Humans often decide to worship the message, rather than heed it...

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Dear All,

 

i read these comments on another forum, and i thought there was a lot of truth

spoken in these words, which i will therefore share with you:

 

" We humans decided to worship the message rather than heed it. And the message

you get from whichever religion isn't necessarily the same message that was

given by the messenger. Some evil people realized the power of religion to

control others en masse. Changing the original message to more suit their whims

certainly works wonders (not that it's wonderful, mind, but the effect is

profound). You have a problem with a lot of organized religion because you

" should " have a problem with it. It's been perverted from the original message. "

 

Folks, this brings to mind the directive by WCASY et al that 'All you have to do

is give self-realistion'. It seems to me that this directive is being

'worshipped', rather than heeding what the messenger said, which is:

 

" Tell all the nations and tell all the people all over the Great

Message that the Time of Resurrection is here. Now! At this time, and

that you are capable of doing it. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi)

 

All i can say is that 'changing the message of the messenger, sure changes how

evil people can realise the power of religion to control others en masse!'.

 

violet

[Guest guest]

,

" Violet " <violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> i read these comments on another forum, and i thought there was a

lot of truth spoken in these words, which i will therefore share with

you:

>

> " We humans decided to worship the message rather than heed it. And

the message you get from whichever religion isn't necessarily the

same message that was given by the messenger. Some evil people

realized the power of religion to control others en masse. Changing

the original message to more suit their whims certainly works wonders

(not that it's wonderful, mind, but the effect is profound). You have

a problem with a lot of organized religion because you " should " have

a problem with it. It's been perverted from the original message. "

>

> Folks, this brings to mind the directive by WCASY et al that 'All

you have to do is give self-realisation'. It seems to me that this

directive is being 'worshipped', rather than heeding what the

messenger said, which is:

>

> " Tell all the nations and tell all the people all over the Great

> Message that the Time of Resurrection is here. Now! At this time,

and

> that you are capable of doing it. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi)

>

> All i can say is that 'changing the message of the messenger, sure

changes how evil people can realise the power of religion to control

others en masse!'.

>

> violet

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

i received this private email from Furat:

 

 

Dear aunty,

 

My name is Furat. I love all your posts at Jagbir's group since

years now, i would

say...

 

I'm sure Mother brought you there to try to give the group some

balance.

 

U are great! But i simply do not agree with the two of you - that

man

has simply too much spare time on his hands: What on earth or in

heaven could be more important than giving Self-Realisation?!

 

Anything else - is just a joke...

 

 

I think if that was really Mother's main message, as Jag keeps

presenting it as if it were... we would have heard Her mention it a

more often, - like in every seventh speech, for example.. etc.

 

 

Jai Shri Mataji!

 

 

f

 

--

 

Here is my answer to you, Furat. Your remarks come first, with mine straight

after in square brackets:

 

 

" My name is Furat. I love all your posts at Jagbir's group since

years now, i would say... I'm sure Mother brought you there to try to give the

group some balance. U are great! "

 

[Thanks for the compliment. i am glad you like the posts, Furat. The group had

balance before, but the 'feminine touch' is probably what you are referring to,

which probably was not there to that extent, before.]

 

 

" But i simply do not agree with the two of you "

 

[That is okay. Nobody forces you to agree, Furat. It might help, if you simply

state what it is that you do not agree about, and which obviously bothers you.

Maybe, we can come to some mutual understanding, if we communicate about it.]

 

 

" that man has simply too much spare time on his hands:

 

[i have to tell you, that i find it insulting, that you will call my brother

Jagbir, as 'that man', as if you dislike him so extremely, that you cannot even

mention Jagbir by his own name. Why do you dislike a 'man of God' that does his

utmost for Shri Mataji, the Adi Shakti? Jagbir, in fact, works 'day and night'

to get Her Message out. Perhaps, you are not so busy. The Time of this Last

Judgment and Resurrection is much better spent, in helping and supporting people

like Jagbir, in getting Her Message out, rather than in criticism.]

 

 

" What on earth or in heaven could be more important than giving

Self-Realisation?! "

 

[What on earth, or heaven, could be more important, than giving

Self-Realisation? That would be explaining what is the reason for the

self-realisation, in the first place. If a person does not realise the value of

the 'pearl of greatest price' (which is what the ability to have your

self-realisation is), then they will not realise the value of their

self-realisation either. That is why at each Public Program, that Shri Mataji

explained things, in terms of Christ, Buddha, Mohammed, Lao Tse, and others.]

 

 

" Anything else - is just a joke... "

 

[Could you please be more specific Furat. What particular teachings of Shri

Mataji, are you saying " is just a joke " ?]

 

 

" I think if that was really Mother's main message, as Jag[bir] keeps

presenting it as if it were... we would have heard Her mention it a

more often, - like in every seventh speech, for example.. etc. "

 

 

[shri Mataji's Message, is the continuing Message of Shri Jesus Message of the

Last Judgement and Resurrection. Shri Mataji has come to awaken the kundalini

energy in us, in all of mankind. We are expected to give people the Hope of

their Salvation, explaining to them first, and then being catalysts for their

self-realisation. In Her Public Programs, Shri Mataji always explained about

what Self-Realisation means first, and then She would give the self-realisation.

That is the best way to do it, like Shri Mataji did it. Of course, there are

people, who cannot approach it that way, because they do not know how, so they

just say it is a meditation and clearing system. However, we do it the way Shri

Mataji set the example.]

 

regards,

 

violet

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, " Violet " <violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> i read these comments on another forum, and i thought there was a

> lot of truth spoken in these words, which i will therefore share

> with you:

>

> " We humans decided to worship the message rather than heed it. And

> the message you get from whichever religion isn't necessarily the

> same message that was given by the messenger. Some evil people

> realized the power of religion to control others en masse. Changing

> the original message to more suit their whims certainly works

> wonders (not that it's wonderful, mind, but the effect is

> profound). You have a problem with a lot of organized religion

> because you " should " have a problem with it. It's been perverted

> from the original message. "

>

>

> Folks, this brings to mind the directive by WCASY et al that 'All

> you have to do is give self-realistion'. It seems to me that this

> directive is being 'worshipped', rather than heeding what the

> messenger said, which is:

>

> " Tell all the nations and tell all the people all over the Great

> Message that the Time of Resurrection is here. Now! At this time,

> and that you are capable of doing it. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi)

>

> All i can say is that 'changing the message of the messenger, sure

> changes how evil people can realise the power of religion to

> control others en masse!'.

>

> violet

>

 

There is no question that " changing the message of the messenger,

sure changes how evil people can realise the power of religion to

control others en masse! " :

 

" It is just for money and power are some people who are trying to

mislead others, keeping them away from Resurrection. I must say they

are committing the greatest sin against the Holy Ghost. "

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Public Program, Brussels, Belgium, July 1, 1993

 

We must never forget the above quote of Shri Mataji to realize that

at all times it was the SY leadership and SYs themselves who are

trying to mislead others, keeping them away from Resurrection. They

have been doing so for decades. Only last year did some Middle-east

Muslims nations join them by blocking http://adishakti.org and

http://al-qiyamah.org webpages related to Qiyamah.

 

The latest is WCASY's watchdog John Noyce trying his best to prevent

Wikipedia " Sahaja Yoga " from having links to www.adishakti.org. This

dubious effort fits perfectly with the fact that it is for " power are

some people who are trying to mislead others, keeping them away from

Resurrection. " WCASY and SYs want their overwhelmingly Hindu subtle

system, mantras and cleansing rituals to be the foundation of Sahaja

Yoga with no mention whatsoever of the Last Judgment of the Bible or

Al-Qiyamah of the Qur'an. They rather worship the subtle system

message than heed Shri Mataji's plea to openly declare the Divine

Message to all humanity. Changing the original message to more suit

their whims has certainly worked wonders for the SY leadership and

those followers who empower them.

 

What really leaves me speechless is that it is unprecedented that the

original message was changed while the Messenger was alive. It is

happening for the first time ever, a stark testimony of the power of

satanic negativity to almost overcome God's plan for humanity. i

say " almost " because the SY leadership, WCASY and their followers

almost succeeded i.e., this 'success' is only limited to SYs within

the organization. That was in the mid-90s and the internet was in its

infancy. However today they are powerless and the internet is a

fantastic tool to reach outsiders i.e., the remaining 99.99% of

humanity who never heard of Shri Mataji or Her Divine Message. The

Adi Shakti has made sure that Her message would not be edited out by

those in power.

 

So a reminder to WCASY and the SY leadership who are committing the

greatest sin against the Holy Ghost by preventing people from finding

out about the Resurrection:

 

> All i can say is that 'changing the message of the messenger, sure

> changes how evil people can realise the power of religion to

> control others en masse!'.

 

But you all can only control those within the organization to toe the

official line. That is all you have control over. Hardly any outsider

is interested in your Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion - your empty

post-public program follow-ups bear testimony to this well-known

fact. There is no way any of you will be able to realise the power of

the SYSSR to control outsiders! The Adi Shakti made sure of that and

you know it too ... or should know about it sooner or later. As i keep

saying - time is on our side. You all will realize that too sooner or

later. For how much longer can outsiders be prevented from knowing

about those committing the greatest sin against the Holy Ghost " ?

 

 

regards to all,

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

 

What really leaves me speechless is that it is unprecedented that the

original message was changed while the Messenger was alive. It is

happening for the first time ever, a stark testimony of the power of

satanic negativity to almost overcome God's plan for humanity. i

say " almost " because the SY leadership, WCASY and their followers

almost succeeded i.e., this 'success' is only limited to SYs within

the organization. That was in the mid-90s and the internet was in its

infancy. However today they are powerless and the internet is a

fantastic tool to reach outsiders i.e., the remaining 99.99% of

humanity who never heard of Shri Mataji or Her Divine Message. The

Adi Shakti has made sure that Her message would not be edited out by

those in power.

 

 

 

Dear Jagbir and All,

 

It leaves me speechless too regarding what WCASY and SYs have done, about the

Messenger's Resurrection Message, even while She is still alive. Of course, as

you also know, She knew what they were doing, and that is why She said:

 

" It is just for money and power are some people who are trying to

> mislead others, keeping them away from Resurrection. I must say they

> are committing the greatest sin against the Holy Ghost. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> Public Program, Brussels, Belgium, July 1, 1993

 

It just dawned on me, that the Resurrection Message, does not give money and

power, and never can. Maybe, that is the real reason it is being 'edited out',

as useless to those who are after power and money. The Resurrection Message, in

fact, goes against power and money. It has an inbuilt factor, that is Spiritual

Liberation from those who want to have power and money.

 

Which is why Her Message, was almost finished, if it had not been for Her ganas

(devotees) who have persisted, and who have given Her Message, from outside Her

Organisation. Of course, She predicted that also, that Her Message of the

Resurrection, would be given from outside the Organisation She created, if those

who were in it, were " not up to it " . They are not up to it, because it does not

give them any advantages, which is obviously, what they are after.

 

That is why i must have had a daytime visit in a daytime reverie, when Shri

Mataji came to me, and anxiously asked me, not to forsake Her Message, Her

eschatological message. i agreed, i would promote Her and it. Not long after

that, i came to adishakti.org, and i was just amazed, at what i read there, and

the evidence, and the accusations, of dereliction of duty. Then i knew for sure,

what was happening. It was confirmation, of what i already suspected, that the

Organisation had forsaken the Main Message of the Messenger, the continuing

Message of Christ, the Resurrection Message.

 

i then realised that what i had sensed, which was that the SY Organisation, was

growing awfully 'top-heavy' ( " too big for their boots " ) was the truth. The

balance was being lost, along with the spontaneity of the Holy Spirit and the

spiritual vibrations surrounding (Paramchaitanya). What happens, when

organisational activities come in the way of the Paramachaitanys? Exactly! That

is my point. The Paramchaitanya does not act according to the wishes of any

elite persons, who claim themselves so! The Paramchaitanya only works for those,

who do not claim any 'eliteness' to Her Power.

 

And that is why you just cannot be 'top-heavy' in any spiritual movement. It

must be balanced all around. No leader can remain leader, thinking he is too

special.... more special than others, and that he can tell other devotees of the

Holy Spirit, what to do, regarding their relationship with the Divine Within

themselves.

 

The Kingdom of God works in such a way that, only those who 'lose their life'

(their ego and conditionings) find the Kingdom of God Within. Those who try and

save their life (by enhancing themselves in front of others, and making a show

of how great they are, and dominating others), cannot enter the Kingdom of God,

because a pre-requisite of entering the Narrow Gate of Agnya, that Christ talked

about, is to leave the ego behind. No ego can enter the Kingdom of God. It is

only the Spirit, Higher Self, (sans ego).... that can do so.

 

But, i doubt i will ever get over how much confidence i had in the organisation

of SY, because it was Shri Mataji's Organisation, and that is why i really

believed that nothing could go wrong in Her Organisation, even though She gave

many warnings and admonitions, to the contrary. But, i have grown up spiritually

since then, realising, just as She warned, that the priestly class are with us

again. And that is why Her Message of the Resurrection, has been squeezed out of

Her Own Organisation!!!

 

Interestingly enough, there is no advantage in the Resurrection Message, for

those who are only after power and money. The only advantage of the Resurrection

Message, is for Spiritual Liberation en masse, which when you think of it, makes

the 'editing out' of the Resurrection Message, that much more significant. It

really does tie in with Shri Mataji's association of 'power and money' and the

'editing out' of the Resurrection Message. The Resurrection Messae, also nulls

and voids the power of the priestly classes, which is another significant thing.

 

So, Her devotees, who cannot abide the editing out of Her Resurrection Message,

have much to be thankful for, as the Holy Spirit has made the Way for Her

Message to go out. She is victorious; no doubt about it! No body can or is able

to prevent Her Message, as they also tried to stop Shri Jesus Message. This

Time, She has come with Her Full Powers. Who will stand against the Full Powers

of the Holy Ghost? No one! Those that stand against Her Powers, will themselves,

be finished. You cannot stand against Her Mission, Message, and Identity, and

expect at this Last Judgment and Resurrection Time, to remain unscathed by such

negligence to the Wishes and Desires of the Holy Spirit Incarnate, the Christian

Comforter's Message to the comfortless, who are awaiting Her Comfort.

 

Jai Shri Mataji!

 

violet

 

 

 

,

" Violet " <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > i read these comments on another forum, and i thought there was a

> > lot of truth spoken in these words, which i will therefore share

> > with you:

> >

> > " We humans decided to worship the message rather than heed it. And

> > the message you get from whichever religion isn't necessarily the

> > same message that was given by the messenger. Some evil people

> > realized the power of religion to control others en masse.

Changing

> > the original message to more suit their whims certainly works

> > wonders (not that it's wonderful, mind, but the effect is

> > profound). You have a problem with a lot of organized religion

> > because you " should " have a problem with it. It's been perverted

> > from the original message. "

> >

> >

> > Folks, this brings to mind the directive by WCASY et al that 'All

> > you have to do is give self-realistion'. It seems to me that this

> > directive is being 'worshipped', rather than heeding what the

> > messenger said, which is:

> >

> > " Tell all the nations and tell all the people all over the Great

> > Message that the Time of Resurrection is here. Now! At this time,

> > and that you are capable of doing it. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi)

> >

> > All i can say is that 'changing the message of the messenger, sure

> > changes how evil people can realise the power of religion to

> > control others en masse!'.

> >

> > violet

> >

>

> There is no question that " changing the message of the messenger,

> sure changes how evil people can realise the power of religion to

> control others en masse! " :

>

> " It is just for money and power are some people who are trying to

> mislead others, keeping them away from Resurrection. I must say they

> are committing the greatest sin against the Holy Ghost. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> Public Program, Brussels, Belgium, July 1, 1993

>

> We must never forget the above quote of Shri Mataji to realize that

> at all times it was the SY leadership and SYs themselves who are

> trying to mislead others, keeping them away from Resurrection. They

> have been doing so for decades. Only last year did some Middle-east

> Muslims nations join them by blocking http://adishakti.org and

> http://al-qiyamah.org webpages related to Qiyamah.

>

> The latest is WCASY's watchdog John Noyce trying his best to prevent

> Wikipedia " Sahaja Yoga " from having links to www.adishakti.org. This

> dubious effort fits perfectly with the fact that it is for " power

are

> some people who are trying to mislead others, keeping them away from

> Resurrection. " WCASY and SYs want their overwhelmingly Hindu subtle

> system, mantras and cleansing rituals to be the foundation of Sahaja

> Yoga with no mention whatsoever of the Last Judgment of the Bible or

> Al-Qiyamah of the Qur'an. They rather worship the subtle system

> message than heed Shri Mataji's plea to openly declare the Divine

> Message to all humanity. Changing the original message to more suit

> their whims has certainly worked wonders for the SY leadership and

> those followers who empower them.

>

> What really leaves me speechless is that it is unprecedented that

the

> original message was changed while the Messenger was alive. It is

> happening for the first time ever, a stark testimony of the power of

> satanic negativity to almost overcome God's plan for humanity. i

> say " almost " because the SY leadership, WCASY and their followers

> almost succeeded i.e., this 'success' is only limited to SYs within

> the organization. That was in the mid-90s and the internet was in

its

> infancy. However today they are powerless and the internet is a

> fantastic tool to reach outsiders i.e., the remaining 99.99% of

> humanity who never heard of Shri Mataji or Her Divine Message. The

> Adi Shakti has made sure that Her message would not be edited out by

> those in power.

>

> So a reminder to WCASY and the SY leadership who are committing the

> greatest sin against the Holy Ghost by preventing people from

finding

> out about the Resurrection:

>

> > All i can say is that 'changing the message of the messenger, sure

> > changes how evil people can realise the power of religion to

> > control others en masse!'.

>

> But you all can only control those within the organization to toe

the

> official line. That is all you have control over. Hardly any

outsider

> is interested in your Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion - your

empty

> post-public program follow-ups bear testimony to this well-known

> fact. There is no way any of you will be able to realise the power

of

> the SYSSR to control outsiders! The Adi Shakti made sure of that and

> you know it too ... or should know about it sooner or later. As i

keep

> saying - time is on our side. You all will realize that too sooner

or

> later. For how much longer can outsiders be prevented from knowing

> about those committing the greatest sin against the Holy Ghost " ?

>

>

> regards to all,

>

> jagbir

>