The vast majority of people think 'this is superstitious crap and I want nothing to do with it!'

September 15, 2007

Dear Christian practicing Sahaja Yoga,

i find this very significant as it debunks the core belief of Sahaja

Yoga:

>

> I was a devout Baptist for 40 years when I received my self

> realization and started attending my first programs.

>

> When I first started meditating at home, I did not meditate in front

> of Shri Mataji's picture for 3 months. I thought it strange to do

> so. (Inside of me I knew there had to be a Mother God. There was a

> Father God and a Son God, so there must be a Mother God. This much

> I knew for sure.)

>

> In those 3 months I had the biggest transformation of my character,

> ever. My eyes opened up to my true behavior and I could see what I

> was doing wrong immeditately. I now had the power to stop all the

> bad things I was doing and involved in.

>

a falsehood that is imposed on those who do not adhere to the

official interpretation and 'rules'. i call it a rule as you were

gently coerced to follow the cardinal rule of the Sahaja Yoga Subtle

System Religion - YOU MUST MEDITATE ON SHRI MATAJI'S PHOTO !

You were better off without a photograph as evidenced by the progress

you made, a progress noticed by other SYs. i can dare say that you

probably regressed, and that you would have made better progress

if you had continued without interference. By that i mean that for

the first 3 months you were able to cover 300 miles but after

interference (falsehood), you regressed to 100 miles. You did continue

progressing but at a significantly reduces rate. This is because your

attention again went outside, instead of within where the Holy Spirit

resides. (Shri Mataji has been saying the same for years, time and

again. Why listen to fools who insist you use Her photograph?)

In the process you picked some of the rules (rituals) for neophytes,

discarding the rest. This mixed bag is a personal choice, though most

SYs would regard it as inadequate. They expect you to take the full

dose of the prescribed antibiotics (rituals) so that your chakras

squeak and shine in celestial health and cleaniness. (What about the

Self?) But the fact that SYs get ticketted for speeding or are

involved in accidents or can't get parking space despite loud pre-

journey Shri Hanuman mantras goes a long way to vindicate what i have

always felt about such practices - doubt inducers. In the first

place, if the Divine takes cares of you why all these rituals? And if

they don't work or are inconsistent, why continue?

But these are not good reasons to abandon rituals. Apparently some

worked fine for you. The paramount reason to abandon all rituals is

that they got nothing to do with Self-realization. Rituals externalize

your attention and the Self is ever more difficult to realize, if not

impossible.

The secondary reasons to abandon all rituals/treatments is that:

i) most of them have been created over the years/decades by SYs and

not Shri Mataji. Any honest SY will acknowledge this fact;

ii) some rituals/treatments are the work of imbalanced and fanatical

SYs. i may even say they are 'mad' - that is why Shri Mataji and the

Vashi doctors had to issue statements regarding some really bizarre

and ridiculous rituals/treatments that SYs were spreading;

iii) treatments/rituals have become the sacred cow of official Sahaja

Yoga. All SYs are forced to worship this cow, and many happily do.

Take away this cow and all you have is an empty shed.

So those who want to continue these rituals are most welcome but

please DO NOT ask/coerce others to follow. i completely agree with

your statement that:

> You cannot allow the Sahaj yogi's to manipulate you into beleiving

> that you need all of these things and more to have a connection to

> God and your Holy Spirit.

The problem is you cannot remain in a collective if you refuse to

follow. The only alternative is to leave and continue on your own.

But what is there to fear as:

> Having your self realization helps you to have a clearer connection

> to God and your Holy Spirit. Practicing the meditation helps you to

> maintain that connection. How you grow in knowing yourself is based

> on your desire to know God and yourself.

i say that having your self realization i.e., realizing your Self

helps you to have a clearer connection to God and your Holy Spirit as

they are one and the same i.e., the Holy Spirit is the active aspect

of God. Practicing the meditation helps you to maintain that

connection. How you grow in knowing your Self is based on your desire

to know God, who is nothing but your Self.

i also agree with Adam's post:

" I would like to add something to this too. In my opinion all the so-

called useless activites of sahaja yoga is what makes it cultish and

just another 'different' religion. The only tangible experience in

sahaja yoga is the meditation, experiencing your own energy within

- this alone is what will attract people and is what kept me coming

in the beginning. Ever since I was introduced to a load of bull****

(pardon my French!) it has resulted in me having nothing to do with

my old collectives and the nonsense brainwashed activities they

get up to. Yes, the meditation and energy within can transform

someone alone, I do not understand why Sri Mataji added onto it

(because most of these so-called useless activities were recommended

by Sri Mataji let us not forget) a load of stuff which is basically

'unprovable' I don't know and is precisely what makes people

think 'this is superstitious crap and I want nothing to do with it!'.

This is why the silence on self approach in my opinion is the only

faultless, genuine path. Making the link between silence on self and

Sri Mataji is personal and the subtle pressure to try and get people

to 'join up' and go to pujas is cultish. In the collectives I go to

if you have not been to a puja after a long while you get treated

with suspicion and made to feel it is your obligation. "

i just want to correct that most of the useless activities were made

up by SYs. The few treatments that Shri Mataji taught in the early

years were to help focus and stabalize the attention of spiritusally

ignorant, mentally fragmented, drug-damaged seekers. They were never

for every Tom, Dick and Harry. In fact Shri Mataji admitted She was

experimenting to see what works best to sustain the initial kundalini

awakening. (Today we know nothing external works, and SYs are unable

to rid themselves of catches even after a decade or two of rituals.)

Over the years the fertile minds and egos of certain management SYs,

with the blessings of leaders of course, helped spawn a Frankenstein

monster that has now brought Sahaj Yoga to its knees. i know it is

true that the vast majority of " people think 'this is superstitious

crap and I want nothing to do with it!' " That is why 99.99% of those

who receive their self-realization leave, never to return again. And

that is why SY leaders/management remain silent on how many seekers

given self-realization are now SYs ............ but the success of

their health fair attendence is always loud. The law of physics

states that empty vessels do make the loudest sound.

regards to all,

jagbir

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org

wrote:

>

> >

> > Question: How does one discard all the organization and useless

> > activites (of Sahaja Yoga) and seek her (Holy Spirit/Adi Shakti)

> > only in the Sahastrara (Kingdom of God)?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> > Question: We are devout Christians who are very uncomfortable with

> > Hindu rituals, and see the same in Sahaja Yoga. Is there any way

we can do without such rituals?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> > Question: I do not want to meditate on anything non-Christian but

> > agree that the Holy Spirit is feminine. How do I only worship the

> > Holy Spirit but not the Adi Shakti?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> > Question: What will happen after Shri Mataji passes away? Will She

> > still be in the photograph? Where will the vibrations come from

> > then?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> > Question: As a SY I am concerned that after Shri Mataji takes

> > Mahasamadhi there will great grief and sense of loss. How can I

cope with this eventuality and continue my faith and devotion? Do I

> > continue to meditate on Her photo even though She is not

physically present anymore?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> > Question: Jagbir, you are already telling us to discard Shri

> > Mataji's photo and meditate on Her is the Sahasrara. A number of

> > SYs have been offended by this and have left the forum. What makes

> > you so sure you are right?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

>

> Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:19:51 -0000

> Xxxxx Xxxxxxx

> " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org

> Christian practicing sahaja yoga meditation

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> I was a devout Baptist for 40 years when I received my self

> realization and started attending my first programs.

>

> When I first started meditating at home, I did not meditate in front

> of Shri Mataji's picture for 3 months. I thought it strange to do

so. (Inside of me I knew there had to be a Mother God. There was a

Father God and a Son God, so there must be a Mother God. This much I

knew for sure.)

>

> In those 3 months I had the biggest transformation of my character,

> ever. My eyes opened up to my true behavior and I could see what I

> was doing wrong immeditately. I now had the power to stop all the

bad things I was doing and involved in.

>

> It was suggested to me, from one of the members in the collective,

> that it was better to meditate to Shri Mataji's picture when they

> learned I was not. Even though they also could see a huge change in

> my character in those 3 months. So, I sat up an altar with Her

> picture on it to meditate to. To please them I did so, but never

felt it in my heart that this was necessary.

>

> Only recently I put away all Shri Mataji's pictures, after a long

> time in Sahaja Yoga meditation, to meditate without it to see what

> would happen to me. Nothing... my meditations are just the same. I

> did this because of my first experiences in SYM. I realized that

some collectives gave new programs and do not have the new people

> meditating in front of Shri Mataji's picture and they too were

> having amazing character transformations. It was only when Shri

> Mataji's picture was introduced that these people started doubting

> their experiences and stopped coming to the programs.

>

> I never have vibrated my food or gave myself a bandhan before

leaving my home or getting into my car. Nothing happens to me...

ever. I just know when I should eat the food in front of me or not. I

have witnessed 10 to 20 year sahaj yogi's become ill after eating food

> that they vibrated.

>

> I never work hard driving to get to where I am going because I trust

> God to get me there when I need to be there safely. I witnessed

these same yogi's having car accidents or getting speeding tickets

even after saying all the mantras they say in the car before driving.

>

> I took down my elaborate altar and put away all the things I had on

> it and I am still okay. The Holy Spirit is still with me. Amazing,

> isn't it?

>

> I do havans when I feel a need to and I understand the power behind

> it is very strong. I can see things change for the better

afterwards. This works for me.

>

> There is a very strong power behind saying the deities names for

each chakra in affirmations while meditating. It helps you become that

> affirmation. This works for me.

>

> I still practice paper burning. Only because I know the positive

> power behind it when others have paper burned for me when I did not

> know it at the time.

>

> I do bandhans, because I witnessed in front of me so many times the

> power to change a situation immeditately. I do not understand it,

but it works, and I am going to keep doing it when needed.

>

> Having your self realization helps you to have a clearer connection

> to God and your Holy Spirit. Practicing the meditation helps you to

> maintain that connection. How you grow in knowing yourself is based

> on your desire to know God and yourself.

>

> If you truely desire to know God and yourself fully, SY meditation

> will help you get there quicker if you have courage to see yourself

> for who you really are.

>

> If you have never had the idea to know God and yourself fully, but

> have positive changes within yourself and your enviroment from

> practicing SY meditation, this meditation will help you to maintain

> those positive changes as well.

>

> You cannot allow the Sahaj yogi's to manipulate you into beleiving

> that you need all of these things and more to have a connection to

> God and your Holy Spirit. Even those sy's who beleive you only need

> to do a simple meditation to maintain your connection are still

> having some major character issues. It is obvious they have never

> desired to be One with God or to know themselves for who they really

> are.

>

> This is your spiritual walk. Your Spirit will guide you to what is

> right for you and stop you when you are doing something against your

> Spirit. Beleive in yourself and not in others.

>

> Christians, who believe in the Holy Bible, understand the most

> important thing that Jesus said, " know thy self is the greatest

thing you can ever know. "

>

> Sincerely,

> a Christian who believes in herself and God.

I would like to add something to this too. In my opinion all the so-