WCASY.... Sahaj Vidya are definitely part of Sahaja Yoga!!!

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" WCASY'.... Sahaj Vidya are definitely Sahaja Yoga!!! "

 

Dear Jagbir and All,

 

When i looked at the bottom of the page of

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahaja_Yoga) i found that the site of 'Sahaj

Vidya' had joined the ranks of 'Other Sites' of Sahaja Yoga, and 'Sahaj Vidya'

is described as 'Unofficial, Devotional Site, Unofficial Compilations and

Interpretations'. This surprised me, as 'Sahaj Vidya' is solely based upon the

videotape recordings of Shri Mataji and 'written in the English way'. Sahaj

Vidya clearly explain that " in all cases, the essential text remains unchanged " :

 

http://www.sahajvidya.org/SahajVidya/SahajVidya_Preface.htm

 

Since it is the case that the essential texts remain unchanged, it means that

there is no interpretation that Shri Mataji did not give Herself. There was

therefore no moral justification for 'WCASY SYs'(through John Noyce and his

multiple I.D.'s) to have Wikipedia label 'Sahaj Vidya' as they did, which

Wikipedia might have done themselves, after the precedent of the 'compromise

solution' in which 'Shri Adi Shakti: the Kingdom of God' got placed under 'Other

Sites': http://www.sahajayoga-shrimataji.org/ (Btw, this is not meant as a

criticism of Wikipedia, who have done the right thing, by reaching the 'best

possible compromise' under very difficult circumstances, and we appreciate that

greatly. If it were not for their fairness and alertness, we would not be

mentioned under Sahaja Yoga at all, and neither would Sahaj Vidya be,

'apparently'.)

 

The problem with 'WCASY SYs' is that they only understand the external teachings

of Shri Mataji, but they do not seem to be able to grasp the internal or 'deeper

teachings'. The other difficulty is, that a 'lack of Gnostic understanding' of

Her Message, actually leads to great spiritual misunderstanding, and it has

happened in Sahaja Yoga already! The 'majority' mostly never have understood the

deeper teachings of the Incarnations and prophets, and therefore the Core of the

Message would usually get lost. Shri Mataji has worked very hard This Time, to

make sure it will not get lost. That is why you will also find certain SYs

'standing up and being counted', even against all odds, and all forces that are

against Her Divine Message of the Resurrection.

 

The site that is 'Sahaj Vidya' has been faithfully done, according to Shri

Mataji's request, so 'what more proof' can be given, that Sahaja Vidya is

'Official SY'. 'None, unless you are so spiritually shallow, to believe, after

all that Shri Mataji taught, that Sahaja Yoga is only an external

organisation'!:

 

" You must all individually also work it out that you study Sahaja Yoga in a way.

In most of the tapes whatever I have said can be seen… found out… what is said

about health… what is said about children… because I spontaneously say things…

and if you can sort it out you will know so many things… I mean if you sit down

and do a study of these tapes it will help you to find out so many little little

things that are so important for life. You can clarify it… can note it down…

that this Mother said about these things… it will be very good for us to sort it

out this way… what point is to be noted down in different headings… can put

different different headings, and jot it down. Mother has said so… Mother has

said so… whatever is not on the tape you should not listen to… whatever is on

tape is authentic… whatever is recorded already should be accepted (890725) " .

 

Shri Mataji used to say that certain collectives were spoiled because there were

a 'few rotten apples that spoiled the whole bunch'. It takes only a few 'WCASY

SYs' who themselves have the chakra catches of 'domination' and 'religious

conditionings' to infect all the 'apples in the barrel'. It makes no difference,

whether the apple is 'the dominator' or 'the dominated'. That is probably why

the Subtle System Religion has evolved, and why the majority of SYs remain

infected with 'chakra blockages'.

 

At the Easter Puja in Sydney, Australia in 1993, Shri Mataji spoke about SYs who

'crucify others', even though they should know better. Shri Mataji says that

those who are 'being crucified' are okay, but that those who are 'doing the

crucifying' are in great spiritual danger:

 

" The forgiving quality of Christ when he was crucified has to be remembered. How

he forgave them because they did not know what they were doing. But even when

they know what they are doing in Sahaja Yoga, still they try to crucify. This

crucifying may be alright for the person who is crucified, but is very dangerous

for the person who is crucifying. " ((Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Easter Puja -

Sydney, Australia - 31 March, 1991)

 

i agree with Shri Mataji that those who are 'doing the crucifying' are in great

spiritual danger to themselves. The Reality of Sahaja Yoga is " Union With the

Divine " . Those who want to make the " Union of the Divine " into something like

'official union' and 'unofficial union'.... and then proceed to crucify others

on such an external mental concept.... 'they just don't know what they are

doing'! They don't realise the spiritual danger they are in. They don't realise

why their chakras remain blocked up. They do not realise that by playing

'spiritual control games' that they are losing their own souls in the process.

Like Shri Mataji says, 'the crucified ones are okay'. It is the ones who are

'doing the crucifying' who are in great spiritual danger.

 

The " Divine Within " in the Kingdom of God, actually takes no notice of 'WCASY

SYs' distinctons of 'Official' and 'Unofficial'. They are definitely kidding

themselves, if they think the Divine makes such distinctions. Sahaja Yoga is not

like other organisations, but it is a Spiritual Organism, and nice if you have

an organisation that is 'Organism-Friendly'. God is not a 'Respecter of

Persons', just because a few SYs have happened to be good organisers, who have

organised the majority, and feel that therefore, they can now be in the position

to dominate others, and 'religiously condition' others. SYs are actually

supposed to avoid 'domination' and 'conditionings' like the plague! Instead,

they indulge in these. Therefore, it is no wonder that chakra catches and blocks

(psychosomatic blocks) remain rampant. Therefore, it is no wonder that 'WCASY

SYs' and those who follow them, remain in the Subtle System Kindergarten Class.

 

So, for the proof that WCASY have an 'Official Sahaja Yoga' as opposed to an

'Unofficial Sahaja', all you have to do is look at Wikipedia,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahaja_Yoga, and you will find that right at the

bottom of this URL, where it says 'Other Sites', there is not only Shri Adi

Shakti: The Kingdom of God and the 'University of Virginia Religious Movements

Homepage'...........but there is now a 3rd one listed, which says 'Unofficial,

Devotional Site, Unofficial Compilations and Interpretations', which when you

'click on it'.... is 'Sahaj Vidya'!

 

It is 'thanks to Wikipedia' that Sahaj Vidya and Shri Adi Shakti: The Kingdom of

God.... are even listed at all, 'under Sahaja Yoga'. At least Wikipedia knows

better than WCASY do, that we are definitely all " Sahaj Yoga " . We are all Her

Devotees, who have their " Official Union With the Divine " . i can assure all,

that " there is nothing Unofficial in God's eyes, about it!. "

 

violet

 

http://www.sahajvidya.org/SahajVidya/0h1o0m8e_721.html

 

" So to get out of all your crucifixions, you have to have an extremely pure,

ideal and beautiful life. You should be proud of your virtues, you should be

proud of your greatness, you should be proud that you are so righteous,

otherwise people will boast about their mad things as in the modern times, but

not about their good things. You need not boast about both the things but you

can be proud of the things that are so nice, so beautiful.

 

Christ had to surrender to the desire of his Father and he asked him that if You

could take away this cup it would be nice. But when the Father said no, you have

to drink this cup, he accepted, and he went through it very bravely, and

beautifully.

 

We have to have the same kind of surrender, whatever we have to do, we have to

do it with the same kind of surrender. We should not think that we are achieving

something by that, showing off or anything. Just think it is being done because

we are surrendering. We should feel our surrender as a great blessing. If you

can put your attention to your heart, and say ` I surrender myself' that's more

than sufficient. But you shouldn't say Mother please help me to surrender. All

these prayers sometimes are just escapes from reality: 'You must help me etc.'.

To surrender is very easy. Just you have to say 'Mother please come in my heart,

Mother, please come in my head, Mother please come in my attention' and as you

go on saying [that] the Kundalini will rise, and She will cleanse you. But

problem is you will always spoil Her. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Easter Puja -

Sydney, Australia - 31 March, 1991)

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,

" Violet " <violet.tubb wrote:

 

" > At the Easter Puja in Sydney, Australia in 1993, Shri Mataji spoke

about SYs who 'crucify others', even though they should know better.

Shri Mataji says that those who are 'being crucified' are okay, but

that those who are 'doing the crucifying' are in great spiritual

danger: "

 

Dear All,

 

In reference to the above paragraph which is in my previous post, the

date should read as '1991' and not '1993', rendering the paragraph

anew as:

 

" > At the Easter Puja in Sydney, Australia in 1991, Shri Mataji spoke

about SYs who 'crucify others', even though they should know better.

Shri Mataji says that those who are 'being crucified' are okay, but

that those who are 'doing the crucifying' are in great spiritual

danger: "

 

Just in case, anyone 'by chance' is reposting my previous post

(appended below), please ensure for me that the date is changed from

1993 to 1991. i do not like to get the 'dates' wrong....

 

thanks,

 

violet

 

 

 

> " WCASY'.... Sahaj Vidya are definitely Sahaja Yoga!!! "

>

> Dear Jagbir and All,

>

> When i looked at the bottom of the page of (http://en.wikipedia.org/

wiki/Sahaja_Yoga) i found that the site of 'Sahaj Vidya' had joined

the ranks of 'Other Sites' of Sahaja Yoga, and 'Sahaj Vidya' is

described as 'Unofficial, Devotional Site, Unofficial Compilations

and Interpretations'. This surprised me, as 'Sahaj Vidya' is solely

based upon the videotape recordings of Shri Mataji and 'written in

the English way'. Sahaj Vidya clearly explain that " in all cases, the

essential text remains unchanged " :

>

> http://www.sahajvidya.org/SahajVidya/SahajVidya_Preface.htm

>

> Since it is the case that the essential texts remain unchanged, it

means that there is no interpretation that Shri Mataji did not give

Herself. There was therefore no moral justification for 'WCASY

SYs'(through John Noyce and his multiple I.D.'s) to have Wikipedia

label 'Sahaj Vidya' as they did, which Wikipedia might have done

themselves, after the precedent of the 'compromise solution' in which

'Shri Adi Shakti: the Kingdom of God' got placed under 'Other Sites':

http://www.sahajayoga-shrimataji.org/ (Btw, this is not meant as a

criticism of Wikipedia, who have done the right thing, by reaching

the 'best possible compromise' under very difficult circumstances,

and we appreciate that greatly. If it were not for their fairness and

alertness, we would not be mentioned under Sahaja Yoga at all, and

neither would Sahaj Vidya be, 'apparently'.)

>

> The problem with 'WCASY SYs' is that they only understand the

external teachings of Shri Mataji, but they do not seem to be able to

grasp the internal or 'deeper teachings'. The other difficulty is,

that a 'lack of Gnostic understanding' of Her Message, actually leads

to great spiritual misunderstanding, and it has happened in Sahaja

Yoga already! The 'majority' mostly never have understood the deeper

teachings of the Incarnations and prophets, and therefore the Core of

the Message would usually get lost. Shri Mataji has worked very hard

This Time, to make sure it will not get lost. That is why you will

also find certain SYs 'standing up and being counted', even against

all odds, and all forces that are against Her Divine Message of the

Resurrection.

>

> The site that is 'Sahaj Vidya' has been faithfully done, according

to Shri Mataji's request, so 'what more proof' can be given, that

Sahaja Vidya is 'Official SY'. 'None, unless you are so spiritually

shallow, to believe, after all that Shri Mataji taught, that Sahaja

Yoga is only an external organisation'!:

>

> " You must all individually also work it out that you study Sahaja

Yoga in a way. In most of the tapes whatever I have said can be seen…

found out… what is said about health… what is said about children…

because I spontaneously say things… and if you can sort it out you

will know so many things… I mean if you sit down and do a study of

these tapes it will help you to find out so many little little things

that are so important for life. You can clarify it… can note it down…

that this Mother said about these things… it will be very good for us

to sort it out this way… what point is to be noted down in different

headings… can put different different headings, and jot it down.

Mother has said so… Mother has said so… whatever is not on the tape

you should not listen to… whatever is on tape is authentic… whatever

is recorded already should be accepted (890725) " .

>

> Shri Mataji used to say that certain collectives were spoiled

because there were a 'few rotten apples that spoiled the whole

bunch'. It takes only a few 'WCASY SYs' who themselves have the

chakra catches of 'domination' and 'religious conditionings' to

infect all the 'apples in the barrel'. It makes no difference,

whether the apple is 'the dominator' or 'the dominated'. That is

probably why the Subtle System Religion has evolved, and why the

majority of SYs remain infected with 'chakra blockages'.

>

> At the Easter Puja in Sydney, Australia in 1993, Shri Mataji spoke

about SYs who 'crucify others', even though they should know better.

Shri Mataji says that those who are 'being crucified' are okay, but

that those who are 'doing the crucifying' are in great spiritual

danger:

>

> " The forgiving quality of Christ when he was crucified has to be

remembered. How he forgave them because they did not know what they

were doing. But even when they know what they are doing in Sahaja

Yoga, still they try to crucify. This crucifying may be alright for

the person who is crucified, but is very dangerous for the person who

is crucifying. " ((Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Easter Puja - Sydney,

Australia - 31 March, 1991)

>

> i agree with Shri Mataji that those who are 'doing the crucifying'

are in great spiritual danger to themselves. The Reality of Sahaja

Yoga is " Union With the Divine " . Those who want to make the " Union of

the Divine " into something like 'official union' and 'unofficial

union'.... and then proceed to crucify others on such an external

mental concept.... 'they just don't know what they are doing'! They

don't realise the spiritual danger they are in. They don't realise

why their chakras remain blocked up. They do not realise that by

playing 'spiritual control games' that they are losing their own

souls in the process. Like Shri Mataji says, 'the crucified ones are

okay'. It is the ones who are 'doing the crucifying' who are in great

spiritual danger.

>

> The " Divine Within " in the Kingdom of God, actually takes no notice

of 'WCASY SYs' distinctons of 'Official' and 'Unofficial'. They are

definitely kidding themselves, if they think the Divine makes such

distinctions. Sahaja Yoga is not like other organisations, but it is

a Spiritual Organism, and nice if you have an organisation that is

'Organism-Friendly'. God is not a 'Respecter of Persons', just

because a few SYs have happened to be good organisers, who have

organised the majority, and feel that therefore, they can now be in

the position to dominate others, and 'religiously condition' others.

SYs are actually supposed to avoid 'domination' and 'conditionings'

like the plague! Instead, they indulge in these. Therefore, it is no

wonder that chakra catches and blocks (psychosomatic blocks) remain

rampant. Therefore, it is no wonder that 'WCASY SYs' and those who

follow them, remain in the Subtle System Kindergarten Class.

>

> So, for the proof that WCASY have an 'Official Sahaja Yoga' as

opposed to an 'Unofficial Sahaja', all you have to do is look at

Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahaja_Yoga, and you will

find that right at the bottom of this URL, where it says 'Other

Sites', there is not only Shri Adi Shakti: The Kingdom of God and the

'University of Virginia Religious Movements Homepage'...........but

there is now a 3rd one listed, which says 'Unofficial, Devotional

Site, Unofficial Compilations and Interpretations', which when you

'click on it'.... is 'Sahaj Vidya'!

>

> It is 'thanks to Wikipedia' that Sahaj Vidya and Shri Adi Shakti:

The Kingdom of God.... are even listed at all, 'under Sahaja Yoga'.

At least Wikipedia knows better than WCASY do, that we are definitely

all " Sahaj Yoga " . We are all Her Devotees, who have their " Official

Union With the Divine " . i can assure all, that " there is nothing

Unofficial in God's eyes, about it!. "

>

> violet

>

> http://www.sahajvidya.org/SahajVidya/0h1o0m8e_721.html

>

> " So to get out of all your crucifixions, you have to have an

extremely pure, ideal and beautiful life. You should be proud of your

virtues, you should be proud of your greatness, you should be proud

that you are so righteous, otherwise people will boast about their

mad things as in the modern times, but not about their good things.

You need not boast about both the things but you can be proud of the

things that are so nice, so beautiful.

>

> Christ had to surrender to the desire of his Father and he asked

him that if You could take away this cup it would be nice. But when

the Father said no, you have to drink this cup, he accepted, and he

went through it very bravely, and beautifully.

>

> We have to have the same kind of surrender, whatever we have to do,

we have to do it with the same kind of surrender. We should not think

that we are achieving something by that, showing off or anything.

Just think it is being done because we are surrendering. We should

feel our surrender as a great blessing. If you can put your attention

to your heart, and say ` I surrender myself' that's more than

sufficient. But you shouldn't say Mother please help me to surrender.

All these prayers sometimes are just escapes from reality: 'You must

help me etc.'. To surrender is very easy. Just you have to say

'Mother please come in my heart, Mother, please come in my head,

Mother please come in my attention' and as you go on saying [that]

the Kundalini will rise, and She will cleanse you. But problem is you

will always spoil Her. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Easter Puja -

Sydney, Australia - 31 March, 1991)

>