Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Dear All, In regards to those who want to have an organised religion, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi says that: " If we want to have an organised religion, you have to say 'this is the thing' there is nothing else. Because if there is anything else, then your organisation falls apart. But it is not true. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Delhi, India - 3 February, 1983) Shri Mataji is addressing followers of the Christian religion, but what She said, applies 'across the board'. In the appended excerpt from a talk on the Agnya Chakra [the chakra Christ Jesus opened], Shri Mataji explains that Christians need to read Devi Bhagvat, if they really want to understand Jesus Christ. violet To understand Jesus Christ, you must read Devi Bhagvat... by Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi: " So to understand Jesus Christ, you mst read Devi Bhagvat. But if you say this to Christians, they would not like to listen to you. Because for them, Bible is the last word. How can it be? Because Christ's life is depicted there only for four years. And He must have reference in other books also; and we have to open our eyes to those books and see for overselves what is the truth. Because if we want to have an organised religion, you have to say 'this is the thing,' there is nothing else. Because if there is anything else, then your organisation falls apart. But it is not true. Because Christ has been described 'very clearly' in Devi Bhagvat. And we can prove it in the Kundalini, that when the Kundalini rises and stops here, at the Agnya, here, you have to say Lord's prayer, otherwise, it would not open. To awaken Jesus Christ, if you do not awaken Him, it would not open. You have to take His name otherwise it would not open. [it] proves it was Christ who was ruling. Or even if you take the name of Mahavishnu, it opens. So Mahavishnu and Jesus Christ are the same. So you must see the 'proof' of it. And just because you [the Christians] want to believe that Christ is your own and discard every body else as heathens, you are sadly mistaken. Absolutely, you are sadly mistaken. In the Bible the mistake came when Saint Paul, who never knew Christ - he had nothing to do with Christ - just entered into the Bible. I don't know, why he is there! He was not a realised soul. He was just [a] supraconscious Roman soldier. Roman, very bad soldier, who used to kill so many Christians. And suddenly they entered this Mr. Saint Paul into it and he is accepted in the Bible all over the world. But you read him and you will know he is not a realised soul at all. He talks in a supraconscious way. He is an organising machine and he is good for nothing. There he describes, in the acts you see, which he has written - many people may not be knowing that " Acts " [in the Bible] has been written by Mr. Paul himself - and this Mr. Paul tries to describe the disciples of Christ as supraconscious bhoots, absolutely like supraconscious people and they behaved in such a funny manner that every body started feeling that they are mad. Can you imagine, Christ's disciples behaving like that! But you have to gulp it down and devour everything, if you are a Christian. Because it is in the Bible. And you start questioning if you are a born-realised person, that what is this non-sense, who is this Mr. Paul? From where does he come in? Because he does not talk like Christ. So the time has come for all of us to understand that all religions are " One " . They are part and parcel of one life stream and that all incarnations are supporting each other, nourishing each other and caring for each other. There is 'Complete' concord between them. There is 'no way', you will see they will oppose each other, 'never'. So this point is to be proved also and that can only be proved 'if you know how to raise the Kundalini. If you are a realised soul and if you can raise the Kundalini, you will be amazed to see that all these deities are placed on various Chakras, and they are to be raised. Now sometimes you see, I am blamed in India, that I am preaching about Christ, so I am spreading Christianity. And if I go to England, they say [that] I am preaching about Krishna, so I am spreading Hinduism. Now if I have to tell you that Radha ji has created Christ and if you see Christ, his fingers are like this. Try to understand. Two fingers like this. One of Krishna and one of Vishnu. And he says 'the Father'. And who is the Father of Christ, then? [it] is Shri Vishnu: Shri Krishna. Because in Mahavishnu's description, it is: Shri Krishna Himself, worshipped His son and said... " you will be the support of the Universe, and whosoever will ever worship me, the fruits of that will go to you " ... and He [Krishna] placed Him [Christ Jesus] even higher than Himself. And that you can see that above the Vishuddhi Chakra, stands Mahavishnu. And He is the gate through which everybody has to pass. He [shri Krishna] 'actually' blessed Him [shri Jesus] special and He said " you [Christ Jesus] will be the support of the universe. " See now, you have known that Shri Ganesha stays at Mooladhara Chakra. Mooladhara Chakra means the support of the Moola, support of the roots. But Christ is placed at the support of the fruit, so the same thing evolves at that point, that you become aware of Christ only when your agnya Chakra opens. (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk on Agnya Chakra - Delhi, India - 3 February, 1983) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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