Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Dear Jagbir, Dear Violet and all, First of all i want to apologize, as i have translated the quotes of Shri Mataji, hereafter from french into english, as it was my only available source. Sorry for misspelling or poor syntax. Regarding what happened in the recent past, i consider that it is a great test for all of us. Where are we in our Journey to the Kingdom of God ? What did we achieve ? I think that we will be confronted to evil until the very end. What we have to do is to stick to the path of Truth and witness. So this situation shows us how long is the way to achieve our goal, i.e. our total transformation. ************* ( PUBLIC PROGRAM, June 30th 1980, CAXTON HALL, UK). Today, your are sitting in front of Me. You have already lived by My Side, lon time ago. But today especially, you have come to face something, to see by yourself that you are capable to bear the Truth, Love and the Blessings of God, that you can enter the kingdom of God, to establish there, in His Reign, imbibed by all His Powers. It has been promised in the past and all the promisses have to be fullfilled. All the scriptures have to be backed and proven. But we have to know that a Great War is going on between the satanic forces and the Divine Forces. And all the satanic forces – symbolised by the word « Devil » : in Sanskrit we call them rakshasas, asuras etc… - have taken birth on Earth to destroy the Kingdom of God : Imagine what an ambition !!!! but they want to destroy your hearts. ( …..) But today they come as « Men of God », as people dedicated to God. They introduce themselves as gods, as gurus, in gidguise of religion (…..) They have learned all kind of methods to enter your ego, your super-ego, to influence you. So is the War and we have to fight. (…….) Sahaja Yoga is not for the useless, for those who lack of courage, for the cowards (…….) (Those who want ot establish Sahaja Yoga) must be of great calibre, they have to manifest the desire to establish a state of emancipation. It is them who will save the humankind : They are the redeemers, those who are going to achieve the salvation of this ruined humankind. ************** In this story there are victims and offenders, and the big issue is to determine who is who. So Igor, if you read this post, please clarify, as you are the key element. Your silence plays against you. What shocks me is the energy wasted to build up such a hoax, as we all of us, who are posting on this forum ,know exactly the time it takes to write or translate something. So it means that some people spend most of their time and energy to ruin Sahaja Yoga. It only shows that Sahaja Yoga worth it…. *************** ( EKADESHA RUDRA PUJA, place and date unknown…) I am sorry, but I have to speak about these things, I had no other opportunity to speak about it, except today, how the disciples of Christ have been deceited by the association of Peter and Paul,and sometimes I think about humans,how they are shrewd and hypocrite and how they may try to ruin Sahaja Yoga which is so important nowadays. ….. ….So, we should learn to discern a falsification from the true things of God. Once this is granted by the vibratory consciousness, through intelligence, you are able to control yourself. And you become the Power of Ekadesha Rudra when you establish your maturity. I bless you today : May you become all the Powers of Ekadesha Rudra, May you develop the Sincerity which will guide you to this state. May God bless you ************** It is also curious to see that WCASY elite who spread so much energy to silence the present forum let amma's disciples proclaim she is divine without even coughing….., they are too busy to keep under lock the precious sources of knowledge Shri Mataji gave us as legacy and make sure it will not fall into the hands of all the people of this earth who are suffering. *************** (JESUS CHRIST, May 11th, 1981, CAXTON HALL UK) I went to America in 1973 and while I was speaking they (the Sahaja Yogis) were all recording . Some of them told Me that I should not allow that, because a kind of patent should be needed for that. I said What ?! (……) So they created some organisations called « twice-born », because I said that we should be reborn ! So around Me there are people who fight with me, having been self-awarded « rebirth » certificates !!! You believe in this, you believe in that : It is so that organisations are created. It is not by creating organisations that you are going to be born again ! The second Birth is a LIVING Process ! (…….) It is that organisation that you have to see, the one within yourself, and not the one outside. The thing within, the beauty within you have to see It, you have to live It and enjoy It. (EASTER PUJA, MAGLIANO SABINA, ITALY, Sunday April 19th 1992) …. So all these people, the disciples of all those great Incarnations have caused so much trouble to the people who have brought these beautiful religions. That is why we have absolutely deviated from the path of Truth. So those who are really honest and who want to stick to the path of Truth must introspect constantly and find out within them until which point they are in the Truth….. …… … You have to work, you have to work in this world,you have to make Sahaja Yoga work for the others, you have to give them this beautiful feeling of unity with the Divine, you have to enjoy that. Sahaja Yoga is not only for your enjoyment, like drunkards , drinking together, It is to fill your cups to give them to others, to many others) …..We have to go beyond all the other disciples. Until we haven't achieved it, we risk, it is possible, I don't know… to sink Sahaja Yoga in another ocean of nonsense. So we have to develop our personalities through our introspection, through our comprehension, through the proof of Reality. ************** To finish, let me share with you this quote from Marcus Aurelius, a roman emperor, husband of the terrible Teodora : ….BEGIN the morning by saying to thyself, I shall meet with the busybody, the ungrateful, arrogant, deceitful, envious, unsocial. All these things happen to them by reason of their ignorance of what is good and evil. But I who have seen the nature of the good that it is beautiful and of the bad that it is ugly, and the nature of him who does wrong, that it is akin to me, not [only] of the same blood or seed, but that it participates in [the same] intelligence and [the same] portion of the divinity, I can neither be injured by any of them, for no one can fix on me what is ugly, nor can I be angry with my kinsman, nor hate him. … May TRUTH AND LOVE PREVAIL !!!!!! With Love, nicole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 , " nicole_bougantouche " <nicole_bougantouche wrote: In this story there are victims and offenders, and the big issue is to determine who is who. So Igor, if you read this post, please clarify, as you are the key element. Your silence plays against you. What shocks me is the energy wasted to build up such a hoax, as we all of us, who are posting on this forum ,know exactly the time it takes to write or translate something. So it means that some people spend most of their time and energy to ruin Sahaja Yoga. It only shows that Sahaja Yoga worth it. Dear Nicole, Jagbir and All (and Igor), Nicole, you have also (in addition to Jagbir) now raised the subject of the 'messages' which, once known to be in connection with Richard Embleton, were known to be fake! i recall that Richard Embleton sent to this forum, a so-called 'message of the mother' which i noticed was very much in its raw, unedited format. All the ones that Igor had translated from Russian into English, and then sent to me, were definitely more polished than the one Richard Embleton posted to the forum. It was when Richard Embleton sent the raw, unedited message to the forum, that i first realised that 'there is something very fishy going on here'!!! After Richard Embleton's posting of the raw, unedited so-called 'message of the mother' to the forum, Igor informed me that brother Tiger was eager to get the so-called 'messages of the mother' edited faster. Brother Tiger's getting the 'messages of the mother' edited faster, was certainly done by Richard Embleton posting them directly to the forum in their raw, unedited state!!! LOL!!! i believe this is what you call " being caught red-handed " with your hand in the cookie-tin!!! Richard Embleton, in fact, confirms that brother Tiger sent the first [raw, unedited] copy to him! In other words, Richard Embleton, took precedence in brother Tiger's eyes, over Igor!!!: valtam <valtam Thursday, 11 October 2007 6:00 AM violet.tubb <violet.tubb Tiger's 16th Message of Mother " Brother Tiger sent me that 16th message and I was the first to read it. " (Richard Embleton) /messages/8485 So, voila! We have the direct connection established between Richard Embleton and Brother Tiger! We have seen the raw, unedited message sent by Richard Embleton to this forum, so we have no reason to doubt Richard, when he says that: " Brother Tiger sent me that 16th message and I was the first to read it " ! Therefore brother Tiger's so-called 'messages of the mother' are without any doubt, 100% fake!!! So Igor, i also join Nicole and Jagbir in asking: " Could you please clarify your position on this forum? " i have appended all the questions Jagbir has asked, which can help to inform us of your position. thanking you in advance, violet [Jagbir wrote]: Igor, Violet has sent me an email explaining your version of events, and that you want to remain on the forum. Please respond to my questions after reading this: " Shri Mataji showed Brother Tiger that I am the " LIGHT that powers Shri Mataji LIGHT. " " i) do you believe in the above statement, which is even more blasphemous than Sir CP's claim that WCASY's are representatives of Shri Mataji's Will? ii) do you believe that brother Tiger meets Shri Mataji and is Her mouthpiece, which obviously contradicts WCASY's claim of being the same i.e., officially authorized communicators of Her Will? iii) do you want to continue empowering brother Tiger to spread his own messages, just as SYs are continuously empowering WCASY to spread the message of their Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion? Please answer these questions honestly and i will let you know of my decision. (John Noyce, you can forward the same to WCASY.) regards, jagbir /messages/8485 [igor, here is another question for you. Thanks in advance, for also answering this (smile)]: Dear All (and Igor), While we wait for Igor to clarify his position i want to ask all of you another question. Is it possible that Kalki's messages to SYs and brother Tiger's 'Messages from Mother' are similar in style and tone? It is my forensic conclusion that they ARE one and the same. (Igor, you are 'perplexed' why brother Tiger is sending the messages to Kalki first. Did it ever occur to you that it was the other way around?) /message/8503 > Dear Jagbir, Dear Violet and all, > > First of all i want to apologize, as i have translated the quotes of Shri Mataji, > hereafter from french into english, as it was my only available source. Sorry > for misspelling or poor syntax. > > Regarding what happened in the recent past, i consider that it is a great test > for all of us. Where are we in our Journey to the Kingdom of God ? What did > we achieve ? I think that we will be confronted to evil until the very end. What > we have to do is to stick to the path of Truth and witness. > > So this situation shows us how long is the way to achieve our goal, i.e. our > total transformation. > > ************* > ( PUBLIC PROGRAM, June 30th 1980, CAXTON HALL, UK). > Today, your are sitting in front of Me. You have already lived by My Side, lon > time ago. But today especially, you have come to face something, to see by > yourself that you are capable to bear the Truth, Love and the Blessings of > God, that you can enter the kingdom of God, to establish there, in His Reign, > imbibed by all His Powers. It has been promised in the past and all the > promisses have to be fullfilled. All the scriptures have to be backed and > proven. > > But we have to know that a Great War is going on between the satanic forces > and the Divine Forces. And all the satanic forces – symbolised by the word « > Devil » : in Sanskrit we call them rakshasas, asuras etc… - have taken birth > on Earth to destroy the Kingdom of God : Imagine what an ambition !!!! but > they want to destroy your hearts. > > ( …..) But today they come as « Men of God », as people dedicated to God. > They introduce themselves as gods, as gurus, in gidguise of religion (…..) > They have learned all kind of methods to enter your ego, your super- ego, to > influence you. So is the War and we have to fight. > > (…….) Sahaja Yoga is not for the useless, for those who lack of courage, for > the cowards (…….) (Those who want ot establish Sahaja Yoga) must be of > great calibre, they have to manifest the desire to establish a state of > emancipation. It is them who will save the humankind : They are the > redeemers, those who are going to achieve the salvation of this ruined > humankind. > > ************** > In this story there are victims and offenders, and the big issue is to determine > who is who. So Igor, if you read this post, please clarify, as you are the key > element. Your silence plays against you. > > What shocks me is the energy wasted to build up such a hoax, as we all of us, > who are posting on this forum ,know exactly the time it takes to write or > translate something. So it means that some people spend most of their time > and energy to ruin Sahaja Yoga. It only shows that Sahaja Yoga worth it…. > > *************** > ( EKADESHA RUDRA PUJA, place and date unknown…) > I am sorry, but I have to speak about these things, I had no other opportunity > to speak about it, except today, how the disciples of Christ have been > deceited by the association of Peter and Paul,and sometimes I think about > humans,how they are shrewd and hypocrite and how they may try to ruin > Sahaja Yoga which is so important nowadays. > > ….. > > ….So, we should learn to discern a falsification from the true things of God. > Once this is granted by the vibratory consciousness, through intelligence, you > are able to control yourself. And you become the Power of Ekadesha Rudra > when you establish your maturity. > > I bless you today : > > May you become all the Powers of Ekadesha Rudra, > May you develop the Sincerity which will guide you to this state. > May God bless you > > ************** > It is also curious to see that WCASY elite who spread so much energy to > silence the present forum let amma's disciples proclaim she is divine without > even coughing….., they are too busy to keep under lock the precious sources > of knowledge Shri Mataji gave us as legacy and make sure it will not fall into > the hands of all the people of this earth who are suffering. > > *************** > (JESUS CHRIST, May 11th, 1981, CAXTON HALL UK) > I went to America in 1973 and while I was speaking they (the Sahaja Yogis) > were all recording . Some of them told Me that I should not allow that, > because a kind of patent should be needed for that. I said What ?! > (……) So they created some organisations called « twice-born », because I > said that we should be reborn ! So around Me there are people who fight with > me, having been self-awarded « rebirth » certificates !!! > > You believe in this, you believe in that : It is so that organisations are created. > It is not by creating organisations that you are going to be born again ! The > second Birth is a LIVING Process ! (…….) It is that organisation that you > have to see, the one within yourself, and not the one outside. The thing > within, the beauty within you have to see It, you have to live It and enjoy It. > > > > (EASTER PUJA, MAGLIANO SABINA, ITALY, Sunday April 19th 1992) > …. So all these people, the disciples of all those great Incarnations have > caused so much trouble to the people who have brought these beautiful > religions. That is why we have absolutely deviated from the path of Truth. So > those who are really honest and who want to stick to the path of Truth must > introspect constantly and find out within them until which point they are in the > Truth….. > > …… > > … You have to work, you have to work in this world,you have to make Sahaja > Yoga work for the others, you have to give them this beautiful feeling of unity > with the Divine, you have to enjoy that. Sahaja Yoga is not only for your > enjoyment, like drunkards , drinking together, It is to fill your cups to give them > to others, to many others) > > …..We have to go beyond all the other disciples. Until we haven't achieved it, > we risk, it is possible, I don't know… to sink Sahaja Yoga in another ocean of > nonsense. So we have to develop our personalities through our introspection, > through our comprehension, through the proof of Reality. > > ************** > > To finish, let me share with you this quote from Marcus Aurelius, a roman > emperor, husband of the terrible Teodora : > > > ….BEGIN the morning by saying to thyself, I shall meet with the busybody, the > ungrateful, arrogant, deceitful, envious, unsocial. All these things happen to > them by reason of their ignorance of what is good and evil. But I who have > seen the nature of the good that it is beautiful and of the bad that it is ugly, and > the nature of him who does wrong, that it is akin to me, not [only] of the same > blood or seed, but that it participates in [the same] intelligence and [the same] > portion of the divinity, I can neither be injured by any of them, for no one can > fix on me what is ugly, nor can I be angry with my kinsman, nor hate him. … > > May TRUTH AND LOVE PREVAIL !!!!!! > With Love, > nicole > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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