Guest guest Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 Dear Jagbir, i would like to return the compliments. If there was not such a great brother as yourself who has started this forum and websites, then there would not be myself helping. Then there would not be great souls such as Nicole, Gerlinde and Igor (as well as others) also helping. Then we might not have been able to collectively share the Messages of the Mother given through Brother Tiger and Unnamed Brother! Then there are also the many silent brothers and sisters we have, who will be revealed in time. We are all connected, inspite of Sahaj Politicians who try to conquer and divide us, thinking that they have a true hand in the spiritual domain! It is a collective working out. Either we are together or we are not! Those who just play politics with Sahaj sound like they are in jeopardy already, as per the Messages of the Mother, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, unless they dispense with the politics and get on with the job, from the essence of their beings, and spreading that love around, instead of just promoting Sahaj as an intellectual thing. Jagbir, i don't know if you have ever read these following words of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, titled " Getting Rid of Ritualism and Ego " ?! i have just found these words this week! It is quite amazing what Shri Mataji says about ritualism and how it is connected with the ego! i can also see how ritualism and politics go so well together, much like a horse and carriage! How the Sahaj Politicians have implemented the 'religion of rituals' that is the SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) over the heads of the Sahaja Yogis, thus easily wielding their political wills and whims. However, here is what Shri Mataji says about the association between rituals and the ego: " The people who think that they can control their ego will eat less or use all types of methods to control the ego. For example, someone is standing on one leg or another one is on his head. All types of efforts they are doing to reduce their ego! But with all these techniques, the ego doesn’t vanish. On the contrary, the ego increases! Fasting and reciting the names, increases your ego. With havans also, the ego increases because Agni {Fire), is the right side element. Anything which is ritualistic, increases your ego. Human beings think they are alright, since they have been doing these rituals for thousands of years! They are still following all the wrong teachings! For this reason Sahaj Yoga is against Karma Kanda, that is " rituals " . [There is] no need to do any kind of Karma Kanda. And to go to the extreme point is also dangerous: I had asked them to shoe-beat to destroy their ego and what I see is that every morning, all the Sahaja Yogis go in line with their shoes for shoe-beatings! But I had asked them to do this if you have ego in you! All these rituals have entered into Sahaja Yoga! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Getting Rid of Ritualism and Ego " - Christmas Puja, Ganapatipule, India - 25 December 1997 - 'first part of talk translated from Hindi') [Jagbir, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi continues on, saying that from someone in France, She got the list of treatments that are given in Vashi hospital, and She says that these treatments are only meant for sick people!]: " I got [to see] somebody in France with the list of the treatments of Vashi hospital. But that was for sick people! This is the nature of human beings: to follow the rituals because he thinks that he can do it! This habit of following rituals is not only in India, but also in foreign countries. They will go to the church once a year, that is on Christmas. But after that, they won’t take the name of God! They do all types of dirty work and afterwards go to the church for confession! If you can see this whole stupidity, then you are a Sahaja Yogi! If you have understood 'that the thing which you were doing is wrong, and that you are not going to do it anymore'.... then you have understood the point! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Getting Rid of Ritualism and Ego " - Christmas Puja, Ganapatipule, India - 25 December 1997 - 'first part of talk translated from Hindi') [Jagbir, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi talks about 'special characters' who are 'into rituals'. She also says that 'searching inside ourselves' doesn't mean that we have to continually " know the doors " . It is obvious to me, that Shri Mataji is referring to the constant repetition of the subtle system knowledge, which is the knowledge of the doors. Instead She says we must do as Christ taught, which is to search inside ourselves, know the door, and the door will open! She says that 'love' and not 'ritualism' was the spiritual remedy taught by Christ': " In the ritual doing, people have some special characters. First of all, they are very miserly people. If you talk with such people of the money matter, they will jump on the sky. In Marathi we call it " Kavadichumbak " . [At least] one thing is that in Marathi, there are words that [take] your ego down immediately! Unless and until the word " me " disappears, we can’t be " one with Christ " . But the most amazing thing is that the people from the Christian nations are the most ego-oriented people, especially the English [and the] Americans! I can’t understand how they can be the disciples of Shri Christ. Now what is the remedy for this ego? The remedy was Shri Christ, and He taught that we should love each and every person, that you should even love your enemies! The remedy told by Him was Love. And with love, there is no other remedy. But this love is the love of Param Chaitanya. He [Christ] has clearly told that we should search inside ourselves, know the door, and the door will open. That doesn't mean that you should go on [continually] 'knowing the doors'! But the meaning of this is that you should open the doors of your mind. The one who has a very small heart and is miserly, can’t become a Sahaja Yogi. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Getting Rid of Ritualism and Ego " - Christmas Puja, Ganapatipule, India - 25 December 1997 - 'first part of talk translated from Hindi') [shri Mataji explains that the ritualistic people have a lot of anger in them, but that those who are not heavily 'into rituals' are quiet people. She says that there needs to be a balance between the two. She says Christ mostly forbade rituals because it caused too much ego to come up in human beings]: " And the ritualistic people have a lot of anger. And those who are not doing the rituals, are very quiet people. The first thing is that you should leave the rituals, but respect everything. 'Leave the rituals' does not mean that you should 'kick to all' [dispose of all rituals]. The balance between the two is taught by Shri Jesus. Without bringing this balance, you can’t open your Agnya chakra. Respect all. [However] the false gurus of today are doing nothing but following the rituals. They give you a name to recite for 108 times and ask money for that. Shri Christ was against this ritualism, because He knew that by doing this ritualism that human beings would become more ego-oriented. And to destroy this ego, He had forbidden ritualism. In other words, He was against asking for money in the name of God. But now it is the other way around! Now they " earn money " in the name of God. In Sahaja Yoga we have to see how much we have contributed to Sahaja Yoga by finance; [not by " earning money " in the name of God]. (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Getting Rid of Ritualism and Ego " - Christmas Puja, Ganapatipule, India - 25 December 1997 - 'first part of talk translated from Hindi') [Lastly, Jagbir, and i don't know if you have ever read this, because i have not read it before. But Shri Mataji says at the end of this quote that the people who are spreading Sahaja Yoga are using the 'anger power' more than the 'love power'! She says that we must understand the teachings of Jesus Christ!!!]: " Shri Jesus had 12 fishermen and they went all around the world. Today I have got so many disciples and if you wish, you can give the Realisation to as many people as you want. You can bring all of them in Sahaja Yoga. But you should not be half-cocked, but should go deep in Sahaja Yoga. Until you go deep, you can’t understand Sahaja Yoga. You should love new seekers coming in Sahaja Yoga. Anybody who becomes deeper in Sahaja Yoga should remember one thing, that the gift of Shri Jesus is to love each and every person. Are you doing this or you are getting angry with everybody and trying to correct everybody? This ego is not only against Sahaja Yoga, but will finish that person. Anyone who has ego must take it down and fill that place with love, so your life will become beautiful. If you don’t know how to love, then you should keep away from Sahaja Yoga for a few days. First open the door of your heart, and with this love power, Sahaja Yoga will grow! But the fact is, that the people who are spreading Sahaja Yoga, have the anger power more than the love power, so Sahaja Yoga can't grow!!! We must understand the teachings of Shri Jesus Christ!!! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - " Getting Rid of Ritualism and Ego " - Christmas Puja, Ganapatipule, India - 25 December 1997 - 'first part of talk translated from Hindi') [btw. Jagbir, you know how you said]: " The gulf between their ignorance and our knowledge/comprehension of the Self will only grow wider over time " ? Well this gap need not be there, if Sahaja Yogis start to understand Sahaja Yoga, by going deep in Sahaja Yoga! When they do, they will realise this " Greater One Who is smiling in the calyx of Self " . That is " Self Realisation!!! " . That excerpt comes from Shri Mataji's poem " To My Flower Children " which is appended. warmest regards, violet To My Flower Children You are angry with life Like small children Whose Mother is lost in darkness You sulk expressing despair At the fruitless end of your journey You wear ugliness to discover beauty You name everything false in the name of Truth You drain out emotions to fill the cup of Love My sweet children, My darlings How can you get Peace by waging war With yourself? with your being? with Joy itself? Enough are your efforts of renunciation The artificial mask of consolation Now rest in the petals of the Lotus Flower In the lap of your gracious Mother I will adorn your life with beautiful Blossoms And fill your moments with joyful Fragrance I will anoint your head with Divine Love For I cannot bear your torture anymore Let Me engulf you in the Ocean of Joy So you lose your being in the Greater One Who is smiling in your calyx of Self Secretly hidden to tease you all the while Be aware and you will find Him Vibrating every fiber with blissful Joy Covering the whole Universe with Light. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi (1972) , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: > > Dear Violet, > > Looking back over the years i have to admit that i am truly blessed > to have a great soul and shakti sister like you working on the > forum/websites. Your input and recollection of past events have > proved crucial and critical to advance the Advent and Divine Message > of Shri Mataji. You have done it again. There is a small surprise for > you at the bottom of: > http://www.adishakti.org/prophecies/25_the_eagle_has_landed.htm > > Violet, today you should again feel joyous and blessed that Shri > Mataji has chosen you to be Her instrument .... by first removing you > from the controlling, conditioning Australian Sahaja Yoga collective, > especially from the oppressive. tantrum-prone and domineering John > Noyce. By being truly free from such control freaks you have been > able to channel all your energy, creativity and enthusiasm to not > only promote Shri Mataji's Divine Message, but also help Her devotees > comprehend it for the first time since joining Sahaja Yoga. (i assure > all Her devotees here that not a single SY practising the official > Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion truly knows what Self- realization > is. The gulf between their ignorance and our knowledge/ comprehension > of the Self will only grow wider over time .... and we have evidence). > > My pranaam Violet for all you have done and are doing behind the > scenes to help all, not the least me. i offer you Silence in > appreciation and thanks. > > warmest regards, > > jagbir > > > , " Violet " > <violet.tubb@> wrote: > > > > Re: i heard 'with my own ears' Shri Mataji tell us: " I was the > White Buffalo Calf Woman " . > > > > > > Dear Jagbir, Gerlinde and All, > > > > i actually heard with my own ears, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi saying: > > > > " I was the White Buffalo Calf Woman. " > > > > Somehow i missed the crucial word of " white " when i sent the email > to you, Jagbir. > > > > i heard about the White Buffalo Calf Woman from Shri Mataji at > Sydney, Australia. i can't recall the exact date or venue, but i > believe it was one of the two " main times " i saw Her. By " main time " > i mean those times when we also attended a Weekend Camp of 2-3 days > with Shri Mataji. However i still clearly remember the day when Shri > Mataji talked about the 'White Buffalo Calf Woman'! It was during a > Talk when Shri Mataji touched on many topics, as is Her wont to do. > She started to talk about this 'White Buffalo Calf Woman' which i > believe was being reported about on the news, that it was of > significance to the indigneous people of America. The ears of the > Sahaja Yogis of course 'perked up'. Most of us had never heard of any > prophecy related to a White Buffalo Calf Woman before! > > > > Shri Mataji talked for about 15-20 minutes, recounting lovingly how > this 'White Buffalo Calf Woman' had come to the Native People and > given them cleansing rituals for purification, and that the use of > smoke, was one of these cleansing rituals. Shri Mataji recounted how > this Woman taught them the sacred dances, which if done to the Great > White Spirit would 'rain down on them' the love, joy, protection and > blessing of the Almighty, the Great White Spirit. Shri Mataji stated > that this Woman sorted out some 'specific relationship issue' between > men and women which would allow relationships to continue in a > dharmic way within the whole group or nation. Shri Mataji talked > about this Woman introducing the Peace Pipe Ceremony, which was > to 'make peace' among themselves and other neighbouring indigenous > nations. i believe that Shri Mataji mentioned that this Woman gave > the indigenous people seven sacred ceremonies in all, but i am not > sure if my memory recall is exactly right on that count of '7'. (i > seem to have difficulty recalling numbers and dates). However, Shri > Mataji said that this 'White Buffalo Calf Woman' had promised the > indigenous people, that She would return some day, and She had left > them a pouch with sacred things in it, among them, the Peace Pipe! > > > > As already stated, Shri Mataji recounted all this in a very loving > manner. We had no idea as to what Shri Mataji was 'leading up to'. > Then, in a very relaxed loving manner with radiating joy on Her Face, > Shri Mataji said: > > > > " I was the White Buffalo Calf Woman! " . > > > > i think we Sahaja Yogis were all shocked and stunned into Silence! > Most had not even heard about any 'White Buffalo Calf Woman' before, > although as already mentioned, i believe it had started to come out > in the news, that this special white buffalo calf had been born. > However, we did not know that the birth of a 'white buffalo calf' was > going to be connected to a prophecy relating to Shri Mataji Nirmala > Devi, our spiritual Mother!!! > > > > After all, it is not everyday that prophecies are fulfilled, lets > face it! Even when Shri Mataji said it, we could not really fathom > its immensity. Human beings are not used to prophecies being > fulfilled in front of their eyes! i think it is only now that we are > beginning to truly understand the immensity of all that Shri Mataji > Nirmala Devi, the 'White Buffalo Calf Woman' has taught and told us, > over the last thirty years or so!!! > > > > i am sure it is a Seed that will grow into a Great Tree and unite > us all, the indigenous and non-indigenous!!! > > > > violet > > > > > > , " jagbir > > singh " <adishakti_org@> wrote: > > > > > > from: Violet > > > to: Jagbir Singh > > > date: Sep 7, 2007 4:54 PM > > > subject: FYI - Edit in 'White Buffalo Calf Woman'.... > > > > > > [it also might interest you to know that i heard 'with my own > ears' > > > Shri Mataji tell us: > > > > > > " I was the Buffalo Calf Woman " . > > > > > > warmest regards, > > > > > > violet > > > > > > ------------------- > > > > > > Dear Violet (and Gerlinde), > > > > > > i am thrilled that you heard Shri Mataji claim that She is the > > > Buffalo Calf Woman. This is really significant as the following > > > prophecy: > > > > > > http://www.adishakti.org/prophecies/25_the_eagle_has_landed.htm > > > > > > is directly linked to the advent of Shri Mataji and the Blossom > > Time. > > > i have just updated it with some relevant information, especially > > > that related to this prophecy: > > > > > > " The secret mysteries of the People, " foretold the Hopis a > thousand > > > years ago, " shall be made known when the sons of white men wear > > beads > > > and long hair. The truth of the Sacred Ways shall be revealed when > > > the Eagle lands on the moon. " Any of us who remember the sixties > > and > > > NASA's moon flights know that these events have already come to > > > pass. " [1] > > > > > > i would suggest that Gerlinde too check this page, even copying > > whole > > > paragraphs for her new site. Thanks. > > > > > > warmest regards, > > > > > > jagbir > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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