What are the identifying characteristics of a Divine Incarnation?

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir (and All),

 

Jagbir, what are the identifying characteristics of a Divine Incarnation? i am

not asking this for myself so much, but more for those people who can easily be

fooled by those who falsely claim to be a Divine Incarnation! Divine

Incarnations have powers, no doubt! However, special powers alone do not make up

a Divine Incarnation, do they? Appended is basically all i could find just now

on the worldwideweb re identifying characteristics of a Divine Incarnation.

 

Thanks!

 

violet

 

 

What are the Identifying Characteristics of a [Divine] Incarnation?

 

Specific characteristics mark those great beings who were hailed and loved as

Incarnations. An Incarnation:

 

1. Is preceded by messengers who declare His coming

 

2. Is born of immaculate conception

 

3. Lives among the lowly

 

4. Demonstrates God's grace alone is sufficient

 

5. Sacrifices His life out of love and as a propitiation for humanity

 

6. Clarifies the scriptures so that people can understand and practice them

rightly

 

7. Adds something new which is particularly applicable to the era which He has

come to serve and which will be of benefit to all future people

 

8. Cleans away the confusions in religious or spiritual practice caused by

ignorant or incorrectly opinionated priestcraft

 

http://www.yogaworld.org/relationships/friends_of_God-print.htm

[Guest guest]

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir (and All),

>

> Jagbir, what are the identifying characteristics of a Divine

> Incarnation? i am not asking this for myself so much, but more for

> those people who can easily be fooled by those who falsely claim to

> be a Divine Incarnation! Divine Incarnations have powers, no doubt!

> However, special powers alone do not make up a Divine Incarnation,

> do they? Appended is basically all i could find just now on the

> worldwideweb re identifying characteristics of a Divine Incarnation.

>

> Thanks!

>

> violet

>

>

> What are the Identifying Characteristics of a [Divine] Incarnation?

>

> Specific characteristics mark those great beings who were hailed

> and loved as Incarnations. An Incarnation:

>

> 1. Is preceded by messengers who declare His coming

>

> 2. Is born of immaculate conception

>

> 3. Lives among the lowly

>

> 4. Demonstrates God's grace alone is sufficient

>

> 5. Sacrifices His life out of love and as a propitiation for

> humanity

>

> 6. Clarifies the scriptures so that people can understand and

> practice them rightly

>

> 7. Adds something new which is particularly applicable to the era

> which He has come to serve and which will be of benefit to all

> future people

>

> 8. Cleans away the confusions in religious or spiritual practice

> caused by ignorant or incorrectly opinionated priestcraft

>

> http://www.yogaworld.org/relationships/friends_of_God-print.htm

>

 

Dear Violet,

 

The most important is that the origins of an incarnation must be

grounded in the scriptures. And if the incarantion claims Herself to

be the Adi Shakti/Divine Feminine then She must, without exemption, be

entrenched in _all_ the Holy Scriptures. Without question Shri Mataji

is the incarnation of the Adi Shakti, the Divine Feminine of the

Bible (Holy Spirit), Qur'an (Ruh), Ruach-Elohim (Old Testament),

Aykaa Mayee (Guru Granth Sahib), Tao (Taoism), Prajnaparamita

(Buddhsim), Great Spirit Mother (Native Traditions) and Shakti

(Vedas/Puranas).

 

Of equal importance is that She must also fulfill the propheceis and

eschatological expectations of the same scriptures. Shri Mataji has

met these exacting standards. The Cool Breeze is just one example.

Whether you want to regard it as a Sure Sign of being born of the

Spirit during the Last Judgment; feeling the Ruach or Breath of God;

experiencing the Winds of Qiyamah (The Resurrection) after the

Baptism of Allah; Kundalini awakening and feeling it flowing through

the Brahmarhandra; opening of the Dsam Duar (Tenth Door); entering

the Palace in the Head (Taoism); or connecting with the Great Spirit

Mother makes no difference. You will understand the Cool Breeze

according to the religion or tradition you were born in.

 

And if you do not understand the Cool Breeze according to your

tradition then you have a long way to go to rid yourself of ignorance

and endless rebirths. But given the fact that the Last Judgment and

Resurrection is taking place, that is a serious understatement.

 

warmest regards,

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir,

 

Thank you for this explanation. It is just so well put. i will definitely be

keeping this Post No. in my filing system, to refer to. Being the Adi Shakti

requires very specific fulfilment. i have never heard of someone being

'discovered' as an incarnation at a senior age. Usually it is very early in

their childhood, even at birth, that it is recognized by enlightened ones, that

the person is an incarnation. Signs usually accompany, as they did with Shri

Mataji Nirmala Devi's parents.

 

There are a lot of 'would be Mataji's' being proclaimed, but how much

'eschatology' and 'entrenchment' do they really have in all the Scriptures?! It

also surprises me, how often if the the husband or wife is 'declared to be an

incarnation', that people decide their married partner has to be one too! This

propensity always smacks of 'dynasty-making' to me. That is why i am so pleased

that Shri Mataji never said that there was another incarnation in Her family. i

am also pleased that She never appointed any successor, which is also in the

tradition of Christ Jesus, who also never appointed any successor. It's not a

dynasty, which is usually 'man-made'!

 

Jagbir, do you know, if there were actual real husband and wife incarnations on

Earth at the same time. i know we hear of Lakshmi/Vishnu, Shiva/Parvati,

Radha/Krishna and so forth in the legends. Did these actually reincarnate

together, which it seems they did?! i feel they must have done so. But i would

not mind confirmation on that, to be sure.

 

Sometimes also, as in Christ Jesus and Mother Mary, incarnations were together

on Earth, in this case as Son and Mother, but the Mother sort of stayed in the

background, purposely it seems. Yet the annunciation and specialty of Mother

Mary was there, as a young woman, in the early years!

 

i guess i am asking: " Are incarnations usually discovered and/or recognised

early in their incarnation? " i hope this question is not too hard.

 

warmest regards,

 

violet

 

 

 

 

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> , " Violet "

> <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir (and All),

> >

> > Jagbir, what are the identifying characteristics of a Divine

> > Incarnation? i am not asking this for myself so much, but more

for

> > those people who can easily be fooled by those who falsely claim

to

> > be a Divine Incarnation! Divine Incarnations have powers, no

doubt!

> > However, special powers alone do not make up a Divine

Incarnation,

> > do they? Appended is basically all i could find just now on the

> > worldwideweb re identifying characteristics of a Divine

Incarnation.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> > What are the Identifying Characteristics of a [Divine]

Incarnation?

> >

> > Specific characteristics mark those great beings who were hailed

> > and loved as Incarnations. An Incarnation:

> >

> > 1. Is preceded by messengers who declare His coming

> >

> > 2. Is born of immaculate conception

> >

> > 3. Lives among the lowly

> >

> > 4. Demonstrates God's grace alone is sufficient

> >

> > 5. Sacrifices His life out of love and as a propitiation for

> > humanity

> >

> > 6. Clarifies the scriptures so that people can understand and

> > practice them rightly

> >

> > 7. Adds something new which is particularly applicable to the era

> > which He has come to serve and which will be of benefit to all

> > future people

> >

> > 8. Cleans away the confusions in religious or spiritual practice

> > caused by ignorant or incorrectly opinionated priestcraft

> >

> > http://www.yogaworld.org/relationships/friends_of_God-print.htm

> >

>

> Dear Violet,

>

> The most important is that the origins of an incarnation must be

> grounded in the scriptures. And if the incarantion claims Herself

to

> be the Adi Shakti/Divine Feminine then She must, without

exemption, be

> entrenched in _all_ the Holy Scriptures. Without question Shri

Mataji

> is the incarnation of the Adi Shakti, the Divine Feminine of the

> Bible (Holy Spirit), Qur'an (Ruh), Ruach-Elohim (Old Testament),

> Aykaa Mayee (Guru Granth Sahib), Tao (Taoism), Prajnaparamita

> (Buddhsim), Great Spirit Mother (Native Traditions) and Shakti

> (Vedas/Puranas).

>

> Of equal importance is that She must also fulfill the propheceis

and

> eschatological expectations of the same scriptures. Shri Mataji has

> met these exacting standards. The Cool Breeze is just one example.

> Whether you want to regard it as a Sure Sign of being born of the

> Spirit during the Last Judgment; feeling the Ruach or Breath of

God;

> experiencing the Winds of Qiyamah (The Resurrection) after the

> Baptism of Allah; Kundalini awakening and feeling it flowing

through

> the Brahmarhandra; opening of the Dsam Duar (Tenth Door); entering

> the Palace in the Head (Taoism); or connecting with the Great

Spirit

> Mother makes no difference. You will understand the Cool Breeze

> according to the religion or tradition you were born in.

>

> And if you do not understand the Cool Breeze according to your

> tradition then you have a long way to go to rid yourself of

ignorance

> and endless rebirths. But given the fact that the Last Judgment and

> Resurrection is taking place, that is a serious understatement.

>

> warmest regards,

>

> jagbir

>

[Guest guest]

, " caraleen98 "

<caraleen98 wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> Did Shri Mataji say specifically that She has no earthly successor?

> What are Her words on this subject?

> Love, Semira

>

 

Dear Semira,

 

i am 100% sure Shri Mataji has never ever mentioned any earthly

successor. It is just absurd to even contemplete this - it is a sure

sign that you have quite a distance to cover. Worse are those who

claim Sir CP is the incarnation of Shri Shiva. But nothing beats SYs

who believe that WCASY is re/presenting Her Will.

 

However there always will be sick individuals claiming divinity -

praise and empower them at your own peril! Is Ishmael on your mind

Semira? Perhaps Violet's question: " What are the identifying

characteristics of a Divine Incarnation? " gives you hope. i am quite

sure you would want to worship Ishmael too (or are already doing so).

Refute that categorically and i will apologize in public. If not, let

the record stand.

 

regards,

 

jagbir

 

 

>

> , " Violet "

> <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir,

> >

> > Thank you for this explanation. It is just so well put. i will

> definitely be keeping this Post No. in my filing system, to refer

> to. Being the Adi Shakti requires very specific fulfilment. i have

> never heard of someone being 'discovered' as an incarnation at a

> senior age. Usually it is very early in their childhood, even at

> birth, that it is recognized by enlightened ones, that the person

is

> an incarnation. Signs usually accompany, as they did with Shri

> Mataji Nirmala Devi's parents.

> >

> > There are a lot of 'would be Mataji's' being proclaimed, but how

> much 'eschatology' and 'entrenchment' do they really have in all

the

> Scriptures?! It also surprises me, how often if the the husband or

> wife is 'declared to be an incarnation', that people decide their

> married partner has to be one too! This propensity always smacks

> of 'dynasty-making' to me. That is why i am so pleased that Shri

> Mataji never said that there was another incarnation in Her family.

> i am also pleased that She never appointed any successor, which is

> also in the tradition of Christ Jesus, who also never appointed any

> successor. It's not a dynasty, which is usually 'man-made'!

> >

> > Jagbir, do you know, if there were actual real husband and wife

> incarnations on Earth at the same time. i know we hear of

> Lakshmi/Vishnu, Shiva/Parvati, Radha/Krishna and so forth in the

> legends. Did these actually reincarnate together, which it seems

> they did?! i feel they must have done so. But i would not mind

> confirmation on that, to be sure.

> >

> > Sometimes also, as in Christ Jesus and Mother Mary, incarnations

> were together on Earth, in this case as Son and Mother, but the

> Mother sort of stayed in the background, purposely it seems. Yet

the

> annunciation and specialty of Mother Mary was there, as a young

> woman, in the early years!

> >

> > i guess i am asking: " Are incarnations usually discovered and/or

> recognised early in their incarnation? " i hope this question is not

> too hard.

> >

> > warmest regards,

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " jagbir

> > singh " <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > >

> > > , " Violet "

> > > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jagbir (and All),

> > > >

> > > > Jagbir, what are the identifying characteristics of a Divine

> > > > Incarnation? i am not asking this for myself so much, but more

> > for

> > > > those people who can easily be fooled by those who falsely

> claim

> > to

> > > > be a Divine Incarnation! Divine Incarnations have powers, no

> > doubt!

> > > > However, special powers alone do not make up a Divine

> > Incarnation,

> > > > do they? Appended is basically all i could find just now on

the

> > > > worldwideweb re identifying characteristics of a Divine

> > Incarnation.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks!

> > > >

> > > > violet

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What are the Identifying Characteristics of a [Divine]

> > Incarnation?

> > > >

> > > > Specific characteristics mark those great beings who were

> hailed

> > > > and loved as Incarnations. An Incarnation:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Is preceded by messengers who declare His coming

> > > >

> > > > 2. Is born of immaculate conception

> > > >

> > > > 3. Lives among the lowly

> > > >

> > > > 4. Demonstrates God's grace alone is sufficient

> > > >

> > > > 5. Sacrifices His life out of love and as a propitiation for

> > > > humanity

> > > >

> > > > 6. Clarifies the scriptures so that people can understand and

> > > > practice them rightly

> > > >

> > > > 7. Adds something new which is particularly applicable to the

> era

> > > > which He has come to serve and which will be of benefit to all

> > > > future people

> > > >

> > > > 8. Cleans away the confusions in religious or spiritual

> practice

> > > > caused by ignorant or incorrectly opinionated priestcraft

> > > >

> > > > http://www.yogaworld.org/relationships/friends_of_God-

print.htm

> > > >

> > >

> > > Dear Violet,

> > >

> > > The most important is that the origins of an incarnation must be

> > > grounded in the scriptures. And if the incarantion claims

Herself

> > to

> > > be the Adi Shakti/Divine Feminine then She must, without

> > exemption, be

> > > entrenched in _all_ the Holy Scriptures. Without question Shri

> > Mataji

> > > is the incarnation of the Adi Shakti, the Divine Feminine of the

> > > Bible (Holy Spirit), Qur'an (Ruh), Ruach-Elohim (Old Testament),

> > > Aykaa Mayee (Guru Granth Sahib), Tao (Taoism), Prajnaparamita

> > > (Buddhsim), Great Spirit Mother (Native Traditions) and Shakti

> > > (Vedas/Puranas).

> > >

> > > Of equal importance is that She must also fulfill the propheceis

> > and

> > > eschatological expectations of the same scriptures. Shri Mataji

> has

> > > met these exacting standards. The Cool Breeze is just one

> example.

> > > Whether you want to regard it as a Sure Sign of being born of

the

> > > Spirit during the Last Judgment; feeling the Ruach or Breath of

> > God;

> > > experiencing the Winds of Qiyamah (The Resurrection) after the

> > > Baptism of Allah; Kundalini awakening and feeling it flowing

> > through

> > > the Brahmarhandra; opening of the Dsam Duar (Tenth Door);

> entering

> > > the Palace in the Head (Taoism); or connecting with the Great

> > Spirit

> > > Mother makes no difference. You will understand the Cool Breeze

> > > according to the religion or tradition you were born in.

> > >

> > > And if you do not understand the Cool Breeze according to your

> > > tradition then you have a long way to go to rid yourself of

> > ignorance

> > > and endless rebirths. But given the fact that the Last Judgment

> and

> > > Resurrection is taking place, that is a serious understatement.

> > >

> > > warmest regards,

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

BINGO! Let the record stand!

 

, " caraleen98 "

<caraleen98 wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir,

> The person who is to be Shri Mataji's successor will make no claims

> of divinity, or desire any worship or glory for their own person,

> but will draw and focus the attention of all to the Eternal Mother.

> Love, Semira

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > , " caraleen98 "

> > <caraleen98@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > Did Shri Mataji say specifically that She has no earthly

> successor?

> > > What are Her words on this subject?

> > > Love, Semira

> > >

> >

> > Dear Semira,

> >

> > i am 100% sure Shri Mataji has never ever mentioned any earthly

> > successor. It is just absurd to even contemplete this - it is a

> sure

> > sign that you have quite a distance to cover. Worse are those who

> > claim Sir CP is the incarnation of Shri Shiva. But nothing beats

> SYs

> > who believe that WCASY is re/presenting Her Will.

> >

> > However there always will be sick individuals claiming divinity -

> > praise and empower them at your own peril! Is Ishmael on your mind

> > Semira? Perhaps Violet's question: " What are the identifying

> > characteristics of a Divine Incarnation? " gives you hope. i am

> quite

> > sure you would want to worship Ishmael too (or are already doing

> so).

> > Refute that categorically and i will apologize in public. If not,

> let

> > the record stand.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> >

> > >

> > > , " Violet "

> > > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jagbir,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for this explanation. It is just so well put. i will

> > > definitely be keeping this Post No. in my filing system, to

refer

> > > to. Being the Adi Shakti requires very specific fulfilment. i

> have

> > > never heard of someone being 'discovered' as an incarnation at a

> > > senior age. Usually it is very early in their childhood, even at

> > > birth, that it is recognized by enlightened ones, that the

person

> > is

> > > an incarnation. Signs usually accompany, as they did with Shri

> > > Mataji Nirmala Devi's parents.

> > > >

> > > > There are a lot of 'would be Mataji's' being proclaimed, but

> how

> > > much 'eschatology' and 'entrenchment' do they really have in all

> > the

> > > Scriptures?! It also surprises me, how often if the the husband

> or

> > > wife is 'declared to be an incarnation', that people decide

their

> > > married partner has to be one too! This propensity always smacks

> > > of 'dynasty-making' to me. That is why i am so pleased that Shri

> > > Mataji never said that there was another incarnation in Her

> family.

> > > i am also pleased that She never appointed any successor, which

> is

> > > also in the tradition of Christ Jesus, who also never appointed

> any

> > > successor. It's not a dynasty, which is usually 'man-made'!

> > > >

> > > > Jagbir, do you know, if there were actual real husband and

wife

> > > incarnations on Earth at the same time. i know we hear of

> > > Lakshmi/Vishnu, Shiva/Parvati, Radha/Krishna and so forth in the

> > > legends. Did these actually reincarnate together, which it seems

> > > they did?! i feel they must have done so. But i would not mind

> > > confirmation on that, to be sure.

> > > >

> > > > Sometimes also, as in Christ Jesus and Mother Mary,

> incarnations

> > > were together on Earth, in this case as Son and Mother, but the

> > > Mother sort of stayed in the background, purposely it seems. Yet

> > the

> > > annunciation and specialty of Mother Mary was there, as a young

> > > woman, in the early years!

> > > >

> > > > i guess i am asking: " Are incarnations usually discovered

> and/or

> > > recognised early in their incarnation? " i hope this question is

> not

> > > too hard.

> > > >

> > > > warmest regards,

> > > >

> > > > violet

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " jagbir

> > > > singh " <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Violet "

> > > > > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Jagbir (and All),

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jagbir, what are the identifying characteristics of a

> Divine

> > > > > > Incarnation? i am not asking this for myself so much, but

> more

> > > > for

> > > > > > those people who can easily be fooled by those who falsely

> > > claim

> > > > to

> > > > > > be a Divine Incarnation! Divine Incarnations have powers,

> no

> > > > doubt!

> > > > > > However, special powers alone do not make up a Divine

> > > > Incarnation,

> > > > > > do they? Appended is basically all i could find just now

on

> > the

> > > > > > worldwideweb re identifying characteristics of a Divine

> > > > Incarnation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > violet

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What are the Identifying Characteristics of a [Divine]

> > > > Incarnation?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Specific characteristics mark those great beings who were

> > > hailed

> > > > > > and loved as Incarnations. An Incarnation:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Is preceded by messengers who declare His coming

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Is born of immaculate conception

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. Lives among the lowly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. Demonstrates God's grace alone is sufficient

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5. Sacrifices His life out of love and as a propitiation

> for

> > > > > > humanity

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6. Clarifies the scriptures so that people can understand

> and

> > > > > > practice them rightly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 7. Adds something new which is particularly applicable to

> the

> > > era

> > > > > > which He has come to serve and which will be of benefit

to

> all

> > > > > > future people

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 8. Cleans away the confusions in religious or spiritual

> > > practice

> > > > > > caused by ignorant or incorrectly opinionated priestcraft

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.yogaworld.org/relationships/friends_of_God-

> > print.htm

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Violet,

> > > > >

> > > > > The most important is that the origins of an incarnation

> must be

> > > > > grounded in the scriptures. And if the incarantion claims

> > Herself

> > > > to

> > > > > be the Adi Shakti/Divine Feminine then She must, without

> > > > exemption, be

> > > > > entrenched in _all_ the Holy Scriptures. Without question

> Shri

> > > > Mataji

> > > > > is the incarnation of the Adi Shakti, the Divine Feminine

of

> the

> > > > > Bible (Holy Spirit), Qur'an (Ruh), Ruach-Elohim (Old

> Testament),

> > > > > Aykaa Mayee (Guru Granth Sahib), Tao (Taoism),

Prajnaparamita

> > > > > (Buddhsim), Great Spirit Mother (Native Traditions) and

> Shakti

> > > > > (Vedas/Puranas).

> > > > >

> > > > > Of equal importance is that She must also fulfill the

> propheceis

> > > > and

> > > > > eschatological expectations of the same scriptures. Shri

> Mataji

> > > has

> > > > > met these exacting standards. The Cool Breeze is just one

> > > example.

> > > > > Whether you want to regard it as a Sure Sign of being born

of

> > the

> > > > > Spirit during the Last Judgment; feeling the Ruach or

Breath

> of

> > > > God;

> > > > > experiencing the Winds of Qiyamah (The Resurrection) after

> the

> > > > > Baptism of Allah; Kundalini awakening and feeling it flowing

> > > > through

> > > > > the Brahmarhandra; opening of the Dsam Duar (Tenth Door);

> > > entering

> > > > > the Palace in the Head (Taoism); or connecting with the

Great

> > > > Spirit

> > > > > Mother makes no difference. You will understand the Cool

> Breeze

> > > > > according to the religion or tradition you were born in.

> > > > >

> > > > > And if you do not understand the Cool Breeze according to

> your

> > > > > tradition then you have a long way to go to rid yourself of

> > > > ignorance

> > > > > and endless rebirths. But given the fact that the Last

> Judgment

> > > and

> > > > > Resurrection is taking place, that is a serious

> understatement.

> > > > >

> > > > > warmest regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > jagbir

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Semira,

 

Some of the notable things that Shri Mataji said were that if we don't give Her

Message from inside the organisation, that it will be given from outside the

organisation. She said at Sydney Airport in 1994, that children from Montreal,

Canada, would give evidence of Her Incarnation. A leader from Canada, according

to Jagbir, said that Shri Mataji said that 'Sahaja Yoga will spread from Canada,

to the world'. A very notable thing is that Shri Mataji said that we have to

dedicate ourselves to Her, not to Sahaja Yoga, but to Her. Here is the direct

quote, which is really quite astounding, under the present circumstances:

 

" You have to dedicate yourself completely to me, not to Sahaja Yoga, but to me.

Sahaja Yoga is only one of my aspects. Leaving everything you have to dedicate.

Complete dedication – otherwise you cannot ascend any further. Without

questioning, Without arguing, complete dedication is the only way you can

achieve it. " (Cheltenham, U.K. – 31 July 1982)

 

/message/6838

 

It is interesting that Shri Mataji says that " Sahaja Yoga " is only one of Her

aspects.

 

Shri Mataji never appointed any successor, because there can be no successor to

the Divine Mother. Shri Mataji said that She incarnated to introduce us to the

" Mother Within " , who is the Holy Spirit. That is the successor! The Holy Spirit

Within! Which is how Shri Kalki spreads as the collective Holy Spirit within

awakened, self-realised souls!

 

The spiritual knowledge is that we are to worship God in our 'temple within'. We

are to get in touch with the " Divine Within " , and transform ourselves and others

through that.

 

That's all i can think of right now. i hope it helps.

 

regards,

 

violet

 

 

 

,

" caraleen98 " <caraleen98 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Jagbir and friends,

> The question I am asking is what many people are asking. What has

> Shri Mataji said about the future of the SY organisation and SY?

Are

> people to be too afraid of being attacked to ask and say openly

and

> honestly what is in their hearts and minds? I don't want people's

> opinions or prejudices; I want the words of Shri Mataji.

> And for the record; anyone who thinks that I would wish the pain

and

> terrible treatment that incarnations always face on someone I love

> must be cracked in the head.

> Love, Semira

>

>

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > BINGO! Let the record stand!

> >

> > , " caraleen98 "

> > <caraleen98@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jagbir,

> > > The person who is to be Shri Mataji's successor will make no

> claims

> > > of divinity, or desire any worship or glory for their own

> person,

> > > but will draw and focus the attention of all to the Eternal

> Mother.

> > > Love, Semira

> > >

> > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > , " caraleen98 "

> > > > <caraleen98@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > Did Shri Mataji say specifically that She has no earthly

> > > successor?

> > > > > What are Her words on this subject?

> > > > > Love, Semira

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Semira,

> > > >

> > > > i am 100% sure Shri Mataji has never ever mentioned any

earthly

> > > > successor. It is just absurd to even contemplete this - it

is

> a

> > > sure

> > > > sign that you have quite a distance to cover. Worse are

those

> who

> > > > claim Sir CP is the incarnation of Shri Shiva. But nothing

> beats

> > > SYs

> > > > who believe that WCASY is re/presenting Her Will.

> > > >

> > > > However there always will be sick individuals claiming

> divinity -

> > > > praise and empower them at your own peril! Is Ishmael on

your

> mind

> > > > Semira? Perhaps Violet's question: " What are the identifying

> > > > characteristics of a Divine Incarnation? " gives you hope. i

am

> > > quite

> > > > sure you would want to worship Ishmael too (or are already

> doing

> > > so).

> > > > Refute that categorically and i will apologize in public. If

> not,

> > > let

> > > > the record stand.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > jagbir

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Violet "

> > > > > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Jagbir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for this explanation. It is just so well put.

i

> will

> > > > > definitely be keeping this Post No. in my filing system,

to

> > refer

> > > > > to. Being the Adi Shakti requires very specific

fulfilment.

> i

> > > have

> > > > > never heard of someone being 'discovered' as an

incarnation

> at a

> > > > > senior age. Usually it is very early in their childhood,

> even at

> > > > > birth, that it is recognized by enlightened ones, that the

> > person

> > > > is

> > > > > an incarnation. Signs usually accompany, as they did with

> Shri

> > > > > Mataji Nirmala Devi's parents.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are a lot of 'would be Mataji's' being proclaimed,

> but

> > > how

> > > > > much 'eschatology' and 'entrenchment' do they really have

in

> all

> > > > the

> > > > > Scriptures?! It also surprises me, how often if the the

> husband

> > > or

> > > > > wife is 'declared to be an incarnation', that people

decide

> > their

> > > > > married partner has to be one too! This propensity always

> smacks

> > > > > of 'dynasty-making' to me. That is why i am so pleased

that

> Shri

> > > > > Mataji never said that there was another incarnation in

Her

> > > family.

> > > > > i am also pleased that She never appointed any successor,

> which

> > > is

> > > > > also in the tradition of Christ Jesus, who also never

> appointed

> > > any

> > > > > successor. It's not a dynasty, which is usually 'man-made'!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jagbir, do you know, if there were actual real husband

and

> > wife

> > > > > incarnations on Earth at the same time. i know we hear of

> > > > > Lakshmi/Vishnu, Shiva/Parvati, Radha/Krishna and so forth

in

> the

> > > > > legends. Did these actually reincarnate together, which it

> seems

> > > > > they did?! i feel they must have done so. But i would not

> mind

> > > > > confirmation on that, to be sure.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sometimes also, as in Christ Jesus and Mother Mary,

> > > incarnations

> > > > > were together on Earth, in this case as Son and Mother,

but

> the

> > > > > Mother sort of stayed in the background, purposely it

seems.

> Yet

> > > > the

> > > > > annunciation and specialty of Mother Mary was there, as a

> young

> > > > > woman, in the early years!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i guess i am asking: " Are incarnations usually

discovered

> > > and/or

> > > > > recognised early in their incarnation? " i hope this

question

> is

> > > not

> > > > > too hard.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > warmest regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > violet

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " jagbir

> > > > > > singh " <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Violet "

> > > > > > > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Jagbir (and All),

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jagbir, what are the identifying characteristics of

a

> > > Divine

> > > > > > > > Incarnation? i am not asking this for myself so

much,

> but

> > > more

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > those people who can easily be fooled by those who

> falsely

> > > > > claim

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be a Divine Incarnation! Divine Incarnations have

> powers,

> > > no

> > > > > > doubt!

> > > > > > > > However, special powers alone do not make up a Divine

> > > > > > Incarnation,

> > > > > > > > do they? Appended is basically all i could find just

> now

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > worldwideweb re identifying characteristics of a

Divine

> > > > > > Incarnation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > violet

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What are the Identifying Characteristics of a

[Divine]

> > > > > > Incarnation?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Specific characteristics mark those great beings who

> were

> > > > > hailed

> > > > > > > > and loved as Incarnations. An Incarnation:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. Is preceded by messengers who declare His coming

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Is born of immaculate conception

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. Lives among the lowly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4. Demonstrates God's grace alone is sufficient

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5. Sacrifices His life out of love and as a

> propitiation

> > > for

> > > > > > > > humanity

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 6. Clarifies the scriptures so that people can

> understand

> > > and

> > > > > > > > practice them rightly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 7. Adds something new which is particularly

applicable

> to

> > > the

> > > > > era

> > > > > > > > which He has come to serve and which will be of

> benefit

> > to

> > > all

> > > > > > > > future people

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 8. Cleans away the confusions in religious or

spiritual

> > > > > practice

> > > > > > > > caused by ignorant or incorrectly opinionated

> priestcraft

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://www.yogaworld.org/relationships/

friends_of_God-

> > > > print.htm

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Violet,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The most important is that the origins of an

incarnation

> > > must be

> > > > > > > grounded in the scriptures. And if the incarantion

claims

> > > > Herself

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > be the Adi Shakti/Divine Feminine then She must,

without

> > > > > > exemption, be

> > > > > > > entrenched in _all_ the Holy Scriptures. Without

> question

> > > Shri

> > > > > > Mataji

> > > > > > > is the incarnation of the Adi Shakti, the Divine

> Feminine

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > > > Bible (Holy Spirit), Qur'an (Ruh), Ruach-Elohim (Old

> > > Testament),

> > > > > > > Aykaa Mayee (Guru Granth Sahib), Tao (Taoism),

> > Prajnaparamita

> > > > > > > (Buddhsim), Great Spirit Mother (Native Traditions)

and

> > > Shakti

> > > > > > > (Vedas/Puranas).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Of equal importance is that She must also fulfill the

> > > propheceis

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > eschatological expectations of the same scriptures.

Shri

> > > Mataji

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > met these exacting standards. The Cool Breeze is just

one

> > > > > example.

> > > > > > > Whether you want to regard it as a Sure Sign of being

> born

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > Spirit during the Last Judgment; feeling the Ruach or

> > Breath

> > > of

> > > > > > God;

> > > > > > > experiencing the Winds of Qiyamah (The Resurrection)

> after

> > > the

> > > > > > > Baptism of Allah; Kundalini awakening and feeling it

> flowing

> > > > > > through

> > > > > > > the Brahmarhandra; opening of the Dsam Duar (Tenth

Door);

> > > > > entering

> > > > > > > the Palace in the Head (Taoism); or connecting with

the

> > Great

> > > > > > Spirit

> > > > > > > Mother makes no difference. You will understand the

Cool

> > > Breeze

> > > > > > > according to the religion or tradition you were born

in.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And if you do not understand the Cool Breeze according

> to

> > > your

> > > > > > > tradition then you have a long way to go to rid

yourself

> of

> > > > > > ignorance

> > > > > > > and endless rebirths. But given the fact that the Last

> > > Judgment

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > Resurrection is taking place, that is a serious

> > > understatement.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > warmest regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > jagbir

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> BINGO! Let the record stand!

>

 

Dear Semira,

 

i am sending you the email (appended below) which your good (and

equally deluded) friend Danny sent to me, as he is permanently banned

on this forum. This rare leniency is because i know you, danny and

ishmael had a spiritual tryst in cyberspace. (There were other reports

of rape but there are no laws yet to prosecute cyberspace rapists. i

know danny is a serial rapist and financial conman as well, which you

too are aware of.) Please enjoy the mental disease and freak benefits

of your Kalki Klub that you are hoping others will enjoy too.

 

BTW, do you want us to send Ishmael (Shri Mataji's successor) silk

saris as token of our homage and surrender to him? Let us know of his

favorite color, border design and other specific embroidery please.

 

regards,

 

jagbir

 

--------------------------------

 

" Dear Jagbir

 

My heart pains when I see this woman still believing Ishmael is ,,zer

Kalki,,

 

And my pain is very deep,since I made her a sahaja yogi,plus..in my

stupidity,it was me who told her to read the infamous Ishmael

journal..the one with sex with Shri Mataji.Stupid of me..I even sent

her the file.Such was my stupidity,dealing with a beginner in sahaja

yoga,like Semira.

 

But..as I remember I told her,,read his journal,but be careful he is

deluded,,she said,,yes.yes..don't worry danny.and years later she

STILL believes that he is the Kalki.And she still doen't meditate on

the spirit within.She waits for some ,,protection,, from her Kalki

friend.

 

Such is the power of delusion in people.

 

Mr Ishamel calls himself,,son of Shri Mataji,, so he was upset when I

called him in forums ,,son of the asshole,,

 

I had long talks with Mr.Ishamael on IM(which is not his real name,but

his infatuation,of course).and in all of them that idiot wanted me to

worship him.

 

Thank GOD at least you woke up your wisdom muscles and realize that

Semira would twist your words and never accept your challenge of

calling a spade a spade,for the record.

 

But you did it,at last..and now at least YOU know where she stands,and

maybe you'll feel my pain.It pains me to see a soul going astray,and

double since I was responsible for the whole affair of her meeting

Ishmael.

 

love,danny "

 

 

 

> , " caraleen98 "

> <caraleen98@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir,

> > The person who is to be Shri Mataji's successor will make no

claims of divinity, or desire any worship or glory for their own

person, but will draw and focus the attention of all to the Eternal

Mother.

> > Love, Semira

> >

> > , " jagbir singh "

> > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Semira,

> > >

> > > i am 100% sure Shri Mataji has never ever mentioned any earthly

> > > successor. It is just absurd to even contemplete this - it is a

> > sure sign that you have quite a distance to cover. Worse are

those who claim Sir CP is the incarnation of Shri Shiva. But nothing

beats SYs who believe that WCASY is re/presenting Her Will.

> > >

> > > However there always will be sick individuals claiming

divinity - praise and empower them at your own peril! Is Ishmael on

your mind Semira? Perhaps Violet's question: " What are the identifying

> > > characteristics of a Divine Incarnation? " gives you hope. i am

> > quite sure you would want to worship Ishmael too (or are already

doing so).

> > > Refute that categorically and i will apologize in public. If

not, let the record stand.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

[Guest guest]

Semira,

 

Apology will be sent UPS Express after you divulge identity of

 

" The person who is to be Shri Mataji's successor will make no claims

of divinity " (BTW, i have quoted you Semira).

 

Please don't bite more than you can chew.

 

jagbir

 

 

, " caraleen98 "

<caraleen98 wrote:

>

> Jagbir,

> You are way out of order.

> It amazes me that you are so quick to jump to the wrong

conclusions.

> Also, it is even more amazing that you choose to believe the words

> of a known liar. However, at least now I can see you for the person

> you really are.

> I think it is truly disgusting to worship any person as divine.

> Please quote in public where I have ever said that I worship any

> person as divine.

> Semira

>

>

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > , " jagbir singh "

> > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > >

> > > BINGO! Let the record stand!

> > >

> >

> > Dear Semira,

> >

> > i am sending you the email (appended below) which your good (and

> > equally deluded) friend Danny sent to me, as he is permanently

> banned

> > on this forum. This rare leniency is because i know you, danny and

> > ishmael had a spiritual tryst in cyberspace. (There were other

> reports

> > of rape but there are no laws yet to prosecute cyberspace

rapists.

> i

> > know danny is a serial rapist and financial conman as well, which

> you

> > too are aware of.) Please enjoy the mental disease and freak

> benefits

> > of your Kalki Klub that you are hoping others will enjoy too.

> >

> > BTW, do you want us to send Ishmael (Shri Mataji's successor) silk

> > saris as token of our homage and surrender to him? Let us know of

> his

> > favorite color, border design and other specific embroidery

please.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> > --------------------------------

> >

> > " Dear Jagbir

> >

> > My heart pains when I see this woman still believing Ishmael

> is ,,zer

> > Kalki,,

> >

> > And my pain is very deep,since I made her a sahaja yogi,plus..in

my

> > stupidity,it was me who told her to read the infamous Ishmael

> > journal..the one with sex with Shri Mataji.Stupid of me..I even

> sent

> > her the file.Such was my stupidity,dealing with a beginner in

> sahaja

> > yoga,like Semira.

> >

> > But..as I remember I told her,,read his journal,but be careful he

> is

> > deluded,,she said,,yes.yes..don't worry danny.and years later she

> > STILL believes that he is the Kalki.And she still doen't

meditate

> on

> > the spirit within.She waits for some ,,protection,, from her Kalki

> > friend.

> >

> > Such is the power of delusion in people.

> >

> > Mr Ishamel calls himself,,son of Shri Mataji,, so he was upset

> when I

> > called him in forums ,,son of the asshole,,

> >

> > I had long talks with Mr.Ishamael on IM(which is not his real

> name,but

> > his infatuation,of course).and in all of them that idiot wanted

me

> to

> > worship him.

> >

> > Thank GOD at least you woke up your wisdom muscles and realize

that

> > Semira would twist your words and never accept your challenge of

> > calling a spade a spade,for the record.

> >

> > But you did it,at last..and now at least YOU know where she

> stands,and

> > maybe you'll feel my pain.It pains me to see a soul going

> astray,and

> > double since I was responsible for the whole affair of her meeting

> > Ishmael.

> >

> > love,danny "

> >

> >

> >

> > > , " caraleen98 "

> > > <caraleen98@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jagbir,

> > > > The person who is to be Shri Mataji's successor will make no

> > claims of divinity, or desire any worship or glory for their own

> > person, but will draw and focus the attention of all to the

Eternal

> > Mother.

> > > > Love, Semira

> > > >

> > > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Semira,

> > > > >

> > > > > i am 100% sure Shri Mataji has never ever mentioned any

> earthly

> > > > > successor. It is just absurd to even contemplete this - it

> is a

> > > > sure sign that you have quite a distance to cover. Worse are

> > those who claim Sir CP is the incarnation of Shri Shiva. But

> nothing

> > beats SYs who believe that WCASY is re/presenting Her Will.

> > > > >

> > > > > However there always will be sick individuals claiming

> > divinity - praise and empower them at your own peril! Is Ishmael

on

> > your mind Semira? Perhaps Violet's question: " What are the

> identifying

> > > > > characteristics of a Divine Incarnation? " gives you hope. i

> am

> > > > quite sure you would want to worship Ishmael too (or are

> already

> > doing so).

> > > > > Refute that categorically and i will apologize in public. If

> > not, let the record stand.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > jagbir

> > > > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

Not only has this false one, Ishmael, 'insinuated' that he had 'subtle sex' with

Her Holiness (which Jagbir has evidence of), but i think he might also be

'insinuating' himself as the 'Self' of everyone. i think this 'Ishmael'

character might be going by a false I.D. with the first name of 'Ankura'. i say

this because, who, but someone who wants to be a 'Shri Kalki', would bother to

call themselves 'Ankura'?!

 

Here is Shri Mataji's description of 'Ankura':

 

" When your Ankura ['Sprouting'] starts giving you Realisation, you feel your

Self! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk, 'Shri Kalki' - Bombay, India -

28 September, 1979)

 

So, could it be Ishmael then, who has chosen that 'unusual' first name, in order

to try and perhaps 'insinuate' himself as 'the Self' of everyone? After all,

Shri Kalki, according to Shri Mataji, is manifesting within the Self of

everyone! So, if your desire is to be a 'Shri Kalki', then 'Ankura' would be a

perfect name! Especially if you also want people to believe in you!

 

 

(Whether the above is true or not, the point i am making, is that the 'false

ones' on this planet, will use all sorts of subtle mental and psychological

trickery, to try and bypass a person's logic, and ensnare them. i can

categorically say that 'Ishmael' is definitely 'one such character'. It is best

to sever all relationships with such a character that can ensnare one.

 

regards to all,

 

violet

 

 

" You may be a good person, but you may be destroyed because you are having them

in your heads! So there is not [any] hard and fast rule to say, who is a real

'negative' [person], and who is a real 'positive' person. [but] only Sahaja Yoga

is going to cleanse you and make you absolutely positive - positively, for the

good and positive people. This is the only way - when your Ankura ['Sprouting']

starts giving you Realisation, you feel your Self! " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi -

Formal Talk, 'Shri Kalki' - Bombay, India - 28 September, 1979)

 

 

,

" Violet " <violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear Semira (and All),

>

> The fact that you relate that you had this character 'Ishmael' in

your dream with you, and that this same character 'Ishmael' actively

tries to get into people's heads, is of great concern to Jagbir, who

has personally dealt with this 'false one'.

>

> i can explain this kind of a character 'Ishmael', as someone who in

a previous life was a highly spiritual character, gained a lot of

spiritual knowledge, but for some reason, has fallen down

spiritually. There is a precedent for this in the Bible, where

Lucifer, which means 'Angel of Light' - fell down spiritually.

>

> i understand that these 'fallen angels' get to retain their

spiritual knowledge, but because their spiritual consciousness has

fallen, they then start to misuse that knowledge, to gain power over

others. They are able to come into other's dreams, into their heads,

and so forth, if a person allows it.

>

> In Sahaja Yoga, we are not to allow anyone to come into our heads,

as such. The opposite is true, that they are to go away from our

heads. What is supposed to happen, is that the Holy Spirit is to

arise in our heads. i have appended an excerpted quote from Shri

Mataji, where She addressed this issue.

>

> i hope this helps.

>

> regards,

>

> violet

>

>

>

> " The problem of Kali-Yoga, is that there is not a pure and simple

person as a Sadhu or Rakshasa. So many Rakshasas have entered into

your brains. You side with so many people, who are wrong and who are

doing wrong, who are doing all sorts of wrong things in the name of

religion, in the name of politics, progress and education and all

that. Once you have sided with them, then they are in your brains,

they are within you. When they are having [their place] within you,

how to destroy the [negative influence]?

>

> You may be a good person, but you may be destroyed because you are

having them in your heads! So there is not [any] hard and fast rule

to say, who is a real " negative " [person], and who is a real positive

person. [but] only Sahaja Yoga is going to cleanse you and make you

absolutely positive - positively, for the good and positive people.

This is the only way - when your Ankura (Sprouting); when it starts

giving you Realization, you feel your Self! And with that Self, you

know that you are your Self, and not this 'Mirage'. You start

enjoying that Self!

>

> When you start enjoying it, you give up all the things that make

you compromise and make you a horrible mixed-up person. All this

confusion will then go. So it is essential that you take to Sahaja

Yoga, in a most dedicated manner and free ourselves of all the wrong

doings and also the others, whom we know. (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi -

Formal Talk, 'Shri Kalki' - Bombay, India - 28 September, 1979)

>

>

> ,

> " caraleen98 " <caraleen98@> wrote:

> >

> > Jagbir,

> > You are way out of order.

> > It amazes me that you are so quick to jump to the wrong

> conclusions.

> > Also, it is even more amazing that you choose to believe the words

> > of a known liar. However, at least now I can see you for the

> person

> > you really are.

> > I think it is truly disgusting to worship any person as divine.

> > Please quote in public where I have ever said that I worship any

> > person as divine.

> > Semira

> >

> >

> >

> > , " jagbir singh "

> > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > >

> > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > BINGO! Let the record stand!

> > > >

> > >

> > > Dear Semira,

> > >

> > > i am sending you the email (appended below) which your good (and

> > > equally deluded) friend Danny sent to me, as he is permanently

> > banned

> > > on this forum. This rare leniency is because i know you, danny

> and

> > > ishmael had a spiritual tryst in cyberspace. (There were other

> > reports

> > > of rape but there are no laws yet to prosecute cyberspace

> rapists.

> > i

> > > know danny is a serial rapist and financial conman as well,

> which

> > you

> > > too are aware of.) Please enjoy the mental disease and freak

> > benefits

> > > of your Kalki Klub that you are hoping others will enjoy too.

> > >

> > > BTW, do you want us to send Ishmael (Shri Mataji's successor)

> silk

> > > saris as token of our homage and surrender to him? Let us know

> of

> > his

> > > favorite color, border design and other specific embroidery

> please.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> > > --------------------------------

> > >

> > > " Dear Jagbir

> > >

> > > My heart pains when I see this woman still believing Ishmael

> > is ,,zer

> > > Kalki,,

> > >

> > > And my pain is very deep,since I made her a sahaja yogi,plus..in

> my

> > > stupidity,it was me who told her to read the infamous Ishmael

> > > journal..the one with sex with Shri Mataji.Stupid of me..I even

> > sent

> > > her the file.Such was my stupidity,dealing with a beginner in

> > sahaja

> > > yoga,like Semira.

> > >

> > > But..as I remember I told her,,read his journal,but be careful

> he

> > is

> > > deluded,,she said,,yes.yes..don't worry danny.and years later

she

> > > STILL believes that he is the Kalki.And she still doen't

> meditate

> > on

> > > the spirit within.She waits for some ,,protection,, from her

> Kalki

> > > friend.

> > >

> > > Such is the power of delusion in people.

> > >

> > > Mr Ishamel calls himself,,son of Shri Mataji,, so he was upset

> > when I

> > > called him in forums ,,son of the asshole,,

> > >

> > > I had long talks with Mr.Ishamael on IM(which is not his real

> > name,but

> > > his infatuation,of course).and in all of them that idiot wanted

> me

> > to

> > > worship him.

> > >

> > > Thank GOD at least you woke up your wisdom muscles and realize

> that

> > > Semira would twist your words and never accept your challenge of

> > > calling a spade a spade,for the record.

> > >

> > > But you did it,at last..and now at least YOU know where she

> > stands,and

> > > maybe you'll feel my pain.It pains me to see a soul going

> > astray,and

> > > double since I was responsible for the whole affair of her

> meeting

> > > Ishmael.

> > >

> > > love,danny "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > , " caraleen98 "

> > > > <caraleen98@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jagbir,

> > > > > The person who is to be Shri Mataji's successor will make no

> > > claims of divinity, or desire any worship or glory for their own

> > > person, but will draw and focus the attention of all to the

> Eternal

> > > Mother.

> > > > > Love, Semira

> > > > >

> > > > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Semira,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i am 100% sure Shri Mataji has never ever mentioned any

> > earthly

> > > > > > successor. It is just absurd to even contemplete this - it

> > is a

> > > > > sure sign that you have quite a distance to cover. Worse are

> > > those who claim Sir CP is the incarnation of Shri Shiva. But

> > nothing

> > > beats SYs who believe that WCASY is re/presenting Her Will.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However there always will be sick individuals claiming

> > > divinity - praise and empower them at your own peril! Is Ishmael

> on

> > > your mind Semira? Perhaps Violet's question: " What are the

> > identifying

> > > > > > characteristics of a Divine Incarnation? " gives you hope.

> i

> > am

> > > > > quite sure you would want to worship Ishmael too (or are

> > already

> > > doing so).

> > > > > > Refute that categorically and i will apologize in public.

> If

> > > not, let the record stand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jagbir

> > > > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Semira,

 

Let me ask you some questions and please answer _either_ " Yes " or

" No " only. Please answer _all_ questions:

 

i) Do you still have contact with Ishmael?

ii) Do you still believe he is Shri Kalki?

iii) Do you consider him to be the Son of Shri Mataji, i.e., as Jesus?

iv) Can Ishmael in any way be considered a possible successor?

v) Do you love Ishmael as Magdalene loved Shri Jesus for His divinity?

 

i would want you to answer them honestly so that we can bring this

matter to rest. These are simple, straight-forward questions that

many of us can answer in less than two minutes. i will apologize if

you can prove through your answers that i was wrong all along.

 

regards,

 

jagbir

 

, " caraleen98 "

<caraleen98 wrote:

>

> Jagbir,

> I don't know who it will be; or if the organisation will just

> dissolve altogether. I was asking what Shri Mataji has said about

> this issue, which Violet has more or less answered in the meantime.

> Possibly the problem is that the word 'successor' has triggered off

> this misunderstanding.

> I did not mean that someone else will be worshipped in Her place. I

> don't know how you could even think this for one second. I even

said

> in the previous post that the person will NOT make claims of

> divinity; didn't you read that bit? I mean someone who will take

> care of all the things that will need to be taken care of, and I

> suppose it will be one of her family, if She has not said anything

> about this matter. All organisations have people that have duties

to

> continue, so I was wondering how this will be sorted out in the

> future of Sahaja Yoga. Believe me, I am truly sorry I asked. I

fully

> understand now that it is best not to show any interest at all.

> Sorry if I have offended people, it was not my intention.

> Semira

>

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > Semira,

> >

> > Apology will be sent UPS Express after you divulge identity of

> >

> > " The person who is to be Shri Mataji's successor will make no

> claims

> > of divinity " (BTW, i have quoted you Semira).

> >

> > Please don't bite more than you can chew.

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> >

> > , " caraleen98 "

> > <caraleen98@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Jagbir,

> > > You are way out of order.

> > > It amazes me that you are so quick to jump to the wrong

> > conclusions.

> > > Also, it is even more amazing that you choose to believe the

> words

> > > of a known liar. However, at least now I can see you for the

> person

> > > you really are.

> > > I think it is truly disgusting to worship any person as divine.

> > > Please quote in public where I have ever said that I worship

any

> > > person as divine.

> > > Semira

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > BINGO! Let the record stand!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Semira,

> > > >

> > > > i am sending you the email (appended below) which your good

> (and

> > > > equally deluded) friend Danny sent to me, as he is

permanently

> > > banned

> > > > on this forum. This rare leniency is because i know you,

danny

> and

> > > > ishmael had a spiritual tryst in cyberspace. (There were

other

> > > reports

> > > > of rape but there are no laws yet to prosecute cyberspace

> > rapists.

> > > i

> > > > know danny is a serial rapist and financial conman as well,

> which

> > > you

> > > > too are aware of.) Please enjoy the mental disease and freak

> > > benefits

> > > > of your Kalki Klub that you are hoping others will enjoy too.

> > > >

> > > > BTW, do you want us to send Ishmael (Shri Mataji's successor)

> silk

> > > > saris as token of our homage and surrender to him? Let us

know

> of

> > > his

> > > > favorite color, border design and other specific embroidery

> > please.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > jagbir

> > > >

> > > > --------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > " Dear Jagbir

> > > >

> > > > My heart pains when I see this woman still believing Ishmael

> > > is ,,zer

> > > > Kalki,,

> > > >

> > > > And my pain is very deep,since I made her a sahaja

> yogi,plus..in

> > my

> > > > stupidity,it was me who told her to read the infamous Ishmael

> > > > journal..the one with sex with Shri Mataji.Stupid of me..I

> even

> > > sent

> > > > her the file.Such was my stupidity,dealing with a beginner in

> > > sahaja

> > > > yoga,like Semira.

> > > >

> > > > But..as I remember I told her,,read his journal,but be

careful

> he

> > > is

> > > > deluded,,she said,,yes.yes..don't worry danny.and years later

> she

> > > > STILL believes that he is the Kalki.And she still doen't

> > meditate

> > > on

> > > > the spirit within.She waits for some ,,protection,, from her

> Kalki

> > > > friend.

> > > >

> > > > Such is the power of delusion in people.

> > > >

> > > > Mr Ishamel calls himself,,son of Shri Mataji,, so he was

upset

> > > when I

> > > > called him in forums ,,son of the asshole,,

> > > >

> > > > I had long talks with Mr.Ishamael on IM(which is not his real

> > > name,but

> > > > his infatuation,of course).and in all of them that idiot

> wanted

> > me

> > > to

> > > > worship him.

> > > >

> > > > Thank GOD at least you woke up your wisdom muscles and

realize

> > that

> > > > Semira would twist your words and never accept your challenge

> of

> > > > calling a spade a spade,for the record.

> > > >

> > > > But you did it,at last..and now at least YOU know where she

> > > stands,and

> > > > maybe you'll feel my pain.It pains me to see a soul going

> > > astray,and

> > > > double since I was responsible for the whole affair of her

> meeting

> > > > Ishmael.

> > > >

> > > > love,danny "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > , " caraleen98 "

> > > > > <caraleen98@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Jagbir,

> > > > > > The person who is to be Shri Mataji's successor will make

> no

> > > > claims of divinity, or desire any worship or glory for their

> own

> > > > person, but will draw and focus the attention of all to the

> > Eternal

> > > > Mother.

> > > > > > Love, Semira

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " jagbir

> singh "

> > > > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Semira,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i am 100% sure Shri Mataji has never ever mentioned any

> > > earthly

> > > > > > > successor. It is just absurd to even contemplete this -

> it

> > > is a

> > > > > > sure sign that you have quite a distance to cover. Worse

> are

> > > > those who claim Sir CP is the incarnation of Shri Shiva. But

> > > nothing

> > > > beats SYs who believe that WCASY is re/presenting Her Will.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However there always will be sick individuals claiming

> > > > divinity - praise and empower them at your own peril! Is

> Ishmael

> > on

> > > > your mind Semira? Perhaps Violet's question: " What are the

> > > identifying

> > > > > > > characteristics of a Divine Incarnation? " gives you

> hope. i

> > > am

> > > > > > quite sure you would want to worship Ishmael too (or are

> > > already

> > > > doing so).

> > > > > > > Refute that categorically and i will apologize in

> public. If

> > > > not, let the record stand.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > jagbir

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Semira (and All),

 

The fact that you relate that you had this character 'Ishmael' in your dream

with you, and that this same character 'Ishmael' actively tries to get into

people's heads, is of great concern to Jagbir, who has personally dealt with

this 'false one'.

 

i can explain this kind of a character 'Ishmael', as someone who in a previous

life was a highly spiritual character, gained a lot of spiritual knowledge, but

for some reason, has fallen down spiritually. There is a precedent for this in

the Bible, where Lucifer, which means 'Angel of Light' - fell down spiritually.

 

i understand that these 'fallen angels' get to retain their spiritual knowledge,

but because their spiritual consciousness has fallen, they then start to misuse

that knowledge, to gain power over others. They are able to come into other's

dreams, into their heads, and so forth, if a person allows it.

 

In Sahaja Yoga, we are not to allow anyone to come into our heads, as such. The

opposite is true, that they are to go away from our heads. What is supposed to

happen, is that the Holy Spirit is to arise in our heads. i have appended an

excerpted quote from Shri Mataji, where She addressed this issue.

 

i hope this helps.

 

regards,

 

violet

 

 

 

" The problem of Kali-Yuga, is that there is not a pure and simple person as a

Sadhu or Rakshasa. So many Rakshasas have entered into your brains. You side

with so many people, who are wrong and who are doing wrong, who are doing all

sorts of wrong things in the name of religion, in the name of politics, progress

and education and all that. Once you have sided with them, then they are in your

brains, they are within you. When they are having [their place] within you, how

to destroy the [negative influence]?

 

You may be a good person, but you may be destroyed because you are having them

in your heads! So there is not [any] hard and fast rule to say, who is a real

" negative " [person], and who is a real positive person. [but] only Sahaja Yoga

is going to cleanse you and make you absolutely positive - positively, for the

good and positive people. This is the only way - when your Ankura (Sprouting);

when it starts giving you Realization, you feel your Self! And with that Self,

you know that you are your Self, and not this 'Mirage'. You start enjoying that

Self!

 

When you start enjoying it, you give up all the things that make you compromise

and make you a horrible mixed-up person. All this confusion will then go. So it

is essential that you take to Sahaja Yoga, in a most dedicated manner and free

ourselves of all the wrong doings and also the others, whom we know. (Shri

Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk, 'Shri Kalki' - Bombay, India - 28 September,

1979)

 

 

,

" caraleen98 " <caraleen98 wrote:

>

> Jagbir,

> You are way out of order.

> It amazes me that you are so quick to jump to the wrong

conclusions.

> Also, it is even more amazing that you choose to believe the words

> of a known liar. However, at least now I can see you for the person

> you really are.

> I think it is truly disgusting to worship any person as divine.

> Please quote in public where I have ever said that I worship any

> person as divine.

> Semira

>

>

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > , " jagbir singh "

> > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > >

> > > BINGO! Let the record stand!

> > >

> >

> > Dear Semira,

> >

> > i am sending you the email (appended below) which your good (and

> > equally deluded) friend Danny sent to me, as he is permanently

> banned

> > on this forum. This rare leniency is because i know you, danny and

> > ishmael had a spiritual tryst in cyberspace. (There were other

> reports

> > of rape but there are no laws yet to prosecute cyberspace

rapists.

> i

> > know danny is a serial rapist and financial conman as well, which

> you

> > too are aware of.) Please enjoy the mental disease and freak

> benefits

> > of your Kalki Klub that you are hoping others will enjoy too.

> >

> > BTW, do you want us to send Ishmael (Shri Mataji's successor) silk

> > saris as token of our homage and surrender to him? Let us know of

> his

> > favorite color, border design and other specific embroidery

please.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> > --------------------------------

> >

> > " Dear Jagbir

> >

> > My heart pains when I see this woman still believing Ishmael

> is ,,zer

> > Kalki,,

> >

> > And my pain is very deep,since I made her a sahaja yogi,plus..in

my

> > stupidity,it was me who told her to read the infamous Ishmael

> > journal..the one with sex with Shri Mataji.Stupid of me..I even

> sent

> > her the file.Such was my stupidity,dealing with a beginner in

> sahaja

> > yoga,like Semira.

> >

> > But..as I remember I told her,,read his journal,but be careful he

> is

> > deluded,,she said,,yes.yes..don't worry danny.and years later she

> > STILL believes that he is the Kalki.And she still doen't

meditate

> on

> > the spirit within.She waits for some ,,protection,, from her Kalki

> > friend.

> >

> > Such is the power of delusion in people.

> >

> > Mr Ishamel calls himself,,son of Shri Mataji,, so he was upset

> when I

> > called him in forums ,,son of the asshole,,

> >

> > I had long talks with Mr.Ishamael on IM(which is not his real

> name,but

> > his infatuation,of course).and in all of them that idiot wanted

me

> to

> > worship him.

> >

> > Thank GOD at least you woke up your wisdom muscles and realize

that

> > Semira would twist your words and never accept your challenge of

> > calling a spade a spade,for the record.

> >

> > But you did it,at last..and now at least YOU know where she

> stands,and

> > maybe you'll feel my pain.It pains me to see a soul going

> astray,and

> > double since I was responsible for the whole affair of her meeting

> > Ishmael.

> >

> > love,danny "

> >

> >

> >

> > > , " caraleen98 "

> > > <caraleen98@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jagbir,

> > > > The person who is to be Shri Mataji's successor will make no

> > claims of divinity, or desire any worship or glory for their own

> > person, but will draw and focus the attention of all to the

Eternal

> > Mother.

> > > > Love, Semira

> > > >

> > > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Semira,

> > > > >

> > > > > i am 100% sure Shri Mataji has never ever mentioned any

> earthly

> > > > > successor. It is just absurd to even contemplete this - it

> is a

> > > > sure sign that you have quite a distance to cover. Worse are

> > those who claim Sir CP is the incarnation of Shri Shiva. But

> nothing

> > beats SYs who believe that WCASY is re/presenting Her Will.

> > > > >

> > > > > However there always will be sick individuals claiming

> > divinity - praise and empower them at your own peril! Is Ishmael

on

> > your mind Semira? Perhaps Violet's question: " What are the

> identifying

> > > > > characteristics of a Divine Incarnation? " gives you hope. i

> am

> > > > quite sure you would want to worship Ishmael too (or are

> already

> > doing so).

> > > > > Refute that categorically and i will apologize in public. If

> > not, let the record stand.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > jagbir

> > > > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Semira,

 

i think Jagbir wants to be sure whether you are 'supporting Ishmael', or not.

You really need to be honest with yourself, and others, about that. Perhaps you

feel you can support both, but that is where the real subtle problem lies. How

can you support someone, who claims to have had 'subtle sex' with Shri Mataji?

This goes against Her Holiness! But maybe, you think that is OK. i don't know

your mind. The thing is, 'Ishmael' in fact excels at 'smudging the lines'

between himself and Shri Mataji, in terms of a 'would-be-Kalki-incarnation'.

That is why it is very important that you face yourself, by yourself, on this

issue, and see whether you really do believe in 'Ishmael' or whether you believe

in 'Shri Mataji'. But you can't believe in both at the same time - take it from

me. You know i would not tell you wrong.

 

with love,

 

violet

 

 

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> Semira,

>

> Let me ask you some questions and please answer _either_ " Yes " or

> " No " only. Please answer _all_ questions:

>

> i) Do you still have contact with Ishmael?

> ii) Do you still believe he is Shri Kalki?

> iii) Do you consider him to be the Son of Shri Mataji, i.e., as

Jesus?

> iv) Can Ishmael in any way be considered a possible successor?

> v) Do you love Ishmael as Magdalene loved Shri Jesus for His

divinity?

>

> i would want you to answer them honestly so that we can bring this

> matter to rest. These are simple, straight-forward questions that

> many of us can answer in less than two minutes. i will apologize

if

> you can prove through your answers that i was wrong all along.

>

> regards,

>

> jagbir

>

> , " caraleen98 "

> <caraleen98@> wrote:

> >

> > Jagbir,

> > I don't know who it will be; or if the organisation will just

> > dissolve altogether. I was asking what Shri Mataji has said

about

> > this issue, which Violet has more or less answered in the

meantime.

> > Possibly the problem is that the word 'successor' has triggered

off

> > this misunderstanding.

> > I did not mean that someone else will be worshipped in Her

place. I

> > don't know how you could even think this for one second. I even

> said

> > in the previous post that the person will NOT make claims of

> > divinity; didn't you read that bit? I mean someone who will take

> > care of all the things that will need to be taken care of, and I

> > suppose it will be one of her family, if She has not said

anything

> > about this matter. All organisations have people that have

duties

> to

> > continue, so I was wondering how this will be sorted out in the

> > future of Sahaja Yoga. Believe me, I am truly sorry I asked. I

> fully

> > understand now that it is best not to show any interest at all.

> > Sorry if I have offended people, it was not my intention.

> > Semira

> >

> >

> > , " jagbir singh "

> > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Semira,

> > >

> > > Apology will be sent UPS Express after you divulge identity of

> > >

> > > " The person who is to be Shri Mataji's successor will make no

> > claims

> > > of divinity " (BTW, i have quoted you Semira).

> > >

> > > Please don't bite more than you can chew.

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> > >

> > > , " caraleen98 "

> > > <caraleen98@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Jagbir,

> > > > You are way out of order.

> > > > It amazes me that you are so quick to jump to the wrong

> > > conclusions.

> > > > Also, it is even more amazing that you choose to believe the

> > words

> > > > of a known liar. However, at least now I can see you for the

> > person

> > > > you really are.

> > > > I think it is truly disgusting to worship any person as

divine.

> > > > Please quote in public where I have ever said that I worship

> any

> > > > person as divine.

> > > > Semira

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > , " jagbir

singh "

> > > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BINGO! Let the record stand!

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Semira,

> > > > >

> > > > > i am sending you the email (appended below) which your

good

> > (and

> > > > > equally deluded) friend Danny sent to me, as he is

> permanently

> > > > banned

> > > > > on this forum. This rare leniency is because i know you,

> danny

> > and

> > > > > ishmael had a spiritual tryst in cyberspace. (There were

> other

> > > > reports

> > > > > of rape but there are no laws yet to prosecute cyberspace

> > > rapists.

> > > > i

> > > > > know danny is a serial rapist and financial conman as

well,

> > which

> > > > you

> > > > > too are aware of.) Please enjoy the mental disease and

freak

> > > > benefits

> > > > > of your Kalki Klub that you are hoping others will enjoy

too.

> > > > >

> > > > > BTW, do you want us to send Ishmael (Shri Mataji's

successor)

> > silk

> > > > > saris as token of our homage and surrender to him? Let us

> know

> > of

> > > > his

> > > > > favorite color, border design and other specific

embroidery

> > > please.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > jagbir

> > > > >

> > > > > --------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > " Dear Jagbir

> > > > >

> > > > > My heart pains when I see this woman still believing

Ishmael

> > > > is ,,zer

> > > > > Kalki,,

> > > > >

> > > > > And my pain is very deep,since I made her a sahaja

> > yogi,plus..in

> > > my

> > > > > stupidity,it was me who told her to read the infamous

Ishmael

> > > > > journal..the one with sex with Shri Mataji.Stupid of me..I

> > even

> > > > sent

> > > > > her the file.Such was my stupidity,dealing with a beginner

in

> > > > sahaja

> > > > > yoga,like Semira.

> > > > >

> > > > > But..as I remember I told her,,read his journal,but be

> careful

> > he

> > > > is

> > > > > deluded,,she said,,yes.yes..don't worry danny.and years

later

> > she

> > > > > STILL believes that he is the Kalki.And she still doen't

> > > meditate

> > > > on

> > > > > the spirit within.She waits for some ,,protection,, from

her

> > Kalki

> > > > > friend.

> > > > >

> > > > > Such is the power of delusion in people.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Ishamel calls himself,,son of Shri Mataji,, so he was

> upset

> > > > when I

> > > > > called him in forums ,,son of the asshole,,

> > > > >

> > > > > I had long talks with Mr.Ishamael on IM(which is not his

real

> > > > name,but

> > > > > his infatuation,of course).and in all of them that idiot

> > wanted

> > > me

> > > > to

> > > > > worship him.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank GOD at least you woke up your wisdom muscles and

> realize

> > > that

> > > > > Semira would twist your words and never accept your

challenge

> > of

> > > > > calling a spade a spade,for the record.

> > > > >

> > > > > But you did it,at last..and now at least YOU know where

she

> > > > stands,and

> > > > > maybe you'll feel my pain.It pains me to see a soul going

> > > > astray,and

> > > > > double since I was responsible for the whole affair of her

> > meeting

> > > > > Ishmael.

> > > > >

> > > > > love,danny "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > ,

" caraleen98 "

> > > > > > <caraleen98@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Jagbir,

> > > > > > > The person who is to be Shri Mataji's successor will

make

> > no

> > > > > claims of divinity, or desire any worship or glory for

their

> > own

> > > > > person, but will draw and focus the attention of all to

the

> > > Eternal

> > > > > Mother.

> > > > > > > Love, Semira

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " jagbir

> > singh "

> > > > > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Semira,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i am 100% sure Shri Mataji has never ever mentioned

any

> > > > earthly

> > > > > > > > successor. It is just absurd to even contemplete

this -

> > it

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > sure sign that you have quite a distance to cover.

Worse

> > are

> > > > > those who claim Sir CP is the incarnation of Shri Shiva.

But

> > > > nothing

> > > > > beats SYs who believe that WCASY is re/presenting Her Will.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However there always will be sick individuals

claiming

> > > > > divinity - praise and empower them at your own peril! Is

> > Ishmael

> > > on

> > > > > your mind Semira? Perhaps Violet's question: " What are the

> > > > identifying

> > > > > > > > characteristics of a Divine Incarnation? " gives you

> > hope. i

> > > > am

> > > > > > > quite sure you would want to worship Ishmael too (or

are

> > > > already

> > > > > doing so).

> > > > > > > > Refute that categorically and i will apologize in

> > public. If

> > > > > not, let the record stand.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > jagbir

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Semira,

 

You have again evaded the issues and Ishmael's timely interference

only reinforces my convictions:

 

" Violet,

 

I will only address you once, and only because i care for your

immortal soul. Stop where you are and go no further. You will soon

find yourself in a place from where you can not escape. Escape from

your own sin is what i mean. When god reveals truth to you, you run

the risk of not being able to forgive yourself for what you have

done. That is my only concern here. You can continue to be jagbir's

errand child and parrot, is no concern of mine, that is your choice.

But i am telling you, you are acting out of pure ignorance in regard

to what you are saying about me. PURE IGNORANCE. I have never ever in

my life said any of these things about Shri Mataji. I once said about

SHAKTI..There is a world of difference and i am not going to explain

myself to you, i have no need to. Be careful, you are playing into

dangerous hands..Jagbir is not what he seems..but that is your

problem not mine..You all make my stomach turn. Jai Shri Mataji!

 

Ishmael "

 

It is clear that Ishmael is talking about himself and with his sowrd

of juddgment wants to strike those who offend him. On the flip side,

he also want to personally save their souls.

 

But i know this freak who tries to gather his own cult of

worshippers. i remember him taking a photo of himself with some sort

of light baldish head and sending it to me. At that time i was polite

enough to keep silent, since he had just made contact with me. It was

so obvious that he had climbed on a chair or stool and taken a photo

with his head close to the bulb. That was the first red flag, and

more were raised. The rest is history. Ishmael is very sick mentally

and needs to seek a psychiatrist.

 

So that brings uorts back to you Semira who has again evaded the

issues. Please do not falsely claim that i am trying to ban/hurt you,

or that i am angry etc. i have nothing to gain from this rather long

exercise. But when you imply in very subtle language about Ishmael,

which is not apparent to many innocent members here, i will spare no

effort to make sure you do not recruit anyone from this forum. You

can say or accuse me of anything but my focus is clear - i know how

this Ishmael character works and how much you are entangled with him.

Even you are not aware of what i am aware of him, despite you spending

all these years supporting his cause. Your tantrums are not going to

change my views, and neither will your private praise. i am deaf to

such emotional balckmail.

 

So the questions that need answering are:

 

ii) Do you still believe he is Shri Kalki?

(If you do not know Kalki may i suggest the Second Coming of Christ.

Hope that is Christian enough. Just say " Yes " or " No " .)

iii) Do you consider him to be the Son of Shri Mataji, i.e., as Jesus?

(Please understand that i said " as Jesus " and you said " Yes " . There

is only one Son of God though there are countless sons. i do not want

you to feign ignorance and claim that we have again misunderstood

you. So is Ishmael the only Son or one of the countless sons?)

 

And Semira, please stop posting your dreams here since you are

starting to advertise Ishmael. i let that one pass but the present

uproar compels and end to all this Ishmael nonsense. i am sure you

have dreams that you will never make public. So why pick and choose

the better ones. But they are all a figmengt of your imagination,

just as being Kalki is a figment of Ishmael's imagination. i am sure

none of us want to be enlightened by fiction.

 

regards,

 

jagbir

 

 

, " caraleen98 "

<caraleen98 wrote:

>

> Jagbir,

> I now realise that whatever I say will get attacked; whether I

> answer or not. However, it is not in my nature to be evasive or

> dishonest, and I am not afraid.

> So here you are;

>

> i) Do you still have contact with Ishmael?

> Yes.

> ii) Do you still believe he is Shri Kalki?

> I have never ever claimed this. I don't really know; Shri Kalki is

a

> Hindu concept. I am Christian.

> > iii) Do you consider him to be the Son of Shri Mataji, i.e., as

> Jesus?

> Yes. She has more than one son only, though.

> > iv) Can Ishmael in any way be considered a possible successor?

> No.

> > v) Do you love Ishmael as Magdalene loved Shri Jesus for His

> divinity?

> No. He is my Brother.

>

> Regards, Semira

>

>

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > Semira,

> >

> > Let me ask you some questions and please answer _either_ " Yes " or

> > " No " only. Please answer _all_ questions:

> >

> > i) Do you still have contact with Ishmael?

> > ii) Do you still believe he is Shri Kalki?

> > iii) Do you consider him to be the Son of Shri Mataji, i.e., as

> Jesus?

> > iv) Can Ishmael in any way be considered a possible successor?

> > v) Do you love Ishmael as Magdalene loved Shri Jesus for His

> divinity?

> >

> > i would want you to answer them honestly so that we can bring

this

> > matter to rest. These are simple, straight-forward questions that

> > many of us can answer in less than two minutes. i will apologize

> if

> > you can prove through your answers that i was wrong all along.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> > , " caraleen98 "

> > <caraleen98@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Jagbir,

> > > I don't know who it will be; or if the organisation will just

> > > dissolve altogether. I was asking what Shri Mataji has said

> about

> > > this issue, which Violet has more or less answered in the

> meantime.

> > > Possibly the problem is that the word 'successor' has triggered

> off

> > > this misunderstanding.

> > > I did not mean that someone else will be worshipped in Her

> place. I

> > > don't know how you could even think this for one second. I even

> > said

> > > in the previous post that the person will NOT make claims of

> > > divinity; didn't you read that bit? I mean someone who will

take

> > > care of all the things that will need to be taken care of, and

I

> > > suppose it will be one of her family, if She has not said

> anything

> > > about this matter. All organisations have people that have

> duties

> > to

> > > continue, so I was wondering how this will be sorted out in the

> > > future of Sahaja Yoga. Believe me, I am truly sorry I asked. I

> > fully

> > > understand now that it is best not to show any interest at all.

> > > Sorry if I have offended people, it was not my intention.

> > > Semira

> > >

> > >

> > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Semira,

> > > >

> > > > Apology will be sent UPS Express after you divulge identity of

> > > >

> > > > " The person who is to be Shri Mataji's successor will make no

> > > claims

> > > > of divinity " (BTW, i have quoted you Semira).

> > > >

> > > > Please don't bite more than you can chew.

> > > >

> > > > jagbir

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " caraleen98 "

> > > > <caraleen98@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Jagbir,

> > > > > You are way out of order.

> > > > > It amazes me that you are so quick to jump to the wrong

> > > > conclusions.

> > > > > Also, it is even more amazing that you choose to believe

the

> > > words

> > > > > of a known liar. However, at least now I can see you for

the

> > > person

> > > > > you really are.

> > > > > I think it is truly disgusting to worship any person as

> divine.

> > > > > Please quote in public where I have ever said that I

worship

> > any

> > > > > person as divine.

> > > > > Semira

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " jagbir

singh "

> > > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " jagbir

> singh "

> > > > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BINGO! Let the record stand!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Semira,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i am sending you the email (appended below) which your

> good

> > > (and

> > > > > > equally deluded) friend Danny sent to me, as he is

> > permanently

> > > > > banned

> > > > > > on this forum. This rare leniency is because i know you,

> > danny

> > > and

> > > > > > ishmael had a spiritual tryst in cyberspace. (There were

> > other

> > > > > reports

> > > > > > of rape but there are no laws yet to prosecute cyberspace

> > > > rapists.

> > > > > i

> > > > > > know danny is a serial rapist and financial conman as

> well,

> > > which

> > > > > you

> > > > > > too are aware of.) Please enjoy the mental disease and

> freak

> > > > > benefits

> > > > > > of your Kalki Klub that you are hoping others will enjoy

> too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BTW, do you want us to send Ishmael (Shri Mataji's

> successor)

> > > silk

> > > > > > saris as token of our homage and surrender to him? Let us

> > know

> > > of

> > > > > his

> > > > > > favorite color, border design and other specific

> embroidery

> > > > please.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jagbir

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Dear Jagbir

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My heart pains when I see this woman still believing

> Ishmael

> > > > > is ,,zer

> > > > > > Kalki,,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And my pain is very deep,since I made her a sahaja

> > > yogi,plus..in

> > > > my

> > > > > > stupidity,it was me who told her to read the infamous

> Ishmael

> > > > > > journal..the one with sex with Shri Mataji.Stupid of

me..I

> > > even

> > > > > sent

> > > > > > her the file.Such was my stupidity,dealing with a

beginner

> in

> > > > > sahaja

> > > > > > yoga,like Semira.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But..as I remember I told her,,read his journal,but be

> > careful

> > > he

> > > > > is

> > > > > > deluded,,she said,,yes.yes..don't worry danny.and years

> later

> > > she

> > > > > > STILL believes that he is the Kalki.And she still doen't

> > > > meditate

> > > > > on

> > > > > > the spirit within.She waits for some ,,protection,, from

> her

> > > Kalki

> > > > > > friend.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Such is the power of delusion in people.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mr Ishamel calls himself,,son of Shri Mataji,, so he was

> > upset

> > > > > when I

> > > > > > called him in forums ,,son of the asshole,,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had long talks with Mr.Ishamael on IM(which is not his

> real

> > > > > name,but

> > > > > > his infatuation,of course).and in all of them that idiot

> > > wanted

> > > > me

> > > > > to

> > > > > > worship him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank GOD at least you woke up your wisdom muscles and

> > realize

> > > > that

> > > > > > Semira would twist your words and never accept your

> challenge

> > > of

> > > > > > calling a spade a spade,for the record.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But you did it,at last..and now at least YOU know where

> she

> > > > > stands,and

> > > > > > maybe you'll feel my pain.It pains me to see a soul going

> > > > > astray,and

> > > > > > double since I was responsible for the whole affair of

her

> > > meeting

> > > > > > Ishmael.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > love,danny "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> , " caraleen98 "

> > > > > > > <caraleen98@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Jagbir,

> > > > > > > > The person who is to be Shri Mataji's successor will

> make

> > > no

> > > > > > claims of divinity, or desire any worship or glory for

> their

> > > own

> > > > > > person, but will draw and focus the attention of all to

> the

> > > > Eternal

> > > > > > Mother.

> > > > > > > > Love, Semira

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " jagbir

> > > singh "

> > > > > > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Semira,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i am 100% sure Shri Mataji has never ever mentioned

> any

> > > > > earthly

> > > > > > > > > successor. It is just absurd to even contemplete

> this -

> > > it

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > sure sign that you have quite a distance to cover.

> Worse

> > > are

> > > > > > those who claim Sir CP is the incarnation of Shri Shiva.

> But

> > > > > nothing

> > > > > > beats SYs who believe that WCASY is re/presenting Her

Will.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > However there always will be sick individuals

> claiming

> > > > > > divinity - praise and empower them at your own peril! Is

> > > Ishmael

> > > > on

> > > > > > your mind Semira? Perhaps Violet's question: " What are

the

> > > > > identifying

> > > > > > > > > characteristics of a Divine Incarnation? " gives you

> > > hope. i

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > > quite sure you would want to worship Ishmael too (or

> are

> > > > > already

> > > > > > doing so).

> > > > > > > > > Refute that categorically and i will apologize in

> > > public. If

> > > > > > not, let the record stand.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > jagbir

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>