This is indeed the worst act of defiance by WCASY against the Divine Mother

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, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

 

" BTW, what does the paragraph above actually mean? To whom have these

true believers directed their message? Who are all the doubters being

silenced and why/what were they doubting in the first place? What are

the paths not keeping with the Sahaja collective?

 

Dear Jagbir and All,

 

'WCASY SYs' still believe that a good Local Collective Attendance Record is what

Shri Mataji meant by 'being collective'. However, we know that Shri Mataji

explained at the 'Shri Adi Kundalini Puja' in Germany in 1991, that 'to be

collective' means 'where there is no other' ('ananya' in Sanskrit). Actually,

Jagbir that really ties in well with the fact that 'Shri Lalita is our own

blissful Self'!!! How else can there be " No Other " ?!

 

Here is what Shri Mataji says:

 

Shri Mataji: " Collectivity doesn't mean that we all should be stuck together

with some glue or something or we [will] all become like Gibraltar, 'the Rock of

Gibralter'! No, it doesn't mean that, [but it means that] wherever you are, you

are connected! That is collectivity. "

 

Violet: 'Collectivity' is not a good Local Collective Attendance Record, but it

is a spiritual connection between 2 or more persons. Even if SYs were physically

'stuck together with glue'.... that would not ensure their collectivity. Even if

they were cemented together into one 'Rock of Gibralter' that would still not

ensure collectivity; in fact, it would make them 'unmoveable and stagant' with

no room to move. Rather, 'collectivity' depends upon their spiritual connection

to each other. If the spiritual connection is there, then they are 'collective'.

If the spiritual connection is not there, then they are 'not collective'.

 

Shri Mataji: " A collective doesn't mean that you hate that person. No, your

connection means that you love that person, you're concerned about that person.

The connection 'the connecting line is of love and not of hatred'. So when you

are connected with another person or persons, then you are 'in collectivity'.

But people will live together and everyday break each others' heads. Some of

them really give Me headaches 'I tell you, sometimes' because they are " nowhere

near " the real growth of Sahaja Yoga " .

 

Violet: 'Collectivity' happens when a person is 'spiritually connected' to

others, which Shri Mataji describes very clearly as 'having a connecting line of

love'. This can include even just one another person or many people. Christ

Jesus says: " For where two or three have gathered together in My name, there I

am in their midst " (Matthew 18:20) That is also " collectivity'.... and part of

that collectivity is 'Christ in our Spiritual Midst' though He is not

'physically present' with us, but 'spiritually present'. This same principle

applies with regard to the Divine Mother; 'Holy Spirit Within'.

 

Shri Mataji: So you may be in America, you may be in India, you may be anywhere.

You are just connected. And you are concerned.

 

Violet: Shri Mataji clarifies the fact, that collectivity or 'spiritual

connection'.... has nothing to do with physical proximity, but rather, it has

everything to do with 'spiritual proximity'. Obviously, you cannot be in

physical proximity with someone from India, if you live in America, but you can

still be in 'spiritual proximity' with them, which is what 'collectivity' means.

 

Shri Mataji: " As soon as there's a problem somewhere, into any part, 'any part

of the world' you are connected and you're effective. You can manage. But if you

are not connected and you are just glued together, it's very inconvenient to

live under such circumstances. "

 

Violet: This is very true. WCASY have done two opposite things, both of which

are 'not in spiritual balance'. On the one hand, they have tried to 'glue people

together' so they cannot 'move forward in spiritual liberty, creativity and

their apprenticeship as gurus, masters and teachers. And on the other hand, they

have 'broken people off, who won't be glued together'. In either case, as Shri

Mataji has said: " It's very inconvenient to live under such circumstances " . That

is also why SYs cannot " show leadership " which are the words my ears heard when

i listened to Shri Mataji on the Video Link Kyyan provided. It is because they

are " glued together " and " can't move " . They have 'become glued together' by

WCASY. They are not free to move forward, but have " become stuck " .... like the

Rock of Gibralter!!!

 

Shri Mataji: " I think people don't even understand the meaning of collectivity,

where there's not 'the Other' ('ananya' - Sanskrit –> no other). There's no

other personality. These personalities ['who are not connected'] are separated

from you because of left and right or could be both. But you are yourself fully

[connected] when you're absolutely detached and your kundalini's dancing. You're

alone and never alone " .

 

Violet: i guess we must be " true believers " since we do believe what Shri Mataji

taught, that there is " No Other " ; that we are 'One in the Spirit and One in the

Lord'; One Body of Believers!

 

Shri Mataji: " This Oneness with the Whole gives you all the security that you

want, all the joy you want and that's why Kundalini Awakening means

" Collectivity " . Unless and until you want pure collectivity in your being,

Kundalini won't rise " . (Shri Adi Kundalini Puja - Germany - 11 August, 1991)

 

Violet: 'So there we have it'! But how can 'WCASY SYs' be the " true believers'

when they don't even believe in Her Teachings? How can they be " true believers "

when they spend their precious time in either 'glueing SYs together' or

'breaking them apart' (if they refuse to become 'glued together')? That is how

the organisation have become " stuck " like the Rock of Gibralter. And neither are

they even enlightening " themselves " with Shri Mataji's teachings, because they

just don't believe in them, so they don't teach them, but they teach their own

SYSSR. It is very inconvenient for SYs to live under these circumstances.

 

violet

 

 

 

> >> Thursday, April 12, 2007

> >>

> >> We were fortunate to perform Puja to Shri Mataji, the auspicious

> >> offerings were made, the vibrations incredible. Then a moment for

> >> all the true believers gathered, and all those in every corner of

> >> the world, in every home, and collective house, a moment to

> >> silence all doubters, and those who seek to follow paths not in

> >> keeping with the Sahaja collective. "

> >>

> >> http://www.sahajayoga.org/swan/default.asp

> >>

>

> >

> > From what i see, it seems like that may be a direct jab at you

> > Jagbir and what you have done/ are promoting other do as far as

> > putting up a 'supposid' website that is not inline with Sahaja

yoga

> > or whats taught/practiced in collectives, and also about saying

its

> > not neccasary to attend collectives to grow and even advising

> > against it.

> >

> > Any comments?

> >

> > Kyyan

> >

>

> i think there is another victim of this jabbing, or stabbing to be

> more precise - General Guido. Last year he held Shri Mataji's

> birthday puja at his Rome fortress which WCASY members have so far

> failed to breach despite the arsenal at their disposal. Waves of

> sustained attacks all failed miserably and now there seems to be a

> stalemate.

>

> What has incensed WCASY, and hence their decision to stab instead of

> jab, is the growing resistance against them. Last year at the

birthday

> puja General Guido had only about 50-60 loyal followers. This March

> that swelled to between 150-200, including many from the pro-WCASY

> camp. There were even international SYs. This made WCASY members

very

> agitated and they raised the ante with this threat: " We will sell

the

> fortress! " General Guido knows that a good lawyer will be enough to

> scare WCASY to behave. WCASY knows that too. Stabbing rivals over

the

> internet is now the weapon of choice - it is all about the quality

of

> their much trumpeted Sahaj Love Kyyan. Too much of it can kill you.

>

> My family had to leave their organization just to heal from the deep

> wounds inflicted over the years, and survive. i doubt any SY

received

> as much Sahaj Love as my children and myself. And they still keep

> sending more to me, turning the past wounds into permanent scars.

> That is why i said it is not a jab but another stab. i think i can

> take all they can muster, and a stab or two more. Nowadays recovery

> has improved tremendously ........... i quite forgot John Noyce

> stabbing me at Wikipedia, with WCASY tacit support of course. Now

> they have decided to 'honor' me by associating http://adishakti.org

> at Wikipedia with the foes of Shri Mataji. These fools have no

> respect for Shri Mataji, even less being concious of their insult to

> the Great Devi! You cannot be more dumb than desecrating Her in this

> manner:

>

> Critical sites

>

> Freedom of Mind, opinions by Steven Hassan

> Sahaja Yoga: Facts and Warnings from Ex-Members

> INFORM pamphlet about Sahaja Yoga Undated, c.2000

> Shri Adi Shakti: The Kingdom Of God - critical of WCASY

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahaja_Yoga

>

> This is indeed the worst act of defiance by WCASY against the Divine

> Mother. Their egos are now so bloated by power that they have the

> temerity and audacity to dare go against the Devi's evidence and

> revelations that Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is Her incarnation!

>

> WCASY, you can all stab me repeatedly till kingdom come but you will

> never silence me. (But who are you really against?) Why not complain

> to Shri Mataji that all our Sahaj Love and compassion cannot

transform

> and turn Jagbir into a silent, submissive SY? ............. like

so

> many others. You do not seem to understand that i make a good friend

> but a far better foe. One day you will get that self-realization

too.

> As i have said before, time is on my side. As Shri Mataji has said,

> let the Truth that is not accepted destroy all obstacles on its

path.

> i just have to be patient.

>

> regards to all,

>

> jagbir

>

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@>

> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > BTW, Shri Mataji's breaking of a 5-year silence and plea to

spread

> > > Jesus Christ's message of Resurection did not even make it to

> > > SWAN. This was more important: " a three day workshops will be

> > > held in Shri P.K. Salve Kala Pratishthan Music Academy. " Does

> > > anyone have any doubts left now as to the sincerity, urgency and

> > > conscience amongst those in power to carry out Shri Mataji's

> > > Resurrection message?

> > >

> > > regards to all,

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> >

> > There is now a belated reaction from SWAN with a link provided

today

> > to another website that carried this message:

> >

> > " Easter Sunday - The Day of Resurrection

> > Thursday, April 12, 2007

> >

> > We were fortunate to perform Puja to Shri Mataji, the auspicious

> > offerings were made, the vibrations incredible. Then a moment for

> > all the true believers gathered, and all those in every corner of

> > the world, in every home, and collective house, a moment to

silence

> > all doubters, and those who seek to follow paths not in keeping

> > with the Sahaja collective. "

> >

> > http://www.sahajayoga.org/swan/default.asp

> >

> > BTW, what does the paragraph above actually mean? To whom have

these

> > true believers directed their message? Who are all the doubters

> > being silenced and why/what were they doubting in the first place?

> > What are the paths not keeping with the Sahaja collective?

> >

> > jagbir

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> My family had to leave their organization just to heal from the deep

> wounds inflicted over the years, and survive. i doubt any SY

> received as much Sahaj Love as my children and myself. And they

> still keep sending more to me, turning the past wounds into

> permanent scars. That is why i said it is not a jab but another

> stab. i think i can take all they can muster, and a stab or two

> more. Nowadays recovery has improved tremendously ........... i

> quite forgot John Noyce stabbing me at Wikipedia, with WCASY tacit

> support of course. Now they have decided to 'honor' me by

> associating http://adishakti.org at Wikipedia with the foes of Shri

> Mataji. These fools have no respect for Shri Mataji, even less

> being concious of their insult to the Great Devi! You cannot be

> more dumb than desecrating Her in this manner:

>

> Critical sites

>

> Freedom of Mind, opinions by Steven Hassan

> Sahaja Yoga: Facts and Warnings from Ex-Members

> INFORM pamphlet about Sahaja Yoga Undated, c.2000

> Shri Adi Shakti: The Kingdom Of God - critical of WCASY

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahaja_Yoga

>

 

 

External links

I have moved and relabelled three sites:

1.SahajVidya should be under Sahaja Yoga Meditation and is widely

known under its own name.

2.The INFORM pamphlet is best listed under Critical Sites. The date

of publication needs to be added.

3.The Shri Adi Shakti site and associated is now highly

critical of the World Council and is best listed under Critical

Sites. Sahajhist 06:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

 

1. Widely known? Among encyclopedia readers?

2. We don't have dates of publication for other links - I'm not sure

why we need that date.

3. This article isn't about the World Council. I removed " former

yogis " from the description because I don't see where they describe

themselves that way. -Will Beback · † · 06:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

 

Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sahaja_Yoga "

 

 

Looks like John Noyce probably tried to list it as:

 

Shri Adi Shakti: The Kingdom Of God - former yogis critical of WCASY

 

before Will Beback removed " former yogis " from the description

because he did not see it that way. Will Beback obviously has more

Sahaj Love than aspiring WCASY candidate John Noyce. Thanks Will Beback.

 

jagbir