spiritual pursuit, which is what 'gnosticism' really

is, and with this inner knowledge, the 'inner' and the 'outer' agree and

complement each other. There are no conflicts. The Absolute Truth will be seen

and known!

 

Here then, is the Vision that the Holy Spirit gave to Ezekiel, and it is a

Vision, which symbolizes and indicates that all the Spiritual Seekers of the

Truth of all 'past times', would re-incarnate at this special time of the Last

Judgment and Resurrection, when the Holy Spirit would be 'poured out upon all

flesh' [in other words, 'En-Masse' Spiritual Transformation]:

 

" The hand of the Lord was upon me [Ezekiel] and He brought me out by the Spirit

of the Lord and set me down in the middle of the valley; and it was full of

bones. And S/He caused me to pass among them round about, and behold, there were

very many on the surface of the valley; and lo, they were very dry. And S/He

said to me, " Son of man, can these bones live? " And I answered, " O Lord God,

Thou knowest. " Again S/He said to me, " Prophesy over these bones, and say to

them, `O dry bones, hear the word of the Lord.' " Thus says the Lord God to these

bones, `Behold, I will cause breath to enter you that you may come to life. And

I will put sinews on you, make flesh grow back on you, over you with skin, and

put breath in you that you may come alive; and you will know that I am the

Lord' " So I (Ezekiel) prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there

was a noise and behold, a rattling; and the bones came together, bone to its

bone. And I looked, and behold, sinews were on them, and flesh grew, and skin

covered them; but there was no breath in them. Then S/He said to me, " Prophesy

to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, " Thus says the Lord

God, " Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they

come to life. " ' " So I prophesied as S/He commanded me, and the breath came into

them, and they came to life, and stood on their feet, an exceedingly great army.

(Ezekiel 37:1-10)

 

THE VISION EXPLAINED: - Then S/He said to me, " Son of man, these bones are the

whole house of Israel [Children of God]; behold, they say, `Our bones are dried

up, and our hope has perished. We are completely cut off.' " Therefore prophesy,

and say to them, `Thus says the Lord God, " Behold, I will open your graves

[allow passage from death unto life] My people; and I will bring you into the

land of Israel [into the Kingdom of God Within]. " Then you will know that I am

the Lord, when I have opened your graves [enabled you to have your Resurrection]

and caused you to come up out of your graves [Resurrected you], My people.

(Ezekiel 37:11-13)

 

The Vision of Ezekiel as given by the Holy Spirit, is a clear reference to

reincarnation. What Ezekiel prophesied [as given by the Holy Spirit/Shekinah] is

now happening. The people who used to own those dry bones, are being

re-incarnated, not by growing flesh on old dry bones that have become dust, but

through physical [ " born of the water " ] birth. According to Shri Mataji, all the

great seekers of past times have re-incarnated now [in other words, have been

" born of water " again] in order to be " born of the Spirit " [a.k.a. Second Birth

of the Spirit, Self-Realisation, Moksha, Kundalini Awakening).

 

violet

[Guest guest]

Dear Violet, Jagbir and Friends,

 

There are some questions that I would like to ask about the subject

of reincarnation.

-What significance and perspective do memories of past lives have in

regards to our present life?

-Why do the memories of past lives begin to surface?

-I know that it is the present moment that is important, but to what

extent do the qualities and actions of the person that we were once

were affect the person that we are now? Is this how unfinished karma

and destiny fits in?

 

Thanks, Semira

 

 

 

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> When the Christian priesthood removed the Doctrine of Re-

incarnation from the Christian Religion, they got themselves and

their followers in an 'awful pickle' regarding the understanding of

the Spiritual Teachings that Christ Jesus gave.

>

> Jesus once said to Nicodemus:

>

> " Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the

Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born

of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is

spirit. " (John 3:5)

>

> When Christ Jesus says " unless one is born of water " and in the

very next sentence, says: " that which is born of the flesh is

flesh " ... it is obvious He was referring to the physical birth of a

human being, prior to which the mother's 'waters break'. The 'water'

that Jesus was referring to is " amniotic fluid " . However, the

priestly caste, who took away the Doctrine of Reincarnation [that

Jesus clearly espoused] had to come up with some alternative

explanations. That is why [among other explanations] they 'put

about' that Jesus was referring to the " Rite of Baptism by Water " .

>

> These Christian priests and ministers, who claim to be followers

of Jesus, cannot even agree with each other, let alone with what

Christ taught. Yet they expect their followers to have 'blind faith'

in them!

>

> Here is just one lengthy excerpt from an article, which shows the

confusion generated by this 'passing priestly parade', who instead

of considering that reincarnation exists, are tiptoeing all around

it. They just will not see what is staring them right in the face:

>

> How Are We Born of Water and the Spirit?

>

> By Basil Overton

>

> " How are we born of water and the Spirit? Jesus said that in order

to enter the kingdom of heaven, we must be born of water and the

Spirit (John 3:5).

>

> Being born of water and the Spirit is called by many " the new

birth. " One does not get the new birth, but one is born again or

experiences the new birth by exercising his will in response to the

will of God.

>

> Some deny that water in John 3:5 means water. When asked what it

does mean, these say it means the Spirit. But, this would mean Jesus

was saying, " Except a man be born of the Spirit and the Spirit, he

cannot enter the kingdom of God. " Obviously, water in John 3:5 does

not mean the Spirit.

>

> Others say water in John 3:5 does mean water, but if refers to the

water of physical birth, and that born of the Spirit in the passage

refers to the spiritual birth or new birth. This is another obvious

error and misunderstanding because this interpretation would mean

Jesus was saying, " Except a man is born the first time and the

second time, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. " Obviously, if one

is not born the first time, he cannot enter the kingdom!

>

> Those who say water in John 3:5 refers to the water of the

physical birth make it obvious they are overlooking the question

Nicodemus asked. In John 3:3, it is recorded that Jesus told

Nicodemus, " Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of

God. " Nicodemus naturally responded, " How can a man be born when he

is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb and be

born? "

>

> Jesus answered this question Nicodemus asked by saying that being

born again involves water and the Spirit! Whatever water means in

John 3:5, we know it is involved in being born again!

>

> Jesus answered the question, " How is one born again? " by saying

that being born again involved both water and the Spirit! He was not

answering the question, " How is one born the first time? " Instead,

he was answering the question, " How is one born the second time? "

And, he said one must be born the second time by being born of water

and the Spirit!

>

> I read the following interesting comment on John 3:5 in one of

Martin Luther's books:

>

> It is true that the word water does often symbolize temptation in

Holy Writ, especially in the Psalms. (Psalms 18:16; 69:1-3.) But

here (John 3:5) it cannot be interpreted that way; for here Christ

is speaking of baptism, of real and natural water such as a cow may

drink, the baptism about which you hear in the sermons on this

subject. Therefore, the word water does not designate affliction

here; it means real, natural water, which is connected with God's

word and becomes a very spiritual bath through the Holy Spirit or

through the entire Trinity. Here Christ also speaks of the Holy

Spirit as present and active, in fact, the entire Holy Trinity is

there. And thus the person who has been baptized is said to be born

anew. In Titus 3:3 Paul terms baptism " a washing of regeneration and

renewal of the Holy Spirit. " In the last chapter of Mark we read

that " he who believes and is baptized will be saved. " (Mark 16:16.)

And in this passage Christ declares that whoever is not born anew of

the water and the Holy Spirit cannot come into the kingdom of God.

Therefore, God's words dare not be tampered with. " (Martin Luther's

Sermons on the Gospel of Saint John, Vol. 22, p. 283.)

http://www.gospelgazette.com/gazette/2001/mar/page17.htm

>

> i find it interesting, that inspite of the fact that the priestly

class edited out Christ Jesus' clear understanding of Reincarnation

[for their own selfish purposes] that they then have the audacity

though, to tell others that:

>

> " God's words dare not be tampered with " .

>

> Is this not rather hypocritical and laughable at the same time! Is

it any wonder that Christ warned about them, and said:

>

> " Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a

blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit. " (Matthew

15:14 - NAS)

>

>

>

> There is another instance, where the priestly classes got it wrong

[since they disbanded the Doctrine of Reincarnation]. i am referring

to the occasion in the Bible, where the Holy Spirit shows Ezekiel

all these 'dry bones' that S/He says will 'come back to life'. This

is actually symbolic of reincarnation.

>

> However, the priestly class [who disbanded the Doctrine of

Reincarnation] will have you believe that these 'dry bones' will

come back to life again, as human beings. According to my husband

[who is a Registered Nurse - Division I], 'dry bones' have lost all

trace of genetic material [unlike fresh bones], and therefore dry

bones cannot be used to reproduce a human being, as the priestly

class would have their followers believe.

>

> In any case, why does the Divine have to 're-incarnate' a person

through genetics, when the Divine has already instituted that the

mother gives physical birth to the child. This silly concept by the

priestly class [whether they realise it or not] is just a

ridiculous 'pseudo form of re-incarnation' anyway! It is just

amazing the lengths they will go, to avoid the fact of

reincarnation! Yet these priests reincarnate too, whether they

believe in reincarnation or not. That is the real hilarious thing

about all this, really!

>

> So, all in all, the priestly classes are not too intelligent, when

it comes to the fact of reincarnation. Their alternative

explanations are below par... to say the least. It is small wonder

then that many followers of Christ are turning away from the

religions surrounding the Incarnation of Christ, and are rather

turning to Christ Himself. One really cannot blame them for having

lost faith in the priesthood, who themselves do not have, or know,

the answers.

>

> This is because Knowledge of the Divine, is not an intellectual

external pursuit, but it is an inner spiritual pursuit, which is

what 'gnosticism' really is, and with this inner knowledge,

the 'inner' and the 'outer' agree and complement each other. There

are no conflicts. The Absolute Truth will be seen and known!

>

> Here then, is the Vision that the Holy Spirit gave to Ezekiel, and

it is a Vision, which symbolizes and indicates that all the

Spiritual Seekers of the Truth of all 'past times', would re-

incarnate at this special time of the Last Judgment and

Resurrection, when the Holy Spirit would be 'poured out upon all

flesh' [in other words, 'En-Masse' Spiritual Transformation]:

>

> " The hand of the Lord was upon me [Ezekiel] and He brought me out

by the Spirit of the Lord and set me down in the middle of the

valley; and it was full of bones. And S/He caused me to pass among

them round about, and behold, there were very many on the surface of

the valley; and lo, they were very dry. And S/He said to me, " Son of

man, can these bones live? " And I answered, " O Lord God, Thou

knowest. " Again S/He said to me, " Prophesy over these bones, and say

to them, `O dry bones, hear the word of the Lord.' " Thus says the

Lord God to these bones, `Behold, I will cause breath to enter you

that you may come to life. And I will put sinews on you, make flesh

grow back on you, over you with skin, and put breath in you that you

may come alive; and you will know that I am the Lord' " So I

(Ezekiel) prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there

was a noise and behold, a rattling; and the bones came together,

bone to its bone. And I looked, and behold, sinews were on them, and

flesh grew, and skin covered them; but there was no breath in them.

Then S/He said to me, " Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man,

and say to the breath, " Thus says the Lord God, " Come from the four

winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they come to

life. " ' " So I prophesied as S/He commanded me, and the breath came

into them, and they came to life, and stood on their feet, an

exceedingly great army. (Ezekiel 37:1-10)

>

> THE VISION EXPLAINED: - Then S/He said to me, " Son of man, these

bones are the whole house of Israel [Children of God]; behold, they

say, `Our bones are dried up, and our hope has perished. We are

completely cut off.' " Therefore prophesy, and say to them, `Thus

says the Lord God, " Behold, I will open your graves [allow passage

from death unto life] My people; and I will bring you into the land

of Israel [into the Kingdom of God Within]. " Then you will know that

I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves [enabled you to have

your Resurrection] and caused you to come up out of your graves

[Resurrected you], My people. (Ezekiel 37:11-13)

>

> The Vision of Ezekiel as given by the Holy Spirit, is a clear

reference to reincarnation. What Ezekiel prophesied [as given by the

Holy Spirit/Shekinah] is now happening. The people who used to own

those dry bones, are being re-incarnated, not by growing flesh on

old dry bones that have become dust, but through physical [ " born of

the water " ] birth. According to Shri Mataji, all the great seekers

of past times have re-incarnated now [in other words, have

been " born of water " again] in order to be " born of the Spirit "

[a.k.a. Second Birth of the Spirit, Self-Realisation, Moksha,

Kundalini Awakening).

>

> violet

>

[Guest guest]

,

" caraleen98 " <caraleen98 wrote:

 

" There are some questions that I would like to ask about the subject

of reincarnation. What significance and perspective do memories of

past lives have in regards to our present life?

 

Why do the memories of past lives begin to surface? I know that it is the

present moment that is important, but to what extent do the qualities and

actions of the person that we were once were affect the person that we are now?

Is this how unfinished karma and destiny fits in? "

 

 

Dear Semira,

 

Our " Spirit Within " , who is our individual Mother Within, knows about all our

lifetimes, because She accompanied us in all those lifetimes. However, when we

are born, knowledge of our previous lifetimes is erased. It is called a " veil of

forgetting " . It is purposely done to give us the best advantage to start a new

life without any 'past baggage.' But it also means, that we forget who we really

are, which is the Spirit, and we again have to seek the Truth.

 

In this lifetime, we reap the good we have sown in the past lifetime. Our

character is the sum total of all the spiritual lessons we have learned or not

learned. In this lifetime, however, it seems that our priority is to overcome

every spiritual hurdle, and achieve our spiritual liberation, because this is

the Spiritual Harvesting Time and those who have not completed their lessons,

are going to have to start all over from the beginning again, apparently. So,

the urgency is there. Something momentous is happening, and Shri Mataji said we

do not have much time left. Even the Mayans are saying the same thing.

 

The spiritual lessons we have to learn, have to be learned from the deepest part

of ourselves. We have to go " deep within " . Those who only pretend to go deep, do

not achieve their spiritual liberation. It is not a game, but it is complete

spiritual transformation. That is why Shri Mataji came to help us, to give us

our kundalini awakening, so that we have the power to transform ourselves from

within. The best way to do that is to " become our Spirit " , by realising every

moment, until this consciousness never leaves us, that we are not the mind,

body, emotions, but we are really the Spirit. We do have tendencies that we

bring over from past lifetimes, but with the power of our Spirit, and the

kundalini energy, we can overcome these. All these tendencies will come from

either our 'over-inflated-ego' our our conditionings.

 

There are a lot of people who have 'past life regression' and soforth these

days, in order to find out what tendencies they had, or who they were. Who they

were, does not really matter, except maybe for the novelty value. In any case,

whatever the person was, their 'good' or 'bad' tendencies will be present in

their current lifetime, and that is what is important to address, that they are

replacing the lower self, with the Higher Self, or Spirit.

 

Sometimes, we wonder why things work out a certain way in our lives, but the

Divine always guides us down a certain path for our spiritual benevolence. That

benevolence is for our spiritual ascent, and for nothing else, because

everything else is only of temporary earthly value anyway. It is not of eternal

value.

 

In regards to memories of past lives, i think they sometimes surface, when we

are dealing with issues in our present life, that are related to past lifetimes.

Let me give you an experience of mine, to clarify:

 

When i was a young girl, i had this great desire to play the piano. However,

there were eight children in my family, and my parents could not afford to give

me music lessons. So, i taught myself to play " by ear " and had to content myself

with that, and it gave me many hours of pleasure to play.

 

Years later, in Australia, in the 1970's, i still had the same dream, to play

music. i felt it in my Spirit, that i had a feel for it, and that i would move

people through music. So, when i heard there was this very special Music

Teacher, famous in Sydney, for his own unique style of teaching, and that he

lived in the same street i lived on, i thought this was my golden opportunity,

to achieve my dream.

 

i rented a small piano, and started to take music lessons from him. However,

that was not to last, because he died, after only a few months of lessons. i was

very devastated, as i had really thrived under his teaching methods, and knew i

would not find anyone like him, with his unique method of teaching. There was

this thing, whereby music somehow seemed my life, a feeling i must have had from

several past lives, dedicated to music.

 

i guess it took some time for me to get over it, as it must have been a deep

issue for me at that time. In fact, i had three separate dreams, showing me

three separate lifetimes, where i was deeply involved in music. One with Chinese

instruments, one with a harp, and one with a grand piano. My Spirit seemed to be

showing me that i should feel fortunate that i have had such great musical past

lifetimes, and that this lifetime, should be dedicated to what i now know, is

the spiritual.

 

Semira, i think our Spirit helps us. She knows us best, and She knows our every

lifetime. When She shows us glimpses, i think She is trying to inform and help

us, so that we can come to terms with our present lifetime, and achieve our

spiritual liberation, at this time.

 

i hope this helps. Here are some things from Shri Mataji.

 

love from violet

 

 

 

" So in your meditations, you have to sit down. Now what do you see in

meditation. Try to see all the chakras, what chakras are catching, face it

yourself. These might be from your past life some chakras are weak, try to make

them alright, try to strengthen them. Because ideals have to be worked out. The

instrument has to be alright, if the instrument is a crazy one how will you do?

So first of all you must develop your instrument properly, it should be

balanced, powerful, not cowardly. People should feel your power. Of course the

power is of love, but love doesn't mean that you compromise with all the

nonsensical things. There should be no compromise at all. It's a very

self-certifying state. We cannot say when it is, so we just cannot say. Itself,

the state, will certify that I'm alright now, I have reached that state. You

cannot say after five hours three minutes two seconds you will become that. You

just mature and see that maturity within you.

 

Once you understand, that unless and until you become your ideals, you are not a

Sahaja Yogi. Everybody can call themselves Sahaja Yogis; there's no

inauguration, we don't have any sort of a inauguration of a university where

people can come and get their degrees and diplomas, " Alright, you are certified

twice born. " There are some who are several times twice born. They are twice

born today, tomorrow they are not, then again they become twice born, and again

twice born. Some of them can be 108 times twice born, in Sahaja Yoga. And even

then they are not certified. So you have to give yourself a certificate. There

is no university to do that. "

 

(Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming The Ideals " - Diwali Puja Temple of all

faiths, Hampstead, London - 6 November, 1983)

 

 

" Get out of that past life - that past, the myre. That should be over now. You

are quite aware, how with my power of Love, I've protected you all. You know

how, at every moment, I've helped you. At every point of your desire, I've -

come forward to fulfil it. That's one side - as I said - the nourishment. But

now your ascent has to come from you. Your rising has to come from you. That has

to be worked out by 'you' - and you alone. Not by any other sahaja yogi or by

me. I can only give you suggestions. Not only the suggestion, but the warnings.

And 'everything' is at hand. It's all worked out so well. I'm informed. I'm

informed before. You don't have to go anywhere. The whole thing is 'within'

yourself. You don't have to give money, you don't have to give anything. But

develop that Dedication within yourself.

 

(Shri Mataji - Cowley Manor, England " Complete Dedication The Only Way " - 31

July, 1982)

 

 

> Dear Violet, Jagbir and Friends,

>

> There are some questions that I would like to ask about the

subject

> of reincarnation.

> -What significance and perspective do memories of past lives have

in

> regards to our present life?

> -Why do the memories of past lives begin to surface?

> -I know that it is the present moment that is important, but to

what

> extent do the qualities and actions of the person that we were

once

> were affect the person that we are now? Is this how unfinished

karma

> and destiny fits in?

>

> Thanks, Semira

>

>

>

> , " Violet "

> <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > When the Christian priesthood removed the Doctrine of Re-

> incarnation from the Christian Religion, they got themselves and

> their followers in an 'awful pickle' regarding the understanding

of

> the Spiritual Teachings that Christ Jesus gave.

> >

> > Jesus once said to Nicodemus:

> >

> > " Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the

> Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is

born

> of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is

> spirit. " (John 3:5)

> >

> > When Christ Jesus says " unless one is born of water " and in the

> very next sentence, says: " that which is born of the flesh is

> flesh " ... it is obvious He was referring to the physical birth of

a

> human being, prior to which the mother's 'waters break'. The

'water'

> that Jesus was referring to is " amniotic fluid " . However, the

> priestly caste, who took away the Doctrine of Reincarnation [that

> Jesus clearly espoused] had to come up with some alternative

> explanations. That is why [among other explanations] they 'put

> about' that Jesus was referring to the " Rite of Baptism by Water " .

> >

> > These Christian priests and ministers, who claim to be followers

> of Jesus, cannot even agree with each other, let alone with what

> Christ taught. Yet they expect their followers to have 'blind

faith'

> in them!

> >

> > Here is just one lengthy excerpt from an article, which shows

the

> confusion generated by this 'passing priestly parade', who instead

> of considering that reincarnation exists, are tiptoeing all around

> it. They just will not see what is staring them right in the face:

> >

> > How Are We Born of Water and the Spirit?

> >

> > By Basil Overton

> >

> > " How are we born of water and the Spirit? Jesus said that in

order

> to enter the kingdom of heaven, we must be born of water and the

> Spirit (John 3:5).

> >

> > Being born of water and the Spirit is called by many " the new

> birth. " One does not get the new birth, but one is born again or

> experiences the new birth by exercising his will in response to

the

> will of God.

> >

> > Some deny that water in John 3:5 means water. When asked what it

> does mean, these say it means the Spirit. But, this would mean

Jesus

> was saying, " Except a man be born of the Spirit and the Spirit, he

> cannot enter the kingdom of God. " Obviously, water in John 3:5

does

> not mean the Spirit.

> >

> > Others say water in John 3:5 does mean water, but if refers to

the

> water of physical birth, and that born of the Spirit in the

passage

> refers to the spiritual birth or new birth. This is another

obvious

> error and misunderstanding because this interpretation would mean

> Jesus was saying, " Except a man is born the first time and the

> second time, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. " Obviously, if

one

> is not born the first time, he cannot enter the kingdom!

> >

> > Those who say water in John 3:5 refers to the water of the

> physical birth make it obvious they are overlooking the question

> Nicodemus asked. In John 3:3, it is recorded that Jesus told

> Nicodemus, " Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom

of

> God. " Nicodemus naturally responded, " How can a man be born when

he

> is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb and be

> born? "

> >

> > Jesus answered this question Nicodemus asked by saying that

being

> born again involves water and the Spirit! Whatever water means in

> John 3:5, we know it is involved in being born again!

> >

> > Jesus answered the question, " How is one born again? " by saying

> that being born again involved both water and the Spirit! He was

not

> answering the question, " How is one born the first time? " Instead,

> he was answering the question, " How is one born the second time? "

> And, he said one must be born the second time by being born of

water

> and the Spirit!

> >

> > I read the following interesting comment on John 3:5 in one of

> Martin Luther's books:

> >

> > It is true that the word water does often symbolize temptation

in

> Holy Writ, especially in the Psalms. (Psalms 18:16; 69:1-3.) But

> here (John 3:5) it cannot be interpreted that way; for here Christ

> is speaking of baptism, of real and natural water such as a cow

may

> drink, the baptism about which you hear in the sermons on this

> subject. Therefore, the word water does not designate affliction

> here; it means real, natural water, which is connected with God's

> word and becomes a very spiritual bath through the Holy Spirit or

> through the entire Trinity. Here Christ also speaks of the Holy

> Spirit as present and active, in fact, the entire Holy Trinity is

> there. And thus the person who has been baptized is said to be

born

> anew. In Titus 3:3 Paul terms baptism " a washing of regeneration

and

> renewal of the Holy Spirit. " In the last chapter of Mark we read

> that " he who believes and is baptized will be saved. " (Mark

16:16.)

> And in this passage Christ declares that whoever is not born anew

of

> the water and the Holy Spirit cannot come into the kingdom of God.

> Therefore, God's words dare not be tampered with. " (Martin

Luther's

> Sermons on the Gospel of Saint John, Vol. 22, p. 283.)

> http://www.gospelgazette.com/gazette/2001/mar/page17.htm

> >

> > i find it interesting, that inspite of the fact that the

priestly

> class edited out Christ Jesus' clear understanding of

Reincarnation

> [for their own selfish purposes] that they then have the audacity

> though, to tell others that:

> >

> > " God's words dare not be tampered with " .

> >

> > Is this not rather hypocritical and laughable at the same time!

Is

> it any wonder that Christ warned about them, and said:

> >

> > " Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a

> blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit. " (Matthew

> 15:14 - NAS)

> >

> >

> >

> > There is another instance, where the priestly classes got it

wrong

> [since they disbanded the Doctrine of Reincarnation]. i am

referring

> to the occasion in the Bible, where the Holy Spirit shows Ezekiel

> all these 'dry bones' that S/He says will 'come back to life'.

This

> is actually symbolic of reincarnation.

> >

> > However, the priestly class [who disbanded the Doctrine of

> Reincarnation] will have you believe that these 'dry bones' will

> come back to life again, as human beings. According to my husband

> [who is a Registered Nurse - Division I], 'dry bones' have lost

all

> trace of genetic material [unlike fresh bones], and therefore dry

> bones cannot be used to reproduce a human being, as the priestly

> class would have their followers believe.

> >

> > In any case, why does the Divine have to 're-incarnate' a person

> through genetics, when the Divine has already instituted that the

> mother gives physical birth to the child. This silly concept by

the

> priestly class [whether they realise it or not] is just a

> ridiculous 'pseudo form of re-incarnation' anyway! It is just

> amazing the lengths they will go, to avoid the fact of

> reincarnation! Yet these priests reincarnate too, whether they

> believe in reincarnation or not. That is the real hilarious thing

> about all this, really!

> >

> > So, all in all, the priestly classes are not too intelligent,

when

> it comes to the fact of reincarnation. Their alternative

> explanations are below par... to say the least. It is small wonder

> then that many followers of Christ are turning away from the

> religions surrounding the Incarnation of Christ, and are rather

> turning to Christ Himself. One really cannot blame them for having

> lost faith in the priesthood, who themselves do not have, or know,

> the answers.

> >

> > This is because Knowledge of the Divine, is not an intellectual

> external pursuit, but it is an inner spiritual pursuit, which is

> what 'gnosticism' really is, and with this inner knowledge,

> the 'inner' and the 'outer' agree and complement each other. There

> are no conflicts. The Absolute Truth will be seen and known!

> >

> > Here then, is the Vision that the Holy Spirit gave to Ezekiel,

and

> it is a Vision, which symbolizes and indicates that all the

> Spiritual Seekers of the Truth of all 'past times', would re-

> incarnate at this special time of the Last Judgment and

> Resurrection, when the Holy Spirit would be 'poured out upon all

> flesh' [in other words, 'En-Masse' Spiritual Transformation]:

> >

> > " The hand of the Lord was upon me [Ezekiel] and He brought me

out

> by the Spirit of the Lord and set me down in the middle of the

> valley; and it was full of bones. And S/He caused me to pass among

> them round about, and behold, there were very many on the surface

of

> the valley; and lo, they were very dry. And S/He said to me, " Son

of

> man, can these bones live? " And I answered, " O Lord God, Thou

> knowest. " Again S/He said to me, " Prophesy over these bones, and

say

> to them, `O dry bones, hear the word of the Lord.' " Thus says the

> Lord God to these bones, `Behold, I will cause breath to enter you

> that you may come to life. And I will put sinews on you, make

flesh

> grow back on you, over you with skin, and put breath in you that

you

> may come alive; and you will know that I am the Lord' " So I

> (Ezekiel) prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied,

there

> was a noise and behold, a rattling; and the bones came together,

> bone to its bone. And I looked, and behold, sinews were on them,

and

> flesh grew, and skin covered them; but there was no breath in

them.

> Then S/He said to me, " Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of

man,

> and say to the breath, " Thus says the Lord God, " Come from the

four

> winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they come to

> life. " ' " So I prophesied as S/He commanded me, and the breath came

> into them, and they came to life, and stood on their feet, an

> exceedingly great army. (Ezekiel 37:1-10)

> >

> > THE VISION EXPLAINED: - Then S/He said to me, " Son of man, these

> bones are the whole house of Israel [Children of God]; behold,

they

> say, `Our bones are dried up, and our hope has perished. We are

> completely cut off.' " Therefore prophesy, and say to them, `Thus

> says the Lord God, " Behold, I will open your graves [allow passage

> from death unto life] My people; and I will bring you into the

land

> of Israel [into the Kingdom of God Within]. " Then you will know

that

> I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves [enabled you to have

> your Resurrection] and caused you to come up out of your graves

> [Resurrected you], My people. (Ezekiel 37:11-13)

> >

> > The Vision of Ezekiel as given by the Holy Spirit, is a clear

> reference to reincarnation. What Ezekiel prophesied [as given by

the

> Holy Spirit/Shekinah] is now happening. The people who used to own

> those dry bones, are being re-incarnated, not by growing flesh on

> old dry bones that have become dust, but through physical [ " born

of

> the water " ] birth. According to Shri Mataji, all the great seekers

> of past times have re-incarnated now [in other words, have

> been " born of water " again] in order to be " born of the Spirit "

> [a.k.a. Second Birth of the Spirit, Self-Realisation, Moksha,

> Kundalini Awakening).

> >

> > violet

> >

>