Sadhana needs to be based on spiritual tradition

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, " my2 pai " <my2pai

wrote:

 

Shri Mataji has Herself admitted that Sahaja Yoga is ancient and is derived from

the scriptures and puranas of centuries past. So it is more likely for one to

say that the precepts of Sahaja Yoga are copied from the ancient vedas and the

puranas. But this may not even be so; the precepts and terminology of certain

aspects of Sahaja Yoga may be traced to even more recent sources.

 

Recently I have been reading up on Shri Ramana Maharshi who was a topic on this

forum some time back. See

/message/7190. From the life

and teachings of Shri Ramana Maharshi one can find many concepts and ideas

adopted by Sahaja Yoga and of which most of us are not aware unless we are ready

to open our minds and read widely.

 

 

Dear All,

 

i appreciated the detail that Chandra brought to our attention, which shows that

Sahaja Yoga is not the 'new kid on the block' but is based upon spiritual

tradition. Every great religion has to be based upon spiritual tradition, or

else it will have no substantial foundation. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi gave

Sahaja Yoga a very strong spiritual foundation, taking from every spiritual

tradition and integrating all the truths, which She said are like different

branches of the same Tree of Life.

 

If a spiritual movement does not have a strong spiritual tradition, upon which

it bases its sadhanas (spiritual practices) it loses its bearings. A spiritual

working knowledge, like Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has given is vital! People need

to know what the Holy Books teach, so they do not remain in spiritual ignorance

on many things. Most answers can be found in the Bible, Koran, Geeta or

whatever. In fact, the majority of answers to questions that have been given on

this forum, are sourced from the Holy Books of the various spiritual traditions,

which all agree on the essential Divine laws and Divine techniques of the Holy

Spirit!

 

However, when a spiritual movement that was based on strong spiritual tradition,

goes slightly off kilter by substituting sadhana alone for the spiritual

tradition, then it will be in trouble. Sadhana is only for getting rid of

illusion, but if the sadhana becomes the spiritual tradition itself, then the

people get lost in the sadhana itself, and never reach the goal that the sadhana

was there for, in the first place! So sadhana very definitely needs to be based

on spiritual tradition, and this spiritual tradition from Christ, Buddha,

Mohammed, and other incarnations and prophets need to be taught, otherwise

people go off in tangents, and who knows what they will actually end up

believing.

 

Here is a report by a devotee of Shri Ramama Maharshi about sadhana being only

there, to get rid of illusion.

 

Please enjoy!

 

love to all,

 

violet

 

 

 

SADHANA IS ONLY TO GET RID OF THIS ILLUSION

 

" Though Bhagavan [shri Ramana Maharshi] was teaching us so clearly that

sakshatkaram means only the good state and the good idea beyond the owner's

thoughts, I felt it a great pity that we were not able to understand it. While I

was thinking, someone asked: " That state of exalted thought and existence which

is above the owner's mental plane is natural and possible only for people like

Bhagavan, but is it possible for ordinary people like us, without sadhanas?

 

Bhagavan said, " Certainly it is! Sadhana is necessary but for what purpose? His

Self is there at all times and at all places. So there is no need to try and get

it from somewhere else. Sadhana is only to get rid of the bodily and other

illusions which are in the way of the self standing up as Self. This delusion

arises only by thinking that this bodily world is real, instead of looking at

the Self, which is real. Sadhana is only to get rid of this illusion. Otherwise,

why should there be sadhana for the Self to attain its own self? He who has

realised his own Self does not recognize anything else. "

 

" All sadhanas are for getting rid of the delusion that you are the body. "

 

(Letters From Shri Ramanasramamam, No. 68 & 63)

 

 

 

 

> " Contrary to what SYs may think as ignorance, i am aware of this

> Chopra controversy. That was when i attended the Shri Adi Shakti

> Puja, June 18 - 20, 1999 at Canajoharie, New York.

>

> i remember the collective shoe-beating session which was followed

by

> me till it came to Chopra. The SYogini explained that Shri Mataji

was

> told about how Chopra was copying Sahaja Yoga and its techniques.

>

> i found it difficult to comprehend exactly how Chopra had done so

> because i used to browse so many books at stores in my search for

> Truth. i never found any resemblance to Sahaja Yoga. "

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> The claim that other people copy Sahaja Yoga and its techniques is

> rather questionable and quite controversial. Shri Mataji has

Herself

> admitted that Sahaja Yoga is ancient and is derived from the

> scriptures and puranas of centuries past. So it is more likely for

> one to say that the precepts of Sahaja Yoga are copied from the

> ancient vedas and the puranas. But this may not even be so; the

> precepts and terminology of certain aspects of Sahaja Yoga may be

> traced to even more recent sources.

>

> Recently I have been reading up on Shri Ramana Maharshi who was a

> topic on this forum some time back. See

> /message/7190.

> From the life and teachings of Shri Ramana Maharshi one can find

many

> concepts and ideas adopted by Sahaja Yoga and of which most of us

are

> not aware unless we are ready to open our minds and read widely.

>

> Let us start with the term 'Sahaja.' Shri Ramana used this term to

> describe what he called sahaja samadhi: " But the samadhi I speak

to

> you about is different. It is sahaja samadhi. In this state you

> remain calm and composed during activity. You realise that you are

> moved by the deeper Real Self within and are unaffected by what

you

> do or say or think. You have no worries, anxieties or cares, for

you

> realise that there is nothing that belongs to you as ego and that

> everything is being done by something with which you are in

conscious

> union. "

> (pg. 193, Teachings of Ramana Maharshi in His Own Words*)

>

> Could the following quotation be the inspiration for the term

Vishwa

> Nirmala Dharma?: " Then everything one does becomes spontaneous and

> natural (sahaja-dharma), and that is the universal religion (viswa-

> dharma), so inner experience and the outer life become co-

ordinated

> in Integral Existence. That is pure Devotion (bhakti), true Yoga,

and

> Full Knowledge (purna-jnana). "

> (pg. 84, At the Feet of Bhagavan*)

>

> The cool breeze that Sahaja Yogis endlessly perorate about? Note

the

> following quotation: " When one gets the company of holy men, there

is

> no need for religious austerities. When cool breeze blows, where

is

> the need for a fan? "

> (pg. 680, Letters from Sri Ramanasramam*)

>

> In introductory talks, Shri Mataji used to talk about the gap

between

> two thoughts where exists thoughtless awareness, nirvichara. This

is

> really quite an ancient idea. Note this quotation from the Jnana

> Vasishtha: " Between two thoughts there is an interval of no

thought.

> That interval is the Self, the Atman. It is pure Awareness only. "

> (The Maharshi, Jul/Aug 1991, http://arunachala.org/newsletters/web-

pages/)

>

> Shri Ramana has also made the following quotation involving the

Holy

> Ghost which Sahaja Yogis can readily agree with: " Egolessness,

Love,

> the Holy Ghost and Spirit are all names of one and the same thing,

> the Self. "

> (pg. 204, Maha Yoga of Bhagavan Sri Ramana*)

>

> Then again Shri Mataji has also said that Sahaja Yoga is Maha

Yoga.

> The title of the above-mentioned book has already used the term

Maha

> Yoga and it was published decades ago.

>

> So from the above it can be seen that before we accuse others of

> stealing ideas from Sahaja Yoga we have to understand that Sahaja

> Yoga has itself also borrowed quite extensively from other sources.

>

> Chandra

> *The books mentioned can be downloaded from the following link:

> http://www.sriramanamaharshi.org/Allpub.html

>