Questions - The only solution is to start with a clean slate

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, " rondosky "

<rondosky wrote:

>

> Hi guys,

>

> I read somewhere that all we need to do is to spread the

> adishakti.org website. Any advise as to how to orient a newcomer to

> the website. There is like so much info that im afraid it will

> scare a new person away.

 

i think it is mere speculation that the Truth will scare people away.

This is the usual excuse SYs have used for decades to justify lying

to the public about Shri Mataji and what Sahaja Yoga is all about. A

hypothetical situation would be disciples asking seekers to make free

furniture from Jesus since He is a good carpenter. Only after waiting

for months for the furniture would they be told He is actually the

Son of God i.e., sorry, the free furniture was just a ploy to get

them attracted to Jesus and His message.

 

But did His disciples do that? No! Unlike SYs they risked their lives

to promote the Truth about Jesus' Advent and Message.

 

Did they believe the Truth will scare people away? No! Unlike SYs

they believed that telling the Truth upfront and at all times will

attract more followers.

 

> n what abt a non religious person? how should we go abt spreading

> the message?

 

The Truth applies to all, irrespective of religious beliefs. Shri

Mataji never bothered whether people will believe Her or not. Who are

we to decide to whom, how and when the Truth will be delivered?

 

 

> also im starting to have problems with meditating on Mother within.

> feeling confused these days. i'm having this unsettling and

> restless feeling which i can't shake off. something is missing.

>

 

i too am having a restless and uneasy time for the last few days,

ever since i was told that:

 

" The main idea - Devi resides in Sahasrara, reach Her there. Russian

and Ukranian councils said " the message to be negative, they told not

to reach into Sahasrara, because it will break someone's subtle

system. They ordered to remove everyone who bring the message on

collective programme. It is possession " .

 

i am disturbed by the fear, hysteria and ignorance that council

members project unto SYs. This mental disease is passed all around

and will only make SYs all the more dreadful of meditating within.

They will always project the senses and attention outside, and pass

on this disease to all newcomers. There is no hope in sight as it is

the council members who have become blind and deaf to the core

teachings of Shri Mataji:

 

“You know that I reside in the Sahasrara. I incarnated on the Lotus

of 1000 Petals; that is why I could break it open also.”

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Jump Into The Ocean Of Love

Sahasrara Puja Sorento, Italy — May 6, 1989

 

 

" But those who have got Realization will enter into the Kingdom of

God. You have to enter into the Kingdom of God here, as I say, in the

Seventh Chakra.”

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

The New Age Has Started, Houston, USA — Oct. 6, 1981

 

 

i have been doing little work the last few days. i am just trying to

understand the immense negativity that has possessed WCASY and the SY

leadership to act so - from hijacking Her will to getting henchmen

like John Noyce to remove Wikipedia links to council members

declaring that meditating on Shri Mataji within will break the subtle

system. i have also realized that a number of SYs, despite years of

footsoaking and treatments, are still unbalanced and fanatical.

 

The only solution is to start with a clean slate i.e., nourish and

nuture newcomers by shielding them from Sahaja Yoga collectives,

WCASY and their SYSSR. They must not be exposed to the fear, hysteria

and ignorance of the vast majority of SYs. That is why a few posts

ago i wrote:

 

" There are two types of followers nowadays:

 

- the vast majority who meditate on the external, physical Shri

Mataji and empower WCASY and their SYSSR;

- the tiny but growing minority who meditate on the internal, eternal

Adi Shakti and want to declare Her advent and message to all humanity.

 

If by splitting into two you mean differentiating the followers of

WCASY and their SYSSR from the devotees of the Adi Shakti's Advent

and Divine Message to humanity you are absolutely right. If by that

you mean separating the chaff (liars, cowards and hypocrites) from

the wheat (those with the conscience, dharma and nature of self-

realized souls) then you are so right again. If by that you mean

things will get worse after Her Mahasamadhi you are correct again.

 

In the end either the WCASY and their SYSSR or the Adi Shakti and Her

Divine Message will survive, not both. i am just giving advise as to

how to edge your bets on the future outcome of this struggle. " (end)

 

The only way to sustain Shri Mataji's Advent and Divine Message is to

completely ignore the conditioned and ignorant SYs and concentrate

exclusively on new seekers. To ensure success all precaution must be

taken to protect newcomers from WCASY and their SYSSR. These seekers

must be amply warned beforehand so that they will not fall victim to

the fear, hysteria and ignorance of SY collectives which never cease

to shock me. That is why it does not matter to me if all the SYs of

the world ignore or go against me and the websites and forum. If i do

not meet another SY for the rest of my life i will be at peace. That

would be a great blessing if by doing just that i am able to reach

the rest of humanity and declare the Truth of Her Advent and Message.

 

All i want to do is to find ways and means to ensure all new seekers

are protected from the immense negativity that has gripped many SY

collectives .......... and that is exactly what i intent to do from

today. So SYs should stop telling me that the Truth will scare people

off because i know it scares them even more in the first place to be

honest, transparent and open about their deepest beliefs. i know

there are millions of great souls out there who will have far more

faith and courage than all the present SYs combined, and She will

eventually triumph through them. Time is definitely on Her side.

 

regards,

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

 

" All i want to do is to find ways and means to ensure all new seekers are

protected from the immense negativity that has gripped many SY collectives

........... and that is exactly what i intent to do from today. So SYs should

stop telling me that the Truth will scare people off because i know it scares

them even more in the first place to be honest, transparent and open about their

deepest beliefs. i know there are millions of great souls out there who will

have far more faith and courage than all the present SYs combined, and She will

eventually triumph through them. Time is definitely on Her side. "

 

 

Dear Jagbir and All,

 

i think you have hit the nail on the head, when you say that SY's should stop

saying that the Truth will scare people off, since the Truth Itself is scaring

away these SYs themselves from being honest, transparent and open about their

deepest beliefs. In other words, they are " fear-mongering " . The fact that this

lack of honesty, transparency and openness is coming from the SY Organisation

itself (from the " Top-down " ) is even greater reason for concern!

 

Shri Mataji used to say that " one rotten apple can spoil the whole basket of

apples " {meaning the whole Local Collective) and She told us SYs in the State of

NSW (Sydney) that this tragedy had happened within the Victorian Collective

(Melbourne). Apparently, a Sahaja Yogini had exercised " too much control " over

the SYs, and the whole Local Collective, in Shri Mataji's Words... " had gone

down. " This Sahaja Yogini was therefore, asked to leave the collective.

 

However, it is John Noyce now, who from this very same local collective that

this yogini was in, who is now Officially Encouraged by his 'fellow apples of

the same basket, WCASY'... to not only " exercise control " over the SYs in his

own Local Collective (via the Worldwide SY Media) but also over the Local

Collectives Worldwide, as evidenced by Kyyan, back in August of 2006:

 

/message/6576

 

We have also seen John (therefore WCASY's) participation at Wikipedia, where he

tried to disconnect Shri Mataji's Identity, Mission, and Message (namely

http://www.adishakti.org/) from Sahaja Yoga. Meanwhile, i see no evidence

anywhere of John (therefore WCASY) openly promoting Shri Mataji's Identity,

Mission, and Message.

 

Practically speaking, such control results in SYs being unable to openly discuss

amongst themselves, their deepest spiritual concerns. i know this from

experience. Even before i joined this forum and its associated website,

http://www.adishakti.org/, i had posted to SYMELB, where John Noyce remains

Moderator (along with the current Leader/Moderator). i had posted a heartfelt

message of concern 'that we as SY's grow deeper, like the beautiful flowers in

Mother's Garden.' However, my post was very slow in getting approved, and when i

emailed John to see if he had received it, he said he had, but to my utter

disbelief, he said he would not approve it!

 

That was the point at which i knew there was something " seriously wrong " in

Sahaja Yoga... the organisational part of it. The current Leader/Moderator

however, did approve my post. i admit i was grateful for something which should

only be a natural right of freedom of expression of one self-realised soul to

the other self-realised souls.

 

As i was shocked about what happened, i asked John Noyce, himself, if he knew of

any forum where i could write freely (instead of all the restrictions). He told

me he knew of no such forum, even though he was a member of this forum at that

time, and still is. It was very shortly after that, the Adi Shakti led me to

this forum, and i have not looked back. i now know the extent of the 'entrenched

institutionalised suppression, restriction, and control over SYs, and i cannot

tolerate or support, such Management Practices over self-realised souls, who are

supposed to be liberated!

 

i am talking about " The Big Picture " here. This is that it is not okay to

suppress, repress, and control the freedom of expression of Sahaja Yogis on the

internet... thus also suppressing their honesty, transparency, and openness. The

only way to counter this institutionalised negativity in the Organisation of

Sahaja Yoga, is to speak up about it, and to face it squarely, and to denounce

the people, the 'so-called SY's', who are doing this. i believe we have done our

job to bring this awareness, of what has happened, and we are moving on to

better things, like getting Her Identity, Mission, and Message 'out there'.

 

Like you say, Jagbir, under such negative influence, the only solution seems to

be " to start with a clean slate " and to make sure future Seekers of the Truth,

do not come under such control tactics.

 

Jai Shri Mataji!

 

violet

 

 

 

> , " rondosky "

> <rondosky@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > I read somewhere that all we need to do is to spread the

> > adishakti.org website. Any advise as to how to orient a newcomer

to

> > the website. There is like so much info that im afraid it will

> > scare a new person away.

>

> i think it is mere speculation that the Truth will scare people

away.

> This is the usual excuse SYs have used for decades to justify lying

> to the public about Shri Mataji and what Sahaja Yoga is all about.

A

> hypothetical situation would be disciples asking seekers to make

free

> furniture from Jesus since He is a good carpenter. Only after

waiting

> for months for the furniture would they be told He is actually the

> Son of God i.e., sorry, the free furniture was just a ploy to get

> them attracted to Jesus and His message.

>

> But did His disciples do that? No! Unlike SYs they risked their

lives

> to promote the Truth about Jesus' Advent and Message.

>

> Did they believe the Truth will scare people away? No! Unlike SYs

> they believed that telling the Truth upfront and at all times will

> attract more followers.

>

> > n what abt a non religious person? how should we go abt spreading

> > the message?

>

> The Truth applies to all, irrespective of religious beliefs. Shri

> Mataji never bothered whether people will believe Her or not. Who

are

> we to decide to whom, how and when the Truth will be delivered?

>

>

> > also im starting to have problems with meditating on Mother

within.

> > feeling confused these days. i'm having this unsettling and

> > restless feeling which i can't shake off. something is missing.

> >

>

> i too am having a restless and uneasy time for the last few days,

> ever since i was told that:

>

> " The main idea - Devi resides in Sahasrara, reach Her there.

Russian

> and Ukranian councils said " the message to be negative, they told

not

> to reach into Sahasrara, because it will break someone's subtle

> system. They ordered to remove everyone who bring the message on

> collective programme. It is possession " .

>

> i am disturbed by the fear, hysteria and ignorance that council

> members project unto SYs. This mental disease is passed all around

> and will only make SYs all the more dreadful of meditating within.

> They will always project the senses and attention outside, and pass

> on this disease to all newcomers. There is no hope in sight as it

is

> the council members who have become blind and deaf to the core

> teachings of Shri Mataji:

>

> " You know that I reside in the Sahasrara. I incarnated on the Lotus

> of 1000 Petals; that is why I could break it open also. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> Jump Into The Ocean Of Love

> Sahasrara Puja Sorento, Italy — May 6, 1989

>

>

> " But those who have got Realization will enter into the Kingdom of

> God. You have to enter into the Kingdom of God here, as I say, in

the

> Seventh Chakra. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> The New Age Has Started, Houston, USA — Oct. 6, 1981

>

>

> i have been doing little work the last few days. i am just trying

to

> understand the immense negativity that has possessed WCASY and the

SY

> leadership to act so - from hijacking Her will to getting henchmen

> like John Noyce to remove Wikipedia links to council members

> declaring that meditating on Shri Mataji within will break the

subtle

> system. i have also realized that a number of SYs, despite years of

> footsoaking and treatments, are still unbalanced and fanatical.

>

> The only solution is to start with a clean slate i.e., nourish and

> nuture newcomers by shielding them from Sahaja Yoga collectives,

> WCASY and their SYSSR. They must not be exposed to the fear,

hysteria

> and ignorance of the vast majority of SYs. That is why a few posts

> ago i wrote:

>

> " There are two types of followers nowadays:

>

> - the vast majority who meditate on the external, physical Shri

> Mataji and empower WCASY and their SYSSR;

> - the tiny but growing minority who meditate on the internal,

eternal

> Adi Shakti and want to declare Her advent and message to all

humanity.

>

> If by splitting into two you mean differentiating the followers of

> WCASY and their SYSSR from the devotees of the Adi Shakti's Advent

> and Divine Message to humanity you are absolutely right. If by that

> you mean separating the chaff (liars, cowards and hypocrites) from

> the wheat (those with the conscience, dharma and nature of self-

> realized souls) then you are so right again. If by that you mean

> things will get worse after Her Mahasamadhi you are correct again.

>

> In the end either the WCASY and their SYSSR or the Adi Shakti and

Her

> Divine Message will survive, not both. i am just giving advise as

to

> how to edge your bets on the future outcome of this

struggle. " (end)

>

> The only way to sustain Shri Mataji's Advent and Divine Message is

to

> completely ignore the conditioned and ignorant SYs and concentrate

> exclusively on new seekers. To ensure success all precaution must

be

> taken to protect newcomers from WCASY and their SYSSR. These

seekers

> must be amply warned beforehand so that they will not fall victim

to

> the fear, hysteria and ignorance of SY collectives which never

cease

> to shock me. That is why it does not matter to me if all the SYs of

> the world ignore or go against me and the websites and forum. If i

do

> not meet another SY for the rest of my life i will be at peace.

That

> would be a great blessing if by doing just that i am able to reach

> the rest of humanity and declare the Truth of Her Advent and

Message.

>

> All i want to do is to find ways and means to ensure all new

seekers

> are protected from the immense negativity that has gripped many SY

> collectives .......... and that is exactly what i intent to do from

> today. So SYs should stop telling me that the Truth will scare

people

> off because i know it scares them even more in the first place to

be

> honest, transparent and open about their deepest beliefs. i know

> there are millions of great souls out there who will have far more

> faith and courage than all the present SYs combined, and She will

> eventually triumph through them. Time is definitely on Her side.

>

> regards,

>

> jagbir

>

[Guest guest]

Jai Sri Mataji, When we introduce new comers to Sahaj yoga, its alright with them till the step of meditation. But after that most find it difficult to accept Sri mataji as adishakti or incarnation. And if they can't believe that how will they surreneder to her? Few days ago when I gave realization to a couple they immediately felt the cool breeze. I gave them few books to read.Shall we tell them about who sri mataji is at very first step? Preetijagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: , "rondosky" <rondosky wrote:>> Hi guys,> > I read somewhere that all we need to do is to spread the > adishakti.org website. Any advise as to how to orient a newcomer to > the website. There is like so much info that im afraid it will > scare a new person away. i think it is mere speculation that the Truth will scare people away. This is the usual excuse SYs have used for decades to justify lying to the public about Shri Mataji and what Sahaja Yoga is all about. A hypothetical situation would be disciples asking seekers to make freefurniture from Jesus since He is a good carpenter. Only after waiting for months for the furniture would they be told He is actually the Son of God i.e., sorry, the

free furniture was just a ploy to get them attracted to Jesus and His message.But did His disciples do that? No! Unlike SYs they risked their lives to promote the Truth about Jesus' Advent and Message.Did they believe the Truth will scare people away? No! Unlike SYs they believed that telling the Truth upfront and at all times will attract more followers.> n what abt a non religious person? how should we go abt spreading > the message? The Truth applies to all, irrespective of religious beliefs. Shri Mataji never bothered whether people will believe Her or not. Who are we to decide to whom, how and when the Truth will be delivered?> also im starting to have problems with meditating on Mother within. > feeling confused these days. i'm having this unsettling and > restless feeling which i can't shake off. something is missing.>i too am having a restless and uneasy time

for the last few days, ever since i was told that:"The main idea - Devi resides in Sahasrara, reach Her there. Russian and Ukranian councils said "the message to be negative, they told not to reach into Sahasrara, because it will break someone's subtle system. They ordered to remove everyone who bring the message on collective programme. It is possession".i am disturbed by the fear, hysteria and ignorance that council members project unto SYs. This mental disease is passed all around and will only make SYs all the more dreadful of meditating within. They will always project the senses and attention outside, and pass on this disease to all newcomers. There is no hope in sight as it is the council members who have become blind and deaf to the core teachings of Shri Mataji:“You know that I reside in the Sahasrara. I incarnated on the Lotus of 1000 Petals; that is why I could break it open also.”

Shri Mataji Nirmala DeviJump Into The Ocean Of LoveSahasrara Puja Sorento, Italy — May 6, 1989"But those who have got Realization will enter into the Kingdom of God. You have to enter into the Kingdom of God here, as I say, in the Seventh Chakra.”Shri Mataji Nirmala DeviThe New Age Has Started, Houston, USA — Oct. 6, 1981i have been doing little work the last few days. i am just trying to understand the immense negativity that has possessed WCASY and the SY leadership to act so - from hijacking Her will to getting henchmen like John Noyce to remove Wikipedia links to council members declaring that meditating on Shri Mataji within will break the subtle system. i have also realized that a number of SYs, despite years of footsoaking and treatments, are still unbalanced and fanatical.The only solution is to start with a clean slate i.e., nourish and nuture newcomers by shielding them from

Sahaja Yoga collectives, WCASY and their SYSSR. They must not be exposed to the fear, hysteria and ignorance of the vast majority of SYs. That is why a few posts ago i wrote:"There are two types of followers nowadays:- the vast majority who meditate on the external, physical ShriMataji and empower WCASY and their SYSSR;- the tiny but growing minority who meditate on the internal, eternalAdi Shakti and want to declare Her advent and message to all humanity.If by splitting into two you mean differentiating the followers ofWCASY and their SYSSR from the devotees of the Adi Shakti's Adventand Divine Message to humanity you are absolutely right. If by thatyou mean separating the chaff (liars, cowards and hypocrites) fromthe wheat (those with the conscience, dharma and nature of self-realized souls) then you are so right again. If by that you meanthings will get worse after Her Mahasamadhi you are correct

again.In the end either the WCASY and their SYSSR or the Adi Shakti and HerDivine Message will survive, not both. i am just giving advise as tohow to edge your bets on the future outcome of this struggle." (end)The only way to sustain Shri Mataji's Advent and Divine Message is to completely ignore the conditioned and ignorant SYs and concentrate exclusively on new seekers. To ensure success all precaution must be taken to protect newcomers from WCASY and their SYSSR. These seekers must be amply warned beforehand so that they will not fall victim to the fear, hysteria and ignorance of SY collectives which never cease to shock me. That is why it does not matter to me if all the SYs of the world ignore or go against me and the websites and forum. If i do not meet another SY for the rest of my life i will be at peace. That would be a great blessing if by doing just that i am able to reach the rest of humanity and

declare the Truth of Her Advent and Message.All i want to do is to find ways and means to ensure all new seekers are protected from the immense negativity that has gripped many SY collectives .......... and that is exactly what i intent to do from today. So SYs should stop telling me that the Truth will scare people off because i know it scares them even more in the first place to be honest, transparent and open about their deepest beliefs. i know there are millions of great souls out there who will have far more faith and courage than all the present SYs combined, and She will eventually triumph through them. Time is definitely on Her side.regards,jagbir

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, preetibala vasthava

<preetu551 wrote:

>

> Jai Sri Mataji,

>

> When we introduce new comers to Sahaj yoga, its alright with them

> till the step of meditation. But after that most find it difficult to

> accept Sri mataji as adishakti or incarnation. And if they can't

> believe that how will they surrender to her?

>

 

Dear Preeti,

 

It is obvious that any seeker will question why it is necessary to

meditate on Shri Mataji. After all, it was supposed to be about the

subtle system, good health etc. And if you are going to answer that She is the

Adi Shakti they will not believe. What evidence is there on the official

websites to prove that? 99.99% just go away and never return.

 

>

> Few days ago when I gave realization to a couple they immediately

> felt the cool breeze. I gave them few books to read. Shall we tell

> them about who sri mataji is at very first step?

>

 

You must tell them after Self-realization, especially if they have

felt the cool breeze. They must be given all the information too as

to why they are feeling the cool breeze i.e., facts based on the holy

scriptures. All this is available at http://adishakti.org/ In fact

there is a wealth of other related information at the site, now in

excess of 2000 pages. All this mountain of facts/evidence about Shri

Mataji will give newcomers the faith, confidence and grounding that

they are on the right path, and that it is not a blind faith. This

extremely important approach in entirely missing from Sahaja Yoga

public programs/websites.

 

As i said 99.99% of new seekers leave within weeks - many do google

" Sahaja Yoga " and are greeted with three or four anti-Sahaja Yoga

sites of Simon Montfort on the FIRST page. Just in case you do not

know this character i have a dossier on him at:

 

http://www.adishakti.org/simon_d_montford.htm

 

So after they read Simon's sites that is the last you see of them.

They think Shri Mataji is a fake guru and they have good reason to

believe so. After all, the official websites hardly have any proof of

Her divinity. So until and unless newcomers know about the

http://adishakti.org/ site this decades-old severe hemorrhage of

seekers will continue. You have nothing to lose because 99.99% are

sure to leave anyway after reading all the information about Sahaja

Yoga at the official sites, including any book/pamphlets given. The

only hope of reversing this quick exit trend is http://adishakti.org/

 

regards,

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

, preetibala vasthava

<preetu551 wrote:

 

" When we introduce new comers to Sahaj yoga, its alright with them till the step

of meditation. But after that most find it difficult to accept Sri mataji as

adishakti or incarnation. And if they can't believe that how will they

surreneder to her? Few days ago when I gave realization to a couple they

immediately felt the cool breeze. I gave them few books to read.Shall we tell

them about who sri mataji is at very first step? "

 

 

Dear Preeti,

 

Since Sahaja Yoga is promoted as a Meditation Group, then newcomers are

expecting to come, just to learn to meditate. They haven't been told to expect

anything more, like being told about the Holy Spirit Within, etc. Therefore,

they could be frightened off, since all they thought was going to happen, is

that they would learn to meditate.

 

That is why Shri Mataji said that a " really-well-thought-out-plan " was needed to

bring Her Identity, Mission, and Message to the

Seekers of the Truth. Those who just want to attend Meditation Classes, are not

necessarily Seekers of the Truth. They may just want to meditate to have a

healthy lifestyle, and this is the type of clientelle WCASY are catering for.

 

As far as promoting the Adi Shakti, WCASY are still 'pussy-footing around', and

i see no future promotion of the Adi Shakti happening. The only

'well-thought-out-plan' to introduce people to the Adi Shakti, is the one i see

at http://www.adishakti.org/ This site has only been there since the beginning

of the millennium, so it is there for your use now, and not before that time.

So, you can change your approach. You do not have to cater for those who just

want to learn to meditate, but you can introduce Shri Mataji as a Special

Personality on Day 1. It is quite easy to give the Seekers of the Truth the URL

to the abovementioned website, and tell them you are available to help in any

way you can, whether it is to meditate upon Her, to learn the subtle system

techniques, or to answer questions about the Adi Shakti, etc.

 

regards,

 

violet

 

 

 

> Jai Sri Mataji,

>

> When we introduce new comers to Sahaj yoga, its alright with

them

till the step of meditation. But after that most find it difficult

to

accept Sri mataji as adishakti or incarnation. And if they can't

believe that how will they surreneder to her?

> Few days ago when I gave realization to a couple they

immediately

felt the cool breeze. I gave them few books to read.Shall we tell

them about who sri mataji is at very first step?

>

> Preeti

>

> jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:

> , " rondosky "

> <rondosky@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > I read somewhere that all we need to do is to spread the

> > adishakti.org website. Any advise as to how to orient a newcomer

to

> > the website. There is like so much info that im afraid it will

> > scare a new person away.

>

> i think it is mere speculation that the Truth will scare people

away.

> This is the usual excuse SYs have used for decades to justify

lying

> to the public about Shri Mataji and what Sahaja Yoga is all about.

A

> hypothetical situation would be disciples asking seekers to make

free

> furniture from Jesus since He is a good carpenter. Only after

waiting

> for months for the furniture would they be told He is actually the

> Son of God i.e., sorry, the free furniture was just a ploy to get

> them attracted to Jesus and His message.

>

> But did His disciples do that? No! Unlike SYs they risked their

lives

> to promote the Truth about Jesus' Advent and Message.

>

> Did they believe the Truth will scare people away? No! Unlike SYs

> they believed that telling the Truth upfront and at all times will

> attract more followers.

>

> > n what abt a non religious person? how should we go abt

spreading

> > the message?

>

> The Truth applies to all, irrespective of religious beliefs. Shri

> Mataji never bothered whether people will believe Her or not. Who

are

> we to decide to whom, how and when the Truth will be delivered?

>

> > also im starting to have problems with meditating on Mother

within.

> > feeling confused these days. i'm having this unsettling and

> > restless feeling which i can't shake off. something is missing.

> >

>

> i too am having a restless and uneasy time for the last few days,

> ever since i was told that:

>

> " The main idea - Devi resides in Sahasrara, reach Her there.

Russian

> and Ukranian councils said " the message to be negative, they told

not

> to reach into Sahasrara, because it will break someone's subtle

> system. They ordered to remove everyone who bring the message on

> collective programme. It is possession " .

>

> i am disturbed by the fear, hysteria and ignorance that council

> members project unto SYs. This mental disease is passed all around

> and will only make SYs all the more dreadful of meditating within.

> They will always project the senses and attention outside, and

pass

> on this disease to all newcomers. There is no hope in sight as it

is

> the council members who have become blind and deaf to the core

> teachings of Shri Mataji:

>

> " You know that I reside in the Sahasrara. I incarnated on the

Lotus

> of 1000 Petals; that is why I could break it open also. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> Jump Into The Ocean Of Love

> Sahasrara Puja Sorento, Italy — May 6, 1989

>

> " But those who have got Realization will enter into the Kingdom of

> God. You have to enter into the Kingdom of God here, as I say, in

the

> Seventh Chakra. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> The New Age Has Started, Houston, USA — Oct. 6, 1981

>

> i have been doing little work the last few days. i am just trying

to

> understand the immense negativity that has possessed WCASY and the

SY

> leadership to act so - from hijacking Her will to getting henchmen

> like John Noyce to remove Wikipedia links to council members

> declaring that meditating on Shri Mataji within will break the

subtle

> system. i have also realized that a number of SYs, despite years

of

> footsoaking and treatments, are still unbalanced and fanatical.

>

> The only solution is to start with a clean slate i.e., nourish and

> nuture newcomers by shielding them from Sahaja Yoga collectives,

> WCASY and their SYSSR. They must not be exposed to the fear,

hysteria

> and ignorance of the vast majority of SYs. That is why a few posts

> ago i wrote:

>

> " There are two types of followers nowadays:

>

> - the vast majority who meditate on the external, physical Shri

> Mataji and empower WCASY and their SYSSR;

> - the tiny but growing minority who meditate on the internal,

eternal

> Adi Shakti and want to declare Her advent and message to all

humanity.

>

> If by splitting into two you mean differentiating the followers of

> WCASY and their SYSSR from the devotees of the Adi Shakti's Advent

> and Divine Message to humanity you are absolutely right. If by that

> you mean separating the chaff (liars, cowards and hypocrites) from

> the wheat (those with the conscience, dharma and nature of self-

> realized souls) then you are so right again. If by that you mean

> things will get worse after Her Mahasamadhi you are correct again.

>

> In the end either the WCASY and their SYSSR or the Adi Shakti and

Her

> Divine Message will survive, not both. i am just giving advise as

to

> how to edge your bets on the future outcome of this

struggle. " (end)

>

> The only way to sustain Shri Mataji's Advent and Divine Message is

to

> completely ignore the conditioned and ignorant SYs and concentrate

> exclusively on new seekers. To ensure success all precaution must

be

> taken to protect newcomers from WCASY and their SYSSR. These

seekers

> must be amply warned beforehand so that they will not fall victim

to

> the fear, hysteria and ignorance of SY collectives which never

cease

> to shock me. That is why it does not matter to me if all the SYs

of

> the world ignore or go against me and the websites and forum. If i

do

> not meet another SY for the rest of my life i will be at peace.

That

> would be a great blessing if by doing just that i am able to reach

> the rest of humanity and declare the Truth of Her Advent and

Message.

>

> All i want to do is to find ways and means to ensure all new

seekers

> are protected from the immense negativity that has gripped many SY

> collectives .......... and that is exactly what i intent to do

from

> today. So SYs should stop telling me that the Truth will scare

people

> off because i know it scares them even more in the first place to

be

> honest, transparent and open about their deepest beliefs. i know

> there are millions of great souls out there who will have far more

> faith and courage than all the present SYs combined, and She will

> eventually triumph through them. Time is definitely on Her side.

>

> regards,

>

> jagbir

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir,

Thank you very much for all your personal effort and courage that

you have put into the adishakti site.

I know that it is your very good intention to protect our Mother,

but I strongly feel that the webpage about Simon should be removed

from the adishakti site.

I think it is time that the bitterness and enmity between opposing

views be ended, and that Mother would be happy with this.

Love, Semira

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> , preetibala vasthava

> <preetu551@> wrote:

> >

> > Jai Sri Mataji,

> >

> > When we introduce new comers to Sahaj yoga, its alright with them

> > till the step of meditation. But after that most find it

difficult to

> > accept Sri mataji as adishakti or incarnation. And if they can't

> > believe that how will they surrender to her?

> >

>

> Dear Preeti,

>

> It is obvious that any seeker will question why it is necessary to

> meditate on Shri Mataji. After all, it was supposed to be about the

> subtle system, good health etc. And if you are going to answer

that She is the Adi Shakti they will not believe. What evidence is

there on the official websites to prove that? 99.99% just go away

and never return.

>

> >

> > Few days ago when I gave realization to a couple they immediately

> > felt the cool breeze. I gave them few books to read. Shall we

tell

> > them about who sri mataji is at very first step?

> >

>

> You must tell them after Self-realization, especially if they have

> felt the cool breeze. They must be given all the information too as

> to why they are feeling the cool breeze i.e., facts based on the

holy

> scriptures. All this is available at http://adishakti.org/ In fact

> there is a wealth of other related information at the site, now in

> excess of 2000 pages. All this mountain of facts/evidence about

Shri

> Mataji will give newcomers the faith, confidence and grounding that

> they are on the right path, and that it is not a blind faith. This

> extremely important approach in entirely missing from Sahaja Yoga

> public programs/websites.

>

> As i said 99.99% of new seekers leave within weeks - many do google

> " Sahaja Yoga " and are greeted with three or four anti-Sahaja Yoga

> sites of Simon Montfort on the FIRST page. Just in case you do not

> know this character i have a dossier on him at:

>

> http://www.adishakti.org/simon_d_montford.htm

>

> So after they read Simon's sites that is the last you see of them.

> They think Shri Mataji is a fake guru and they have good reason to

> believe so. After all, the official websites hardly have any proof

of

> Her divinity. So until and unless newcomers know about the

> http://adishakti.org/ site this decades-old severe hemorrhage of

> seekers will continue. You have nothing to lose because 99.99% are

> sure to leave anyway after reading all the information about Sahaja

> Yoga at the official sites, including any book/pamphlets given. The

> only hope of reversing this quick exit trend is

http://adishakti.org/

>

> regards,

>

> jagbir

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Semira,

 

i have no enemity or hatred towards anyone, including Simon. But i

will have to maintain the webpage as long as his webpages against

Shri Mataji exist. i don't see any reason to delete them yet.

 

regards,

 

 

jagbir

 

 

, " caraleen98 "

<caraleen98 wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir,

> Thank you very much for all your personal effort and courage that

> you have put into the adishakti site.

> I know that it is your very good intention to protect our Mother,

> but I strongly feel that the webpage about Simon should be removed

> from the adishakti site.

> I think it is time that the bitterness and enmity between opposing

> views be ended, and that Mother would be happy with this.

> Love, Semira

>

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > , preetibala vasthava

> > <preetu551@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Jai Sri Mataji,

> > >

> > > When we introduce new comers to Sahaj yoga, its alright with

them

> > > till the step of meditation. But after that most find it

> difficult to

> > > accept Sri mataji as adishakti or incarnation. And if they can't

> > > believe that how will they surrender to her?

> > >

> >

> > Dear Preeti,

> >

> > It is obvious that any seeker will question why it is necessary to

> > meditate on Shri Mataji. After all, it was supposed to be about

the

> > subtle system, good health etc. And if you are going to answer

> that She is the Adi Shakti they will not believe. What evidence is

> there on the official websites to prove that? 99.99% just go away

> and never return.

> >

> > >

> > > Few days ago when I gave realization to a couple they

immediately

> > > felt the cool breeze. I gave them few books to read. Shall we

> tell

> > > them about who sri mataji is at very first step?

> > >

> >

> > You must tell them after Self-realization, especially if they have

> > felt the cool breeze. They must be given all the information too

as

> > to why they are feeling the cool breeze i.e., facts based on the

> holy

> > scriptures. All this is available at http://adishakti.org/ In fact

> > there is a wealth of other related information at the site, now in

> > excess of 2000 pages. All this mountain of facts/evidence about

> Shri

> > Mataji will give newcomers the faith, confidence and grounding

that

> > they are on the right path, and that it is not a blind faith. This

> > extremely important approach in entirely missing from Sahaja Yoga

> > public programs/websites.

> >

> > As i said 99.99% of new seekers leave within weeks - many do

google

> > " Sahaja Yoga " and are greeted with three or four anti-Sahaja Yoga

> > sites of Simon Montfort on the FIRST page. Just in case you do not

> > know this character i have a dossier on him at:

> >

> > http://www.adishakti.org/simon_d_montford.htm

> >

> > So after they read Simon's sites that is the last you see of them.

> > They think Shri Mataji is a fake guru and they have good reason to

> > believe so. After all, the official websites hardly have any

proof

> of

> > Her divinity. So until and unless newcomers know about the

> > http://adishakti.org/ site this decades-old severe hemorrhage of

> > seekers will continue. You have nothing to lose because 99.99% are

> > sure to leave anyway after reading all the information about

Sahaja

> > Yoga at the official sites, including any book/pamphlets given.

The

> > only hope of reversing this quick exit trend is

> http://adishakti.org/

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > jagbir

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That helps. Thanks ,Jagbir and violet. Jai sri mataji.Violet <violet.tubb wrote: , preetibala vasthava <preetu551 wrote:"When we introduce new comers to Sahaj yoga, its alright with them till the step of meditation. But after that most find it difficult to accept Sri mataji as adishakti or incarnation. And if they can't believe that how will

they surreneder to her? Few days ago when I gave realization to a couple they immediately felt the cool breeze. I gave them few books to read.Shall we tell them about who sri mataji is at very first step?"Dear Preeti,Since Sahaja Yoga is promoted as a Meditation Group, then newcomers are expecting to come, just to learn to meditate. They haven't been told to expect anything more, like being told about the Holy Spirit Within, etc. Therefore, they could be frightened off, since all they thought was going to happen, is that they would learn to meditate.That is why Shri Mataji said that a "really-well-thought-out-plan" was needed to bring Her Identity, Mission, and Message to the Seekers of the Truth. Those who just want to attend Meditation Classes, are not necessarily Seekers of the Truth. They may just want to meditate to have a healthy lifestyle, and this is the type of clientelle WCASY are catering for. As far as promoting the

Adi Shakti, WCASY are still 'pussy-footing around', and i see no future promotion of the Adi Shakti happening. The only 'well-thought-out-plan' to introduce people to the Adi Shakti, is the one i see at http://www.adishakti.org/ This site has only been there since the beginning of the millennium, so it is there for your use now, and not before that time. So, you can change your approach. You do not have to cater for those who just want to learn to meditate, but you can introduce Shri Mataji as a Special Personality on Day 1. It is quite easy to give the Seekers of the Truth the URL to the abovementioned website, and tell them you are available to help in any way you can, whether it is to meditate upon Her, to learn the subtle system techniques, or to answer questions about the Adi Shakti, etc. regards,violet> Jai Sri Mataji, > > When we introduce new comers to Sahaj yoga, its alright

with them till the step of meditation. But after that most find it difficult to accept Sri mataji as adishakti or incarnation. And if they can't believe that how will they surreneder to her?> Few days ago when I gave realization to a couple they immediately felt the cool breeze. I gave them few books to read.Shall we tell them about who sri mataji is at very first step?> > Preeti> > jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:> , "rondosky" > <rondosky@> wrote:> >> > Hi guys,> > > > I read somewhere that all we need to do is to spread the > > adishakti.org website. Any advise as to how to orient a newcomer to > > the website. There is like so much info that im afraid it will > > scare a new

person away. > > i think it is mere speculation that the Truth will scare people away. > This is the usual excuse SYs have used for decades to justify lying > to the public about Shri Mataji and what Sahaja Yoga is all about. A > hypothetical situation would be disciples asking seekers to make free> furniture from Jesus since He is a good carpenter. Only after waiting > for months for the furniture would they be told He is actually the > Son of God i.e., sorry, the free furniture was just a ploy to get > them attracted to Jesus and His message.> > But did His disciples do that? No! Unlike SYs they risked their lives > to promote the Truth about Jesus' Advent and Message.> > Did they believe the Truth will scare people away? No! Unlike SYs > they believed that telling the Truth upfront and at all times will > attract more followers.>

> > n what abt a non religious person? how should we go abt spreading > > the message? > > The Truth applies to all, irrespective of religious beliefs. Shri > Mataji never bothered whether people will believe Her or not. Who are > we to decide to whom, how and when the Truth will be delivered?> > > also im starting to have problems with meditating on Mother within. > > feeling confused these days. i'm having this unsettling and > > restless feeling which i can't shake off. something is missing.> >> > i too am having a restless and uneasy time for the last few days, > ever since i was told that:> > "The main idea - Devi resides in Sahasrara, reach Her there. Russian > and Ukranian councils said "the message to be negative, they told not > to reach into Sahasrara, because it will break someone's subtle >

system. They ordered to remove everyone who bring the message on > collective programme. It is possession".> > i am disturbed by the fear, hysteria and ignorance that council > members project unto SYs. This mental disease is passed all around > and will only make SYs all the more dreadful of meditating within. > They will always project the senses and attention outside, and pass > on this disease to all newcomers. There is no hope in sight as it is > the council members who have become blind and deaf to the core > teachings of Shri Mataji:> > "You know that I reside in the Sahasrara. I incarnated on the Lotus > of 1000 Petals; that is why I could break it open also." > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi> Jump Into The Ocean Of Love> Sahasrara Puja Sorento, Italy — May 6, 1989> > "But those who have got Realization will enter into the Kingdom of

> God. You have to enter into the Kingdom of God here, as I say, in the > Seventh Chakra."> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi> The New Age Has Started, Houston, USA — Oct. 6, 1981> > i have been doing little work the last few days. i am just trying to > understand the immense negativity that has possessed WCASY and the SY > leadership to act so - from hijacking Her will to getting henchmen > like John Noyce to remove Wikipedia links to council members > declaring that meditating on Shri Mataji within will break the subtle > system. i have also realized that a number of SYs, despite years of > footsoaking and treatments, are still unbalanced and fanatical.> > The only solution is to start with a clean slate i.e., nourish and > nuture newcomers by shielding them from Sahaja Yoga collectives, > WCASY and their SYSSR. They must not be exposed to

the fear, hysteria > and ignorance of the vast majority of SYs. That is why a few posts > ago i wrote:> > "There are two types of followers nowadays:> > - the vast majority who meditate on the external, physical Shri> Mataji and empower WCASY and their SYSSR;> - the tiny but growing minority who meditate on the internal, eternal> Adi Shakti and want to declare Her advent and message to all humanity.> > If by splitting into two you mean differentiating the followers of> WCASY and their SYSSR from the devotees of the Adi Shakti's Advent> and Divine Message to humanity you are absolutely right. If by that> you mean separating the chaff (liars, cowards and hypocrites) from> the wheat (those with the conscience, dharma and nature of self-> realized souls) then you are so right again. If by that you mean> things will get worse after Her Mahasamadhi

you are correct again.> > In the end either the WCASY and their SYSSR or the Adi Shakti and Her> Divine Message will survive, not both. i am just giving advise as to> how to edge your bets on the future outcome of this struggle." (end)> > The only way to sustain Shri Mataji's Advent and Divine Message is to > completely ignore the conditioned and ignorant SYs and concentrate > exclusively on new seekers. To ensure success all precaution must be > taken to protect newcomers from WCASY and their SYSSR. These seekers > must be amply warned beforehand so that they will not fall victim to > the fear, hysteria and ignorance of SY collectives which never cease > to shock me. That is why it does not matter to me if all the SYs of > the world ignore or go against me and the websites and forum. If i do > not meet another SY for the rest of my life

i will be at peace. That > would be a great blessing if by doing just that i am able to reach > the rest of humanity and declare the Truth of Her Advent and Message.> > All i want to do is to find ways and means to ensure all new seekers > are protected from the immense negativity that has gripped many SY > collectives .......... and that is exactly what i intent to do from > today. So SYs should stop telling me that the Truth will scare people > off because i know it scares them even more in the first place to be > honest, transparent and open about their deepest beliefs. i know > there are millions of great souls out there who will have far more > faith and courage than all the present SYs combined, and She will > eventually triumph through them. Time is definitely on Her side.> > regards,> > jagbir> > > >

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