Idol worship: The whole world is busy in such false performances

[Guest guest]

" I do not want to be argumentative but if scrutinized closely, one

would find that almost all religions -- including those who abhor

idol worship -- do worship idols in one form or the other, specially

if idols are regarded as symbols. Christian churches are adorned with

the statues and images of Jesus and Virgin Mary. Reverence to the

Stone at Kaaba is an integral part of annual Haj pilgrimage of Islam.

Praying facing Mecca is also a kind of Idol worship. God is

everywhere, then why face Mecca?

 

The problems and conflicts among different religions do not accrue

because they worship God by different names and in different manner.

The problems arise when one religion calls religion and Gods of other

religions false and urges its followers to kill those who do not

believe in their version or concept of God.

 

It is the blatant hatred that some religions preach against others. "

 

Vinod Kumar

www.vinodkumar.voiceofdharma.com/articles/idolworship.htm

 

 

While worshipping stones some people are bowing before them and some

others are withholding idols of stones in their necks. Some people

have faith that God is in the south while others consider God, is

toward the west and they are bowing their heads in those directions.

Some people are worshiping idols foolishly while others are adoring

the dead. The whole world is busy in such false performances without

knowing the secret mystery of God.

 

(Akal Ustat, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

 

 

Within the home of his own self, he does not even come to see his

Lord and Master. And yet, around his neck, he hangs a stone god.

||1|| The faithless cynic wanders around, deluded by doubt. He churns

water, and after wasting his life away, he dies. ||1||Pause|| That

stone, which he calls his god, that stone pulls him down and drowns

him. ||2|| O sinner, you are untrue to your own self; a boat of stone

will not carry you across. ||3|| Meeting the Guru, O Nanak, I know my

Lord and Master. The Perfect Architect of Destiny is pervading and

permeating the water, the land and the sky. ||4||3||9||

 

(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang, 739)

 

 

The Hindus have forgotten the Primal Lord; they are going the wrong

way. As Naarad instructed them, they are worshipping idols. They are

blind and mute, the blindest of the blind. The ignorant fools pick up

stones and worship them. But when those stones themselves sink, who

will carry you across? ||2||

 

(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang, 556)

 

 

Their service is useless. Those who fall at the feet of a stone god

their work is wasted in vain. ||1|| My Lord and Master speaks

forever. God gives His gifts to all living beings. ||1||Pause|| The

Divine Lord is within the self, but the spiritually blind one does

not know this. Deluded by doubt, he is caught in the noose. The stone

does not speak; it does not give anything to anyone. Such religious

rituals are useless; such service is fruitless. ||2||

 

(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang, 1160)

 

 

In your home is the Lord God, along with all your other gods. You

wash your stone gods and worship them. You offer saffron, sandalwood

and flowers. Falling at their feet, you try so hard to appease them.

Begging, begging from other people, you get things to wear and eat.

For your blind deeds, you will be blindly punished.

 

(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang, 1240)

 

 

So what if you worshipped statues, monuments or pictures? Worshiping

these, your soul has been tired (meaning you are close to death) but

you have not found anything. You donate rice rice, you burn joss-

stick, wick lamps or Franklin-cense, you burn oil lamps and perform

many other rituals but that statue does not get you anything because

it has not life. Hey idiot! What do you get out of performing these

rituals? What can a stone give you? If this stone had life, then it

would have been able to give you something. Think this over and start

reciting God's praises, then you will know the right path and you

will know that without God, you cannot get away from this cycle of

birth and death.

 

(Shabad Hazaray, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

 

 

O foolish beast! You do not recognize Him, Whose Glory hath spread

over all the three worlds. You worship the creatures of God, on

account of which your future (in the yond) is lost. For self interest

you do such sin that even then great sin is ashamed of that. O

ignorant, fall at the feet of the Lord. God does not reside in these

stones.

 

(Bachittar Natak, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

 

 

Why do you worship stones? The Lord-God is not within those stones;

you may only worship Him, whose adoration destroys clusters of sins;

with the remembrance on the Name of the Lord, the ties of all

suffering are removed; ever mediate on that Lord because the hollow

religious will not bear any fruit.

 

(33 Swayeas, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

[Guest guest]

Dear all,

 

Just cruious as to what is said in this particular post relates to

Sahaja Yoga as it is now; specifically pujas( when Shri Mataji isn't

physically present so thus to her pictures), namaskar to the pictures

and the alter and speaking to the pictureand alter of Shri Mataji in

guiding meditation and in puja. How does that work or relate to this

post?

 

Thanks

 

Kyyan

 

, " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org

wrote:

>

> " I do not want to be argumentative but if scrutinized closely, one

> would find that almost all religions -- including those who abhor

> idol worship -- do worship idols in one form or the other, specially

> if idols are regarded as symbols. Christian churches are adorned with

> the statues and images of Jesus and Virgin Mary. Reverence to the

> Stone at Kaaba is an integral part of annual Haj pilgrimage of Islam.

> Praying facing Mecca is also a kind of Idol worship. God is

> everywhere, then why face Mecca?

>

> The problems and conflicts among different religions do not accrue

> because they worship God by different names and in different manner.

> The problems arise when one religion calls religion and Gods of other

> religions false and urges its followers to kill those who do not

> believe in their version or concept of God.

>

> It is the blatant hatred that some religions preach against others. "

>

> Vinod Kumar

> www.vinodkumar.voiceofdharma.com/articles/idolworship.htm

>

>

> While worshipping stones some people are bowing before them and some

> others are withholding idols of stones in their necks. Some people

> have faith that God is in the south while others consider God, is

> toward the west and they are bowing their heads in those directions.

> Some people are worshiping idols foolishly while others are adoring

> the dead. The whole world is busy in such false performances without

> knowing the secret mystery of God.

>

> (Akal Ustat, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

>

>

> Within the home of his own self, he does not even come to see his

> Lord and Master. And yet, around his neck, he hangs a stone god.

> ||1|| The faithless cynic wanders around, deluded by doubt. He churns

> water, and after wasting his life away, he dies. ||1||Pause|| That

> stone, which he calls his god, that stone pulls him down and drowns

> him. ||2|| O sinner, you are untrue to your own self; a boat of stone

> will not carry you across. ||3|| Meeting the Guru, O Nanak, I know my

> Lord and Master. The Perfect Architect of Destiny is pervading and

> permeating the water, the land and the sky. ||4||3||9||

>

> (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang, 739)

>

>

> The Hindus have forgotten the Primal Lord; they are going the wrong

> way. As Naarad instructed them, they are worshipping idols. They are

> blind and mute, the blindest of the blind. The ignorant fools pick up

> stones and worship them. But when those stones themselves sink, who

> will carry you across? ||2||

>

> (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang, 556)

>

>

> Their service is useless. Those who fall at the feet of a stone god

> their work is wasted in vain. ||1|| My Lord and Master speaks

> forever. God gives His gifts to all living beings. ||1||Pause|| The

> Divine Lord is within the self, but the spiritually blind one does

> not know this. Deluded by doubt, he is caught in the noose. The stone

> does not speak; it does not give anything to anyone. Such religious

> rituals are useless; such service is fruitless. ||2||

>

> (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang, 1160)

>

>

> In your home is the Lord God, along with all your other gods. You

> wash your stone gods and worship them. You offer saffron, sandalwood

> and flowers. Falling at their feet, you try so hard to appease them.

> Begging, begging from other people, you get things to wear and eat.

> For your blind deeds, you will be blindly punished.

>

> (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang, 1240)

>

>

> So what if you worshipped statues, monuments or pictures? Worshiping

> these, your soul has been tired (meaning you are close to death) but

> you have not found anything. You donate rice rice, you burn joss-

> stick, wick lamps or Franklin-cense, you burn oil lamps and perform

> many other rituals but that statue does not get you anything because

> it has not life. Hey idiot! What do you get out of performing these

> rituals? What can a stone give you? If this stone had life, then it

> would have been able to give you something. Think this over and start

> reciting God's praises, then you will know the right path and you

> will know that without God, you cannot get away from this cycle of

> birth and death.

>

> (Shabad Hazaray, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

>

>

> O foolish beast! You do not recognize Him, Whose Glory hath spread

> over all the three worlds. You worship the creatures of God, on

> account of which your future (in the yond) is lost. For self interest

> you do such sin that even then great sin is ashamed of that. O

> ignorant, fall at the feet of the Lord. God does not reside in these

> stones.

>

> (Bachittar Natak, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

>

>

> Why do you worship stones? The Lord-God is not within those stones;

> you may only worship Him, whose adoration destroys clusters of sins;

> with the remembrance on the Name of the Lord, the ties of all

> suffering are removed; ever mediate on that Lord because the hollow

> religious will not bear any fruit.

>

> (33 Swayeas, Guru Gobind Singh Ji)

>

[Guest guest]

, " v_koa " <v_koa

wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> Just cruious as to what is said in this particular post relates to

> Sahaja Yoga as it is now; specifically pujas( when Shri Mataji isn't

> physically present so thus to her pictures), namaskar to the

> pictures and the alter and speaking to the picture and altar of Shri

> Mataji in guiding meditation and in puja. How does that work or

> relate to this post?

>

> Thanks

>

> Kyyan

>

 

Dear Kyyan et al,

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the incarnation of the Divine Feminine

entrenched in all scriptures - His Shakti/Holy Spirit/Ruh/Aykaa Mayee

etc. - and residing in you too. His Shakti is your Self and mine too,

the Cosmic Soul. i also was doing all types of external worship till

the realization came that She is the creative aspect of Brahman/God

Almighty/Allah/Waheguru, both within and without, one and the same

with Him. Just as there is no difference between the sun and its

creative aspect, sunlight, so is there no difference between God and

His Shakti. God exists within me as The Light, which is always above

His Shakti.

 

If all is within what is the need for any external worship and

rituals? Why meditate on an external image when you can meditate on

the Divine within? And what will SYs do when Shri Mataji leaves? For

how long will they bow and meditate on an external object,

notwithstanding Her image having tremendous vibrations?

 

It is very difficult for the conditioned mind to worship, pray and

meditate on the formless. It is even more difficult to believe and to

worship, pray and meditate on the formless within. The majority, SYs

included, want some form of external image (idol) to satisfy their

senses and faith. Even shaktas (shakti worshippers) and their tantra

gurus, despite years of devotion to the Sri Lalita Sahasranama, still

cling fanatically to external idols and mandalas. What is the Maya

that blinds them so century after century despite Her clear and

explicit esoteric names and nature?

 

So how do we solve the problem? Just start withdrawing your senses

within. i too have pictures of Shri Mataji at home which i will keep

for the rest of my life. It is just that i want to stop worshipping

Her external incarnation and merge with Her inner reality. Those who

do not do so sooner or later, will ultimately surrender to this Truth

......... it may take 1,000,000 rebirths but in the end this reality

will be realized. Any one may meditate on Her at any time or place

without any external image/ritual whatsoever. Shri Mataji Herself has

told us that She is within, the reality is within, everyting is

within and that is nothing to look outside. Why can't SYs understand

such simple words? (But they will always have their own explanations

and reasons for not following what She has preached.)

 

regards to all,

 

jagbir

 

 

> , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org@>

> wrote:

> >

> > " I do not want to be argumentative but if scrutinized closely, one

> > would find that almost all religions -- including those who abhor

> > idol worship -- do worship idols in one form or the other,

specially

> > if idols are regarded as symbols. Christian churches are adorned

with

> > the statues and images of Jesus and Virgin Mary. Reverence to the

> > Stone at Kaaba is an integral part of annual Haj pilgrimage of

Islam.

> > Praying facing Mecca is also a kind of Idol worship. God is

> > everywhere, then why face Mecca?

> >

> > The problems and conflicts among different religions do not accrue

> > because they worship God by different names and in different

manner.

> > The problems arise when one religion calls religion and Gods of

other

> > religions false and urges its followers to kill those who do not

> > believe in their version or concept of God.

> >

> > It is the blatant hatred that some religions preach against

others. "

> >

> > Vinod Kumar

> > www.vinodkumar.voiceofdharma.com/articles/idolworship.htm

> >