How Deepak Chopra got into trouble with Sahaja Yoga

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, " my2 pai " <my2pai wrote:>> " Contrary to what SYs may think as ignorance, i am aware of this

> Chopra controversy. That was when i attended the Shri Adi Shakti> Puja, June 18 - 20, 1999 at Canajoharie, New York.> > i remember the collective shoe-beating session which was followed by

> me till it came to Chopra. The SYogini explained that Shri Mataji was> told about how Chopra was copying Sahaja Yoga and its techniques.> > i found it difficult to comprehend exactly how Chopra had done so

> because i used to browse so many books at stores in my search for> Truth. i never found any resemblance to Sahaja Yoga. " > > > > In introductory talks, Shri Mataji used to talk about the gap between > two thoughts where exists thoughtless awareness, nirvichara. This is > really quite an ancient idea. Note this quotation from the Jnana > Vasishtha: " Between two thoughts there is an interval of no thought. > That interval is the Self, the Atman. It is pure Awareness only. " > (The Maharshi, Jul/Aug 1991, http://arunachala.org/newsletters/web-pages/)

>

 

Dear Jagbir,

I would like to pick up on your puzzlement over how Deepak Chopra has copied Sahaja Yoga and its techniques. Have you ever asked the Sahaja Yogis who had spread the allegation to specify exactly how and in what way Deepak Chopra had infringed SY copyrights, as it were? Even if you have done that, my bet is that nobody was able to give you a satisfactory answer although everybody would tell you that Deepak Chopra is a baddie who has cheated Sahaja Yoga by copying SY's copyrighted techniques. In other words Sahaja Yogis regard Deepak Chopra as a crook based on the vague notion that he has plagiarized Sahaja Yoga even though nobody can say exactly how. Although we Sahaja Yogis regard ourselves as " enlightened " people it is indeed ironical that we can tolerate and even participate in this kind of calumny and slander.

 

I shall now cut to the chase, so to speak. Deepak Chopra published several motivational books in the nineties, probably the same ones you used to browse in the stores. In one of the books he introduced a system of meditation which he called " mindfullness. " He explained this type of meditation by referring to the gap between two thoughts where one experiences thoughtless awareness. His system of meditation teaches the meditator to expand this area of thoughtless awareness. Sounds familiar? Of course this is also what Sahaja Yoga teaches. But this hardly makes Deepak Chopra a copycat. As I quoted in my previous post, no. 8219, and extracted above, this idea of the gap between two thoughts is ancient scriptural knowledge. But no matter. The cry went out: Deepak Chopra was copying Sahaja Yoga and its techniques!

 

There is every likelihood that Deepak Chopra had never heard of Sahaja Yoga much less copied its techniques. If anyone approaches him to tell him about his purported plagiarism he would probably respond with a LOL (laughing out loud). If he is in a less amiable mood there is a wide selection of more rude and insulting Internet abbreviations for him to choose from. The joke is really on us Sahaja Yogis. If we practise Sahaja Yoga like ignoramuses, totally unaware and unmindful of our scriptural antecedents this is the kind of morass we will fall into, a folly of our own making. What we need is real awareness and indeed, mindfullness. Coming to think of it, many of our Sahaja Yogis could well benefit from Deepak Chopra's mindfullness meditation. LOL.

 

Chandra

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Dear Chandra,

 

i recall the shoe-beating session quite well because so many types of

baddies were beaten by SYs. Before each baddie was punished his or

her crime(s) were read out loud and clear. So as a honored juror of

such an esteemed kangaroo court (and i don't mean Australia) i had to

quickly judge the seriousness of the crime and calculate the number

of shoebeats with my size 12 shoes as fit punishment. i remember

whacking the daylights out of corrupt lawyers, politicians, doctors,

dentists, IRS (Internal Revenue Service) and, of course, false gurus.

 

(But before we come to Deepak Chopra) i subsequently asked SYs the

reason for shoebeating when there are better alternatives. Why

shoebeat a man beating his disobedient dog when it is more effective

to approach and reprimand him? i always believed shoebeating was a

primitive club for those unable to understand more subtle ways like

being thoughtless or paying attention or surrendering entire problem

to Her. Now we have evidence that Shri Mataji's original aim was for

certain SYs to shoebeat their own egos, another corruption of Her

teachings that over the years degenerated into a collective court to

try and judge the guilty. i said " guilty " because all brought before

this collective court ARE GUILTY. It is only the punishment that

needs to be meted out by the judge, jury and executioner.

 

So when it came to Deepak Chopra's turn he was read, in abstentia, a

list of his crimes. The SYogini was quite angry that he had copied SY

techniques and was regularly seen laughing all the way to his bank.

This SYogini was so pissed that she and other SYs were making plans

to petition Shri Mataji that this intellectual bandit was robbing Her

in broad daylight. Since Shri Mataji was not aware despite being the

Adi Shakti, these SYs were going to draw up a list of items stolen

from Sahaja Yoga. They wanted to enlighten Shri Mataji of such an

infamous thief of truth, as well as remind that She is seriously

lacking vigilance. There were no specifics Chandra, just a vague

accusation that Deepak Chopra was not only robbing Sahaja Yoga of

intellectual property but souls as well, souls which could be better

served and saved by subtle system SYs.

 

But i refused to shoebeat because it was such a ridiculous accusation.

i admire Deepak Chopra for his academic background, his field of

expertise, clarity of communication and impeccable as well as

exquisitely precise English. He can easily qualify as the Queen's

Council for spiritual law and defend the Divine. Only fools will

accuse him of stealing spiritual property. But then who am i to

challenge their wisdom and vibrations?

 

regards,

 

jagbir

 

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, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

> >

> > " Contrary to what SYs may think as ignorance, i am aware of this

> > Chopra controversy. That was when i attended the Shri Adi Shakti

> > Puja, June 18 - 20, 1999 at Canajoharie, New York.

> >

> > i remember the collective shoe-beating session which was followed

> > by me till it came to Chopra. The SYogini explained that Shri

> > Mataji was told about how Chopra was copying Sahaja Yoga and its

> > techniques.

> >

> > i found it difficult to comprehend exactly how Chopra had done so

> > because i used to browse so many books at stores in my search for

> > Truth. i never found any resemblance to Sahaja Yoga. "

> >

> >

> >

>

> , " my2 pai " <my2pai@>

wrote:

>

> In introductory talks, Shri Mataji used to talk about the gap

between two thoughts where exists thoughtless awareness, nirvichara.

This is really quite an ancient idea. Note this quotation from the

Jnana Vasishtha: " Between two thoughts there is an interval of no

thought. That interval is the Self, the Atman. It is pure Awareness

only. " (The Maharshi, Jul/Aug 1991,

http://arunachala.org/newsletters/web-pages/)

> >

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> I would like to pick up on your puzzlement over how Deepak Chopra

has copied Sahaja Yoga and its techniques. Have you ever asked the

Sahaja Yogis who had spread the allegation to specify exactly how and

in what way Deepak Chopra had infringed SY copyrights, as it were?

Even if you have done that, my bet is that nobody was able to give

you a satisfactory answer although everybody would tell you that

Deepak Chopra is a baddie who has cheated Sahaja Yoga by copying SY's

copyrighted techniques. In other words Sahaja Yogis regard Deepak

Chopra as a crook based on the vague notion that he has plagiarized

> Sahaja Yoga even though nobody can say exactly how. Although we

Sahaja Yogis regard ourselves as " enlightened " people it is indeed

ironical that we can tolerate and even participate in this kind of

calumny and slander.

>

> I shall now cut to the chase, so to speak. Deepak Chopra published

several

> motivational books in the nineties, probably the same ones you used

to

> browse in the stores. In one of the books he introduced a system of

> meditation which he called " mindfullness. " He explained this type of

> meditation by referring to the gap between two thoughts where one

> experiences thoughtless awareness. His system of meditation teaches

the

> meditator to expand this area of thoughtless awareness. Sounds

familiar? Of

> course this is also what Sahaja Yoga teaches. But this hardly makes

Deepak

> Chopra a copycat. As I quoted in my previous post, no. 8219, and

extracted

> above, this idea of the gap between two thoughts is ancient

scriptural

> knowledge. But no matter. The cry went out: Deepak Chopra was

copying Sahaja

> Yoga and its techniques!

>

> There is every likelihood that Deepak Chopra had never heard of

Sahaja Yoga

> much less copied its techniques. If anyone approaches him to tell

him about

> his purported plagiarism he would probably respond with a LOL

(laughing out

> loud). If he is in a less amiable mood there is a wide selection of

more

> rude and insulting Internet abbreviations for him to choose from.

The joke

> is really on us Sahaja Yogis. If we practise Sahaja Yoga like

ignoramuses,

> totally unaware and unmindful of our scriptural antecedents this is

the kind

> of morass we will fall into, a folly of our own making. What we

need is real

> awareness and indeed, mindfullness. Coming to think of it, many of

our

> Sahaja Yogis could well benefit from Deepak Chopra's mindfullness

> meditation. LOL.

>

> Chandra

>