...If you have any problems you should write to Me.

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

Below is a link to the Easter Sunday talk given by Shri Mataji recently in Pune, India:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6958092410249360441 & hl=en

Here we see Shri Mataji on video, albeit grainy, obviously taken on a cellphone, speaking like in the old days. Amazingly, in the short talk, among other issues, She says, " ...If you have any doubts you can write to Me " and " ...If you have any problems you should write to Me. " So, twice in the short talk, Shri Mataji is actually welcoming Her children to contact Her directly, and this is the issue that is currently on this forum.

 

I have also uploaded an MP3 file of an excerpt of Shri Mataji's 1988 talk. Below is the link:

http://www.savefile.com640574

Violet had made a mistake in the date and place of the talk in the transcript in post 7260. The talk was actually made in the Indian town of Sangli, one of the stops on the India Tour and the date was December 21, 1988.

 

The year 1988 was anno horribilis for Sahaja Yoga, especially for the Australians. That was the year when the MahaGanesha Puja which would have been held at Uluru, Ayers Rock, was cancelled at the last minute. That was also the year when the leadership cabal in Australia was dismissed by Shri Mataji and this was alluded to by Shri Mataji in Her talk. Interestingly, in another talk around this period Shri Mataji referred to this ilk of Sahaj leaders as " these little Hitlers. "

The point about leadership that Shri Mataji wanted the rank and file Sahaja Yogis to comtemplate was this: " I am just wondering how many of you can understand that a person without any depth cannot lead you anywhere. " And it is the lack of depth and the quality of the current Sahaj leadership that we are questioning on this forum.

 

Chandra

-------

Re: How do we write to her?

Dear Kyyan,

You can reach Shri Mataji at the following address:

PratisthanNDA RoadPune-411023MaharashtraIndia

In this connection I would like to append below two very relevant short excerpts from Shri Mataji's talk which was first posted by Violet in post 7260 on Jan 20th, 2007.

Some extracts: " ...you should immediately write to me. I am still existing. " " ...and you can all write directly to Me. You can all send Me flowers directly. " " ...there should not be a barrier between you and Me. I'll not stand (for) it at any cost! No barrier between anyone of you and Me, and you should never feel shy to tell Me. (You) should always tell Me, what your problems are. Always I'm available for you, for everyone of you. " " The point is, you have to tell Me! I will like it more that you tell me, than (if you do) not tell me and hide things from me. "

Chandra

" ...The leader has to be very fatherly and has to be very righteous and should not play into the hands of his wife (being dominated by his wife). That's one thing (for) sure. And then you people have to know that " individually " , you are all Sahaja Yogis. None of these big, big rishis and munis could give realisation as you are giving. You don't know your powers! You don't know your position! And if some leader is of that kind (horrible kind), you should immediately write to me. I am still existing (still on Earth). I am just wondering how many of you can understand that a person without any (spiritual) depth, cannot lead you anywhere. "

" ...Please don't consider that even though you are away from Me, that My Attention is not there (with you) and you can all write directly to Me. You can all send Me flowers directly. They said (that) the rule was that it is to be done through the leaders. Not at all! You can send Me flowers anytime you want to. I mean... My relationship is... Who are these leaders! It's just a mockery! If you understand... it's just a mockery! One should not in any way think (that) this stands in between you and Me. Not at all! This (happens) only if somebody is troublesome or possessed or something. Then, naturally... try to keep that person out, but he is not a Sahaja Yogi by any chance. Otherwise, there should not be a barrier between you and Me. I'll not stand (for) it at any cost! No barrier between anyone of you and Me, and you should never feel shy to tell Me. (You) should always tell Me, what your problems are. Always I'm available for you, for everyone of you. One should never just decide, " alright, Mother may not like (what i want to say). I may like (it) or may not like (it). The point is, you have to tell Me! I will like it more that you tell me, than (if you do) not tell me and hide things from me. "

(Shri Mataji - Ganapatipule Formal Talk - 26 December, 1988)

 

On 12 Apr 2007 07:17:32 -0700, v_koa <v_koa wrote: Dear all,

DOes anyone know how we can write to her and where to send it in orderfor her to get it?

IF anyone has this information can someone please tell me.

Thank you

Kyyan

 

[Guest guest]

, " my2 pai " <my2pai

wrote:

 

" Violet had made a mistake in the date and place of the talk in the

transcript in post 7260. The talk was actually made in the Indian

town of Sangli, one of the stops on the India Tour and the date was

December 21, 1988 " .

 

Dear Chandra,

 

Thank you for that information. i do prefer to get my 'dates' and 'places'

correct. i am therefore appending the talk again, with the right date and place.

i really appreciate 'being picked up on' this. Thanks, Chandra.

 

Warm Regards,

 

violet

 

 

 

" ...The leader has to be very fatherly and has to be very righteous and should

not play into the hands of his wife [being dominated by his wife]. That's one

thing [for] sure. And then you people have to know that " individually " , you are

all Sahaja Yogis. None of these big, big rishis and munis could give realisation

as you are giving. You don't know your powers! You don't know your position! And

if some leader is of that kind ['horrible kind'], you should immediately write

to me. I am still existing [still on Earth]. I am just wondering how many of you

can understand that a person without any [spiritual] depth, cannot lead you

anywhere. "

 

" ...Please don't consider that even though you are away from Me, that My

Attention is not there [with you] and you can all write directly to Me. You can

all send Me flowers directly. They said [that] the rule was that it is to be

done through the leaders. Not at all! You can send Me flowers anytime you want

to. I mean... My relationship is... Who are these leaders [anyway]! It's just a

mockery 'if you understand' it's just a mockery! One should not in any way think

[that] this stands in between you and Me. Not at all! This [happens] only if

somebody is troublesome or possessed or something. Then, naturally... try to

keep that person out, but he is not a Sahaja Yogi by any chance. Otherwise,

there should not be a barrier between you and Me. I'll not stand [for] it at any

cost! No barrier between anyone of you and Me, and you should never feel shy to

tell Me. (You) should always tell Me, what your problems are. Always I'm

available for you, " for everyone of you " . One should never just decide,

" alright, Mother may not like [what i want to say]. I may like [it] or may not

like [it]. The point is, you have to tell Me! I will like it more that you tell

me, than [if you do] not tell me and hide things from Me. "

 

(Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Sangli, India - 21 December, 1988)

 

 

Dear All,

>

> Below is a link to the Easter Sunday talk given by Shri Mataji

recently in

> Pune, India:

>

> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6958092410249360441 & hl=en

>

> Here we see Shri Mataji on video, albeit grainy, obviously taken on

a

> cellphone, speaking like in the old days. Amazingly, in the short

talk,

> among other issues, She says, " ...If you have any doubts you can

write to

> Me " and " ...If you have any problems you should write to Me. " So,

twice in

> the short talk, Shri Mataji is actually welcoming Her children to

contact

> Her directly, and this is the issue that is currently on this forum.

>

> I have also uploaded an MP3 file of an excerpt of Shri Mataji's

1988 talk.

> Below is the link:

>

> http://www.savefile.com640574

>

> Violet had made a mistake in the date and place of the talk in the

> transcript in post 7260. The talk was actually made in the Indian

town of

> Sangli, one of the stops on the India Tour and the date was

December 21,

> 1988.

>

> The year 1988 was anno horribilis for Sahaja Yoga, especially for

the

> Australians. That was the year when the MahaGanesha Puja which

would have

> been held at Uluru, Ayers Rock, was cancelled at the last minute.

That was

> also the year when the leadership cabal in Australia was dismissed

by Shri

> Mataji and this was alluded to by Shri Mataji in Her talk.

Interestingly, in

> another talk around this period Shri Mataji referred to this ilk of

Sahaj

> leaders as " these little Hitlers. "

>

> The point about leadership that Shri Mataji wanted the rank and

file Sahaja

> Yogis to comtemplate was this: " I am just wondering how many of you

can

> understand that a person without any depth cannot lead you

anywhere. " And it

> is the lack of depth and the quality of the current Sahaj

leadership that we

> are questioning on this forum.

> Chandra

>

> -------

>

> Re: How do we write to her?

>

>

> Dear Kyyan,

>

> You can reach Shri Mataji at the following address:

>

> Pratisthan

> NDA Road

> Pune-411023

> Maharashtra

> India

>

> In this connection I would like to append below two very relevant

short

> excerpts from Shri Mataji's talk which was first posted by Violet

in post

> 7260 on Jan 20th, 2007.

>

> Some extracts: " ...you should immediately write to me. I am still

existing. "

> " ...and you can all write directly to Me. You can all send Me

flowers

> directly. " " ...there should not be a barrier between you and Me.

I'll not

> stand (for) it at any cost! No barrier between anyone of you and

Me, and you

> should never feel shy to tell Me. (You) should always tell Me, what

your

> problems are. Always I'm available for you, for everyone of

you. " " The point

> is, you have to tell Me! I will like it more that you tell me, than

(if you

> do) not tell me and hide things from me. "

>

> Chandra

>

>

> " ...The leader has to be very fatherly and has to be very righteous

and

> should not play into the hands of his wife (being dominated by his

wife).

> That's one thing (for) sure. And then you people have to know that

> " individually " , you are all Sahaja Yogis. None of these big, big

rishis and

> munis could give realisation as you are giving. You don't know your

powers!

> You don't know your position! And if some leader is of that kind

(horrible

> kind), you should immediately write to me. I am still existing

(still on

> Earth). I am just wondering how many of you can understand that a

person

> without any (spiritual) depth, cannot lead you anywhere. "

>

> " ...Please don't consider that even though you are away from Me,

that My

> Attention is not there (with you) and you can all write directly to

Me. You

> can all send Me flowers directly. They said (that) the rule was

that it is

> to be done through the leaders. Not at all! You can send Me flowers

anytime

> you want to. I mean... My relationship is... Who are these leaders!

It's

> just a mockery! If you understand... it's just a mockery! One

should not in

> any way think (that) this stands in between you and Me. Not at all!

This

> (happens) only if somebody is troublesome or possessed or

something. Then,

> naturally... try to keep that person out, but he is not a Sahaja

Yogi by any

> chance. Otherwise, there should not be a barrier between you and

Me. I'll

> not stand (for) it at any cost! No barrier between anyone of you

and Me, and

> you should never feel shy to tell Me. (You) should always tell Me,

what your

> problems are. Always I'm available for you, for everyone of you.

One should

> never just decide, " alright, Mother may not like (what i want to

say). I may

> like (it) or may not like (it). The point is, you have to tell Me!

I will

> like it more that you tell me, than (if you do) not tell me and

hide things

> from me. "

>

> (Shri Mataji - Ganapatipule Formal Talk - 26 December, 1988)

>

>

>

> On 12 Apr 2007 07:17:32 -0700, v_koa <v_koa@> wrote:

> Dear all,

>

> DOes anyone know how we can write to her and where to send it in

orderfor

> her to get it?

>

> IF anyone has this information can someone please tell me.

>

> Thank you

>

> Kyyan

>

[Guest guest]

> , " my2 pai " <my2pai@>

> wrote:

 

Shri Mataji: " They said [that] the rule was that it is to be done through the

leaders. Not at all! You can send Me flowers anytime you want to. I mean... My

relationship is... Who are these leaders [anyway]! It's just a mockery 'if you

understand' it's just a mockery! One should not in any way think [that] this

stands in between you and Me. Not at all! This [happens] only if somebody is

troublesome or possessed or something. Then, naturally... try to keep that

person out, but he is not a Sahaja Yogi by any chance. "

 

 

Dear Chandra and All,

 

Thanks, Chandra for your anecdotal evidence. i did not know about what happened

in SY in Australia in 1991, because i only came in 1993-94. It is a sad state of

affairs when the types of leaders Shri Mataji refers to as 'troublesome' and

'possessed' have managed to 'entrench themselves' with 'those who will agree

with them' and have taken over Sahaja Yoga. Mr. Perezhogin said he resigned

because he did not agree with 'their tactics'. For a start, this is confirmation

from a previous WCASY Member that they are " using tactics " and from personal

experience (and the reports of others) they are using these tactics against

'fair dinkum' SYs.

 

Two examples: i know Jagbir is a SY 'through and through'. So is his family and

children, but they have been persecuted by the Cabal, because Shri Mataji

selected these children, to give evidence of Her Incarnation. Myself was an

object of their 'tactics' too, and that was just because i expressed the

spiritual reality i understood on Jagbir's forum. Since they don't like Jagbir

(for whatever reason) they don't like me either. i think it has something to do

with being honest and truthful and not hiding anything. All we have to do is

give Her Resurrection Message and keep telling the whole truth, regardless of

the consequences. If we do that, the Holy Spirit will work out Her Message of

Emancipation to the world-at-large.

 

i don't see why there should be problems in Sahaja Yoga, if everyone just

follows Shri Mataji's teachings. But guided by the Cabal, several of who were

there in the UK, Sahaja Yoga has turned into a Subtle System of clearings and

cleansings to fanatical levels. Its like we are still the first SYs from the UK

and nothing has advanced since that time; 'as if' the spiritual vibrations have

not grown to tremendous levels, etc. But SYs still remain and are trained to

remain like that 'snapshot' of the very damaged yogis in the UK when Shri Mataji

started out there. It is becoming a 'stuck snapshot'. That is the problem.

Meanwhile, those who are out of this 'stuck snapshot' are collectively growing

in ever greater spiritual realisations and enjoyment of spiritual sharing, such

as local collectives 'tend to avoid' for fear 'of talking'. But Sahaj Yoga is

not just meditation, it is also sharing; it is communication. If SYs cannot

communicate openly, honestly and courageously (not all expecting to agree on

every detail, but at least expecting to agree with regard to Shri Mataji's

teachings).... then how can SYs communicate with others outside?!

 

Things need to really be 'gone into'. Otherwise, we miss out on a lot of Shri

Mataji's teachings. Some SYs have more knowledge, wisdom and understanding than

others, so they should share that. This sharing needs to be done in collectives

too. It is not a hierarchy. It is a family and different family members should

have their turn to give their spiritual insights, based upon Shri Mataji's

teachings. Positions of management are not hierarchy as such. Shri Mataji taught

that. However, if SYs do not share about 'such things' they will not go forward,

but will remain under the Cabal. (Btw. they have also 'tied up' the Sahaj Media

as well.) So there is a lot of work 'cut out' for SYs 'to free up' and get that

communciation going. Any resistance can be recorded on this forum (in greatest

detail). The worst thing the Cabal hates, is to be exposed (in detail). Truth is

the greatest weapon, as Shri Mataji has always said, too.

 

As far as the organisation of SY is concerned, we are really in a spiritual

emergency situation, with regard to Shri Mataji's Resurrection Message.... and

that is the bottom line! It does not get lower than that! If the

Resurrection/Last Judgment/Qiyamah Message is lost, then the fundamentals of

Sahaja Yoga are lost too. When the spiritual fundamentals are lost, the

spiritual organisation is at risk of becoming fanatical. SYs really have to

cling to Shri Mataji's teachings now, and judge and test everything the Cabal

say and do. That is the only way to get out of this emergency situation.

 

The 'ball' has started rolling. It will gain momentum. We have time, as Jagbir

always says. We just have to say the Truth, and eventually the Truth will

overcome all the obstacles. This is a big test for SYs though. Will they rise to

the occasion and have the courage to face the difficult 'meaty' issues, or will

they want to stay on the 'milk formula'? SYs only have themselves to blame, if

they give their power to such horrible types of leaders. Shri Mataji did not

say: " I " will try and keep such a person/s out. She said: " [You] try to keep

such a person/s out " . With Shri Mataji again at 'the Helm of Affairs' and with

Her Invitation to " Speak Up " .... SYs should at least not fear to speak up and

tell the Truth of what is happening in Sahaja Yoga. Now is the Time to be Her

Ganas. If SYs are not Her Ganas now, then they have failed Her. If we do this,

the organisation can still be saved and those 'inside' and those 'outside' can

once more work in open spiritual unity, as should have been happening all along.

i am sure it will work out if everyone just speaks the Truth with openness,

honesty, and love. There is a point, where change happens. When there is enough

resistance to these types, they lose their power base. As Jagbir says, 'the

resistance is growing'.

 

love to all,

 

violet

 

 

 

, " my2 pai " <my2pai@>

> wrote:

 

" ...The leader has to be very fatherly and has to be very

righteous

and should not play into the hands of his wife [being dominated by

his wife]. That's one thing [for] sure. And then you people have to

know that " individually " , you are all Sahaja Yogis. None of these

big, big rishis and munis could give realisation as you are giving.

You don't know your powers! You don't know your position! And if

some

leader is of that kind ['horrible kind'], you should immediately

write to me. I am still existing [still on Earth]. I am just

wondering how many of you can understand that a person without any

[spiritual] depth, cannot lead you anywhere. "

>

> " ...Please don't consider that even though you are away from Me,

that My Attention is not there [with you] and you can all write

directly to Me. You can all send Me flowers directly. They said

[that] the rule was that it is to be done through the leaders. Not

at

all! You can send Me flowers anytime you want to. I mean... My

relationship is... Who are these leaders [anyway]! It's just a

mockery 'if you understand' it's just a mockery! One should not in

any way think [that] this stands in between you and Me. Not at all!

This [happens] only if somebody is troublesome or possessed or

something. Then, naturally... try to keep that person out, but he is

not a Sahaja Yogi by any chance. Otherwise, there should not be a

barrier between you and Me. I'll not stand [for] it at any cost! No

barrier between anyone of you and Me, and you should never feel shy

to tell Me. (You) should always tell Me, what your problems are.

Always I'm available for you, " for everyone of you " . One should

never

just decide, " alright, Mother may not like [what i want to say]. I

may like [it] or may not like [it]. The point is, you have to tell

Me! I will like it more that you tell me, than [if you do] not tell

me and hide things from Me. "

>

> (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Sangli, India - 21 December, 1988)

>

>

> Dear All,

> >

> > Below is a link to the Easter Sunday talk given by Shri Mataji

> recently in

> > Pune, India:

> >

> > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6958092410249360441 & hl=en

> >

> > Here we see Shri Mataji on video, albeit grainy, obviously taken

on

> a

> > cellphone, speaking like in the old days. Amazingly, in the short

> talk,

> > among other issues, She says, " ...If you have any doubts you can

> write to

> > Me " and " ...If you have any problems you should write to Me. " So,

> twice in

> > the short talk, Shri Mataji is actually welcoming Her children to

> contact

> > Her directly, and this is the issue that is currently on this

forum.

> >

> > I have also uploaded an MP3 file of an excerpt of Shri Mataji's

> 1988 talk.

> > Below is the link:

> >

> > http://www.savefile.com640574

> >

> > Violet had made a mistake in the date and place of the talk in

the

> > transcript in post 7260. The talk was actually made in the Indian

> town of

> > Sangli, one of the stops on the India Tour and the date was

> December 21,

> > 1988.

> >

> > The year 1988 was anno horribilis for Sahaja Yoga, especially for

> the

> > Australians. That was the year when the MahaGanesha Puja which

> would have

> > been held at Uluru, Ayers Rock, was cancelled at the last minute.

> That was

> > also the year when the leadership cabal in Australia was

dismissed

> by Shri

> > Mataji and this was alluded to by Shri Mataji in Her talk.

> Interestingly, in

> > another talk around this period Shri Mataji referred to this ilk

of

> Sahaj

> > leaders as " these little Hitlers. "

> >

> > The point about leadership that Shri Mataji wanted the rank and

> file Sahaja

> > Yogis to comtemplate was this: " I am just wondering how many of

you

> can

> > understand that a person without any depth cannot lead you

> anywhere. " And it

> > is the lack of depth and the quality of the current Sahaj

> leadership that we

> > are questioning on this forum.

> > Chandra

> >

> > -------

> >

> > Re: How do we write to her?

> >

> >

> > Dear Kyyan,

> >

> > You can reach Shri Mataji at the following address:

> >

> > Pratisthan

> > NDA Road

> > Pune-411023

> > Maharashtra

> > India

> >

> > In this connection I would like to append below two very relevant

> short

> > excerpts from Shri Mataji's talk which was first posted by Violet

> in post

> > 7260 on Jan 20th, 2007.

> >

> > Some extracts: " ...you should immediately write to me. I am still

> existing. "

> > " ...and you can all write directly to Me. You can all send Me

> flowers

> > directly. " " ...there should not be a barrier between you and Me.

> I'll not

> > stand (for) it at any cost! No barrier between anyone of you and

> Me, and you

> > should never feel shy to tell Me. (You) should always tell Me,

what

> your

> > problems are. Always I'm available for you, for everyone of

> you. " " The point

> > is, you have to tell Me! I will like it more that you tell me,

than

> (if you

> > do) not tell me and hide things from me. "

> >

> > Chandra

> >

> >

> > " ...The leader has to be very fatherly and has to be very

righteous

> and

> > should not play into the hands of his wife (being dominated by

his

> wife).

> > That's one thing (for) sure. And then you people have to know

that

> > " individually " , you are all Sahaja Yogis. None of these big, big

> rishis and

> > munis could give realisation as you are giving. You don't know

your

> powers!

> > You don't know your position! And if some leader is of that kind

> (horrible

> > kind), you should immediately write to me. I am still existing

> (still on

> > Earth). I am just wondering how many of you can understand that a

> person

> > without any (spiritual) depth, cannot lead you anywhere. "

> >

> > " ...Please don't consider that even though you are away from Me,

> that My

> > Attention is not there (with you) and you can all write directly

to

> Me. You

> > can all send Me flowers directly. They said (that) the rule was

> that it is

> > to be done through the leaders. Not at all! You can send Me

flowers

> anytime

> > you want to. I mean... My relationship is... Who are these

leaders!

> It's

> > just a mockery! If you understand... it's just a mockery! One

> should not in

> > any way think (that) this stands in between you and Me. Not at

all!

> This

> > (happens) only if somebody is troublesome or possessed or

> something. Then,

> > naturally... try to keep that person out, but he is not a Sahaja

> Yogi by any

> > chance. Otherwise, there should not be a barrier between you and

> Me. I'll

> > not stand (for) it at any cost! No barrier between anyone of you

> and Me, and

> > you should never feel shy to tell Me. (You) should always tell

Me,

> what your

> > problems are. Always I'm available for you, for everyone of you.

> One should

> > never just decide, " alright, Mother may not like (what i want to

> say). I may

> > like (it) or may not like (it). The point is, you have to tell

Me!

> I will

> > like it more that you tell me, than (if you do) not tell me and

> hide things

> > from me. "

> >

> > (Shri Mataji - Ganapatipule Formal Talk - 26 December, 1988)

> >

> >

> >

> > On 12 Apr 2007 07:17:32 -0700, v_koa <v_koa@> wrote:

> > Dear all,

> >

> > DOes anyone know how we can write to her and where to send it in

> orderfor

> > her to get it?

> >

> > IF anyone has this information can someone please tell me.

> >

> > Thank you

> >

> > Kyyan

> >

>