1000s of 'false' gurus drive established SYs into cleansing frenzy

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, " iba22000 "

<iba22000 wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir and all,what can i say for this quote,

> may God bless you and thank for this knowlege

> have a good day.

>

> all my love....

> Jay Shri Mataji

> your brother isaac in cameroun

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > Dennis Choptiany, Markham, Canada: It can be argued that the most

> > profound creation that humans have made is God. With it came the

> > formation of a vast number of religions and their destructive

> > divisions and conflicts. In your opinion, why do people have an

> > apparent 'need' for religion and why have religions flourished

> > even today when there is more and more evidence of the validity of

> > agnostic and atheist views?

> >

> > Deepak Chopra: Religions have an appeal because human beings have

> > the fear of mortality. All religions promise eternal life. In the

> > absence of profound knowledge of the workings of the universe, we

> > rely on so-called religious authority to answer the deepest

> > questions of our existence: who am I, where did I come from,

> > what's the meaning and purpose of existence, do I have a soul,

> > what happens to me after I die, does God exist, and if God exists

> > does God care about me personally.

> >

> > Unfortunately, religious ideology, dogma and belief systems are no

> > longer congruent with what we know about the workings of the

> > universe. They are inconsistent with our insights from modern

> > cosmology, evolution, biology and the sciences. Hence, religious

> > based on primitive belief (and unfortunately, all of them are

> > based on primitive beliefs) have become quarrelsome, divisive and

> > frequently idiotic.

> >

> > However, consciousness still remains a mystery. Is our

> > consciousness an emergent property of our biology or is

> > consciousness the ground of existence that differentiates itself

> > and projects itself as reality? This is not a settled issue. The

> > current atheists and agnostics, such as Richard Dawkins, for

> > example, are espousing an old fashioned 19th century atheism. The

> > god they attack can not be defended. My hope is that as science

> > progresses and looks at the mystery of consciousness we will see

> > the emergence of a new spirituality that is secular and scientific

> > and still addresses our deepest longings and our most important

> > existential dilemmas.

> >

 

My brother Isaac,

 

i am still healing from the paranoia and fear that many old and

established SYs have for almost all gurus, a dreaded disease that is

so contagious that it infects even sane and well-balanced newcomers

if they ever stay in Sahaja Yoga. As far as established SYs are

concerned almost any guru, other than Shri Mataji, is a false guru.

This mindset was personally experienced by me on a number of

occasions, and was subject to public ridicule and collective stigma.

i have still not healed completely because the intensity and fear SYs

have of so-called 'false'gurus included Deepak Chopra, a man i most

admire and respect.

 

So today, after reading your appreciation of " Deepak Chopra takes

questions " , i was again reminded of a disease that infects and

affects entire SY collectives. But i have come a long way from June

18, 1999 Canajoharie, New York. At that time i did not know much

about Deepak Chopra, and yet defended him. Today, after reading

" Deepak Chopra takes questions " , i regard him as one of the most

influential and enlightened human. With that faith and conviction i

can now easily stay away from foolish, fanatical anti-false guru

Mahesh Khatris and John Noyces of Sahaja Yoga. It is such a relief

and joy to be completely free from this prevailing SY mindset.

 

Thanks brother Isaac for allowing me to heal more,

 

your brother jagbir

 

 

 

--- mahesh khatri <maheshkhatri wrote:

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> Dear Jagbirji,

>

> Sorry if this hurts you. Deepak Chopra is a false

> Guru. His mooladhar is very bad and we should not

> have anything to do with whatever he says even if

> what he says is truth.

> He emits very bad vibrations. pls check.

 

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shriadishakti , sahaj hist <sahajhist>

wrote:

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> I agree with Mahesh on this.

> btw, this is why we Sahaja Yogis choose to cleanse our

> subtle systems on a regular basis - so we can use

> vibrational awareness, not mental activity, to

> understand reality.

> So, dear brother Jagbir, if you cannot feel Chopra's

> vibrations then its obviously time to reincorporate

> footsoaking and candle treatment in your weekly

> routine!

> John

>

>

 

BTW, i forgot to mention that in 1452 the Inquisytion used

vibrational awareness, not mental activity, to understand the reality

of setting out the posse to rid the organization of possessed,

demonic children. And i am talking about the most experienced world

leader, gi Mahajunk Khan, and his cronies.

 

i understand that this elite squad have been religiously footsoaking

and using candle treatments for years - 5, 10, 15 - and continue till

today.

 

Care to comment?

 

jagbir

 

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shriadishakti , " anujg_iitd " <anujg_iitd>

wrote:

>

> Jai ShriMataji Jagbirji

>

> Shri Mataji has enabled us to see the world beyond fanaticism and

> so called rationality . And the enabler for that was Param

> Chaitanya. With the help of the holy ghost, we are able to

> distinguish between what is good and what is bad and listen to and

> trust our hearts instead of mind which is limited. The moment I

> start interpreting things with my intellect and forget vibrations,

> I know that I might be mistaken (and always am!!)

>

 

Dear Anujji,

 

Thank you for your input.

 

i cannot be more agreeable that Shri Mataji has enabled us to see the

world beyond fanaticism, and that is why Chopra was vigorously

defended. SYs keep missing the point that compared to the likes of

Sai Baba, Muktananda, Sri Chinmoy, Rev. Moon, etc., he never claimed

himself to be a divine personality. Why do a few quotes agitate them

so much and cause others to react?

 

Ever since i started meditating on the Devi within a decade ago there

has been no end to so-called established SYs mentoring me what to

read, listen, see, wear, eat, visit. The seniority pecking order

makes it almost impossible to become your own master. For them

anything not making the list of Shri Mataji's recommendations are

suspicious at best. (Do they honestly believe that Shri Mataji scans

all the world's newspapers, magazines, movies, books, sitcoms, soap

operas and radio stations to spoon-feed them with prized pickings,

forbidden fruits and common sense?)

 

The basis of their objection to my choices are vibrations, an

infallible weapon subsequently used by the Inquisytion to pursue its

infamous purge (of my demonic and possessed children).

 

Over the years i have become skeptical of SYs using vibrations to

judge due to the abuse my family has suffered. There is no

consistency in their findings. At times they even contradict each

other, and confuse the rest. You are never sure of their conviction.

 

Take for example Yogi Mahajan's book, The Geeta Enlightened. Many

acknowledged years ago that it emitted good vibrations. When he was

asked to leave in disgrace by Shri Mataji the same book started

giving off bad vibrations. How can that be possible? The reverse

happened the day Shri Mataji told that hatha yoga breathing exercises

were valid. How come SYs stopped feeling bad vibrations from hatha

yoga? Does truth contradict? give off bad vibrations?

 

If i were to fanatically follow the advise of SYs who can pick up hot

vibrations, bad mooladharas or false gurus i will have to stop:

 

1) reading books, novels, magazines, newspapers, billboards;

2) cease listening to radios, political speeches, musical

presentations;

3) see movies, watch television;

4) wear jeans, T-shorts, designer shoes;

5) eat in restaurants, MacDonald's, Subways, Wendys;

6) visit friends in pubs, drug-infested housing etc.

 

Any fanatically conditioned SY will tell you that all these will

trigger the catches of hot vibrations, bad mooladharas or false gurus.

 

Why just single out Chopra for having a bad mooladhara when you can

practically point the guilty finger at anyone. Do i have to stop

watching BBC or reading the New York Times because their editors have

horrible mooladharas? Do i stop eating at my neighborhood MacDonald's

because most of their youthful employees have bad catches due to

drinking, drugs and multiple sexual partners? Am i to flee from

libraries and bookshops because most authors will either have hot

vibrations, bad mooladharas or are followers of false gurus/corrupted

religions? Do i refuse to see/follow the advise of a doctor who is a

Sai Baba devotee, and is catching horribly?

 

All this unnecessary and excessive concern for the purity of the

subtle system has retarded SYs and developed a sick siege mentality.

Just check with the Vashi Clinic at Belapour, India and you will hear

embarrassing stories from the SY doctors of how the fear of bhoots

and negativity have SYs living in constant dread and anxiety. All

this fanaticism with bhoots, baddhas, hot vibrations, bad mooladharas

and false gurus are turning normal devotees in ailing SYs who need

years of foot-soaking and candle treatments. The All-Pervasive

Negativity keeps attacking them regularly and thus a daily regimen of

cleansing continues for years .................... with no end or

solution in sight.

 

But this siege mentality does not end here. It has bred a host of

innovative observations. One that i witnessed was senior SYs checking

others for physical scars/defects. If you have a scar on the throat

then automatically your Vishuddhi Chakra will always catch. A

herniated disk is interpreted as a problem with the Sushumna Nadi.

 

It is humiliating enough when such signs are examined but the insult

to injury is when your are told that it is the Divine meting

punishment. Don't think i am making this up; i was a victim of senior

SYs who thought that 15 years in Sahaja Yoga brought them

enlightenment and the right to dispense it in minuscule portions to

ignorant seekers like me. And there was no room for argument. When

their 'vibrations' are right who am i to say otherwise?

 

SYs depend on vibrations but have yet to substantially harness a far

superior means to ascertain truth and awareness - the thoughtless

state. When all mental activity ceases what is there left to

interpret? You just do your daily routine in Silence, without any

need to check vibrations. One still need to mentally asked the

vibrations about one's enquiry. So how can vibrations overrule the

thoughtless state where all mental activity ceases, the Nirvikalpa

state that Shri Mataji insists must be reached? This is a level of

consciousness that remains inaccessible to the majority because it is

very difficult to attain and sustain. ......... and i am not talking

about a few minutes during meditation but hours daily over weeks,

months and years!

 

Over time there has been this awareness that to destroy negativity

one must first experience and learn what it is. This baseless fear

and siege mentality of bhoots, baddhas, hot vibrations, bad

mooladharas and false gurus, both real and imaginary, must come to an

end. We cannot allow our minds to be agitated by all these mental

perceptions of negativity. If you do then be assured that you will be

foot-soaking and performing candle rituals for a very, very long time.

 

 

jagbir

 

 

> shriadishakti , " anujg_iitd "

<anujg_iitd>

> wrote:

> > Jai ShriMataji Jagbirji

> >

> > Shri Mataji has enabled us to see the world beyond fanaticism and

> > so called rationality . And the enabler for that was Param

> > Chaitanya. With the help of the holy ghost, we are able to

> > distinguish between what is good and what is bad and listen to

> > and trust our hearts instead of mind which is limited. The moment

> > I start interpreting things with my intellect and forget

> > vibrations, I know that I might be mistaken (and always am!!)

> >

 

shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> Dear Anujji,

>

> Thank you for your input.

>

> i cannot be more agreeable that Shri Mataji has enabled us to see

> the world beyond fanaticism, and that is why Chopra was vigorously

> defended. SYs keep missing the point that compared to the likes of

> Sai Baba, Muktananda, Sri Chinmoy, Rev. Moon, etc., he never

> claimed himself to be a divine personality. Why do a few quotes

> agitate them so much and cause others to react?

>

 

Contrary to what SYs may think as ignorance, i am aware of this

Chopra controversy. That was when i attended the Shri Adi Shakti

Puja, June 18 - 20, 1999 at Canajoharie, New York.

 

i remember the collective shoe-beating session which was followed by

me till it came to Chopra. The SYogini explained that Shri Mataji was

told about how Chopra was copying Sahaja Yoga and its techniques.

 

i found it difficult to comprehend exactly how Chopra had done so

because i used to browse so many books at stores in my search for

Truth. i never found any resemblance to Sahaja Yoga.

 

The SYogini never presented any proof or the nature of the copied

material. A few SYs, including me, did not shoe-beat him.

 

Till today i have no knowedlge of exactly what Shri Mataji said about

him. If SYs have heard anything then give me Her exact words. i don't

want that " i heard from A who was informed by B while visiting C " .

After hearing all sorts of things from all sorts of people - like

Shri Mataji spending US$32,000 on diamonds to open the Agnya Chakra

of America, a completely false and baseless allegation - i normally

take a precautionary pinch of salt.

 

Sometimes in our zeal to sanitize Sahaja Yoga we tend to embellish

truth. Even children see monsters lurking in the shadows.

 

 

jagbir