Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi tells what is the protocol of Sahaja Yoga

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" Violet " <violet.tubb@> wrote:

 

Shri Mataji: " You have to learn certain things about faith. One of them is the

protocol. If you have faith while learning the protocol, you will not feel bad.

But if you're forced into it [the protocol] while the 'mixture state' is still

going on, you will feel bad about it. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " -

Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980)

 

 

Dear All,

 

When we think of the word 'protocol', most Sahaja Yogis probably think of the

'external protocol', however the 'inner protocol' is the most important. For

example, with regard to the 'inner protocol' Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi states,

that we have to be the ideals of love and affection. As it says in the

Scriptures, 'without love or affection, any external protocol, is as a noisy

gong or a clanging cymbal':

 

" If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have

become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. Love is patient, love is kind, and is

not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly;

it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong

suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth,

bears all things, hopes all things, believes all things. " (I Corinthians

13:1;4-7)

 

[shri Mataji Nirmala Devi states that we have to be the ideals of love and

affection, and not of domination]:

 

Shri Mataji: " You have to be the ideals of love and affection, and not of

domination, and all such nonsense, as all of you will be the first Sahaja Yogis,

who are the ones who are going to change the complete concept of life. " (Shri

Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk/Advice, " Subconscious, Supraconscious and our

correct Foundations and Ideals " - Chelsham Road, London England - 24 May 1981)

 

[shri Mataji states that new ideas have to be 'built up' and She questions

whether Sahaja Yogis are really aware of their responsibilities, or whether they

are just being self-centred, and worrying too much about their 'catches'???!!!]

 

Shri Mataji: " New ideas have to be built up. Are you people really aware of your

responsibilities? Sometimes you are worried about yourselves only: 'Where am I

catching? What is happening to me?' This is " so self-centred " !!!... or...

[alternatively] are you worried about others?: 'He should not have done this or

that! He should not have sat next to Mother!' (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal

Talk/Advice, " Subconscious, Supraconscious and our correct Foundations and

Ideals " - Chelsham Road, London England - 24 May 1981)

 

[shri Mataji Nirmala Devi says that others may know more protocol or ritual, but

She does not care about that; She cares about the " one " who loves Her the

most!!!]

 

Shri Mataji: " Some people know more rituals; others know more protocol, but it

does not matter. I know the one who loves Me! The one who loves others, [also]

loves me the most! I don't care about your protocols and rituals! It is nonsense

for Me. What does it [protocols and rituals] matter to Me?! It makes no

difference whether you say 'Good Morning' or 'Good Evening' to Me! What you say

to your brothers and sisters, [however], is the important thing!!! " (Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk/Advice, " Subconscious, Supraconscious and our correct

Foundations and Ideals " - Chelsham Road, London England - 24 May 1981)

 

[shri Mataji Nirmala Devi states that Sahaja Yoga will never work, if a person

does not look after his relationships]:

 

" Sahaja Yoga will never work, if you do not look after your relationships, that

is, how you behave towards your wife, husband, brothers and sisters. That is the

most important thing, and anybody who does otherwise, will get out of Sahaja

Yoga [the organisation]. You know... I have thrown out the so-called 'important

people', out of [the organisation of] Sahaja Yoga, who tried to dominate others

by saying: 'This is not good. You should not have put your hand there. Don't put

your feet there'... etc. etc. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk/Advice,

" Subconscious, Supraconscious and our correct Foundations and Ideals " - Chelsham

Road, London England - 24 May 1981)

 

[shri Mataji Nirmala Devi asks the question: 'Who can know the protocol of the

Divine Mother'?]:

 

Shri Mataji: " Who can know the protocol of the Divine Mother?! You " cannot bind "

Me???!!! You cannot bind me into anything! I am unlimited. I am detached. To

think that you have attracted Me towards you, by your protocol, which is dead...

has no meaning. It has to be a 'living protocol' of being kind and generous; of

being a 'beautiful person', [however] some are lethargic. For example, a husband

who wants the wife to work all the time, or the wife who wants the husband to

work every time. Those who continually find faults with others, are not Sahaja

Yogis, but those who 'take to' Sahaja Yoga... are Sahaja Yogis! " (Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk/Advice, " Subconscious, Supraconscious and our correct

Foundations and Ideals " - Chelsham Road, London England - 24 May 1981)

 

[shri Mataji also questions a person's motives, in coming to Sahaja Yoga]:

 

Shri Mataji: " If somebody is not working, that person will go down. I will put

that person out of Sahaja Yoga. Why did you come to Sahaja Yoga? You are

seekers. You have been seeking for ages! Are you going to waste your life? In

any case, you have to sleep for most of your life. Why not work it out now? In

every way, be active. (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk/Advice,

" Subconscious, Supraconscious and our correct Foundations and Ideals " - Chelsham

Road, London England - 24 May 1981)

 

[shri Mataji goes into more detail, in regards to those who are not yet active

in Sahaja Yoga, but instead, are wasting their time]:

 

Shri Mataji: " Firstly you 'become real'... and then you become very good

citizens [of the Kingdom of God] with moral values, which are your foundation.

You judge yourself [as] you are realised souls. I leave it to you to judge

[yourself]! [However], you can also lose your vibrations, when you become silent

due to the negative forces from the left side of the Agnya Centre, which give

you [wrong] ideas. You must have your " own ideas " ! (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi -

Formal Talk/Advice, " Subconscious, Supraconscious and our correct Foundations

and Ideals " - Chelsham Road, London England - 24 May 1981)

 

[shri Mataji Nirmala Devi says that a person must have their own balanced

enlightened ideas [from the Centre]........... rather than having imbalanced

input from the left side, which leads to a person becoming 'morosely silent'

towards others (thus not able to be active in Sahaja Yoga)........... or they

may be having inbalanced input from the right side, leading to 'shameless

highhanded' ideas towards others. For both types, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

strongly advocates drastic external measures. Here is what She says]:

 

Shri Mataji: " You must have your own ideas... [not the] nonsense of: " I can't! I

go on thinking " !!! Just tell yourself: " How dare I do all this nonsense of the

left side? " Those who are left-sided, had better then go for lemon treatment and

shoebeating. Those who are right-sided, had better then shoe-beat 108 times [in

order to] get themselves into the Centre. You really should love yourself,

cleanse yourself, and be in the Centre. You should never be proud of your ego

saying to you: " I think this is correct " . So, shoebeat yourself 108 times, as

you can be very highhanded and then you have no embarrassment regarding what you

are doing. But you are a Sahaja Yogi [and] therefore, you should feel

embarrassed about such things! There should be a little 'sankoch'; there should

be reservations about it! How can you say certain things to others?! Why hurt

others?! [That is how] the Agnya bloats more and more, and so many [of you] are

like that!!! i know [exactly] when someone tries to show off, [and in] trying to

be a guru, [is then] pushing others down [instead]!!! (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

- Formal Talk/Advice, " Subconscious, Supraconscious and our correct Foundations

and Ideals " - Chelsham Road, London England - 24 May 1981)

 

[shri Mataji reveals what 'the great ones' say to themselves, from out of the

ideas of their imbalanced right-sidednes]:

 

" Oh, I know Sahaja Yoga! I am a great Sahaja Yogi!. "

 

[shri Mataji Nirmala Devi says that She then makes their 'ego-horns' come out]:

 

Shri Mataji: " Then I make their 'ego-horns' come out. You can feel it jutting

out of your head! Push it down [as] this is the 'sticking point' [that] though

the balloon [of ego] goes thin, it [still] sticks on. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

- Formal Talk/Advice, " Subconscious, Supraconscious and our correct Foundations

and Ideals " - Chelsham Road, London England - 24 May 1981)

 

[shri Mataji Nirmala Devi asks how ones who are realised, enlightened, and who

are therefore 'Buddhas'... can have ego???!!!]:

 

Shri Mataji: " You are all Buddhas. Buddha is 'the one' who is realised... the

one who is enlightened... the one who knows! You are enlightened ones. How can

you have ego?! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk/Advice, " Subconscious,

Supraconscious and our correct Foundations and Ideals " - Chelsham Road, London

England - 24 May 1981)

 

[shri Mataji Nirmala says that the ego and superego are the greatest enemies]:

 

Shri Mataji: " The ego and the superego are the greatest enemies. I have seen

people who suffer from the superego. You push it down, and it goes to the ego.

Especially in the West, we have the greatest problem, that whatever appeals to

the ego, we run towards that, and that is how people are made 'mad' by these

gurus. They say you can fly, so you try that! Someone else says that you will

become powerful, so you go for that! Yet somebody else, will tell you that you

will become a great guru, so you go into that! Yet nobody says that you have to

become the Spirit, and become One with the Whole! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi -

Formal Talk/Advice, " Subconscious, Supraconscious and our correct Foundations

and Ideals " - Chelsham Road, London England - 24 May 1981)

 

[shri Mataji reveals that when She says Sahaja Yogis are great, this is to

create the awareness of the Self in us, not to further bloat the ego!]:

 

Shri Mataji: When I say... 'you are realised, you are great, you are saints'...

I say that to create awareness within you. [However], your ideals have all been

full of ego!!! See Churchill standing there, with a stick in his hand?! The

complete body looks like the ego! We have to form new ideals! He [Churchill] was

alright for meeting another ego, called Hitler. So it was alright to break their

heads [that are full of ego] together! But now we need new ideals! The past is

over now! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk/Advice, " Subconscious,

Supraconscious and our correct Foundations and Ideals " - Chelsham Road, London

England - 24 May 1981)

 

[shri Mataji Nirmala Devi teaches how to have new ideals, and leave the old ways

behind]:

 

Shri Mataji: " When there is a flood, you need boats to carry you across [the

river], but after reaching the shore, you don't carry the boats with you.

Instead, you leave them behind, as once these boats have done their job, they're

of no use to you. Then we just have to go ahead, on our own two feet! Therefore,

there should be no bloating of the ego, as we should realise that we aren't

exceptional, but that it's just our ego blowing up! [The truth is] you have to

" be " the ideals! You have to " be " in the Centre! You have to " be " a Sahaja Yogi

[ " Born of the Spirit " ]. That is the important thing! (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi -

Formal Talk/Advice, " Subconscious, Supraconscious and our correct Foundations

and Ideals " - Chelsham Road, London England - 24 May 1981)

 

[Here are some further 'quite unique' advice and/or comments from Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi]:

 

" Don't judge yourself by what you think of yourself, but by what Mother thinks

of you. How much joy are you giving to your [individual] Mother [within]? If you

make " Her " unhappy, what's the use? " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal

Talk/Advice, " Subconscious, Supraconscious and our correct Foundations and

Ideals " - Chelsham Road, London England - 24 May 1981)

 

" You must have noticed that there are really very few true seekers in this

world. Seekers must also realise that they cannot be happy with anything else

but their Spirit, which is the test of a [true] seeker. A non-seeker can never

understand a [true] seeker. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk/Advice,

" Subconscious, Supraconscious and our correct Foundations and Ideals " - Chelsham

Road, London England - 24 May 1981)

 

" It is very difficult to live with a man or woman who is not a seeker, because

you catch all the bad points, and you suffer. If the person has ego, you catch

it on your Agnya. Nothing happens to him [though]. He is very nicely off. He has

his ego intact, and he is torturing you. But it is better if the person is a

seeker, because you can give him realisation, and your vibratory awareness can

be shared. But to be with a non-seeker, can be a very difficult situation. "

(Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk/Advice, " Subconscious, Supraconscious

and our correct Foundations and Ideals " - Chelsham Road, London England - 24 May

1981)

 

" You cannot make [your] fruit into [someone else's] flower. In your case, you

have become the fruit, but you must have a flower around, for it to become the

fruit! Those who are entangled with problems like 'my father', 'my mother', 'my

brother' and 'my son', etc. should learn not to get entangled with such

problems. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk/Advice, " Subconscious,

Supraconscious and our correct Foundations and Ideals " - Chelsham Road, London

England - 24 May 1981)

 

" Those who are not flowers, should be avoided, forgotten about, and lost,

because the more you try to improve them, the more entangled you will become.

They can never improve. I give everyone a big rope [of liberty]. If they are not

seekers, they they will never be seekers, and you cannot inject seeking into

them. They may become materially well-off, but they can never become seekers, so

just forget about them. [Otherwise, if you don't forget about them] you may have

to suffer because of them, for if they catch... you will suffer. [For example],

if they have a nabhi chakra catch, you are the one who will suffer. This kind of

a person is difficult to change, so do not waste your energy. Christ said: " Do

not cast your pearls before swine. " You cannot force anyone to become a seeker.

There are millions of seekers in the world, so forget about such relationships.

They may call you 'mad', 'crazy' or some other thing, but they will realise one

thing... that you lead a much better life than they do. You are much more

peaceful, blissful, dharmic and sane, but they won't accept your life. [You can]

play around with them, with the understanding that they cannot change, however

even if they [do] change mentally, they cannot have the urge of a seeker,

because nothing is more important than 'seeking' to the seeker!!! (Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk/Advice, " Subconscious, Supraconscious and our correct

Foundations and Ideals " - Chelsham Road, London England - 24 May 1981)

 

 

[in conclusion, these are the questions that Sahaja Yogis asked Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi... and the answers that She gave]:

 

Question: What about the people who are good people, not seekers, but who have

got realisation, but don't seem to see the significance of Sahaja Yoga?

 

Shri Mataji: They will go out of circulation. Sahaja Yoga rejects more than it

accepts. It is a judgment going on. Such people will go out of realisation. You

can talk to them of realisation, give them bandhans, etc. for they are the

people in whom you could be interested, but they are lost, otherwise. By

example, butter is made out of curd by churning. A little butter comes out, and

the rest is butter-milk. To separate it, a big lump of butter is put into the

butter-milk and when it is churned, all the butter collects around that big lump

and gathers into a large lump of butter. However, some particles of butter are

left behind. If they do not stick to the larger lump of butter, they are thrown

away with the butter-milk. [similarly] those who do not come to Sahaja Yoga

[their " Union with the Divine " ] and are not 'up to the mark', will

[unfortunately] be thrown out. It is a fact, but you should have 'nirpekshita'

(no attachment) to such people. (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk/Advice,

" Subconscious, Supraconscious and our correct Foundations and Ideals " - Chelsham

Road, London England - 24 May 1981)

 

[This is the answer Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi gave 'in answer' to another

question]:

 

" Psychologists say that the mind is limited, that is, whatever action we perform

through the mind only... is limited. The mind has limited energy also, so it

cannot take you to the unlimited. So something has to take place that goes

beyond the limits of the mind... and that can only be something spontaneous!!!

Now see the confusion?! Because that question can only be answered on the mental

level!!!

 

What is the basic difference between the Divine and the human being? How does

one convince ordinary human beings of Sahaja Yoga and the Divine? (They are

doubting you, as you are doubting them!) The simple answer is, that whatever you

do with your mind like shouting, howling, jumping, etc, can be done by the

limited mind. So someone who is of a 'human agency' and not of the Divine

[Agency] cannot make your Kundalini pulsate with their mind! What the Divine

does... must 'of necessity' be something 'extra-ordinary' that human beings

cannot do! To pulsate the Kundalini is only possible for the Divine. Man can do

'dead actions'... but man cannot activate a Living Force! So what is the need to

go to gurus, if they just make you perform the limited actions of the mind?! You

can always shout, howl and jump without them, but you cannot make the Kundalini

pulsate.

 

The Divine does something which you cannot do. You cannot make the cool breezes

flow from your hand. So, if you go beyond the mind, it has to be something

extraordinary; something different. 'The limited' and 'the unlimited' are two

different dimensions. The secret of your Mother's Maya, is that I live in the

unlimited [dimension] and I do unlimited things. That is how I create Maya. You

can only know me through knowing your vibratory awareness. If you put your hand

on the head of someone, nobody will make you shake. So the Divine force is

something that human beings cannot do through their mind.

 

I repeat: " You cannot pulsate the Kundalini " . It is a Living Force and human

beings cannot create or generate life. They cannot make the pupils dilate when

the Kundalini rises. As ordinary human beings and so-called gurus cannot feel

the vibrations, you cannot talk of vibratory awareness with them. But you can

see [the vibrations] with your naked eyes. They cannot make the cool breezes

come out of your head. This is something extraordinary.

 

What I can do with 'the limited' is to make [things] myself. I can also do 'the

unlimited' which is the aspect of the " Divine Mother " . In the same way, you are

'limited', but now you have jumped into 'the unlimited', which is why you can do

all these things. That is why you are saints. The things you can do in 'the

unlimited', you could not have done before realisation. [in other words], you

have started doing something that you could not have done before, that is, you

can now raise your Kundalini, and the Kundalini of other people!!!

 

The gurus, 'so-called'... can shout, howl, jump and do all these things, but

they cannot raise the Kundalini of the people, by which the person will get

their cure and change of mental attitude, etc. We can say, that all other things

[apart from Kundalini awakening], are arbitrary [means 'arising from accident

rather than from the general rule'] and subjective. (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi -

Formal Talk/Advice, " Subconscious, Supraconscious and our correct Foundations

and Ideals " - Chelsham Road, London England - 24 May 1981)

 

[This has been written in the English way, with the meaning of what Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi gave, being retained.]

 

 

 

 

Shri Mataji: " You become so powerful 'within' that the effect of

this catching is very little; you [actually] just record this effect.

This is the third state, which you can only rise to with complete

faith. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford,

England - 18 May 1980)

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi states that when we have complete faith,

that we become so powerful 'within' that we 'catch' very little, and

actually just record this effect:

>

> " You become so powerful 'within' that the effect of this catching

is very little; you [actually] just record this effect. This is the

third state, which you can only rise to, with complete faith. " (Shri

Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May

1980)

>

> [shri Mataji Nirmala has also taught, that 'the knower' that

records everything, is the Kundalini!]:

>

> " So, we know that, there is a knower and the knower knows all about

you [and] is tape recording all that you have been doing; your

seeking, your mistakes, your turbulence, all kinds of things you have

done. And that tape recorder is placed down below there in the

triangular bone and is called the KUNDALINI. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala

Devi - Formal Talk/Advice - Brighton, U.K. - 15 November 1979)

>

> [i have heard Christian ministers refer to what they call as a

'Recording Angel', which is connected to Judgment Time, and they say

that this 'Recording Angel' records all our actions and thoughts,

whether positive or negative, and that we will be judged upon the

result. Here is an excerpt from a Jewish Encyclopedia, that describes

in external terminology, what, 'in reality' must be an external

reference to the internal action of the Kundalini. Perhaps, it is the

Kundalini that is the 'Recording Angel', because Shri Mataji has

stated that we 'judge ourself' at this Resurrection and Last Judgment

Time]:

>

> RECORDING ANGEL: By : Kaufmann Kohler Judah David Eisenstein

>

> The angel that, in popular belief, records the deeds of all

individuals for future reward or punishment. The keeping of a general

account between man and his Maker is represented by Akiba thus: " Man

buys in an open shop where the dealer gives credit; the ledger is

open, and the hand writes " (Abot iii. 20). Citing, " He sealeth up the

hand of every man; that all men may know his work " (Job xxxvii. 7),

R. Shila said, " Two attending angels follow man as witnesses, and

when a man dies all his deeds are enumerated, with place and date of

occurrence, and the man himself indorses the statement " (Ta'an. 11a).

Again, citing Mal. iii. 16 ( " and a book of remembrance was written

before him for them that feared the Lord " ), R.Shila said, " Whenever

two discuss the Law their words are recorded above " (Ber. 6a).

>

> All prayers are recorded in heaven by the angels (See Prayer). The

principal recording angel appears to be Gabriel, " the man clothed

with linen, " whom God ordered to place a sign upon the foreheads of

the men in Jerusalem who were to be spared (Ezek. ix. 4; see Shab.

55a). The entry in the royal annals recording the meritorious act of

Mordecai in saving the life of Ahasuerus was said to have been erased

by the royal secretary Shimshai, an enemy of the Jews, and to have

been restored by Gabriel, the champion of Israel, which incident

brought about the fall of Haman and the victory of the Jews (Meg.

16a; Rashi ad loc.). See Elijah; Enoch; Eschatology.K. J. D.

E. " (http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=156 & letter=R)

>

> Appended is Part 3 of 'On becoming what we are meant to become'.

>

> love and best wishes to all,

>

> violet

>

>

> 'On becoming what we are meant to become' - Part 3

>

> [if we recall, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi described 'the mixture

state' like this]:

>

> " Now we have the situation, whereby people are clinging to their

realisation, and on the other hand, they are analysing

everything! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford,

England - 18 May 1980)

>

> [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi further states that faith and protocol go

together, however She says that if a person only learns the protocol,

but doesn't have the 'faith' along with the 'protocol'.... that they

will end up 'feeling bad' due to this 'mixture state']:

>

> Shri Mataji: " You have to learn certain things about faith. One of

them is the protocol. If you have faith while learning the protocol,

you will not feel bad. But if you're forced into it [the protocol]

while the 'mixture state' is still going on, you will feel bad about

it. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England

- 18 May 1980)

>

> [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi then explains that in order to develop

faith, we have to 'tell ourself' certain things. (This is popularly

called 'self-talk'). Shri Mataji describes how we must rationally and

clearly, tell ourself certain things]:

>

> Shri Mataji: " So to develop faith, you first have to tell yourself

rationally [and] clearly: " Don't you see this happening? Can't you

see it rising? Can't you understand? Isn't it dynamic?! "

>

> Just sit down and think how wonderful it is, how great it is!!!

Just talk to the ocean, talk to the flowers - they are better than

many human beings - and tell them, " Don't you think so? " Go to the

museum and tell all the statues, " I've found it!!! I've got it!!! "

>

> " Tell yourself " .... so [that by] telling yourself, you'll develop

faith! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford,

England - 18 May 1980)

>

> [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi states that there is 'no way out' or 'no

getting away with' not telling ourself certain things, if we are to

'grow our faith']:

>

> " There's no way out [of 'telling oneself']. Many people have asked

me this question: " How do I develop faith? " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

- " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980)

>

> [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi states that, it is absurd that people can

know about the Kundalini, are giving realisation to others, yet turn

around and ask Her how to develop their faith!]:

>

> Shri Mataji: " Now, it is such an absurd thing that you know about

the kundalini, you are giving realisaton [to others], and [yet] turn

around and ask: " Mother, how do we develop faith?! " (Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980)

>

> [This has been written in the English way, with the meaning of what

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has given, being retained]

>

>

>

> > ,

> > " Violet " <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " Faith is not faith just because I'm saying

> [something], because just saying something is 'blind faith'...

> whereas when you have seen [the evidence for] it, it is not a 'blind

> faith'!! But what is this?! That when you have seen [the evidence

> for] it, that you still don't believe it?! What should i call this,

> when you definitely know that this is happening, but you still don't

> believe it?!

> >

> > Faith is opening your eyes much more to what it is, and accepting

> that 'it is so'. If you believe that 'it is so'... that is faith.

And

> then, faith must grow! Imagine believing that faith is

> blindness'?! (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford,

> England - 18 May 1980)

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Here is the continuation of Part 2 of " On Becoming, what we are

> meant to become " .

> >

> > regards to all,

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> > [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has explained that 'real' faith is not a

> 'blind' faith, but is based upon the evidence of what we have

> witnessed and experienced, so that we will become much more aware of

> what it's all about. She says it is at this stage that our faith

must

> grow. She goes as far as to say, that nothing but our power of faith

> will help us, and that this power of faith is our 'becoming' power]:

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " At this stage, it is nothing but the power of faith

> that will help you. The power of faith is the greatest 'becoming'

> power, because then you realise that whatever you had known so far,

> had been of no value! This is something so great, so gigantic, so

> dynamic, so 'out of the blue', which you have never known before,

> that you become bewildered, and then [in that bewilderment], you

> start having faith! (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old

> Alresford, England - 18 May 1980)

> >

> > [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi says that we are 'in Her' and that She

is

> 'in us'. She says that we can see/know this, because when we move

our

> hands over our subtle energy body, prior to meditation, it puts us

in

> a balanced state, ready for meditation. She also states that we can

> know She is in us, and we are in Her, because when She blows Her

> breath on Her hands, we can feel that. Christ also breathed on his

> disciples, and said " Receive the Holy Spirit " . (ref: John 20:19-22)

> >

> > (http://holyspirit-shekinah.org/

9_holy_spirit_and_the_breath.htm)]:

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " Now then, when I say that 'just put your hands like

> this' and put a bhandan (see illustration in " Instructions on how to

> meditate daily on His Spirit/Shakti " at http://www.adishakti.org/

self-

> realization.htm)..... it works!!! Then you also start seeing that

> when Mother does like this (blowing on Her hand to Herself)..... we

> all feel it. Then we start feeling that we are in Her, and She is in

> us, and we become aware of our 'wholesomeness' and that She [our

> individual Mother Within] is our wholesomeness!!! [That is] when our

> faith starts growing!!! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " -

Old

> Alresford, England - 18 May 1980)

> >

> > [shri Mataji states that the abovementioned cannot be ascertained,

> and therefore cannot be analysed. Let's recall that She had stated

> that we of the West, have analysed our chakras 'to death']:

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " However, although you are now feeling your chakras

> and their problems, you are again analysing them! This tendancy to

> analyse everything, is the biggest problem in the West. Give them

any

> problem at all, and they will start to analyse it, until it drives

> them absolutely mad! Analysis is just the biggest thing, however

this

> constant analysing is just driving them " mad " !!!

> >

> > Now we have the situation, whereby people are clinging to their

> realisation, and on the other hand, they are analysing

> everything! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford,

> England - 18 May 1980)

> >

> > [so we cannot analyse the abovementioned, whereby we are 'in Her'

> and She is 'in us'!!!]:

> >

> > Shri Mataji: Then we start feeling that we are in Her, and She is

> in us, and we become aware of our 'wholesomeness' and that She [our

> individual Mother Within] is our wholesomeness!!! [That is] when our

> faith starts growing!!! You cannot realise [mentally ascertain]

this,

> as it is beyond analysis! You can only realise [mentally

> ascertain] 'dead things'. You cannot realise [mentally

> ascertain] 'living things'. This is beyond 'living' [things], so you

> cannot realise it [mentally ascertain it], so you start

surrendering. "

> > (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England -

> 18 May 1980)

> >

> > [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi describes what happens, when a person

> starts 'surrendering' to the Divine Within/the Holy Spirit Within/

the

> individual Mother Within (whichever you prefer to call it)]:

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " When you start surrendering and the faith comes in,

> then your awareness rises even higher, and the small, small, little,

> little things, which have become subtler, start departing from you.

> This is the third state, whereby you can see [witness] the three

> gunas [tendencies], but they do not affect you. " (Shri Mataji

Nirmala

> Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980)

> >

> > [For those who do not understand what 'gunas' means, here is a

> description given from the 'Sankhya philosophy']:

> >

> > " In Samkhya philosophy, a Guna is one of three " tendencies " :

tamas,

> sattva, and rajas. These categories have become a common means of

> categorizing behavior and natural phenomena in Hindu philosophy, and

> also in Ayurvedic medicine, as a system to assess conditions and

> diets. Guna is the tendency of the mind and not the state. For

> instance, Sattva guna is that force which tends to bring the mind to

> purity, but is not purity itself. Similarly Rajas is that force

which

> tends to bring the mind to perform some action, but is not action

> itself. Sattva (originally " being, existence, entity " ) has been

> translated to mean balance, order, or purity. This typically implies

> that a person with more of Sattva has a positive or even orderly

> state of mind. Such a person is psychologically kind, calm, alert

and

> thoughtful. " (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guna)

> >

> > [shri Mataji again summarizes the three 'states' that She has

> mentioned]:

> >

>; > Shri Mataji: " So in the first state, you have 'desire'. In the

> second state, which is a very big thing, you see the desire 'being

> fulfilled', but all these subtleties are [still] mixed up within

you.

> In the third state you see [witness] them, but they do not affect

> you! You see [witness] 'catching' ['the experiencing of

psychosomatic

> blocks/chakra blockages'] but you do not call catching, catching.

You

> call it 'recording', because you realise you are an instrument that

> is just recording, and the effect becomes very small... very

> small! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford,

> England - 18 May 1980)

> >

> > [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi then states, that a person becomes so

> powerful, that the effect of this 'catching' is miniscule. She says

> that it is only by faith that is not 'blind', that a person can rise

> up to this state, which is the 'third state']:

> >

> > Shri Mataji: " You become so powerful 'within' that the effect of

> this catching is very little; you [actually] just record this

effect.

> This is the third state, which you can only rise to with complete

> faith. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford,

> England - 18 May 1980)

> >

> > [This has been written in the English way, with the meaning of

what

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has given, being retained]

> >

> >

> >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi gave Sahaja Yogis knowledge in 1980 at

>; > Alresford (pronounced as " Alsford " ), that many of us have not yet

> > had the privilege to read and contemplate. Someone has just sent

me

> > a copy of what Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has taught regarding

> > 'becoming' what we are meant to become... (thanks Sharmilla!).

Shri

> > Mataji talked deeply about this process of 'becoming', whereby

> > initially there was only this 'spiritual desire' in us, but this

> > 'spiritual desire' has become a 'leap in consciousness'! For those

> > who have experienced this 'leap in consciousness', we know that it

> > is unprecedented, because we could not get the same from religion,

> > ministers, or books, no matter how hard and desperately we

tried!!!

> > For a start, this leap in consciousness, washes our inner garments

> > [a.k.a. the psychosomatic system/subtle system] whiter than

snow!!!

> > i know this as a fact, because i have seen the evidence, from an

> > Aura Photograph! Once this connection with the " Divine Within "

takes

> > place, which Sahaja Yogis call " self-realisation " , we are in a

> > position to have many subtle, beautiful gnostic understandings,

> > which i call " Self " realisation, that emerges from our union with

> > the Divine within ourselves. And then, in Shri Mataji's own words,

> > " The faith must grow!!! "

> > >

> > > What Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has taught at Alresford, England,

> > has been written 'in the English way', with the meaning of what

She

> > has given, being retained.

> > >

> > > My desire is that we may all become, what we are meant to

> become!!!

> > >

> > > love and best wishes to all,

> > >

> > > violet

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Becoming, what we are meant to become...

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji: It is only because I have given you [spiritual]

> > birth, that you can cure others, give speeches in [the union of]

> > Sahaja Yoga, know your own problems, your own surroundings, and

> > cleanse yourself and others. Nobody could have done it [as

> > comprehensively] before, in that you have gotten everything in the

> > one package!!! What a leap [in consciousness] from your very first

> > awareness of spiritual desire! Things that seemed strange [to you]

> > at first, have now subtly and beautifully formed within you!

> > >

> > > However, although you are now feeling your chakras and their

> > problems, you are again analysing them! This tendancy to analyse

> > everything, is the biggest problem in the West. Give them any

> > problem at all, and they will start to analyse it, until it drives

> > them absolutely mad! Analysis is just the biggest thing, however

> > this constant analysing is just driving them " mad " !!!

> > >

> > > Now we have the situation, whereby people are clinging to their

> > realisation, and on the other hand, they are analysing

everything!:

> > the legs get analysed; the feet get analysed; even the nails get

> > analysed! They've even taken the microscope to see and make sure

> > that the legs are actually being used to climb upwards!!! You see,

> > the whole purpose [of your realisation] is lost, when you start

> > identifying with whatever was hanging on to you. Instead, you

should

> > be saying " Finished! Done! I'm now another person! "

> > >

> > > The greatest thing in this [new] awareness of yours, when you

are

> > realised, is that the person that was there, is dead, finished,

and

> > gone!!!: " I'm a different person now. " People find it difficult to

> > accept that, because their ego does not allow them to. The ego

says:

> > " Oh God, how can that be? "

> > >

> > > I mean............ to say that you are transformed completely!!

> > Can you imagine!! You can give realisation to people!!! (Shri

Mataji

> > Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980)

> > >

> > > [shri Mataji says that when She tells people this, they say,

" Oh I

> > know this " , and then they run away, because nobody will believe

that

> > it is true. She says that Sahaja Yogis can give Self realisation

to

> > people, but they just don't 'believe' that they can!!! She gives

an

> > example, of what She is talking about]:

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji: This yogi said, " Mother, how can that be? " He has

> > been working as a yogi for so many years, but to begin with, he

> > would not believe it was possible, that he could give

> > realisation! (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old

Alresford,

> > England - 18 May 1980)

> > >

> > > [it is perhaps not clear to some Sahaja Yogis ( " born of the

> > Spirit " ) persons that there is a difference between the connection

> > that Shri Mataji called " self-realisation " and the gnostic

> > experience that She also calls " Self " realisation.... or realising

> > our " Self " . Realising our " Self " fully, does not usually come with

> > the initial en'light'enment that is also called self-realisation,

> > but this initial connection or " union with the Divine within " ,

> > enables us to fully realise the " Self " over time. This is a

Gnostic

> > Experience that nobody can give to another person, because this

can

> > only be experienced " from within " , through the deepening spiritual

> > work of meditation, contemplation, introspection, and faith in the

> > Divine Within!!! By meeting our individual Mother Within, whom

Shri

> > Mataji Nirmala Devi incarnated to introduce us to, we start to

> > realise " the Self " !!! She (our individual Mother) guides us, once

we

> > are in union with Her... once our individual spirit is in union

with

> > the Holy Spirit!!!

> > >

> > > i know without a doubt, that the connection that is self-

> > realisation, washes a person's garments (a.k.a. subtle system or

> > psychosomatic system) as " white as snow " !!! The Scriptures teach

> > about this. Some of us yogis also witnessed this fact, at a Mind

> > Body Spirit Festival, as there was an Aura Photographer next to

our

> > stall, and 3 people who had taken their 'before' and 'after'

photos,

> > found that whereas before S.R. their photographs were multi-

> > coloured, but after their S.R. their photos were " pure white " !!! i

> > wonder if this was the 'whiteness' that Shri Mataji was subtly

> > referring to, when She said these enigmatic words]:

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji: " So what you have to do about 'Becoming', is to at

> > least believe [that] yes!!! You are giving realisation!!! After

all,

> > you see it like a white cloth before you. Still, you say it's

black,

> > Hurst Blue! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old

Alresford,

> > England - 18 May 1980)

> > >

> > > [i do not quite understand what Shri Mataji means by " Hurst

Blue " .

> > i looked it up on the internet, and the closest understanding i

can

> > get is that somehow, it might be connected to " the blues " , that

is,

> > feeling a bit 'blue'. The following that Shri Mataji says, seems

to

> > perhaps, bear that out]:

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji: " So these dealings with the 'Hurst Blue' is the

worst

> > case [scenario]. You are giving realisation. See how [name

withheld]

> > is supposed to be going to the psychiatrist. He can give

realisation

> > to that psychiatrist! The doctor who is going to treat you; you

can

> > give him realisation! Believe it! You can! But when [name

withheld]

> > says this to the doctor, [name withheld] thinks, " Oh, he'll run

> > away. " But, at least " believe in yourself!!! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala

> > Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980)

> > >

> > > [so, Shri Mataji uses the unlikely example above, of someone

> > having so much faith in himself, that he has the courage to tell

the

> > psychiatrist that is going to treat him, that he can give the

> > psychiatrist " self-realisation " !!! However, it seems obvious that

> > Shri Mataji is using this illustration to reveal how much faith we

> > should have in our ability to give someone their " self-

realisation " .

> > She calls this " faith " in one's Self]:

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji: " But at least 'believe' in yourself. This is the

> > place where you 'must' have faith; this faith, that you got

> > realisation through Sahaja Yoga [ " union with the Divine " ]... that

> > it's a tremendous power... that there is an all pervading power

> > which is absolutely dynamic... that you have that power flowing

> > through you... that you are giving realisation... and that your

> > [fellow human] brother is something special! (Shri Mataji Nirmala

> > Devi - " Becoming " - Old Alresford, England - 18 May 1980)

> > >

> > > [in conclusion, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi explains what real

faith

> > is, as compared to 'blind faith']:

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji: " Faith is not faith just because I'm saying

> > [something], because just saying something is 'blind faith'...

> > whereas when you have seen [the evidence for] it, it is not a

'blind

> > faith'!! But what is this?! That when you have seen [the evidence

> > for] it, that you still don't believe it?! What should i call

this,

> > when you definitely know that this is happening, but you still

don't

> > believe it?!

> > >

> > > Faith is opening your eyes much more to what it is, and

accepting

> > that it is so. If you believe that 'it is so', that is faith. And

> > then, faith must grow. Imagine believing that faith is

> > 'blindness'?! (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Becoming " - Old

> > Alresford, England - 18 May 1980)

> > >

> > > [This has been written in the English way, with the meaning of

> > what Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has given, being retained]

> > >

> >

>