The Pentecostal Speaking in Tongues is debunked by Shri Mataji

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

Do we remember that Apostle Paul said that: " I speak in tongues more than ye

all " ? Here it is:

 

" I thank God I speak in tongues more than you all " . (I Corinthians 14:18)

 

Well, Shri Mataji well and truly 'debunks' Paul.

 

Shri Mataji also tells what are some of the problems in religions today.

 

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QUESTION: Shri Mataji, in the Christian tradition we have heard that the Holy

Spirit is something which comes from outside and now You said it is something

which is inside.

 

SHRI MATAJI: It is a controversial thing, [yet] it is [in the] Christian

tradition itself. Now it has come to a crux, so I can tell you about it. There

recently was a book written by an Englishman I think, who has challenged the

miracles of Christ, his immaculate conception and all these things. And,

according to him, Paul [the apostle] never talked about it. You see I have to

tell you the truth. I must tell you the truth. Now this gentleman Mr. Paul, when

I saw him in the Bible I was surprised: " Who is this gentleman here? " He was

himself a Jew who tortured Christians. He saw [to it] that Stephen was tortured.

Then suddenly he gets a supra-conscious, some sort of an epileptic fit in that

he sees some light and he becomes the organiser of Christianity. He had never

met Christ! He was an intellectual and he intellectualised Christ and he

established himself in the Bible. How is he there? What he did was to write

letters of organising God and tell the people because he wanted to go to the

Gentiles. He fought very much with Peter and there was no combination

established because Peter was not an intellectual. So this Mr. Paul started a

religion of his own and surprisingly Khalil Gibran had said the same thing that

I am saying: " That who is this strange man, Mr. Paul? It would be like this

epileptic boy talking of Sahaja Yoga. And not only that, Khalil Gibran also says

that Paul is a person who does not know what he is talking about, he is not sure

about himself. He said it very clearly in that book, " The Son of Man " . Please

read it. A complete chapter [is there]. So this Peter was completely made into

nothing by Paul and then he incarnated on this earth as Augustine and started

this so-called 'tradition'.

 

Now you will be surprised there is an Archbishop of Durham who says that all

these things are hallucinations of the disciples and that there was no

immaculate conception and there was no miracles of christ. [it is] because

intellectuals can't understand these things. Now this church where they bestowed

upon him a very great honour, that church was burnt by a great fall of a

lightning within; absolutely burnt on top. So the Archbishop says that it was

God's grace that the walls did not burn.

 

I tell you that not only [did] Christ have an immaculate conception, but every

miracle He did is a fact! And He is the Truth and can be established when you

come to Sahaja Yoga; that He is such a great truth that all these false people

who try to malign him.... and to challenge Christ is a very dangerous thing,

because you must know He has eleven destroying powers which are called in

Sanskrit as Ekadesha Rudra. He is the great incarnation of Mahavishnu. He is

innocence personified. He has all the powers of innocence and who can challenge

Him? Unless and until one has realization, one can't understand Christ.

 

So many people are shattered. Their faith is shattered the way these

intellectuals have taken over the tradition, 'so-called-tradition' of

Christianity.

 

But it is true [that] the Holy Spirit can bless people and the Kundalini rises

when the Holy Ghost blesses the people; so the Kundalini rises because of that.

It's a fact! But they don't know. They did not even explain it any way, because

they don't know anything about it. They don't know. They have no knowledge about

it. They did not even explain that when the Holy Ghost blessed the disciples,

what language they were speaking and what they were doing that people thought

they were mad. [it was] because the Holy Ghost blessed them and they felt the

cool breeze and they started talking the language of the centres, as we talk.

Not that somebody started speaking in German; somebody started speaking in

Sanskrit. It is only possible that these things happen, when you get

'possessed'. But they got their realisation and they started to speak the Divine

language of the centres. And when these powers are felt, then you start moving

your hands in the deftness of it. You know how to use these hands. You know how

to raise the Kundalini. The hands start moving and that's why people thought

they were mad!

 

But I move in a society of another kind as you know and in that I meet many

ambassadors and great intellectuals, and they all say that these disciples of

Christ were all stupid fools because they have not been to universities. What

university did Christ go to? This is how it is a big chasm now, between the

people who feel Christ is the embodiment of Divinity and those who are

intellectuals of this kind who are challenging Christ. But Sahaja Yoga can prove

that Christ resides on this centre of Agnya there at the cross; because when the

Kundalini stops at that point, at the Agnya point, you have to take the name of

Our Lord Jesus Christ. Then the Kundalini rises in its dignity. That is the gate

He [Christ Jesus] said.

 

So now as far as the tradition is concerned, I'm rather doubtful how the

tradition took over every religion. Even Hinduism is like that. Islam is the

same. Any religion you take [to], the tradition is nothing but the tradition of

going down, down, down, down. If it was a right tradition, there would have been

no problem. Todsy we have so many churches, so many fightings. You see the

Vatican [involved] in the Mafia and the Mafia [involved] in the banks. I can't

understand!

 

But Christ, you gave Him the thorn to be adorned on his crown. What kind of

crown [are] these people wearing? In India also, we have now started another

kind of competition with your crowns. So somebody is making a big umbrella of

gold. I must say [that a] crown is alright - they are wise, but an umbrella is

dangerous. They are playing with Divinity. They have no sense that God Almighty

has a tremendous wrath for such people. The religion of Christianity or any

religion is the religion of the living God. At different times, there were great

flowers on the " Tree of Life " , but we plucked them and said " this is mine; this

is mine " and we are fighting the dead. But in Sahaja Yoga, you will know the

beauty of all these great prophets and you will be amazed how they have enriched

us; all of them. So now, I think our question--needed a lot of explanations and

thank God I could say it in Vienna.

 

(Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Christian tradition and Christ - Formal Talk -

Vienna, Austria - 8 September, 1984)