Guest guest Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Dear All, Do we remember that Apostle Paul said that: " I speak in tongues more than ye all " ? Here it is: " I thank God I speak in tongues more than you all " . (I Corinthians 14:18) Well, Shri Mataji well and truly 'debunks' Paul. Shri Mataji also tells what are some of the problems in religions today. violet QUESTION: Shri Mataji, in the Christian tradition we have heard that the Holy Spirit is something which comes from outside and now You said it is something which is inside. SHRI MATAJI: It is a controversial thing, [yet] it is [in the] Christian tradition itself. Now it has come to a crux, so I can tell you about it. There recently was a book written by an Englishman I think, who has challenged the miracles of Christ, his immaculate conception and all these things. And, according to him, Paul [the apostle] never talked about it. You see I have to tell you the truth. I must tell you the truth. Now this gentleman Mr. Paul, when I saw him in the Bible I was surprised: " Who is this gentleman here? " He was himself a Jew who tortured Christians. He saw [to it] that Stephen was tortured. Then suddenly he gets a supra-conscious, some sort of an epileptic fit in that he sees some light and he becomes the organiser of Christianity. He had never met Christ! He was an intellectual and he intellectualised Christ and he established himself in the Bible. How is he there? What he did was to write letters of organising God and tell the people because he wanted to go to the Gentiles. He fought very much with Peter and there was no combination established because Peter was not an intellectual. So this Mr. Paul started a religion of his own and surprisingly Khalil Gibran had said the same thing that I am saying: " That who is this strange man, Mr. Paul? It would be like this epileptic boy talking of Sahaja Yoga. And not only that, Khalil Gibran also says that Paul is a person who does not know what he is talking about, he is not sure about himself. He said it very clearly in that book, " The Son of Man " . Please read it. A complete chapter [is there]. So this Peter was completely made into nothing by Paul and then he incarnated on this earth as Augustine and started this so-called 'tradition'. Now you will be surprised there is an Archbishop of Durham who says that all these things are hallucinations of the disciples and that there was no immaculate conception and there was no miracles of christ. [it is] because intellectuals can't understand these things. Now this church where they bestowed upon him a very great honour, that church was burnt by a great fall of a lightning within; absolutely burnt on top. So the Archbishop says that it was God's grace that the walls did not burn. I tell you that not only [did] Christ have an immaculate conception, but every miracle He did is a fact! And He is the Truth and can be established when you come to Sahaja Yoga; that He is such a great truth that all these false people who try to malign him.... and to challenge Christ is a very dangerous thing, because you must know He has eleven destroying powers which are called in Sanskrit as Ekadesha Rudra. He is the great incarnation of Mahavishnu. He is innocence personified. He has all the powers of innocence and who can challenge Him? Unless and until one has realization, one can't understand Christ. So many people are shattered. Their faith is shattered the way these intellectuals have taken over the tradition, 'so-called-tradition' of Christianity. But it is true [that] the Holy Spirit can bless people and the Kundalini rises when the Holy Ghost blesses the people; so the Kundalini rises because of that. It's a fact! But they don't know. They did not even explain it any way, because they don't know anything about it. They don't know. They have no knowledge about it. They did not even explain that when the Holy Ghost blessed the disciples, what language they were speaking and what they were doing that people thought they were mad. [it was] because the Holy Ghost blessed them and they felt the cool breeze and they started talking the language of the centres, as we talk. Not that somebody started speaking in German; somebody started speaking in Sanskrit. It is only possible that these things happen, when you get 'possessed'. But they got their realisation and they started to speak the Divine language of the centres. And when these powers are felt, then you start moving your hands in the deftness of it. You know how to use these hands. You know how to raise the Kundalini. The hands start moving and that's why people thought they were mad! But I move in a society of another kind as you know and in that I meet many ambassadors and great intellectuals, and they all say that these disciples of Christ were all stupid fools because they have not been to universities. What university did Christ go to? This is how it is a big chasm now, between the people who feel Christ is the embodiment of Divinity and those who are intellectuals of this kind who are challenging Christ. But Sahaja Yoga can prove that Christ resides on this centre of Agnya there at the cross; because when the Kundalini stops at that point, at the Agnya point, you have to take the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Then the Kundalini rises in its dignity. That is the gate He [Christ Jesus] said. So now as far as the tradition is concerned, I'm rather doubtful how the tradition took over every religion. Even Hinduism is like that. Islam is the same. Any religion you take [to], the tradition is nothing but the tradition of going down, down, down, down. If it was a right tradition, there would have been no problem. Todsy we have so many churches, so many fightings. You see the Vatican [involved] in the Mafia and the Mafia [involved] in the banks. I can't understand! But Christ, you gave Him the thorn to be adorned on his crown. What kind of crown [are] these people wearing? In India also, we have now started another kind of competition with your crowns. So somebody is making a big umbrella of gold. I must say [that a] crown is alright - they are wise, but an umbrella is dangerous. They are playing with Divinity. They have no sense that God Almighty has a tremendous wrath for such people. The religion of Christianity or any religion is the religion of the living God. At different times, there were great flowers on the " Tree of Life " , but we plucked them and said " this is mine; this is mine " and we are fighting the dead. But in Sahaja Yoga, you will know the beauty of all these great prophets and you will be amazed how they have enriched us; all of them. So now, I think our question--needed a lot of explanations and thank God I could say it in Vienna. (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Christian tradition and Christ - Formal Talk - Vienna, Austria - 8 September, 1984) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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