People started doubting their experiences and stopped coming to the programs.

[Guest guest]

>

> Question: How does one discard all the organization and useless

> activites (of Sahaja Yoga) and seek her (Holy Spirit/Adi Shakti)

> only in the Sahastrara (Kingdom of God)?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: We are devout Christians who are very uncomfortable with

> Hindu rituals, and see the same in Sahaja Yoga. Is there any way we

> can do without such rituals?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I do not want to meditate on anything non-Christian but

> agree that the Holy Spirit is feminine. How do I only worship the

> Holy Spirit but not the Adi Shakti?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: What will happen after Shri Mataji passes away? Will She

> still be in the photograph? Where will the vibrations come from

> then?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: As a SY I am concerned that after Shri Mataji takes

> Mahasamadhi there will great grief and sense of loss. How can I cope

> with this eventuality and continue my faith and devotion? Do I

> continue to meditate on Her photo even though She is not physically

> present anymore?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: Jagbir, you are already telling us to discard Shri

> Mataji's photo and meditate on Her is the Sahasrara. A number of

> SYs have been offended by this and have left the forum. What makes

> you so sure you are right?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

 

Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:19:51 -0000

Xxxxx Xxxxxxx

" jagbir singh " <adishakti_org

Christian practicing sahaja yoga meditation

 

 

Dear Jagbir,

 

I was a devout Baptist for 40 years when I received my self

realization and started attending my first programs.

 

When I first started meditating at home, I did not meditate in front

of Shri Mataji's picture for 3 months. I thought it strange to do so.

(Inside of me I knew there had to be a Mother God. There was a Father

God and a Son God, so there must be a Mother God. This much I knew

for sure.)

 

In those 3 months I had the biggest transformation of my character,

ever. My eyes opened up to my true behavior and I could see what I

was doing wrong immeditately. I now had the power to stop all the bad

things I was doing and involved in.

 

It was suggested to me, from one of the members in the collective,

that it was better to meditate to Shri Mataji's picture when they

learned I was not. Even though they also could see a huge change in

my character in those 3 months. So, I sat up an altar with Her

picture on it to meditate to. To please them I did so, but never felt

it in my heart that this was necessary.

 

Only recently I put away all Shri Mataji's pictures, after a long

time in Sahaja Yoga meditation, to meditate without it to see what

would happen to me. Nothing... my meditations are just the same. I

did this because of my first experiences in SYM. I realized that some

collectives gave new programs and do not have the new people

meditating in front of Shri Mataji's picture and they too were

having amazing character transformations. It was only when Shri

Mataji's picture was introduced that these people started doubting

their experiences and stopped coming to the programs.

 

I never have vibrated my food or gave myself a bandhan before leaving

my home or getting into my car. Nothing happens to me... ever. I just

know when I should eat the food in front of me or not. I have

witnessed 10 to 20 year sahaj yogi's become ill after eating food

that they vibrated.

 

I never work hard driving to get to where I am going because I trust

God to get me there when I need to be there safely. I witnessed these

same yogi's having car accidents or getting speeding tickets even

after saying all the mantras they say in the car before driving.

 

I took down my elaborate altar and put away all the things I had on

it and I am still okay. The Holy Spirit is still with me. Amazing,

isn't it?

 

I do havans when I feel a need to and I understand the power behind

it is very strong. I can see things change for the better afterwards.

This works for me.

 

There is a very strong power behind saying the deities names for each

chakra in affirmations while meditating. It helps you become that

affirmation. This works for me.

 

I still practice paper burning. Only because I know the positive

power behind it when others have paper burned for me when I did not

know it at the time.

 

I do bandhans, because I witnessed in front of me so many times the

power to change a situation immeditately. I do not understand it, but

it works, and I am going to keep doing it when needed.

 

Having your self realization helps you to have a clearer connection

to God and your Holy Spirit. Practicing the meditation helps you to

maintain that connection. How you grow in knowing yourself is based

on your desire to know God and yourself.

 

If you truely desire to know God and yourself fully, SY meditation

will help you get there quicker if you have courage to see yourself

for who you really are.

 

If you have never had the idea to know God and yourself fully, but

have positive changes within yourself and your enviroment from

practicing SY meditation, this meditation will help you to maintain

those positive changes as well.

 

You cannot allow the Sahaj yogi's to manipulate you into beleiving

that you need all of these things and more to have a connection to

God and your Holy Spirit. Even those sy's who beleive you only need

to do a simple meditation to maintain your connection are still

having some major character issues. It is obvious they have never

desired to be One with God or to know themselves for who they really

are.

 

This is your spiritual walk. Your Spirit will guide you to what is

right for you and stop you when you are doing something against your

Spirit. Beleive in yourself and not in others.

 

Christians, who believe in the Holy Bible, understand the most

important thing that Jesus said, " know thy self is the greatest thing

you can ever know. "

 

Sincerely,

a Christian who believes in herself and God.

[Guest guest]

Dear Christian who believes in herself and God,

 

Thank you for your honest answers based on personal experience. It

will help many forum members.

 

Please give me a few days to answers your post.

 

regards,

 

jagbir

 

 

>

> Question: How does one discard all the organization and useless

> activites (of Sahaja Yoga) and seek her (Holy Spirit/Adi Shakti)

> only in the Sahastrara (Kingdom of God)?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: We are devout Christians who are very uncomfortable with

> Hindu rituals, and see the same in Sahaja Yoga. Is there any way we

> can do without such rituals?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I do not want to meditate on anything non-Christian but

> agree that the Holy Spirit is feminine. How do I only worship the

> Holy Spirit but not the Adi Shakti?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: What will happen after Shri Mataji passes away? Will She

> still be in the photograph? Where will the vibrations come from

> then?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: As a SY I am concerned that after Shri Mataji takes

> Mahasamadhi there will great grief and sense of loss. How can I cope

> with this eventuality and continue my faith and devotion? Do I

> continue to meditate on Her photo even though She is not physically

> present anymore?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: Jagbir, you are already telling us to discard Shri

> Mataji's photo and meditate on Her is the Sahasrara. A number of

> SYs have been offended by this and have left the forum. What makes

> you so sure you are right?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

 

Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:19:51 -0000

Xxxxx Xxxxxxx

" jagbir singh " <adishakti_org

Christian practicing sahaja yoga meditation

 

 

Dear Jagbir,

 

I was a devout Baptist for 40 years when I received my self

realization and started attending my first programs.

 

When I first started meditating at home, I did not meditate in front

of Shri Mataji's picture for 3 months. I thought it strange to do so.

(Inside of me I knew there had to be a Mother God. There was a Father

God and a Son God, so there must be a Mother God. This much I knew

for sure.)

 

In those 3 months I had the biggest transformation of my character,

ever. My eyes opened up to my true behavior and I could see what I

was doing wrong immeditately. I now had the power to stop all the bad

things I was doing and involved in.

 

It was suggested to me, from one of the members in the collective,

that it was better to meditate to Shri Mataji's picture when they

learned I was not. Even though they also could see a huge change in

my character in those 3 months. So, I sat up an altar with Her

picture on it to meditate to. To please them I did so, but never felt

it in my heart that this was necessary.

 

Only recently I put away all Shri Mataji's pictures, after a long

time in Sahaja Yoga meditation, to meditate without it to see what

would happen to me. Nothing... my meditations are just the same. I

did this because of my first experiences in SYM. I realized that some

collectives gave new programs and do not have the new people

meditating in front of Shri Mataji's picture and they too were

having amazing character transformations. It was only when Shri

Mataji's picture was introduced that these people started doubting

their experiences and stopped coming to the programs.

 

I never have vibrated my food or gave myself a bandhan before leaving

my home or getting into my car. Nothing happens to me... ever. I just

know when I should eat the food in front of me or not. I have

witnessed 10 to 20 year sahaj yogi's become ill after eating food

that they vibrated.

 

I never work hard driving to get to where I am going because I trust

God to get me there when I need to be there safely. I witnessed these

same yogi's having car accidents or getting speeding tickets even

after saying all the mantras they say in the car before driving.

 

I took down my elaborate altar and put away all the things I had on

it and I am still okay. The Holy Spirit is still with me. Amazing,

isn't it?

 

I do havans when I feel a need to and I understand the power behind

it is very strong. I can see things change for the better afterwards.

This works for me.

 

There is a very strong power behind saying the deities names for each

chakra in affirmations while meditating. It helps you become that

affirmation. This works for me.

 

I still practice paper burning. Only because I know the positive

power behind it when others have paper burned for me when I did not

know it at the time.

 

I do bandhans, because I witnessed in front of me so many times the

power to change a situation immeditately. I do not understand it, but

it works, and I am going to keep doing it when needed.

 

Having your self realization helps you to have a clearer connection

to God and your Holy Spirit. Practicing the meditation helps you to

maintain that connection. How you grow in knowing yourself is based

on your desire to know God and yourself.

 

If you truely desire to know God and yourself fully, SY meditation

will help you get there quicker if you have courage to see yourself

for who you really are.

 

If you have never had the idea to know God and yourself fully, but

have positive changes within yourself and your enviroment from

practicing SY meditation, this meditation will help you to maintain

those positive changes as well.

 

You cannot allow the Sahaj yogi's to manipulate you into beleiving

that you need all of these things and more to have a connection to

God and your Holy Spirit. Even those sy's who beleive you only need

to do a simple meditation to maintain your connection are still

having some major character issues. It is obvious they have never

desired to be One with God or to know themselves for who they really

are.

 

This is your spiritual walk. Your Spirit will guide you to what is

right for you and stop you when you are doing something against your

Spirit. Beleive in yourself and not in others.

 

Christians, who believe in the Holy Bible, understand the most

important thing that Jesus said, " know thy self is the greatest thing

you can ever know. "

 

Sincerely,

a Christian who believes in herself and God.

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir,

 

Could you please put the email sent to you (and appended here) into the Editor's

Choice at Holy Spirit/Shekinah? i think it will be very helpful for other

Christians to read it.

 

thanks,

 

violet

 

 

 

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> Dear Christian who believes in herself and God,

>

> Thank you for your honest answers based on personal experience. It

> will help many forum members.

>

> Please give me a few days to answers your post.

>

> regards,

>

> jagbir

>

>

> >

> > Question: How does one discard all the organization and useless

> > activites (of Sahaja Yoga) and seek her (Holy Spirit/Adi Shakti)

> > only in the Sahastrara (Kingdom of God)?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: We are devout Christians who are very uncomfortable

with

> > Hindu rituals, and see the same in Sahaja Yoga. Is there any way

we

> > can do without such rituals?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: I do not want to meditate on anything non-Christian but

> > agree that the Holy Spirit is feminine. How do I only worship the

> > Holy Spirit but not the Adi Shakti?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: What will happen after Shri Mataji passes away? Will

She

> > still be in the photograph? Where will the vibrations come from

> > then?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: As a SY I am concerned that after Shri Mataji takes

> > Mahasamadhi there will great grief and sense of loss. How can I

cope

> > with this eventuality and continue my faith and devotion? Do I

> > continue to meditate on Her photo even though She is not

physically

> > present anymore?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: Jagbir, you are already telling us to discard Shri

> > Mataji's photo and meditate on Her is the Sahasrara. A number of

> > SYs have been offended by this and have left the forum. What

makes

> > you so sure you are right?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

>

> Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:19:51 -0000

> Xxxxx Xxxxxxx

> " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org@>

> Christian practicing sahaja yoga meditation

>

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> I was a devout Baptist for 40 years when I received my self

> realization and started attending my first programs.

>

> When I first started meditating at home, I did not meditate in

front

> of Shri Mataji's picture for 3 months. I thought it strange to do

so.

> (Inside of me I knew there had to be a Mother God. There was a

Father

> God and a Son God, so there must be a Mother God. This much I knew

> for sure.)

>

> In those 3 months I had the biggest transformation of my character,

> ever. My eyes opened up to my true behavior and I could see what I

> was doing wrong immeditately. I now had the power to stop all the

bad

> things I was doing and involved in.

>

> It was suggested to me, from one of the members in the collective,

> that it was better to meditate to Shri Mataji's picture when they

> learned I was not. Even though they also could see a huge change in

> my character in those 3 months. So, I sat up an altar with Her

> picture on it to meditate to. To please them I did so, but never

felt

> it in my heart that this was necessary.

>

> Only recently I put away all Shri Mataji's pictures, after a long

> time in Sahaja Yoga meditation, to meditate without it to see what

> would happen to me. Nothing... my meditations are just the same. I

> did this because of my first experiences in SYM. I realized that

some

> collectives gave new programs and do not have the new people

> meditating in front of Shri Mataji's picture and they too were

> having amazing character transformations. It was only when Shri

> Mataji's picture was introduced that these people started doubting

> their experiences and stopped coming to the programs.

>

> I never have vibrated my food or gave myself a bandhan before

leaving

> my home or getting into my car. Nothing happens to me... ever. I

just

> know when I should eat the food in front of me or not. I have

> witnessed 10 to 20 year sahaj yogi's become ill after eating food

> that they vibrated.

>

> I never work hard driving to get to where I am going because I

trust

> God to get me there when I need to be there safely. I witnessed

these

> same yogi's having car accidents or getting speeding tickets even

> after saying all the mantras they say in the car before driving.

>

> I took down my elaborate altar and put away all the things I had on

> it and I am still okay. The Holy Spirit is still with me. Amazing,

> isn't it?

>

> I do havans when I feel a need to and I understand the power behind

> it is very strong. I can see things change for the better

afterwards.

> This works for me.

>

> There is a very strong power behind saying the deities names for

each

> chakra in affirmations while meditating. It helps you become that

> affirmation. This works for me.

>

> I still practice paper burning. Only because I know the positive

> power behind it when others have paper burned for me when I did not

> know it at the time.

>

> I do bandhans, because I witnessed in front of me so many times the

> power to change a situation immeditately. I do not understand it,

but

> it works, and I am going to keep doing it when needed.

>

> Having your self realization helps you to have a clearer connection

> to God and your Holy Spirit. Practicing the meditation helps you to

> maintain that connection. How you grow in knowing yourself is based

> on your desire to know God and yourself.

>

> If you truely desire to know God and yourself fully, SY meditation

> will help you get there quicker if you have courage to see yourself

> for who you really are.

>

> If you have never had the idea to know God and yourself fully, but

> have positive changes within yourself and your enviroment from

> practicing SY meditation, this meditation will help you to maintain

> those positive changes as well.

>

> You cannot allow the Sahaj yogi's to manipulate you into beleiving

> that you need all of these things and more to have a connection to

> God and your Holy Spirit. Even those sy's who beleive you only need

> to do a simple meditation to maintain your connection are still

> having some major character issues. It is obvious they have never

> desired to be One with God or to know themselves for who they

really

> are.

>

> This is your spiritual walk. Your Spirit will guide you to what is

> right for you and stop you when you are doing something against

your

> Spirit. Beleive in yourself and not in others.

>

> Christians, who believe in the Holy Bible, understand the most

> important thing that Jesus said, " know thy self is the greatest

thing

> you can ever know. "

>

> Sincerely,

> a Christian who believes in herself and God.

>

[Guest guest]

No problem Violet. i will also upload the reincarnation post. - jagbir

 

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> Could you please put the email sent to you (and appended here) into

the Editor's Choice at Holy Spirit/Shekinah? i think it will be very

helpful for other Christians to read it.

>

> thanks,

>

> violet

>

>

>

> , " jagbir

> singh " <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Christian who believes in herself and God,

> >

> > Thank you for your honest answers based on personal experience. It

> > will help many forum members.

> >

> > Please give me a few days to answers your post.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

, " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org

wrote:

>

> >

> > Question: How does one discard all the organization and useless

> > activites (of Sahaja Yoga) and seek her (Holy Spirit/Adi Shakti)

> > only in the Sahastrara (Kingdom of God)?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: We are devout Christians who are very uncomfortable with

> > Hindu rituals, and see the same in Sahaja Yoga. Is there any way we

> > can do without such rituals?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: I do not want to meditate on anything non-Christian but

> > agree that the Holy Spirit is feminine. How do I only worship the

> > Holy Spirit but not the Adi Shakti?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: What will happen after Shri Mataji passes away? Will She

> > still be in the photograph? Where will the vibrations come from

> > then?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: As a SY I am concerned that after Shri Mataji takes

> > Mahasamadhi there will great grief and sense of loss. How can I cope

> > with this eventuality and continue my faith and devotion? Do I

> > continue to meditate on Her photo even though She is not physically

> > present anymore?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: Jagbir, you are already telling us to discard Shri

> > Mataji's photo and meditate on Her is the Sahasrara. A number of

> > SYs have been offended by this and have left the forum. What makes

> > you so sure you are right?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

>

> Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:19:51 -0000

> Xxxxx Xxxxxxx

> " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org

> Christian practicing sahaja yoga meditation

>

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> I was a devout Baptist for 40 years when I received my self

> realization and started attending my first programs.

>

> When I first started meditating at home, I did not meditate in front

> of Shri Mataji's picture for 3 months. I thought it strange to do so.

> (Inside of me I knew there had to be a Mother God. There was a Father

> God and a Son God, so there must be a Mother God. This much I knew

> for sure.)

>

> In those 3 months I had the biggest transformation of my character,

> ever. My eyes opened up to my true behavior and I could see what I

> was doing wrong immeditately. I now had the power to stop all the bad

> things I was doing and involved in.

>

> It was suggested to me, from one of the members in the collective,

> that it was better to meditate to Shri Mataji's picture when they

> learned I was not. Even though they also could see a huge change in

> my character in those 3 months. So, I sat up an altar with Her

> picture on it to meditate to. To please them I did so, but never felt

> it in my heart that this was necessary.

>

> Only recently I put away all Shri Mataji's pictures, after a long

> time in Sahaja Yoga meditation, to meditate without it to see what

> would happen to me. Nothing... my meditations are just the same. I

> did this because of my first experiences in SYM. I realized that some

> collectives gave new programs and do not have the new people

> meditating in front of Shri Mataji's picture and they too were

> having amazing character transformations. It was only when Shri

> Mataji's picture was introduced that these people started doubting

> their experiences and stopped coming to the programs.

>

> I never have vibrated my food or gave myself a bandhan before leaving

> my home or getting into my car. Nothing happens to me... ever. I just

> know when I should eat the food in front of me or not. I have

> witnessed 10 to 20 year sahaj yogi's become ill after eating food

> that they vibrated.

>

> I never work hard driving to get to where I am going because I trust

> God to get me there when I need to be there safely. I witnessed these

> same yogi's having car accidents or getting speeding tickets even

> after saying all the mantras they say in the car before driving.

>

> I took down my elaborate altar and put away all the things I had on

> it and I am still okay. The Holy Spirit is still with me. Amazing,

> isn't it?

>

> I do havans when I feel a need to and I understand the power behind

> it is very strong. I can see things change for the better afterwards.

> This works for me.

>

> There is a very strong power behind saying the deities names for each

> chakra in affirmations while meditating. It helps you become that

> affirmation. This works for me.

>

> I still practice paper burning. Only because I know the positive

> power behind it when others have paper burned for me when I did not

> know it at the time.

>

> I do bandhans, because I witnessed in front of me so many times the

> power to change a situation immeditately. I do not understand it, but

> it works, and I am going to keep doing it when needed.

>

> Having your self realization helps you to have a clearer connection

> to God and your Holy Spirit. Practicing the meditation helps you to

> maintain that connection. How you grow in knowing yourself is based

> on your desire to know God and yourself.

>

> If you truely desire to know God and yourself fully, SY meditation

> will help you get there quicker if you have courage to see yourself

> for who you really are.

>

> If you have never had the idea to know God and yourself fully, but

> have positive changes within yourself and your enviroment from

> practicing SY meditation, this meditation will help you to maintain

> those positive changes as well.

>

> You cannot allow the Sahaj yogi's to manipulate you into beleiving

> that you need all of these things and more to have a connection to

> God and your Holy Spirit. Even those sy's who beleive you only need

> to do a simple meditation to maintain your connection are still

> having some major character issues. It is obvious they have never

> desired to be One with God or to know themselves for who they really

> are.

>

> This is your spiritual walk. Your Spirit will guide you to what is

> right for you and stop you when you are doing something against your

> Spirit. Beleive in yourself and not in others.

>

> Christians, who believe in the Holy Bible, understand the most

> important thing that Jesus said, " know thy self is the greatest thing

> you can ever know. "

>

> Sincerely,

> a Christian who believes in herself and God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would like to add something to this too. In my opinion all the so-called

useless activites of sahaja yoga is what makes it cultish and just another

'different' religion. The only tangible experience in sahaja yoga is the

meditation, experiencing your own energy within

- this alone is what will attract people and is what kept me coming

in the beginning. Ever since I was introduced to a load of bull****

(pardon my French!) it has resulted in me having nothing to do with

my old collectives and the nonsense brainwashed activities they

get up to. Yes, the meditation and energy within can transform

someone alone, I do not understand why Sri Mataji added onto it

(because most of these so-called useless activities were recommended

by Sri Mataji let us not forget) a load of stuff which is basically

'unprovable' I don't know and is precisely what makes people

think 'this is superstitious crap and I want nothing to do with it!'.

This is why the silence on self approach in my opinion is the only

faultless, genuine path. Making the link between silence on self and

Sri Mataji is personal and the subtle pressure to try and get people

to 'join up' and go to pujas is cultish. In the collectives I go to

if you have not been to a puja after a long while you get treated

with suspicion and made to feel it is your obligation.

 

Ad

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Can i try to answer you sir..?? regards,adam332412 <lunduner1 wrote: , "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org wrote:>> > > > Question: How does one discard all the organization and useless> > activites (of Sahaja Yoga) and seek her (Holy Spirit/Adi Shakti) > > only in the Sahastrara (Kingdom of God)?> >>

> Answer: Silence on Self> >> >> > Question: We are devout Christians who are very uncomfortable with> > Hindu rituals, and see the same in Sahaja Yoga. Is there any way we> > can do without such rituals?> >> > Answer: Silence on Self> >> >> > Question: I do not want to meditate on anything non-Christian but> > agree that the Holy Spirit is feminine. How do I only worship the> > Holy Spirit but not the Adi Shakti?> >> > Answer: Silence on Self> >> >> > Question: What will happen after Shri Mataji passes away? Will She> > still be in the photograph? Where will the vibrations come from > > then?> >> > Answer: Silence on Self> >> >> > Question: As a SY I am concerned that after Shri Mataji takes> > Mahasamadhi there will great

grief and sense of loss. How can I cope> > with this eventuality and continue my faith and devotion? Do I> > continue to meditate on Her photo even though She is not physically> > present anymore?> >> > Answer: Silence on Self> >> >> > Question: Jagbir, you are already telling us to discard Shri > > Mataji's photo and meditate on Her is the Sahasrara. A number of > > SYs have been offended by this and have left the forum. What makes > > you so sure you are right?> >> > Answer: Silence on Self> >> >> > Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:19:51 -0000> Xxxxx Xxxxxxx> "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org> Christian practicing sahaja yoga meditation> > > Dear Jagbir,> > I was a devout Baptist for 40 years when I received my self>

realization and started attending my first programs.> > When I first started meditating at home, I did not meditate in front> of Shri Mataji's picture for 3 months. I thought it strange to do so.> (Inside of me I knew there had to be a Mother God. There was a Father> God and a Son God, so there must be a Mother God. This much I knew> for sure.)> > In those 3 months I had the biggest transformation of my character,> ever. My eyes opened up to my true behavior and I could see what I> was doing wrong immeditately. I now had the power to stop all the bad> things I was doing and involved in.> > It was suggested to me, from one of the members in the collective,> that it was better to meditate to Shri Mataji's picture when they> learned I was not. Even though they also could see a huge change in> my character in those 3 months. So, I sat up an altar with Her>

picture on it to meditate to. To please them I did so, but never felt> it in my heart that this was necessary.> > Only recently I put away all Shri Mataji's pictures, after a long> time in Sahaja Yoga meditation, to meditate without it to see what> would happen to me. Nothing... my meditations are just the same. I> did this because of my first experiences in SYM. I realized that some> collectives gave new programs and do not have the new people> meditating in front of Shri Mataji's picture and they too were> having amazing character transformations. It was only when Shri> Mataji's picture was introduced that these people started doubting> their experiences and stopped coming to the programs.> > I never have vibrated my food or gave myself a bandhan before leaving> my home or getting into my car. Nothing happens to me... ever. I just> know when I should eat the food in

front of me or not. I have> witnessed 10 to 20 year sahaj yogi's become ill after eating food> that they vibrated.> > I never work hard driving to get to where I am going because I trust> God to get me there when I need to be there safely. I witnessed these> same yogi's having car accidents or getting speeding tickets even> after saying all the mantras they say in the car before driving.> > I took down my elaborate altar and put away all the things I had on> it and I am still okay. The Holy Spirit is still with me. Amazing,> isn't it?> > I do havans when I feel a need to and I understand the power behind> it is very strong. I can see things change for the better afterwards. > This works for me.> > There is a very strong power behind saying the deities names for each> chakra in affirmations while meditating. It helps you become that>

affirmation. This works for me.> > I still practice paper burning. Only because I know the positive> power behind it when others have paper burned for me when I did not> know it at the time.> > I do bandhans, because I witnessed in front of me so many times the> power to change a situation immeditately. I do not understand it, but> it works, and I am going to keep doing it when needed.> > Having your self realization helps you to have a clearer connection> to God and your Holy Spirit. Practicing the meditation helps you to> maintain that connection. How you grow in knowing yourself is based> on your desire to know God and yourself.> > If you truely desire to know God and yourself fully, SY meditation> will help you get there quicker if you have courage to see yourself> for who you really are.> > If you have never had the idea to know God and

yourself fully, but> have positive changes within yourself and your enviroment from> practicing SY meditation, this meditation will help you to maintain> those positive changes as well.> > You cannot allow the Sahaj yogi's to manipulate you into beleiving> that you need all of these things and more to have a connection to> God and your Holy Spirit. Even those sy's who beleive you only need> to do a simple meditation to maintain your connection are still> having some major character issues. It is obvious they have never> desired to be One with God or to know themselves for who they really> are.> > This is your spiritual walk. Your Spirit will guide you to what is> right for you and stop you when you are doing something against your> Spirit. Beleive in yourself and not in others.> > Christians, who believe in the Holy Bible, understand the most>

important thing that Jesus said, "know thy self is the greatest thing> you can ever know."> > Sincerely,> a Christian who believes in herself and God.I would like to add something to this too. In my opinion all the so-called useless activites of sahaja yoga is what makes it cultish and just another 'different' religion. The only tangible experience in sahaja yoga is the meditation, experiencing your own energy within - this alone is what will attract people and is what kept me coming in the beginning. Ever since I was introduced to a load of bull**** (pardon my French!) it has resulted in me having nothing to do with my old collectives and the nonsense brainwashed activities they get up to. Yes, the meditation and energy within can transform someone alone, I do not understand why Sri Mataji added onto it (because most of these so-called useless activities were recommended by Sri Mataji let us not forget) a

load of stuff which is basically 'unprovable' I don't know and is precisely what makes people think 'this is superstitious crap and I want nothing to do with it!'. This is why the silence on self approach in my opinion is the only faultless, genuine path. Making the link between silence on self and Sri Mataji is personal and the subtle pressure to try and get people to 'join up' and go to pujas is cultish. In the collectives I go to if you have not been to a puja after a long while you get treated with suspicion and made to feel it is your obligation.Ad

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Firstofall I am not a Sahajayogi who does anything to be straight n clear.. Joined this group based on one of my friend’s request….Also the answers you got based on individual’s perception. But an Individual’s perception may not be the perception of all……. Try to find your answers given in explanation below… (NOTE: the following answers are given by an individual so it may contain halves. Also I hardly get the time to read every mail on this group. So many mails may b unanswered before n after this….Also nobody is responsible to answer the counter question over this to be very clear…If you are not satisfied you may leave.. Sahajayoga (collectivity/The Cosmos (not Shree Mataji)) wants Quality not quantities ) Question: How does one discard all the organization and useless > > activites (of Sahaja Yoga) and seek her (Holy Spirit/Adi Shakti) > > only in the Sahastrara (Kingdom of God)? > > > > Answer: You don’t need to discard any organization as ‘discard’ itself is a anti word against God. Stay with whatever you are having. Start meditating on whatever you belief but with true desire to achieve absolute ..not to achieve any individual’s bless(not even Shree Mataji) or sympathy > > > > > > Question: We are devout Christians who are

very uncomfortable with > > Hindu rituals, and see the same in Sahaja Yoga. Is there any way we > > can do without such rituals? > > > > Answer: I think you can get the answer in above as well..> > > > > > Question: I do not want to meditate on anything non-Christian but > > agree that the Holy Spirit is feminine. How do I only worship the > > Holy Spirit but not the Adi Shakti? > > > > Answer: First of all Holy Spirit is beyond discrimination (male or female). Get yourself confirm on this.> > > > > > Question: What will happen after Shri Mataji passes away? Will She > > still be in the photograph? Where will the vibrations come from > > then? > > > > Answer: Vibrations come from Cosmos n can only be felt through cosmos only. Individual is a carrier. So consider that Shree Mataji got the way to acquire

this n want everybody to have it. Any individual is just a carrier eventhough he may be an incarnation or whatever. > > > > > > Question: As a SY I am concerned that after Shri Mataji takes > > Mahasamadhi there will great grief and sense of loss. How can I cope > > with this eventuality and continue my faith and devotion? Do I > > continue to meditate on Her photo even though She is not physically > > present anymore? > > > > Answer: If you started believing on any third person, there lies your failure. Start believing on your own self not on Shree Mataji..When you start believing yourself no other thing is required to be worshipped as ultimately you are worshipping the Cosmos..So stop thinking what will happen when any individual passes away. This is not a throne that will be possessed by somebody else dear. The vibrations come from Cosmos n present in Cosmos everytime. It is we

the receivers who may have problems receiving those.. Gott it? > > > > > > Question: Jagbir, you are already telling us to discard Shri > > Mataji's photo and meditate on Her is the Sahasrara. A number of > > SYs have been offended by this and have left the forum. What makes > > you so sure you are right? > > > > Answer: If you really got the answers above mentioned then you have to got this.. Nobody is obliged to explain this. Can't you find these answers in mediatation.? If you belief on urself n really want to know what is God(not shree mataji) and what is against him so strong then you have to got these answers during meditation.. If you are not getting then nobody can help yourself. You are the only one who can help yourself.,. Think abt it and find the answer. Also dont think it as a property that somebody will be throned after shree mataji and will rule ..like these things..as i have also tried to acquire these answers and i got answers in meditation only whenever I tried (Still telling that I hardly do mediataion..depending on my mood not on any individual…).. Do you know why God created this universe? If you find the answer to this you are no more buffeled by such questions.... So bye dear and take care...Decision

is absolutely yours(nobody even Christ or whatever can rule over that..it is only you who can find the way).. .. Take care Regards, adam332412 <lunduner1 wrote: , "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org wrote: > > > > > Question: How does one discard all the organization and useless > > activites (of Sahaja Yoga) and seek her (Holy Spirit/Adi Shakti) > > only in the Sahastrara (Kingdom of God)? > > > > Answer: Silence on Self > > > > > > Question: We are devout Christians who are very uncomfortable with > > Hindu rituals, and see the same in Sahaja Yoga. Is there any way we > > can do without such rituals? > > > > Answer: Silence on Self > > > > > > Question: I do not want to meditate on anything non-Christian but > > agree that the Holy Spirit is feminine. How do I only worship the > > Holy Spirit but not the Adi Shakti? >

> > > Answer: Silence on Self > > > > > > Question: What will happen after Shri Mataji passes away? Will She > > still be in the photograph? Where will the vibrations come from > > then? > > > > Answer: Silence on Self > > > > > > Question: As a SY I am concerned that after Shri Mataji takes > > Mahasamadhi there will great grief and sense of loss. How can I cope > > with this eventuality and continue my faith and devotion? Do I > > continue to meditate on Her photo even though She is not physically > > present anymore? > > > > Answer: Silence on Self > > > > > > Question: Jagbir, you are already telling us to discard Shri > > Mataji's photo and meditate on Her is the Sahasrara. A number of > > SYs have been offended by this and have left the forum.

What makes > > you so sure you are right? > > > > Answer: Silence on Self > > > > > > Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:19:51 -0000 > Xxxxx Xxxxxxx > "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org > Christian practicing sahaja yoga meditation > > > Dear Jagbir, > > I was a devout Baptist for 40 years when I received my self > realization and started attending my first programs. > > When I first started meditating at home, I did not meditate in front > of Shri Mataji's picture for 3 months. I thought it strange to do so. > (Inside of me I knew there had to be a Mother God. There was a Father > God and a Son God, so there must be a Mother God. This much I knew > for sure.) > > In those 3 months I had the biggest transformation of my character, > ever. My eyes opened up to

my true behavior and I could see what I > was doing wrong immeditately. I now had the power to stop all the bad > things I was doing and involved in. > > It was suggested to me, from one of the members in the collective, > that it was better to meditate to Shri Mataji's picture when they > learned I was not. Even though they also could see a huge change in > my character in those 3 months. So, I sat up an altar with Her > picture on it to meditate to. To please them I did so, but never felt > it in my heart that this was necessary. > > Only recently I put away all Shri Mataji's pictures, after a long > time in Sahaja Yoga meditation, to meditate without it to see what > would happen to me. Nothing... my meditations are just the same. I > did this because of my first experiences in SYM. I realized that some > collectives gave new programs and do not have the new

people > meditating in front of Shri Mataji's picture and they too were > having amazing character transformations. It was only when Shri > Mataji's picture was introduced that these people started doubting > their experiences and stopped coming to the programs. > > I never have vibrated my food or gave myself a bandhan before leaving > my home or getting into my car. Nothing happens to me... ever. I just > know when I should eat the food in front of me or not. I have > witnessed 10 to 20 year sahaj yogi's become ill after eating food > that they vibrated. > > I never work hard driving to get to where I am going because I trust > God to get me there when I need to be there safely. I witnessed these > same yogi's having car accidents or getting speeding tickets even > after saying all the mantras they say in the car before driving. > > I took down my

elaborate altar and put away all the things I had on > it and I am still okay. The Holy Spirit is still with me. Amazing, > isn't it? > > I do havans when I feel a need to and I understand the power behind > it is very strong. I can see things change for the better afterwards. > This works for me. > > There is a very strong power behind saying the deities names for each > chakra in affirmations while meditating. It helps you become that > affirmation. This works for me. > > I still practice paper burning. Only because I know the positive > power behind it when others have paper burned for me when I did not > know it at the time. > > I do bandhans, because I witnessed in front of me so many times the > power to change a situation immeditately. I do not understand it, but > it works, and I am going to keep doing it when needed. > >

Having your self realization helps you to have a clearer connection > to God and your Holy Spirit. Practicing the meditation helps you to > maintain that connection. How you grow in knowing yourself is based > on your desire to know God and yourself. > > If you truely desire to know God and yourself fully, SY meditation > will help you get there quicker if you have courage to see yourself > for who you really are. > > If you have never had the idea to know God and yourself fully, but > have positive changes within yourself and your enviroment from > practicing SY meditation, this meditation will help you to maintain > those positive changes as well. > > You cannot allow the Sahaj yogi's to manipulate you into beleiving > that you need all of these things and more to have a connection to > God and your Holy Spirit. Even those sy's who beleive you only need

> to do a simple meditation to maintain your connection are still > having some major character issues. It is obvious they have never > desired to be One with God or to know themselves for who they really > are. > > This is your spiritual walk. Your Spirit will guide you to what is > right for you and stop you when you are doing something against your > Spirit. Beleive in yourself and not in others. > > Christians, who believe in the Holy Bible, understand the most > important thing that Jesus said, "know thy self is the greatest thing > you can ever know." > > Sincerely, > a Christian who believes in herself and God. I would like to add something to this too. In my opinion all the so-called useless activites of sahaja yoga is what makes it cultish and just another 'different' religion. The only tangible experience in sahaja yoga is the meditation, experiencing

your own energy within - this alone is what will attract people and is what kept me coming in the beginning. Ever since I was introduced to a load of bull**** (pardon my French!) it has resulted in me having nothing to do with my old collectives and the nonsense brainwashed activities they get up to. Yes, the meditation and energy within can transform someone alone, I do not understand why Sri Mataji added onto it (because most of these so-called useless activities were recommended by Sri Mataji let us not forget) a load of stuff which is basically 'unprovable' I don't know and is precisely what makes people think 'this is superstitious crap and I want nothing to do with it!'. This is why the silence on self approach in my opinion is the only faultless, genuine path. Making the link between silence on self and Sri Mataji is personal and the subtle pressure to try and get people to 'join up' and go to

pujas is cultish. In the collectives I go to if you have not been to a puja after a long while you get treated with suspicion and made to feel it is your obligation. Ad

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Dear Dhanesh Rote,

 

You do not need anyone's permission here to answer or post. Please be

free to speak your mind.

 

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, Dhanesh Rote

<rdhaneshm wrote:

>

> Can i try to answer you sir..??

>

> regards,

>

> adam332412 <lunduner1 wrote:

> , " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org@>

> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Question: How does one discard all the organization and useless

> > > activites (of Sahaja Yoga) and seek her (Holy Spirit/Adi

Shakti)

> > > only in the Sahastrara (Kingdom of God)?

> > >

> > > Answer: Silence on Self

> > >

> > >

> > > Question: We are devout Christians who are very uncomfortable

with

> > > Hindu rituals, and see the same in Sahaja Yoga. Is there any

way we

> > > can do without such rituals?

> > >

> > > Answer: Silence on Self

> > >

> > >

> > > Question: I do not want to meditate on anything non-Christian

but

> > > agree that the Holy Spirit is feminine. How do I only worship

the

> > > Holy Spirit but not the Adi Shakti?

> > >

> > > Answer: Silence on Self

> > >

> > >

> > > Question: What will happen after Shri Mataji passes away? Will

She

> > > still be in the photograph? Where will the vibrations come from

> > > then?

> > >

> > > Answer: Silence on Self

> > >

> > >

> > > Question: As a SY I am concerned that after Shri Mataji takes

> > > Mahasamadhi there will great grief and sense of loss. How can I

cope

> > > with this eventuality and continue my faith and devotion? Do I

> > > continue to meditate on Her photo even though She is not

physically

> > > present anymore?

> > >

> > > Answer: Silence on Self

> > >

> > >

> > > Question: Jagbir, you are already telling us to discard Shri

> > > Mataji's photo and meditate on Her is the Sahasrara. A number

of

> > > SYs have been offended by this and have left the forum. What

makes

> > > you so sure you are right?

> > >

> > > Answer: Silence on Self

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:19:51 -0000

> > Xxxxx Xxxxxxx

> > " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org@>

> > Christian practicing sahaja yoga meditation

> >

> >

> > Dear Jagbir,

> >

> > I was a devout Baptist for 40 years when I received my self

> > realization and started attending my first programs.

> >

> > When I first started meditating at home, I did not meditate in

front

> > of Shri Mataji's picture for 3 months. I thought it strange to do

so.

> > (Inside of me I knew there had to be a Mother God. There was a

Father

> > God and a Son God, so there must be a Mother God. This much I knew

> > for sure.)

> >

> > In those 3 months I had the biggest transformation of my

character,

> > ever. My eyes opened up to my true behavior and I could see what I

> > was doing wrong immeditately. I now had the power to stop all the

bad

> > things I was doing and involved in.

> >

> > It was suggested to me, from one of the members in the collective,

> > that it was better to meditate to Shri Mataji's picture when they

> > learned I was not. Even though they also could see a huge change

in

> > my character in those 3 months. So, I sat up an altar with Her

> > picture on it to meditate to. To please them I did so, but never

felt

> > it in my heart that this was necessary.

> >

> > Only recently I put away all Shri Mataji's pictures, after a long

> > time in Sahaja Yoga meditation, to meditate without it to see what

> > would happen to me. Nothing... my meditations are just the same. I

> > did this because of my first experiences in SYM. I realized that

some

> > collectives gave new programs and do not have the new people

> > meditating in front of Shri Mataji's picture and they too were

> > having amazing character transformations. It was only when Shri

> > Mataji's picture was introduced that these people started doubting

> > their experiences and stopped coming to the programs.

> >

> > I never have vibrated my food or gave myself a bandhan before

leaving

> > my home or getting into my car. Nothing happens to me... ever. I

just

> > know when I should eat the food in front of me or not. I have

> > witnessed 10 to 20 year sahaj yogi's become ill after eating food

> > that they vibrated.

> >

> > I never work hard driving to get to where I am going because I

trust

> > God to get me there when I need to be there safely. I witnessed

these

> > same yogi's having car accidents or getting speeding tickets even

> > after saying all the mantras they say in the car before driving.

> >

> > I took down my elaborate altar and put away all the things I had

on

> > it and I am still okay. The Holy Spirit is still with me. Amazing,

> > isn't it?

> >

> > I do havans when I feel a need to and I understand the power

behind

> > it is very strong. I can see things change for the better

afterwards.

> > This works for me.

> >

> > There is a very strong power behind saying the deities names for

each

> > chakra in affirmations while meditating. It helps you become that

> > affirmation. This works for me.

> >

> > I still practice paper burning. Only because I know the positive

> > power behind it when others have paper burned for me when I did

not

> > know it at the time.

> >

> > I do bandhans, because I witnessed in front of me so many times

the

> > power to change a situation immeditately. I do not understand it,

but

> > it works, and I am going to keep doing it when needed.

> >

> > Having your self realization helps you to have a clearer

connection

> > to God and your Holy Spirit. Practicing the meditation helps you

to

> > maintain that connection. How you grow in knowing yourself is

based

> > on your desire to know God and yourself.

> >

> > If you truely desire to know God and yourself fully, SY meditation

> > will help you get there quicker if you have courage to see

yourself

> > for who you really are.

> >

> > If you have never had the idea to know God and yourself fully, but

> > have positive changes within yourself and your enviroment from

> > practicing SY meditation, this meditation will help you to

maintain

> > those positive changes as well.

> >

> > You cannot allow the Sahaj yogi's to manipulate you into beleiving

> > that you need all of these things and more to have a connection to

> > God and your Holy Spirit. Even those sy's who beleive you only

need

> > to do a simple meditation to maintain your connection are still

> > having some major character issues. It is obvious they have never

> > desired to be One with God or to know themselves for who they

really

> > are.

> >

> > This is your spiritual walk. Your Spirit will guide you to what is

> > right for you and stop you when you are doing something against

your

> > Spirit. Beleive in yourself and not in others.

> >

> > Christians, who believe in the Holy Bible, understand the most

> > important thing that Jesus said, " know thy self is the greatest

thing

> > you can ever know. "

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > a Christian who believes in herself and God.

>

> I would like to add something to this too. In my opinion all the so-

called useless activites of sahaja yoga is what makes it cultish and

just another 'different' religion. The only tangible experience in

sahaja yoga is the meditation, experiencing your own energy within

> - this alone is what will attract people and is what kept me coming

> in the beginning. Ever since I was introduced to a load of bull****

> (pardon my French!) it has resulted in me having nothing to do with

> my old collectives and the nonsense brainwashed activities they

> get up to. Yes, the meditation and energy within can transform

> someone alone, I do not understand why Sri Mataji added onto it

> (because most of these so-called useless activities were

recommended

> by Sri Mataji let us not forget) a load of stuff which is basically

> 'unprovable' I don't know and is precisely what makes people

> think 'this is superstitious crap and I want nothing to do with

it!'.

> This is why the silence on self approach in my opinion is the only

> faultless, genuine path. Making the link between silence on self

and

> Sri Mataji is personal and the subtle pressure to try and get

people

> to 'join up' and go to pujas is cultish. In the collectives I go to

> if you have not been to a puja after a long while you get treated

> with suspicion and made to feel it is your obligation.

>

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