Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 , " Violet " <violet.tubb wrote: Shri Mataji: " You become so powerful 'within' that the effect of this catching is very little; you [actually] just record this effect. This is the third state, which you can only rise to with complete faith. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) Dear All, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi states that when we have complete faith, that we become so powerful 'within' that we 'catch' very little, and actually just record this effect: " You become so powerful 'within' that the effect of this catching is very little; you [actually] just record this effect. This is the third state, which you can only rise to, with complete faith. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) [shri Mataji Nirmala has also taught, that 'the knower' that records everything, is the Kundalini!]: " So, we know that, there is a knower and the knower knows all about you [and] is tape recording all that you have been doing; your seeking, your mistakes, your turbulence, all kinds of things you have done. And that tape recorder is placed down below there in the triangular bone and is called the KUNDALINI. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk/Advice - Brighton, U.K. - 15 November 1979) [i have heard Christian ministers refer to what they call as a 'Recording Angel', which is connected to Judgment Time, and they say that this 'Recording Angel' records all our actions and thoughts, whether positive or negative, and that we will be judged upon the result. Here is an excerpt from a Jewish Encyclopedia, that describes in external terminology, what, 'in reality' must be an external reference to the internal action of the Kundalini. Perhaps, it is the Kundalini that is the 'Recording Angel', because Shri Mataji has stated that we 'judge ourself' at this Resurrection and Last Judgment Time]: RECORDING ANGEL: By : Kaufmann Kohler Judah David Eisenstein The angel that, in popular belief, records the deeds of all individuals for future reward or punishment. The keeping of a general account between man and his Maker is represented by Akiba thus: " Man buys in an open shop where the dealer gives credit; the ledger is open, and the hand writes " (Abot iii. 20). Citing, " He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work " (Job xxxvii. 7), R. Shila said, " Two attending angels follow man as witnesses, and when a man dies all his deeds are enumerated, with place and date of occurrence, and the man himself indorses the statement " (Ta'an. 11a). Again, citing Mal. iii. 16 ( " and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord " ), R.Shila said, " Whenever two discuss the Law their words are recorded above " (Ber. 6a). All prayers are recorded in heaven by the angels (See Prayer). The principal recording angel appears to be Gabriel, " the man clothed with linen, " whom God ordered to place a sign upon the foreheads of the men in Jerusalem who were to be spared (Ezek. ix. 4; see Shab. 55a). The entry in the royal annals recording the meritorious act of Mordecai in saving the life of Ahasuerus was said to have been erased by the royal secretary Shimshai, an enemy of the Jews, and to have been restored by Gabriel, the champion of Israel, which incident brought about the fall of Haman and the victory of the Jews (Meg. 16a; Rashi ad loc.). See Elijah; Enoch; Eschatology.K. J. D. E. " (http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=156 & letter=R) Appended is Part 3 of 'On becoming what we are meant to become'. love and best wishes to all, violet 'On becoming what we are meant to become' - Part 3 [if we recall, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi described 'the mixture state' like this]: " Now we have the situation, whereby people are clinging to their realisation, and on the other hand, they are analysing everything! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi further states that faith and protocol go together, however She says that if a person only learns the protocol, but doesn't have the 'faith' along with the 'protocol'.... that they will end up 'feeling bad' due to this 'mixture state']: Shri Mataji: " You have to learn certain things about faith. One of them is the protocol. If you have faith while learning the protocol, you will not feel bad. But if you're forced into it [the protocol] while the 'mixture state' is still going on, you will feel bad about it. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi then explains that in order to develop faith, we have to 'tell ourself' certain things. (This is popularly called 'self-talk'). Shri Mataji describes how we must rationally and clearly, tell ourself certain things]: Shri Mataji: " So to develop faith, you first have to tell yourself rationally [and] clearly: " Don't you see this happening? Can't you see it rising? Can't you understand? Isn't it dynamic?! " Just sit down and think how wonderful it is, how great it is!!! Just talk to the ocean, talk to the flowers - they are better than many human beings - and tell them, " Don't you think so? " Go to the museum and tell all the statues, " I've found it!!! I've got it!!! " " Tell yourself " .... so [that by] telling yourself, you'll develop faith! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi states that there is 'no way out' or 'no getting away with' not telling ourself certain things, if we are to 'grow our faith']: " There's no way out [of 'telling oneself']. Many people have asked me this question: " How do I develop faith? " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi states that, it is absurd that people can know about the Kundalini, are giving realisation to others, yet turn around and ask Her how to develop their faith!]: Shri Mataji: " Now, it is such an absurd thing that you know about the kundalini, you are giving realisaton [to others], and [yet] turn around and ask: " Mother, how do we develop faith?! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) [This has been written in the English way, with the meaning of what Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has given, being retained] > , > " Violet " <violet.tubb@> wrote: > > Shri Mataji: " Faith is not faith just because I'm saying [something], because just saying something is 'blind faith'... whereas when you have seen [the evidence for] it, it is not a 'blind faith'!! But what is this?! That when you have seen [the evidence for] it, that you still don't believe it?! What should i call this, when you definitely know that this is happening, but you still don't believe it?! > > Faith is opening your eyes much more to what it is, and accepting that 'it is so'. If you believe that 'it is so'... that is faith. And then, faith must grow! Imagine believing that faith is blindness'?! (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) > > > Dear All, > > Here is the continuation of Part 2 of " On Becoming, what we are meant to become " . > > regards to all, > > violet > > > [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has explained that 'real' faith is not a 'blind' faith, but is based upon the evidence of what we have witnessed and experienced, so that we will become much more aware of what it's all about. She says it is at this stage that our faith must grow. She goes as far as to say, that nothing but our power of faith will help us, and that this power of faith is our 'becoming' power]: > > Shri Mataji: " At this stage, it is nothing but the power of faith that will help you. The power of faith is the greatest 'becoming' power, because then you realise that whatever you had known so far, had been of no value! This is something so great, so gigantic, so dynamic, so 'out of the blue', which you have never known before, that you become bewildered, and then [in that bewilderment], you start having faith! (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) > > [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi says that we are 'in Her' and that She is 'in us'. She says that we can see/know this, because when we move our hands over our subtle energy body, prior to meditation, it puts us in a balanced state, ready for meditation. She also states that we can know She is in us, and we are in Her, because when She blows Her breath on Her hands, we can feel that. Christ also breathed on his disciples, and said " Receive the Holy Spirit " . (ref: John 20:19-22) > > (http://holyspirit-shekinah.org/9_holy_spirit_and_the_breath.htm)]: > > Shri Mataji: " Now then, when I say that 'just put your hands like this' and put a bhandan (see illustration in " Instructions on how to meditate daily on His Spirit/Shakti " at http://www.adishakti.org/self- realization.htm)..... it works!!! Then you also start seeing that when Mother does like this (blowing on Her hand to Herself)..... we all feel it. Then we start feeling that we are in Her, and She is in us, and we become aware of our 'wholesomeness' and that She [our individual Mother Within] is our wholesomeness!!! [That is] when our faith starts growing!!! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) > > [shri Mataji states that the abovementioned cannot be ascertained, and therefore cannot be analysed. Let's recall that She had stated that we of the West, have analysed our chakras 'to death']: > > Shri Mataji: " However, although you are now feeling your chakras and their problems, you are again analysing them! This tendancy to analyse everything, is the biggest problem in the West. Give them any problem at all, and they will start to analyse it, until it drives them absolutely mad! Analysis is just the biggest thing, however this constant analysing is just driving them " mad " !!! > > Now we have the situation, whereby people are clinging to their realisation, and on the other hand, they are analysing everything! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) > > [so we cannot analyse the abovementioned, whereby we are 'in Her' and She is 'in us'!!!]: > > Shri Mataji: Then we start feeling that we are in Her, and She is in us, and we become aware of our 'wholesomeness' and that She [our individual Mother Within] is our wholesomeness!!! [That is] when our faith starts growing!!! You cannot realise [mentally ascertain] this, as it is beyond analysis! You can only realise [mentally ascertain] 'dead things'. You cannot realise [mentally ascertain] 'living things'. This is beyond 'living' [things], so you cannot realise it [mentally ascertain it], so you start surrendering. " > (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) > > [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi describes what happens, when a person starts 'surrendering' to the Divine Within/the Holy Spirit Within/the individual Mother Within (whichever you prefer to call it)]: > > Shri Mataji: " When you start surrendering and the faith comes in, then your awareness rises even higher, and the small, small, little, little things, which have become subtler, start departing from you. This is the third state, whereby you can see [witness] the three gunas [tendencies], but they do not affect you. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) > > [For those who do not understand what 'gunas' means, here is a description given from the 'Sankhya philosophy']: > > " In Samkhya philosophy, a Guna is one of three " tendencies " : tamas, sattva, and rajas. These categories have become a common means of categorizing behavior and natural phenomena in Hindu philosophy, and also in Ayurvedic medicine, as a system to assess conditions and diets. Guna is the tendency of the mind and not the state. For instance, Sattva guna is that force which tends to bring the mind to purity, but is not purity itself. Similarly Rajas is that force which tends to bring the mind to perform some action, but is not action itself. Sattva (originally " being, existence, entity " ) has been translated to mean balance, order, or purity. This typically implies that a person with more of Sattva has a positive or even orderly state of mind. Such a person is psychologically kind, calm, alert and thoughtful. " (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guna) > > [shri Mataji again summarizes the three 'states' that She has mentioned]: > > Shri Mataji: " So in the first state, you have 'desire'. In the second state, which is a very big thing, you see the desire 'being fulfilled', but all these subtleties are [still] mixed up within you. In the third state you see [witness] them, but they do not affect you! You see [witness] 'catching' ['the experiencing of psychosomatic blocks/chakra blockages'] but you do not call catching, catching. You call it 'recording', because you realise you are an instrument that is just recording, and the effect becomes very small... very small! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) > > [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi then states, that a person becomes so powerful, that the effect of this 'catching' is miniscule. She says that it is only by faith that is not 'blind', that a person can rise up to this state, which is the 'third state']: > > Shri Mataji: " You become so powerful 'within' that the effect of this catching is very little; you [actually] just record this effect. This is the third state, which you can only rise to with complete faith. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) > > [This has been written in the English way, with the meaning of what Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has given, being retained] > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi gave Sahaja Yogis knowledge in 1980 at > Alresford (pronounced as " Alsford " ), that many of us have not yet > had the privilege to read and contemplate. Someone has just sent me > a copy of what Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has taught regarding > 'becoming' what we are meant to become... (thanks Sharmilla!). Shri > Mataji talked deeply about this process of 'becoming', whereby > initially there was only this 'spiritual desire' in us, but this > 'spiritual desire' has become a 'leap in consciousness'! For those > who have experienced this 'leap in consciousness', we know that it > is unprecedented, because we could not get the same from religion, > ministers, or books, no matter how hard and desperately we tried!!! > For a start, this leap in consciousness, washes our inner garments > [a.k.a. the psychosomatic system/subtle system] whiter than snow!!! > i know this as a fact, because i have seen the evidence, from an > Aura Photograph! Once this connection with the " Divine Within " takes > place, which Sahaja Yogis call " self-realisation " , we are in a > position to have many subtle, beautiful gnostic understandings, > which i call " Self " realisation, that emerges from our union with > the Divine within ourselves. And then, in Shri Mataji's own words, > " The faith must grow!!! " > > > > What Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has taught at Alresford, England, > has been written 'in the English way', with the meaning of what She > has given, being retained. > > > > My desire is that we may all become, what we are meant to become!!! > > > > love and best wishes to all, > > > > violet > > > > > > > > On Becoming, what we are meant to become... > > > > Shri Mataji: It is only because I have given you [spiritual] > birth, that you can cure others, give speeches in [the union of] > Sahaja Yoga, know your own problems, your own surroundings, and > cleanse yourself and others. Nobody could have done it [as > comprehensively] before, in that you have gotten everything in the > one package!!! What a leap [in consciousness] from your very first > awareness of spiritual desire! Things that seemed strange [to you] > at first, have now subtly and beautifully formed within you! > > > > However, although you are now feeling your chakras and their > problems, you are again analysing them! This tendancy to analyse > everything, is the biggest problem in the West. Give them any > problem at all, and they will start to analyse it, until it drives > them absolutely mad! Analysis is just the biggest thing, however > this constant analysing is just driving them " mad " !!! > > > > Now we have the situation, whereby people are clinging to their > realisation, and on the other hand, they are analysing everything!: > the legs get analysed; the feet get analysed; even the nails get > analysed! They've even taken the microscope to see and make sure > that the legs are actually being used to climb upwards!!! You see, > the whole purpose [of your realisation] is lost, when you start > identifying with whatever was hanging on to you. Instead, you should > be saying " Finished! Done! I'm now another person! " > > > > The greatest thing in this [new] awareness of yours, when you are > realised, is that the person that was there, is dead, finished, and > gone!!!: " I'm a different person now. " People find it difficult to > accept that, because their ego does not allow them to. The ego says: > " Oh God, how can that be? " > > > > I mean............ to say that you are transformed completely!! > Can you imagine!! You can give realisation to people!!! (Shri Mataji > Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) > > > > [shri Mataji says that when She tells people this, they say, " Oh I > know this " , and then they run away, because nobody will believe that > it is true. She says that Sahaja Yogis can give Self realisation to > people, but they just don't 'believe' that they can!!! She gives an > example, of what She is talking about]: > > > > Shri Mataji: This yogi said, " Mother, how can that be? " He has > been working as a yogi for so many years, but to begin with, he > would not believe it was possible, that he could give > realisation! (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, > England - 18 May 1980) > > > > [it is perhaps not clear to some Sahaja Yogis ( " born of the > Spirit " ) persons that there is a difference between the connection > that Shri Mataji called " self-realisation " and the gnostic > experience that She also calls " Self " realisation.... or realising > our " Self " . Realising our " Self " fully, does not usually come with > the initial en'light'enment that is also called self-realisation, > but this initial connection or " union with the Divine within " , > enables us to fully realise the " Self " over time. This is a Gnostic > Experience that nobody can give to another person, because this can > only be experienced " from within " , through the deepening spiritual > work of meditation, contemplation, introspection, and faith in the > Divine Within!!! By meeting our individual Mother Within, whom Shri > Mataji Nirmala Devi incarnated to introduce us to, we start to > realise " the Self " !!! She (our individual Mother) guides us, once we > are in union with Her... once our individual spirit is in union with > the Holy Spirit!!! > > > > i know without a doubt, that the connection that is self- > realisation, washes a person's garments (a.k.a. subtle system or > psychosomatic system) as " white as snow " !!! The Scriptures teach > about this. Some of us yogis also witnessed this fact, at a Mind > Body Spirit Festival, as there was an Aura Photographer next to our > stall, and 3 people who had taken their 'before' and 'after' photos, > found that whereas before S.R. their photographs were multi- > coloured, but after their S.R. their photos were " pure white " !!! i > wonder if this was the 'whiteness' that Shri Mataji was subtly > referring to, when She said these enigmatic words]: > > > > Shri Mataji: " So what you have to do about 'Becoming', is to at > least believe [that] yes!!! You are giving realisation!!! After all, > you see it like a white cloth before you. Still, you say it's black, > Hurst Blue! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, > England - 18 May 1980) > > > > [i do not quite understand what Shri Mataji means by " Hurst Blue " . > i looked it up on the internet, and the closest understanding i can > get is that somehow, it might be connected to " the blues " , that is, > feeling a bit 'blue'. The following that Shri Mataji says, seems to > perhaps, bear that out]: > > > > Shri Mataji: " So these dealings with the 'Hurst Blue' is the worst > case [scenario]. You are giving realisation. See how [name withheld] > is supposed to be going to the psychiatrist. He can give realisation > to that psychiatrist! The doctor who is going to treat you; you can > give him realisation! Believe it! You can! But when [name withheld] > says this to the doctor, [name withheld] thinks, " Oh, he'll run > away. " But, at least " believe in yourself!!! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala > Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) > > > > [so, Shri Mataji uses the unlikely example above, of someone > having so much faith in himself, that he has the courage to tell the > psychiatrist that is going to treat him, that he can give the > psychiatrist " self-realisation " !!! However, it seems obvious that > Shri Mataji is using this illustration to reveal how much faith we > should have in our ability to give someone their " self-realisation " . > She calls this " faith " in one's Self]: > > > > Shri Mataji: " But at least 'believe' in yourself. This is the > place where you 'must' have faith; this faith, that you got > realisation through Sahaja Yoga [ " union with the Divine " ]... that > it's a tremendous power... that there is an all pervading power > which is absolutely dynamic... that you have that power flowing > through you... that you are giving realisation... and that your > [fellow human] brother is something special! (Shri Mataji Nirmala > Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) > > > > [in conclusion, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi explains what real faith > is, as compared to 'blind faith']: > > > > Shri Mataji: " Faith is not faith just because I'm saying > [something], because just saying something is 'blind faith'... > whereas when you have seen [the evidence for] it, it is not a 'blind > faith'!! But what is this?! That when you have seen [the evidence > for] it, that you still don't believe it?! What should i call this, > when you definitely know that this is happening, but you still don't > believe it?! > > > > Faith is opening your eyes much more to what it is, and accepting > that it is so. If you believe that 'it is so', that is faith. And > then, faith must grow. Imagine believing that faith is > 'blindness'?! (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old > Alresford, England - 18 May 1980) > > > > [This has been written in the English way, with the meaning of > what Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has given, being retained] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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