We are set to prevail over WCASY, SWAN, Sir C.P and the entire Sahaja Yoga organization

[Guest guest]

Dear Violet and All,

 

Despite self-realization common sense has not prevailed, let alone

the wisdom and truth of Shri Mataji's teachings and synthesis of all

religions and scriptures. The fanatical and overwhelmingly 'hindu'

oriented SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) with all its

external rituals, images and focus for more than three decades has

driven away 99.99% of seekers. So no matter how many thousands of

public programs they organize the end result will constantly reflect

all their previous efforts i.e., a retention rate of less than 0.01%.

Thus 99.99% will always leave, the vast majority almost instantly.

 

So do not be fooled by the usual SWAN hype that they are carrying out

programs to attract seekers. They have been using the same propaganda

for years, and less and less SYs are participating in this organized

falsehood and editing of Her Divine Message. The day Shri Mataji

attains Mahasamadhi even this officially organized hype also will

meet its assured end. It is only a matter of time now.

 

But we will ensure that the Advent and Divine Message of the Adi

Shakti (Holy Spirit/Comforter) is made available to all humanity in

its entirety. Without this central core and basic foundation the

official SYSSR scaffolding has time and again collapsed despite

thousands of helping hands, and continues to collapse till today.

We are set to prevail over WCASY, SWAN, Sir C.P and the entire Sahaja

Yoga organization. Yes, it is only a matter of time now.

 

Under no circumstance whatsoever will their combined effort to edit

out the Divine Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection ever

succeed. That is why their own self-destruction is taking place

within the Sahaja Yoga organization. Just look around and read the

writing on their walls. All we need to do now is wait patiently till

the camel dies of thirst ............ the thirst of truth! Yes, it is

only a matter of time now. The Truth will prevail, again.

 

regards to all,

 

jagbir

 

 

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir and All,

>

> Just to add one more thing, regarding taking Sahaja Yoga

to " ordinary Americans " (and as you also have said), " ordinary

Americans " are going to have to be taught what the Narrow Gate (and

not the Agnya Chakra) means. Shri Mataji has given much information

about the Narrow Gate!

>

> Sahaja Yogis are going to have to tell " ordinary Americans " what

the Kingdom of God (and not Sahasrara) means, and Shri Mataji has

given much information on the Kingdom of God!

>

> Sahaja Yogis are going to have to accept that " ordinary Christian

Americans' will not accept photographs to worship, which they

consider to be idols. So, Sahaja Yogis will have to teach about

the " Holy Spirit Within " so that " ordinary Christian Americans "

can " go within " and " KNOW THEMSELVES " !

>

> This has to be done, in the language, culture, and 'Christian

understanding' of " ordinary Americans " .

>

> So Jagbir, i am very glad you have made these points, also!

>

> Btw. Christians also have to be told that " in Shri Mataji's

teachings " Christ's teachings of the " Coming of the Comforter " and

His continued " Last Judgment and Resurrection Message " has finally

been fulfilled!

>

> Like you say, Jagbir, the Subtle System Knowledge is a small part

of it, which Christians will likely not take too, unless they know

the " big picture " of why the subtle system knowledge is handy to

have. Unlike Hindus, who are maybe very " chakra based " , 'Christian

Americans' are not 'chakra based'! They think it is " occult

knowledge " that is forbidden knowledge, in a lot of cases.

>

> So, these are the barriers to reaching " Ordinary Christian

Americans', and understanding of 'Christian Americans' is needed, to

take Sahaja Yoga to them in a way that they can accept it!

>

> So, 'Hindu-looking-things' will probably not work with

ordinary 'Christian Americans', i would say. Because Christian

Americans are very much indoctrinated into " not worshipping idols " ,

nor are that interested in chakras, or Kundlini. But they " are "

interested in the " Holy Spirit " , in the " Last Judgment and

Resurrection " , in the " Narrow Gate " , and in " Salvation " , and in

Christ's Message. So these aspects have to be addressed and focussed

upon!

>

> regards to all,

>

> violet

>

>

>

>

> ,

> " Violet " <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir and All,

> >

> > [i will C & P your post and reply to it]....

> >

> > Dear Violet and All,

> >

> > i think it will be best to edit this lengthy topic and leave out

> part 4, or anything of the same substance. i can do that. Since you

> have also other part(s) remaining i will wait.

> >

> > [Okay, i am happy with that. As you say, we need to make the

> Christians feel comfortable. We cannot be too 'Hindunized' when

> presenting the 'Christian Comforter' to the Christians. i recall

Shri

> Mataji recently telling yogis in the USA that it is the American

> yogis, not immigrants, who have to examine and elucidate why they

> were attracted to Sahaja Yoga, and why they continue Sahaja Yoga.

> Just to remind us, here are some points She made only 5 months ago,

> on June 2007!....

> >

> >

> > [Firstly Point 8]:

> >

> > 8. American yogis (not immigrants) have to examine and elucidate

> the reasons why they were attracted to and have continued to remain

> in SAHAJA YOGA. They should ask themselves a key question: " What is

> it about Shri Mataji and SAHAJA YOGA that makes it so unique and

> important for me in my life? " They should then try and reach out to

> mainstream Americans with the same messages. (Shri Mataji Nirmala

> Devi - June 2007)

> >

> > [Jagbir, i have to say that the reason i stay in Sahaja Yoga,

which

> is my Second Birth, is because it is my Second Birth of the Spirit.

> Coming from a Christian background, and knowing my Bible very

deeply,

> i was waiting for the Christian Comforter, and found Her in Shri

> Mataji Nirmala Devi! That is how 'Christian America' will also

become

> interested in Sahaja Yoga. Shri Mataji was obviously trying to spur

> on the yogis to try and remember all that She told about Christ's

> Message, not to mention his Message of the Last Judgment and

> Resurrection, which message Shri Mataji has come to fulfil! So, by

> saying yogis have to introspect and see why they accepted Shri

> Mataji, that is a key to why Americans will also accept Shri Mataji.

> In other words, Her teachings of the Last Judgment and Resurrection

> fulfil Christ's teachings!!!]

> >

> >

> > [Here is Point 9 of what Shri Mataji said]:

> >

> > 9. Ordinary Americans have to see and identify with their 'own

> kind' in order to recognize the benefits of SAHAJA YOGA. This will

> not easily happen if all they see are Indians propagating SAHAJA

YOGA!

> >

> > [Jagbir, so why do ordinary Americans have to see " and identity "

> with their " own kind " ? [rhetorical question]. Because it is a case

of

> how do " ordinary Americans " adapt to Sahaja Yoga. i can tell you

> right now, that they are not going to accept having to wear saris.

> That is not necessary to have your Second Birth. A sari, though nice

> to wear in front of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi at puja, is

nevertheless

> not a requirement to getting your Second Birth of the Spirit! What

> about all the other 'Hindunized ways'? Again, Christians are not

> going to accept any photographs of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, because

> to them, worshipping the photograph of someone, is idol worship! So

> how are the Sahaja Yogis going to get around that problem?! They

will

> have to teach Christians to " Know Yourself " , which tip Shri Mataji

> gave!]

> >

> >

> > [Here is Point 10 of what Shri Mataji gave]:

> >

> > 10. American yogis have thus to take center stage and lead this

> endeavor. All other ethnicities, including Indians, can play a truly

> supportive role in helping out with this grand venture.

> >

> > [i agree very much with this. Indians teaching Christians Sahaja

> Yoga will make Christians think that Sahaja Yoga is a 'Hindu thing'.

> But is it a Hindu thing? Jagbir, is Sahaja Yoga a 'Hindu thing'?

That

> is a question we should perhaps ask and discuss on the forum:

> >

> > " Is Sahaja Yoga a Hindu thing? "

> >

> > i think to freely and openly discuss this question, will give

> Sahaja Yogis a better 'all-round' perspective on Sahaja Yoga, and

> what it is.]

> >

> >

> > [Here is Point 11 of what Shri Mataji gave]:

> >

> > 11. Opening SAHAJA schools in various American cities in order to

> get in more children would be an ideal way to propagate SAHAJA.

> Children attending SAHAJA schools are completely happy within that

> environment and if that can be replicated to attract children from

> non-yogi families that would be a wonderful way of getting SAHAJA

> into American families. If parents notice that their children are

> very happy and content with a SAHAJA school (and its attendant

> culture), the probability of success of their acceptance of Sahaja

> automatically becomes very high.

> >

> > [As Shri Mataji says, opening Sahaja schools in various American

> cities, will indeed be a way to get more children in to understand

> Sahaja Yoga. However, Sahaja Yoga will need to be taught in a

> Christian country now, not in a Hindu country! We are talking here

> about " ORDINARY AMERICANS " , as Shri Mataji also says! The challenge

> is how to connect Sahaja Yoga to people from a Christian Country,

> isn't it?! Won't Sahaja Yogis have to explain about how Christ's

> teachings are fulfilled by Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi's teachings

then?

> Won't the Last Judgment and Resurrection Message of Christ, of

> 'Christian America' have to come into it?! Is this Shri Mataji's

last

> hope that Sahaja Yogis will give Her Last Judgment and Resurrection

> Message, that they will in fact, by being faced with 'Christian

> America' have to admit that Shri Mataji's Message is also Christ

> Jesus's continued Message?! Is this a very subtle message therefore

> to Sahaj Yogis from Shri Mataji, to wake up, and really understand

> what Sahaja Yoga is all about?]

> >

> >

> > Shri Mataji's Conclusion Given:

> >

> > Finally SHRI MATAJI said that SHE will come to America. SHE said

> that SHE will not give up yet. However, SHE repeatedly asked this

> question, " You tell Me what it is that I should tell the American

> public that will make them accept SAHAJA YOGA? " ({Shri Mataji

Nirmala

> Devi - Conversations with the DIVINE - June 2007, Cabella Ligure,

> Italy)

> >

> > /message/

> 8498?unwrap=1 & var=1 & l=1

> >

> > [i will say, " Shri Mataji is it not your continued Message of

> Christ's Message that Americans will accept? " Can't we give it to

> " ordinary Americans " in that way, so they will understand it? After

> all, did not You give this message to " ordinary Americans " and

> " ordinary Australians " and " ordinary Europeans " and " ordinary

> Russiand " and etc.? "

> >

> > It seems to me that this is the answer that Shri Mataji was trying

> to get out of the Sahaja Yogis, which i am sure would have

satisfied

> Her! Maybe, She was testing them. After all, for how many years had

> She, Herself, spoken about the teachings of Christ, and His Last

> Judgment and Resurrection Message! i wonder if any Sahaja Yogis

> actually mentioned this point, then? Was this point mentioned? i

sure

> would like to know. Or have WCASY shut the mouths of great Sahaja

> Yogis about Christ's continued Message to " ordinaary Americans? " i

> have my doubts that WCASY actually want this message to go out to

> " ordinary Americans " ! i think they just want to give the Hindu

Subtle

> System Message, don't they? Please prove me wrong, if you disagree!]

> >

> > [WCASY et al, gave this summary, then]:

> >

> > " That in essence is the challenge for all of us. SHRI MATAJI wants

> to come to America, not necessarily for us but for all those who

have

> yet to see HER light. "

> >

> > [i could not have said it better! Shri Mataji is going to America

> once more, because She is not giving up yet! We already know here at

> adishakti.org, what message " ordinary Americans " will accept. It is

> splashed all over the adishakti.org site:

> >

> > http://www.adishakti.org/

> >

> > and the Christian site:

> >

> > http://www.holyspirit-shekinah.org/

> >

> > In fact, Christians already know all about Christ's Message, so

> Shri Mataji's continuing Message of the Last Judgment and

> Resurrection Message, will be very acceptable to them! The

Christians

> won't be frightened of that Message. They won't evade it! They will

> ask Sahaja Yogis all those questions, that relate to Christ and

> Sahaja Yoga. So Sahaja Yogis will have to face up to " ordinary

> Christian Americans?!

> >

> > Sahaja Yogis will have to put themselves in 'Christian Shoes',

> figuratively speaking, and be sensitive to Christian 'sensibilities'

> when giving them Sahaja Yoga. In other words, American Sahaja Yogis,

> who necessarily have to know about Christianity, about Christ's

> Message, have to 'be Christian' when giving " Sahaja Yoga " . It cannot

> look like it is a Hindu religion. It cannot look fanatical either.

> Sahaja Yogis are Christian! And Jewish, and Sikh, and Buddhist, and

> Islam, because Sahaja includes everything and everyone, regardless

of

> cultural background.

> >

> > If anyone can do it, American Sahaja Yogis can do it, that is use

> all their communicative skills that Shri Krishna bestows on

> Americans, to give back the Christian Message In Its Fulness, and

> show the Christians what they have been missing in Christianity!

Fill

> in the missing pieces of the puzzle!!!

> >

> > Btw. if Christians feel that we are presenting them something that

> is Hindu-based, they will think it is really for the Hindus, and not

> for the Christians. LOL!!! We have to help heal these fragmented

> religions, these branches that have broken off from the Tree of

Life.

> The only way we can do that is speak to them in their own language

of

> Christianity! Emphasis on the subtle system is very Hindu and mostly

> not touched on in Christianity at all. However, once Christians

> embrace their own 'Christian Comforter's' teachings, they will be

> more disposed to learning even the deeper aspects of the subtle

> system, i would say. After all, the subtle system is couched in the

> language of the 'Seven Churches' in the Bible. Edgar Cayce, the

> American prophet and seer, also revealed the same. And 'churches'

are

> really our 'inner temple' and not external churches, when spoken

> about in the Bible!]

> >

> >

> > [Jagbir]:

> >

> > i have realized that Sahaja Yoga is nothing but the advent of the

> Adi Shakti (Holy Spirit/Comforter) completing the teachings of Jesus

> Christ. The subtle system is the Tree of Life. Self-realization is

> being born of the Spirit. The Kingdom of God within is the

Sahasrara.

> Entering it by the Narrow Gate is entering via the Agnya Chakra.

Shri

> Kalki is the Second Coming of Christ. The Last Judgment is the grace

> period to evolve into the spirit prior to His Coming ... and so

forth.

> >

> > [Jagbir, you have put it so very brilliantly! It's just fantastic!

> i had been looking for the Holy Spirit/Comforter that Christ said

> would come. So when i first came to Sahaja Yoga Meditation in a

> private home, very soon, i asked about the identity of Shri Mataji,

> and so forth. i put 2 and 2 together, and realised that She might be

> the Christian Comforter, that Christ promised would come. Of course,

> my subsequent spiritual experience soon confirmed that. Maybe,

unlike

> a lot of Sahaja Yogis, i was actually grounded in the Christian

> scriptures and knew them backwards and forwards, inside and out. And

> maybe, unlike many Christians, i had from my early years, when i

> first started asking 'what is it all about?'.... read the Bible very

> deeply, to really ascertain Christ's meaning.... not superficially,

> but very deeply. Through the years, i realised i needed something

> more, a really Divine personality in my life, to take me further,

and

> i knew that would be the Comforter that Christ promised would come!

> All i can say, is that my real Life Quest, has been fulfilled.

> >

> > To think that this is Our Special Collective Lifetime, that we

have

> met the Incarnation of the Holy Spirit, in person, on Earth, is

> astounding in itself! It is a very dear and speechless thing, that

> cannot be truly fathomed. i am sure we will contemplate all the

> aspects far into the future, that are happening in this lifetime,

and

> will marvel upon it with continued unending Joy!

> >

> > i think many Sahaja Yogis will perhaps only fathom it, in the

> future, when they can see things more clearly. Right now, many are

> blinded by their narrow focus, and events have overtaken many.

> However, in future, especially when Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has Her

> Mahasammadhi, there will be much inner conscientious searching, as

to

> 'what it was really all about!!!' People will not accept Sir C.P. as

> a new incarnation. Then they will realise that it was " The Mother "

> all along, who was the only One who fulfilled all their desires, and

> in particular, " the Divine Mother within " , the Holy Spirit!]

> >

> >

> > " Now this Kundalini is the power which is placed in the sacrum

> bone, nowhere else…. And imagine this bone is called " sacrum " ;

sacrum

> means sacred. So they knew there was something in it….

> >

> > This is the primule, is the germinating power within us. Now this

> fact has been accepted for thousands of years in India and

elsewhere.

> For in the Bible also they talk of the Tree of Life. That is the

same

> as this….

> >

> > So this is the thing that is being described in our ancient books,

> in all the scriptures, even in the Qur'an they are described as Ruh,

> R,U,H, Ruh. Ruh means the cold breeze, the cool breeze. The cool

> breeze of the Holy Ghost is described in the Bible also.

> >

> > You cannot suddenly start a new idea about something. If it is an

> evolutionary process, if it is a living process it must have its

> background, its history, and it must culminate into something

> fruitful. Like every fruit has a tree behind it. If it is a living

> fruit it has to come out the tree that have existed for thousands

and

> thousands of years, and out of that this tree has to come. It must

> have a base and this is traditionally called the kundalini awakening

> process….

> >

> > Christ has said very clearly that you have to be born again. I

mean

> the whole message of Christ's life is realization…. when Christ came

> on this Earth to show that you have to become the spirit. By His

> resurrection He showed that, and this is the message of Christ. "

> >

> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > Seeking our Spirit, 10-23-1980

> >

> >

> > [Jagbir]:

> >

> > Shri Mataji gave us a very balanced knowledge of the religions,

all

> ultimately culminating in realizing the Self within. So no matter

how

> much Sahaja Yoga has been 'Hindunized' today with all the excessive

> external rituals and cleansing fanaticism, in future it will revert

> back to worshipping God Almighty in spirit and truth. That is why it

> is so necessary today to present that future vision at

www.holyspirit-

> shekinah.org. The focus must be sharp so that the future vision

> destroys all that is false and mundane. That is only possible if you

> truly realize that Sahaja Yoga is nothing but the advent of the Adi

> Shakti (Holy Spirit/Comforter) completing the teachings of Jesus. By

> doing so She also triggers the collective eschatological

expectations

> of humanity, a tremendous task indeed:

> >

> > " I am the Adi Shakti (Holy Spirit/Ruh). I am the One who has come

> on this Earth for the first time in this form to do this tremendous

> task. "

> >

> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > (Adi-Shakti: Primal Power; being the First Cause.)

> >

> > [Jagbir, i agree totally with what you say! Sahaja Yoga is the

> fulfilment of Christianity; it is the fulfilment of Buddhism, of

> Hinduism, of Islam, of Sikhism, of Taoism, of the Great White

Spirit,

> of all of them! Sahaja Yoga has the capability to adapt to every

> culture and religion under the sun, because it is just the Truth,

the

> Love, and the Wisdom, that has to be imbibed within the person, so

> they can be transformed and become who they really are, which is the

> Spirit! Spirit is in every religion and belief! i don't think we,

nor

> Sahaja Yogis under WCASY even " know " how Her Message is going to

> explode in the world-at-large! The Truth remains and will not go

> down, in fact it will grow stronger and stronger with Time, and as

> you say, 'time is on our side'! So Her Message will eventually break

> through each and every barrier, like the trickle of water eventually

> wears down every 'rock of resistance'!]

> >

> >

> > The Adi Shakti (Hinduism), Comforter/Holy Spirit (Christianity),

> Shekinah (Judaism), Ma Adi/Ruh (Islam), Mai Treya (Buddhism), Great

> Mother (Taoism) and Aykaa Mayee (Sikhism) are the one and same

> primordial Divine Feminine.

> >

> > According to Aaron-Golan in The Illustrated Bible Dictionary, " The

> coming eschatological salvation is envisaged in transcendent and

> universal terms.... in the form of both bodily resurrection and of

> spiritual immortality. " The Torah contains several references

to " the

> End of Days " (achareet ha-yameem), which is the time of the moshiach

> (Messiah).

> >

> > As Messiah She fulfills this ancient Jewish prophecy.

> >

> > As Comforter/Holy Spirit promised by Lord Jesus She completes His

> teachings and commences the Last Judgment.

> >

> > As Mahdi/Ruh She proclaims the Great News of the Resurrection

> (surah 75 Al-Qiyamah). " Great News: usually understood to mean the

> News or Message of the Resurrection. " (Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy

> Quran)

> >

> > As Mai(Mother) Treya(Threefold) She fulfills the prophecy to renew

> Buddha's work. " Relying on certain Mahayana Buddhist citations and

> quotations ... the fifth Buddha will be Maitreya Buddha. " — the

> present XIVth Dalai Lama.

> >

> > As the Shakti entrenched in the holy scriptures She grants both

> bodily resurrection (kundalni awakening/self-realization/second

> birth) and spiritual immortality (moksa/eternal life). The daily

> experience of the cool breeze (Ruach/Breath of God/Ruh/Chaitanya)

> will assure humans that the promised evolution into the eternal

> spirit has begun. We must remain focused on spreading this Great

> News, the Blossom Time as Shri Mataji fondly calls it. We must see

> Her vision for the emancipation of humanity with great clarity, and

> act with that same sense of urgency and sincerity. We are well on

the

> way.

> >

> > [Thank-you for your heartwarming message that " we are well on the

> way " . YES, WE ARE!]

> >

> > warmest regards,

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> >

> > warmest regards,

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> >

> > , " jagbir

> > singh " <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Violet and All,

> > >

> > > i think it will be best to edit this lenghty topic and leave out

> > part

> > > 4, or anything of the same substance. i can do that. Since you

> have

> > > also other part(s) remaining i will wait.

> > >

> > > i have realized that Sahaja Yoga is nothing but the advent of

the

> > Adi

> > > Shakti (Holy Spirit/Comforter) completing the teachings of Jesus

> > > Christ. The subtle system is the Tree of Life. Self-realization

is

> > > being born of the Spirit. The Kingdom of God within is the

> > Sahasrara.

> > > Entering it by the Narrow Gate is entering via the Agnya Chakra.

> > Shri

> > > Kalki is the Second Coming of Christ. The Last Judgment is the

> > grace

> > > period to evolve into the spirit prior to His Coming ... and so

> > forth.

> > >

> > > " Now this Kundalini is the power which is placed in the sacrum

> > bone,

> > > nowhere else…. And imagine this bone is called " sacrum " ; sacrum

> > means

> > > sacred. So they knew there was something in it….

> > >

> > > This is the primule, is the germinating power within us. Now

this

> > > fact has been accepted for thousands of years in India and

> > elsewhere.

> > > For in the Bible also they talk of the Tree of Life. That is the

> > same

> > > as this….

> > >

> > > So this is the thing that is being described in our ancient

books,

> > in

> > > all the scriptures, even in the Qur'an they are described as

Ruh,

> > > R,U,H, Ruh. Ruh means the cold breeze, the cool breeze. The cool

> > > breeze of the Holy Ghost is described in the Bible also.

> > >

> > > You cannot suddenly start a new idea about something. If it is

an

> > > evolutionary process, if it is a living process it must have its

> > > background, its history, and it must culminate into something

> > > fruitful. Like every fruit has a tree behind it. If it is a

living

> > > fruit it has to come out the tree that have existed for

thousands

> > and

> > > thousands of years, and out of that this tree has to come. It

must

> > > have a base and this is traditionally called the kundalini

> > awakening

> > > process….

> > >

> > > Christ has said very clearly that you have to be born again. I

> mean

> > > the whole message of Christ's life is realization…. when Christ

> > came

> > > on this Earth to show that you have to become the spirit. By His

> > > resurrection He showed that, and this is the message of Christ. "

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > > Seeking our Spirit, 10-23-1980

> > >

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji gave us a very balanced knowledge of the religions,

> all

> > > ultimately culminating in realizing the Self within. So no

matter

> > how

> > > much Sahaja Yoga has been 'Hindunized' today with all the

> excessive

> > > external rituals and cleansing fanaticism, in future it will

> revert

> > > back to worshipping God Almighty in spirit and truth. That is

why

> > it

> > > is so necessary today to present that future vision at

> > www.holyspirit-

> > > shekinah.org. The focus must be sharp so that the future vision

> > > destroys all that is false and mundane. That is only possible if

> > you

> > > truly realize that Sahaja Yoga is nothing but the advent of the

> Adi

> > > Shakti (Holy Spirit/Comforter) completing the teachings of

Jesus.

> > By

> > > doing so She also triggers the collective eschatological

> > expectations

> > > of humanity, a tremendous task indeed:

> > >

> > > " I am the Adi Shakti (Holy Spirit/Ruh). I am the One who has

come

> > on

> > > this Earth for the first time in this form to do this tremendous

> > > task. "

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > > (Adi-Shakti: Primal Power; being the First Cause.)

> > >

> > >

> > > The Adi Shakti (Hinduism), Comforter/Holy Spirit (Christianity),

> > > Shekinah (Judaism), Ma Adi/Ruh (Islam), Mai Treya (Buddhism),

> Great

> > > Mother (Taoism) and Aykaa Mayee (Sikhism) are the one and same

> > > primordial Divine Feminine.

> > >

> > > According to Aaron-Golan in The Illustrated Bible

Dictionary, " The

> > > coming eschatological salvation is envisaged in transcendent and

> > > universal terms.... in the form of both bodily resurrection and

of

> > > spiritual immortality. " The Torah contains several references to

> > " the

> > > End of Days " (achareet ha-yameem), which is the time of the

> > moshiach

> > > (Messiah).

> > >

> > > As Messiah She fulfills this ancient Jewish prophecy.

> > >

> > > As Comforter/Holy Spirit promised by Lord Jesus She completes

His

> > > teachings and commences the Last Judgment.

> > >

> > > As Mahdi/Ruh She proclaims the Great News of the Resurrection

> > (surah

> > > 75 Al-Qiyamah). " Great News: usually understood to mean the News

> or

> > > Message of the Resurrection. " (Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy

Quran)

> > >

> > > As Mai(Mother) Treya(Threefold) She fulfills the prophecy to

renew

> > > Buddha's work. " Relying on certain Mahayana Buddhist citations

and

> > > quotations ... the fifth Buddha will be Maitreya Buddha. " — the

> > > present XIVth Dalai Lama

> > >

> > > As the Shakti entrenched in the holy scriptures She grants both

> > > bodily resurrection (kundalni awakening/self-realization/second

> > > birth) and spiritual immortality (moksa/eternal life). The daily

> > > experience of the cool breeze (Ruach/Breath of

God/Ruh/Chaitanya)

> > > will assure humans that the promised evolution into the eternal

> > > spirit has begun. We must remain focused on spreading this Great

> > News,

> > > the Blossom Time as Shri Mataji fondly calls it. We must see Her

> > > vision for the emancipation of humanity with great clarity, and

> act

> > > with that same sense of urgency and sincerity. We are well on

the

> > way.

> > >

> > > warmest regards,

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Violet "

> > > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jagbir,

> > > >

> > > > Okay. i won't use it as 'Part 4' but make the next one 'Part

4'.

> > Or

> > > are you meaning that Parts 1, 2, and 3 are also not suitable for

> > > Christians, and should be just for our forum?

> > > >

> > > > warmest regards,

> > > >

> > > > violet

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " jagbir

> > > > singh " <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Violet,

> > > > >

> > > > > i do not think this topic is suitable for HSS. It is a very

> > > > difficult topic to understand, and i mean for Hindus.

> > > > >

> > > > > HSS should be entirely related to the Bible - Jesus, kingdom

> of

> > > > god, second birth, resurrection, last judgment, comforter,

> divine

> > > > feminine etc. Christians visiting HSS should feel very

> > comfortable

> > > with the

> > > site topics. i know many Christians are averse to anything non-

> > Bible.

> > > > >

> > > > > warmest regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > jagbir

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Violet "

> > > > > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Jagbir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is Part 4 of 'The Body of the Mother', for upload to

> > (HSS).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > violet

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [For Upload]:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Body of the Mother - Part 4

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Gruha Lakshmi indicates the divine feminine quality of

> peace

> > > > that

> > > > > manifests in the stomach and partly in the liver from the

> > location

> > > > of

> > > > > the solar plexus, whose energy center is called 'Nahbi

> Chakra'.

> > > The

> > > > > power of Gruha Lakshmi is also the unique power of a

mother's

> > > love,

> > > > > wife's love, and sister's love, that can and does call for a

> > > > > certain 'self-sacrifice' for the welfare of family, friends,

> > loved

> > > > > ones, and the world-at-large! Shri Mataji has said that the

> > Age of

> > > > > Truth is also the age in which women will arise and

transform

> > the

> > > > > world around them. In more universal terminology, the

> > patriarchal

> > > > age

> > > > > is giving way to a 'matriarchal age', the Age of the Divine

> > > > Feminine,

> > > > > the Holy Spirit, who is the Comforter that Christ promised

> > would

> > > > > come! In this excerpt of the 'Body of the Mother', Shri

Mataji

> > > > > Nirmala Devi explains about Gruha Lakshmi, Raja Lakshmi,

> > > > Mahalakshmi,

> > > > > and their importance to us.]....

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is the Gruha Lakshmi, Raja Lakshmi and Mahalakshmi?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Peace is only achieved through the Gruha Lakshmi - through

> > your

> > > > > proper adjustment of your spleen. Because the spleen is the

> > giver

> > > > of

> > > > > the blood cells, it creates nutrition for the whole body. If

> > there

> > > > is

> > > > > no peace in that area within us, the whole system can go

out,

> > as

> > > > this

> > > > > is the 'nourishing center' within us. And that centre that

> > > > nourishes,

> > > > > also gives peace!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You must have heard the " Ya Devi, sarva bhuteshu shanti

> > rupena

> > > > > samstitha " - the goddess that is the 'shanti' that is

present

> > in

> > > > > every human being 'as peace'. So this peace is only possible

> if

> > > > > housewives realise their importance, bear it upon

themselves,

> > are

> > > > > forgiving and are redeeming family life. They have to redeem

> > the

> > > > > family life, and where this gets spoilt, the whole system

goes

> > > out!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi now indicates the chakra

> position]:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The right [masculine] side is the Raja Lakshmi; [left

> > feminine

> > > > > side, being the 'Gruha Lakshmi']. Once this 'Raja Lakshmi'

> > > business

> > > > > comes up, you will then understand " respect " , because once

you

> > > > > respect yourself, you start respecting others also. And [the

> > fact]

> > > > > that you are all saints [means that] you have to respect

each

> > > other

> > > > > in the same way ['equally']!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Today the light is now there, which is a very important

> > thing!

> > > > From

> > > > > the beginning, in the Gruha Lakshmi state [of the evolution

of

> > > man]

> > > > > when man first discovered fire and used the fire to cook the

> > food,

> > > > it

> > > > > was the warmth of the Mother, that was shown through the

> heart.

> > > She

> > > > > used the warmth in the house to warm up her children, to

give

> > them

> > > > > food and all that. Then it became a very collective thing,

> > > > expressed

> > > > > as light! If you celebrate any Republic Day or Independence

> > Day,

> > > we

> > > > > put on the lights - we have fireworks! To express ourselves

> > that

> > > > way,

> > > > > is the 'Raja Lakshmi.'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Note: 'Raja Lakshmi' again, referring to the masculine

> > " right "

> > > > > side, and 'Gruha Lakshmi' referring to the feminine " left "

> side

> > > > > qualities].

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Eight Aspects of Mahalakshmi....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mahalakshmi, ['Maha' meaning 'Great'] has eight aspects:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First: Adya Lakshmi. Adya Lakshmi means Mahalakshmi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Second: Vidya Lakshmi. Vidya is the art of Sahaja Yoga

> > ['Union

> > > > with

> > > > > the Divine Within']. That is Vidya; the rest is all avidya

> > > > > [ignorance]. How to raise the Kundalini, how to awaken all

the

> > > > > deities [within you], how to cleanse yourself, how to

cleanse

> > > > others,

> > > > > all the knowledge, all the aspects of that is called as

> > 'Vidya',

> > > > > the 'Lakshmi Vidya'. Lakshmi is the grace.... 'the

awareness,

> > that

> > > > is

> > > > > gracious'.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Third: Sobhagya Lakshmi. Sobhagya means good fortune; the

> > > Lakshmi

> > > > > that gives you fortune in everything, in money, in your

> > living, in

> > > > > your food, in any way. Any good fortune is given through

God!

> > It's

> > > > > only God who gives good fortune!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fourth: Amruta Lakshmi. Amruta means the thing that does

not

> > > die.

> > > > > In this world Lakshmi exists as your wealth. Now the wealth

> > that

> > > > does

> > > > > not die, what is it? It is the Spirit! So the grace of the

> > Spirit

> > > > is

> > > > > the Amruta Lakshmi.... the rest will die out and whatever is

> > done

> > > > > through the Spirit, to please the Spirit, is the Amruta

> > Lakshmi.

> > > > For

> > > > > example, loving others.... loving means giving without any

> > > > > expectation [of return], just giving and enjoying! The

> greatest

> > > > thing

> > > > > is to give vibrations. Vibrations cannot die!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fifth: Gruha Lakshmi (and Raja Lakshmi). [Explained

above].

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sixth: Satya Lakshmi. That is awareness. She is the one

who

> > has

> > > > > given you awareness. Awareness is Lakshmi's

character. 'Satya'

> > > > means

> > > > > the truth. As you rise in your awareness, you know the

truth!

> > What

> > > > is

> > > > > the truth? What are you aware of? You are aware that you are

> > the

> > > > > instrument of God, and that He is working through you. You

are

> > > > aware

> > > > > of it, because it is flowing on your central nervous system.

> > This

> > > > is

> > > > > the truth of which you have to be aware!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is the other truth? It is, " Who are you? " .... that

you

> > are

> > > > the

> > > > > Spirit! And the third truth is " Who am I? " and " Who is

> > > > > God? " .... " What is your destiny? " . If these become your

> > awareness,

> > > > > then you have got 'Satya' Lakshmi!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Seventh: Bhogya Lakshmi. 'Bhog' means the 'One by which

you

> > > > enjoy.'

> > > > > I mean, you can have the whole Ocean of Joy around you and

> yet,

> > > > like

> > > > > a bird, cannot drink it! It is only through the grace of

> > 'Bhogya

> > > > > Lakshmi', that you can " enjoy " !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Eighth: Yoga Lakshmi. It's the Lakshmi's power which gives

> > you

> > > > Yoga

> > > > > [union with God]. Lakshmi supports your power of Yoga, by

> > giving

> > > > you

> > > > > awareness. So 'Yoga Lakshmi' is the power by which you go to

> > Yoga!

> > > > > Then once you have achieved your Yoga, you get the grace!

> > Lakshmi

> > > > is

> > > > > the grace, so you get the grace of a saint.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Diwali Festival of Light -

> Diwali

> > > > Puja -

> > > > > Country Unknown - 1 November, 1981)

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >; >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir and All,

 

i have C & P your post and reply hereunder:

 

Despite self-realization common sense has not prevailed, let alone the wisdom

and truth of Shri Mataji's teachings and synthesis of all religions and

scriptures.

 

[This is true. The common sense has not prevailed, in that the wisdom and truth

of Shri Mataji's teachings and synthesis of all the religions and scriptures has

not been assiduously pursued. A 'Sahaja Yoga Meditation' remark may be made to

sound close to the Last Judgment and Resurrection Message, but never quite 'hits

the mark'. Any close approach to the subject, is always 'counched' in

meditational terms, so that nobody would know it was related to Christ Jesus's

Last Judgment and Resurrection Message! To be " so exact " as to actually miss all

mention of the Last Judgment and Resurrection Message, takes careful management

planning, and part of that management is to tell Sahaja Yogis that they can only

'give realisation' (meaning they have this 'red tape' that does not allow them

to give the Last Judgment and Resurrection Message) like Shri Mataji Nirmala

Devi gave it for the last 30 years or so! That is why i find 'WCASY Fawning'

distasteful when they hypocritically thank Shri Mataji for giving them the

opportunity to have 'Realisation Tours'. Of course, Shri Mataji will still use

all efforts to reach seekers, including 'Realisation Tours', however, it is what

comes after that, where there is a lack of connection between 'Realisation

Tours' and the Scriptures of all religions, where the whole process set in place

by Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, falls apart. This is due to WCASY's concerted lack

of conscience to give the Adi Shakti's Message " in full " .

 

The thing is, meditation is a means to an end, and not the end itself! People

have to know why it is important to meditate. They have to know that this

eventually becomes a 24/7 state, where the person is in 'Union with the Divine

within' at all times. In the Bible this is described in the following verse:

 

" Pray without ceasing " . (1 Thessalonians 5:17)

 

The only way a person can 'pray without ceasing' is to be in the state of

'constant meditation' on a 24/7 basis. It is therefore a spiritual state, but

the SYSSR does not teach that this state is possible to attain. They teach that

a person is sentenced to perform manual chakra cleansings for the rest of their

life, because the Kundalini will never ever be able to do the job! They think it

is fallacy that a person can be in that state where the Kundalini Mother can

clear a person 24/7! Yet, as shown in the above Bible verse, even the Bible

hinted at this state where one 'prays without ceasing, and in which state we

know, that the Holy Spirit cleanses a person from all sin on a 24/7 basis!]

 

 

The fanatical and overwhelmingly 'hindu' oriented SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle

System Religion) with all its external rituals, images and focus for more than

three decades has driven away 99.99% of seekers. So no matter how many thousands

of public programs they organize the end result will constantly reflect all

their previous efforts i.e., a retention rate of less than 0.01%. Thus 99.99%

will always leave, the vast majority almost instantly.

 

[This is also true. Sahaja Yoga is not 'Hindu' per se. Hindus never talked about

the Last Judgment and Resurrection Message, Christians did! Shri Mataji Nirmala

Devi's Message has been universal, in that it includes the essential teachings

of all the Incarnations and prophets. Therefore it cannot be said to be even

'predominantly Hindu', but a synthesis of the Pure Knowledge of the Spirit of

all religions or as Shri Mataji calls it, 'All Branches on the Tree of Life'!

Actually, by narrowing Shri Mataji's Universal Pure Knowledge of the Spirit to

an overwhelmingly 'hindu' oriented SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion),

WCASY have backed themselves into a 'special niche', which is actually a corner

that will be hard for them to get out of. Already, there is no evolution

possible in the SYSSR, as all that its adherents are allowed to do, is 'give

self-realisation'. They are not allowed to teach about the Last Judgment and

Resurrection Message. They are not allowed to expound the synthesis of the truth

in all religions. This is only allowed to be done by management now, or if

management gives the permission. In any case, when it is done, it is not given

in its entirety the way Shri Mataji gave it, but is given in terms of

meditation/subtle system/chakras. And that is why the seekers of the truth will

never know that Her teachings actually synthesised all the Branches of the Tree

of Life, back on to the same Tree! Or, seekers may read about it in some Sahaj

'academic article', but the same will never be spoken about in Sahaj

Collectives.]

 

 

So do not be fooled by the usual SWAN hype that they are carrying out programs

to attract seekers. They have been using the same propaganda for years, and less

and less SYs are participating in this organized falsehood and editing of Her

Divine Message. The day Shri Mataji attains Mahasamadhi even this officially

organized hype also will meet its assured end. It is only a matter of time now.

 

[Exactly! i am also very aware of the hype. In reality, hype is not needed; only

the Truth is needed. 'Hype' however, always needs to be used, when the leverage

of truth has gone by the wayside. Truth is a leaven that raises the 'bread of

salvation'. 'Hype' is a lot of hot air 'blowin in the wind'. Hype is needed to

try and spark up unenthusiastic parishioners. That WCASY are the priestly class,

and the rank and file are now the parishioners, can be easily seen. There is no

difference in the SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) to any other

religion in this 'priestly/parishioner' relationship! So much for every man

'being his own priest' before God!

 

i believe the following Scriptures describe the spiritual juxtaposition between

WCASY's 'niche SYSSR' and Sahaja Yoga as Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi gave it to

Sahaja Yogis. These Scriptures were very obviously given by a prophet, for it is

a prophetic utterance. However, i don't know which prophet gave it. It is duly

recorded, however, in 1 Peter, and is an example of how the Truth remains

standing in spite of all the untruths that may surround it!:

 

" Behold I lay in Zion [the 'City of God'] a choice stone, a precious Corner

Stone, and he who believes in Him shall not be disappointed. (v.6) The stone

which the builders rejected, this became the very Corner Stone, and, a stone of

stumbling and a rock of offense; for they stumble because they are disobedient

to the Word, and to this doom they were also appointed. (v.7b-8) But you are a

chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own

possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out

of darkness into His marvellous light; for you once were not a people, but now

you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received

mercy. " (v. 9-10)

 

It is actually sufficient that Christ Jesus made reference to this 'Corner

Stone' when He said:

 

" Have you not even read this Scripture: " The Stone which the builders rejected,

this became the Chief Corner Stone; this came about from the Lord, and it is

marvellous in our eyes? " (Christ Jesus - Mark 12:10-11)

 

Regardless of which prophet might have uttered this Scripture, its ultimate

Source is the Holy Spirit, who is the Lord, as the scriptures also say:

 

" Now the Lord is the [Holy] Spirit and where the Spirit of the Lord is [awakened

within] there is liberty! " (2 Corinthians 3:17)

 

Jagbir, WCASY with its SYSSR have rejected the " Chief Corner Stone " . They have

failed to give Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi's Gnostic Message, of the Last Judgment

and Resurrection, and therefore the knowledge of the reality of spiritual

liberation or salvation, making seekers of the truth think it is just about

meditation, subtle system, and chakras, and realisation tours, and the job is

done, according to the SYSSR!]

 

 

But we will ensure that the Advent and Divine Message of the Adi Shakti (Holy

Spirit/Comforter) is made available to all humanity in its entirety. Without

this central core and basic foundation the official SYSSR scaffolding has time

and again collapsed despite thousands of helping hands, and continues to

collapse till today. We are set to prevail over WCASY, SWAN, Sir C.P and the

entire Sahaja Yoga organization. Yes, it is only a matter of time now.

 

[Exactly again! In its entirety! Not giving the entire Advent and Divine Message

is what is called 'editing it out'! Eliminating it, in other words! The Corner

Stone has been removed, and that is why the scaffolding has time and again

collapsed, despite thousands of helping hands. Under those conditions, even

conscientious Sahaja Yogis will have difficulty sustaining the SYSSR (Sahaja

Yoga Subtle System Religion) over time. However, we have made the Corner Stone,

our foundation, and that is why we will prevail over WCASY, SWAN, Sir C.P. and

the entire Sahaja Yoga organization. It has never been about numbers [quantity]

but about quality. Without the Corner Stone, the builders of the SYSSR (Sahaja

Yoga Subtle System Religion) will have their building continue to collapse. As

you say, Jagbir, " it is only a matter of time now! " We now know that they have

not accepted the Adi Shakti's Message in its entirety. They have not accepted

Her Corner Stone. Therefore, nothing is more sure, than their collapse.

 

i can also see the 'writing on the wall' and have gone past the stage of being

sad for them, or about them. They have collectively made their

'grown-up-choice'. They have made their bed and they are going to have to lie in

it! Those that lie in the same bed with them, will suffer the same collapse. A

building cannot be maintained without the Corner Stone. This is true in the

physical world; it is even more so in the spiritual world!]

 

 

Under no circumstance whatsoever will their combined effort to edit out the

Divine Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection ever succeed. That is why

their own self-destruction is taking place within the Sahaja Yoga organization.

Just look around and read the writing on their walls. All we need to do now is

wait patiently till the camel dies of thirst ............ the thirst of truth!

Yes, it is only a matter of time now. The Truth will prevail, again.

 

[Yes, the Truth that Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi came to give, will prevail!]

 

regards to all,

 

violet

 

 

 

 

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> Dear Violet and All,

>

> Despite self-realization common sense has not prevailed, let alone

> the wisdom and truth of Shri Mataji's teachings and synthesis of all

> religions and scriptures. The fanatical and overwhelmingly 'hindu'

> oriented SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) with all its

> external rituals, images and focus for more than three decades has

> driven away 99.99% of seekers. So no matter how many thousands of

> public programs they organize the end result will constantly reflect

> all their previous efforts i.e., a retention rate of less than

0.01%.

> Thus 99.99% will always leave, the vast majority almost instantly.

>

> So do not be fooled by the usual SWAN hype that they are carrying

out

> programs to attract seekers. They have been using the same

propaganda

> for years, and less and less SYs are participating in this organized

> falsehood and editing of Her Divine Message. The day Shri Mataji

> attains Mahasamadhi even this officially organized hype also will

> meet its assured end. It is only a matter of time now.

>

> But we will ensure that the Advent and Divine Message of the Adi

> Shakti (Holy Spirit/Comforter) is made available to all humanity in

> its entirety. Without this central core and basic foundation the

> official SYSSR scaffolding has time and again collapsed despite

> thousands of helping hands, and continues to collapse till today.

> We are set to prevail over WCASY, SWAN, Sir C.P and the entire

Sahaja

> Yoga organization. Yes, it is only a matter of time now.

>

> Under no circumstance whatsoever will their combined effort to edit

> out the Divine Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection ever

> succeed. That is why their own self-destruction is taking place

> within the Sahaja Yoga organization. Just look around and read the

> writing on their walls. All we need to do now is wait patiently till

> the camel dies of thirst ............ the thirst of truth! Yes, it

is

> only a matter of time now. The Truth will prevail, again.

>

> regards to all,

>

> jagbir

>

>

> , " Violet "

> <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir and All,

> >

> > Just to add one more thing, regarding taking Sahaja Yoga

> to " ordinary Americans " (and as you also have said), " ordinary

> Americans " are going to have to be taught what the Narrow Gate (and

> not the Agnya Chakra) means. Shri Mataji has given much information

> about the Narrow Gate!

> >

> > Sahaja Yogis are going to have to tell " ordinary Americans " what

> the Kingdom of God (and not Sahasrara) means, and Shri Mataji has

> given much information on the Kingdom of God!

> >

> > Sahaja Yogis are going to have to accept that " ordinary Christian

> Americans' will not accept photographs to worship, which they

> consider to be idols. So, Sahaja Yogis will have to teach about

> the " Holy Spirit Within " so that " ordinary Christian Americans "

> can " go within " and " KNOW THEMSELVES " !

> >

> > This has to be done, in the language, culture, and 'Christian

> understanding' of " ordinary Americans " .

> >

> > So Jagbir, i am very glad you have made these points, also!

> >

> > Btw. Christians also have to be told that " in Shri Mataji's

> teachings " Christ's teachings of the " Coming of the Comforter " and

> His continued " Last Judgment and Resurrection Message " has finally

> been fulfilled!

> >

> > Like you say, Jagbir, the Subtle System Knowledge is a small part

> of it, which Christians will likely not take too, unless they know

> the " big picture " of why the subtle system knowledge is handy to

> have. Unlike Hindus, who are maybe very " chakra based " , 'Christian

> Americans' are not 'chakra based'! They think it is " occult

> knowledge " that is forbidden knowledge, in a lot of cases.

> >

> > So, these are the barriers to reaching " Ordinary Christian

> Americans', and understanding of 'Christian Americans' is needed, to

> take Sahaja Yoga to them in a way that they can accept it!

> >

> > So, 'Hindu-looking-things' will probably not work with

> ordinary 'Christian Americans', i would say. Because Christian

> Americans are very much indoctrinated into " not worshipping idols " ,

> nor are that interested in chakras, or Kundlini. But they " are "

> interested in the " Holy Spirit " , in the " Last Judgment and

> Resurrection " , in the " Narrow Gate " , and in " Salvation " , and in

> Christ's Message. So these aspects have to be addressed and focussed

> upon!

> >

> > regards to all,

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ,

> > " Violet " <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jagbir and All,

> > >

> > > [i will C & P your post and reply to it]....

> > >

> > > Dear Violet and All,

> > >

> > > i think it will be best to edit this lengthy topic and leave out

> > part 4, or anything of the same substance. i can do that. Since

you

> > have also other part(s) remaining i will wait.

> > >

> > > [Okay, i am happy with that. As you say, we need to make the

> > Christians feel comfortable. We cannot be too 'Hindunized' when

> > presenting the 'Christian Comforter' to the Christians. i recall

> Shri

> > Mataji recently telling yogis in the USA that it is the American

> > yogis, not immigrants, who have to examine and elucidate why they

> > were attracted to Sahaja Yoga, and why they continue Sahaja Yoga.

> > Just to remind us, here are some points She made only 5 months

ago,

> > on June 2007!....

> > >

> > >

> > > [Firstly Point 8]:

> > >

> > > 8. American yogis (not immigrants) have to examine and elucidate

> > the reasons why they were attracted to and have continued to

remain

> > in SAHAJA YOGA. They should ask themselves a key question: " What

is

> > it about Shri Mataji and SAHAJA YOGA that makes it so unique and

> > important for me in my life? " They should then try and reach out

to

> > mainstream Americans with the same messages. (Shri Mataji Nirmala

> > Devi - June 2007)

> > >

> > > [Jagbir, i have to say that the reason i stay in Sahaja Yoga,

> which

> > is my Second Birth, is because it is my Second Birth of the

Spirit.

> > Coming from a Christian background, and knowing my Bible very

> deeply,

> > i was waiting for the Christian Comforter, and found Her in Shri

> > Mataji Nirmala Devi! That is how 'Christian America' will also

> become

> > interested in Sahaja Yoga. Shri Mataji was obviously trying to

spur

> > on the yogis to try and remember all that She told about Christ's

> > Message, not to mention his Message of the Last Judgment and

> > Resurrection, which message Shri Mataji has come to fulfil! So, by

> > saying yogis have to introspect and see why they accepted Shri

> > Mataji, that is a key to why Americans will also accept Shri

Mataji.

> > In other words, Her teachings of the Last Judgment and

Resurrection

> > fulfil Christ's teachings!!!]

> > >

> > >

> > > [Here is Point 9 of what Shri Mataji said]:

> > >

> > > 9. Ordinary Americans have to see and identify with their 'own

> > kind' in order to recognize the benefits of SAHAJA YOGA. This will

> > not easily happen if all they see are Indians propagating SAHAJA

> YOGA!

> > >

> > > [Jagbir, so why do ordinary Americans have to see " and identity "

> > with their " own kind " ? [rhetorical question]. Because it is a case

> of

> > how do " ordinary Americans " adapt to Sahaja Yoga. i can tell you

> > right now, that they are not going to accept having to wear saris.

> > That is not necessary to have your Second Birth. A sari, though

nice

> > to wear in front of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi at puja, is

> nevertheless

> > not a requirement to getting your Second Birth of the Spirit! What

> > about all the other 'Hindunized ways'? Again, Christians are not

> > going to accept any photographs of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi,

because

> > to them, worshipping the photograph of someone, is idol worship!

So

> > how are the Sahaja Yogis going to get around that problem?! They

> will

> > have to teach Christians to " Know Yourself " , which tip Shri Mataji

> > gave!]

> > >

> > >

> > > [Here is Point 10 of what Shri Mataji gave]:

> > >

> > > 10. American yogis have thus to take center stage and lead this

> > endeavor. All other ethnicities, including Indians, can play a

truly

> > supportive role in helping out with this grand venture.

> > >

> > > [i agree very much with this. Indians teaching Christians Sahaja

> > Yoga will make Christians think that Sahaja Yoga is a 'Hindu

thing'.

> > But is it a Hindu thing? Jagbir, is Sahaja Yoga a 'Hindu thing'?

> That

> > is a question we should perhaps ask and discuss on the forum:

> > >

> > > " Is Sahaja Yoga a Hindu thing? "

> > >

> > > i think to freely and openly discuss this question, will give

> > Sahaja Yogis a better 'all-round' perspective on Sahaja Yoga, and

> > what it is.]

> > >

> > >

> > > [Here is Point 11 of what Shri Mataji gave]:

> > >

> > > 11. Opening SAHAJA schools in various American cities in order

to

> > get in more children would be an ideal way to propagate SAHAJA.

> > Children attending SAHAJA schools are completely happy within that

> > environment and if that can be replicated to attract children from

> > non-yogi families that would be a wonderful way of getting SAHAJA

> > into American families. If parents notice that their children are

> > very happy and content with a SAHAJA school (and its attendant

> > culture), the probability of success of their acceptance of Sahaja

> > automatically becomes very high.

> > >

> > > [As Shri Mataji says, opening Sahaja schools in various American

> > cities, will indeed be a way to get more children in to understand

> > Sahaja Yoga. However, Sahaja Yoga will need to be taught in a

> > Christian country now, not in a Hindu country! We are talking here

> > about " ORDINARY AMERICANS " , as Shri Mataji also says! The

challenge

> > is how to connect Sahaja Yoga to people from a Christian Country,

> > isn't it?! Won't Sahaja Yogis have to explain about how Christ's

> > teachings are fulfilled by Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi's teachings

> then?

> > Won't the Last Judgment and Resurrection Message of Christ, of

> > 'Christian America' have to come into it?! Is this Shri Mataji's

> last

> > hope that Sahaja Yogis will give Her Last Judgment and

Resurrection

> > Message, that they will in fact, by being faced with 'Christian

> > America' have to admit that Shri Mataji's Message is also Christ

> > Jesus's continued Message?! Is this a very subtle message

therefore

> > to Sahaj Yogis from Shri Mataji, to wake up, and really understand

> > what Sahaja Yoga is all about?]

> > >

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji's Conclusion Given:

> > >

> > > Finally SHRI MATAJI said that SHE will come to America. SHE said

> > that SHE will not give up yet. However, SHE repeatedly asked this

> > question, " You tell Me what it is that I should tell the American

> > public that will make them accept SAHAJA YOGA? " ({Shri Mataji

> Nirmala

> > Devi - Conversations with the DIVINE - June 2007, Cabella Ligure,

> > Italy)

> > >

> > > /message/

> > 8498?unwrap=1 & var=1 & l=1

> > >

> > > [i will say, " Shri Mataji is it not your continued Message of

> > Christ's Message that Americans will accept? " Can't we give it to

> > " ordinary Americans " in that way, so they will understand it?

After

> > all, did not You give this message to " ordinary Americans " and

> > " ordinary Australians " and " ordinary Europeans " and " ordinary

> > Russiand " and etc.? "

> > >

> > > It seems to me that this is the answer that Shri Mataji was

trying

> > to get out of the Sahaja Yogis, which i am sure would have

> satisfied

> > Her! Maybe, She was testing them. After all, for how many years

had

> > She, Herself, spoken about the teachings of Christ, and His Last

> > Judgment and Resurrection Message! i wonder if any Sahaja Yogis

> > actually mentioned this point, then? Was this point mentioned? i

> sure

> > would like to know. Or have WCASY shut the mouths of great Sahaja

> > Yogis about Christ's continued Message to " ordinaary Americans? " i

> > have my doubts that WCASY actually want this message to go out to

> > " ordinary Americans " ! i think they just want to give the Hindu

> Subtle

> > System Message, don't they? Please prove me wrong, if you

disagree!]

> > >

> > > [WCASY et al, gave this summary, then]:

> > >

> > > " That in essence is the challenge for all of us. SHRI MATAJI

wants

> > to come to America, not necessarily for us but for all those who

> have

> > yet to see HER light. "

> > >

> > > [i could not have said it better! Shri Mataji is going to

America

> > once more, because She is not giving up yet! We already know here

at

> > adishakti.org, what message " ordinary Americans " will accept. It

is

> > splashed all over the adishakti.org site:

> > >

> > > http://www.adishakti.org/

> > >

> > > and the Christian site:

> > >

> > > http://www.holyspirit-shekinah.org/

> > >

> > > In fact, Christians already know all about Christ's Message, so

> > Shri Mataji's continuing Message of the Last Judgment and

> > Resurrection Message, will be very acceptable to them! The

> Christians

> > won't be frightened of that Message. They won't evade it! They

will

> > ask Sahaja Yogis all those questions, that relate to Christ and

> > Sahaja Yoga. So Sahaja Yogis will have to face up to " ordinary

> > Christian Americans?!

> > >

> > > Sahaja Yogis will have to put themselves in 'Christian Shoes',

> > figuratively speaking, and be sensitive to Christian

'sensibilities'

> > when giving them Sahaja Yoga. In other words, American Sahaja

Yogis,

> > who necessarily have to know about Christianity, about Christ's

> > Message, have to 'be Christian' when giving " Sahaja Yoga " . It

cannot

> > look like it is a Hindu religion. It cannot look fanatical either.

> > Sahaja Yogis are Christian! And Jewish, and Sikh, and Buddhist,

and

> > Islam, because Sahaja includes everything and everyone, regardless

> of

> > cultural background.

> > >

> > > If anyone can do it, American Sahaja Yogis can do it, that is

use

> > all their communicative skills that Shri Krishna bestows on

> > Americans, to give back the Christian Message In Its Fulness, and

> > show the Christians what they have been missing in Christianity!

> Fill

> > in the missing pieces of the puzzle!!!

> > >

> > > Btw. if Christians feel that we are presenting them something

that

> > is Hindu-based, they will think it is really for the Hindus, and

not

> > for the Christians. LOL!!! We have to help heal these fragmented

> > religions, these branches that have broken off from the Tree of

> Life.

> > The only way we can do that is speak to them in their own language

> of

> > Christianity! Emphasis on the subtle system is very Hindu and

mostly

> > not touched on in Christianity at all. However, once Christians

> > embrace their own 'Christian Comforter's' teachings, they will be

> > more disposed to learning even the deeper aspects of the subtle

> > system, i would say. After all, the subtle system is couched in

the

> > language of the 'Seven Churches' in the Bible. Edgar Cayce, the

> > American prophet and seer, also revealed the same. And 'churches'

> are

> > really our 'inner temple' and not external churches, when spoken

> > about in the Bible!]

> > >

> > >

> > > [Jagbir]:

> > >

> > > i have realized that Sahaja Yoga is nothing but the advent of

the

> > Adi Shakti (Holy Spirit/Comforter) completing the teachings of

Jesus

> > Christ. The subtle system is the Tree of Life. Self-realization is

> > being born of the Spirit. The Kingdom of God within is the

> Sahasrara.

> > Entering it by the Narrow Gate is entering via the Agnya Chakra.

> Shri

> > Kalki is the Second Coming of Christ. The Last Judgment is the

grace

> > period to evolve into the spirit prior to His Coming ... and so

> forth.

> > >

> > > [Jagbir, you have put it so very brilliantly! It's just

fantastic!

> > i had been looking for the Holy Spirit/Comforter that Christ said

> > would come. So when i first came to Sahaja Yoga Meditation in a

> > private home, very soon, i asked about the identity of Shri

Mataji,

> > and so forth. i put 2 and 2 together, and realised that She might

be

> > the Christian Comforter, that Christ promised would come. Of

course,

> > my subsequent spiritual experience soon confirmed that. Maybe,

> unlike

> > a lot of Sahaja Yogis, i was actually grounded in the Christian

> > scriptures and knew them backwards and forwards, inside and out.

And

> > maybe, unlike many Christians, i had from my early years, when i

> > first started asking 'what is it all about?'.... read the Bible

very

> > deeply, to really ascertain Christ's meaning.... not

superficially,

> > but very deeply. Through the years, i realised i needed something

> > more, a really Divine personality in my life, to take me further,

> and

> > i knew that would be the Comforter that Christ promised would

come!

> > All i can say, is that my real Life Quest, has been fulfilled.

> > >

> > > To think that this is Our Special Collective Lifetime, that we

> have

> > met the Incarnation of the Holy Spirit, in person, on Earth, is

> > astounding in itself! It is a very dear and speechless thing, that

> > cannot be truly fathomed. i am sure we will contemplate all the

> > aspects far into the future, that are happening in this lifetime,

> and

> > will marvel upon it with continued unending Joy!

> > >

> > > i think many Sahaja Yogis will perhaps only fathom it, in the

> > future, when they can see things more clearly. Right now, many are

> > blinded by their narrow focus, and events have overtaken many.

> > However, in future, especially when Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has

Her

> > Mahasammadhi, there will be much inner conscientious searching, as

> to

> > 'what it was really all about!!!' People will not accept Sir C.P.

as

> > a new incarnation. Then they will realise that it was " The Mother "

> > all along, who was the only One who fulfilled all their desires,

and

> > in particular, " the Divine Mother within " , the Holy Spirit!]

> > >

> > >

> > > " Now this Kundalini is the power which is placed in the sacrum

> > bone, nowhere else…. And imagine this bone is called " sacrum " ;

> sacrum

> > means sacred. So they knew there was something in it….

> > >

> > > This is the primule, is the germinating power within us. Now

this

> > fact has been accepted for thousands of years in India and

> elsewhere.

> > For in the Bible also they talk of the Tree of Life. That is the

> same

> > as this….

> > >

> > > So this is the thing that is being described in our ancient

books,

> > in all the scriptures, even in the Qur'an they are described as

Ruh,

> > R,U,H, Ruh. Ruh means the cold breeze, the cool breeze. The cool

> > breeze of the Holy Ghost is described in the Bible also.

> > >

> > > You cannot suddenly start a new idea about something. If it is

an

> > evolutionary process, if it is a living process it must have its

> > background, its history, and it must culminate into something

> > fruitful. Like every fruit has a tree behind it. If it is a living

> > fruit it has to come out the tree that have existed for thousands

> and

> > thousands of years, and out of that this tree has to come. It must

> > have a base and this is traditionally called the kundalini

awakening

> > process….

> > >

> > > Christ has said very clearly that you have to be born again. I

> mean

> > the whole message of Christ's life is realization…. when Christ

came

> > on this Earth to show that you have to become the spirit. By His

> > resurrection He showed that, and this is the message of Christ. "

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > > Seeking our Spirit, 10-23-1980

> > >

> > >

> > > [Jagbir]:

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji gave us a very balanced knowledge of the religions,

> all

> > ultimately culminating in realizing the Self within. So no matter

> how

> > much Sahaja Yoga has been 'Hindunized' today with all the

excessive

> > external rituals and cleansing fanaticism, in future it will

revert

> > back to worshipping God Almighty in spirit and truth. That is why

it

> > is so necessary today to present that future vision at

> www.holyspirit-

> > shekinah.org. The focus must be sharp so that the future vision

> > destroys all that is false and mundane. That is only possible if

you

> > truly realize that Sahaja Yoga is nothing but the advent of the

Adi

> > Shakti (Holy Spirit/Comforter) completing the teachings of Jesus.

By

> > doing so She also triggers the collective eschatological

> expectations

> > of humanity, a tremendous task indeed:

> > >

> > > " I am the Adi Shakti (Holy Spirit/Ruh). I am the One who has

come

> > on this Earth for the first time in this form to do this

tremendous

> > task. "

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > > (Adi-Shakti: Primal Power; being the First Cause.)

> > >

> > > [Jagbir, i agree totally with what you say! Sahaja Yoga is the

> > fulfilment of Christianity; it is the fulfilment of Buddhism, of

> > Hinduism, of Islam, of Sikhism, of Taoism, of the Great White

> Spirit,

> > of all of them! Sahaja Yoga has the capability to adapt to every

> > culture and religion under the sun, because it is just the Truth,

> the

> > Love, and the Wisdom, that has to be imbibed within the person, so

> > they can be transformed and become who they really are, which is

the

> > Spirit! Spirit is in every religion and belief! i don't think we,

> nor

> > Sahaja Yogis under WCASY even " know " how Her Message is going to

> > explode in the world-at-large! The Truth remains and will not go

> > down, in fact it will grow stronger and stronger with Time, and as

> > you say, 'time is on our side'! So Her Message will eventually

break

> > through each and every barrier, like the trickle of water

eventually

> > wears down every 'rock of resistance'!]

> > >

> > >

> > > The Adi Shakti (Hinduism), Comforter/Holy Spirit (Christianity),

> > Shekinah (Judaism), Ma Adi/Ruh (Islam), Mai Treya (Buddhism),

Great

> > Mother (Taoism) and Aykaa Mayee (Sikhism) are the one and same

> > primordial Divine Feminine.

>; > >

> > > According to Aaron-Golan in The Illustrated Bible Dictionary,

" The

> > coming eschatological salvation is envisaged in transcendent and

> > universal terms.... in the form of both bodily resurrection and of

> > spiritual immortality. " The Torah contains several references

> to " the

> > End of Days " (achareet ha-yameem), which is the time of the

moshiach

> > (Messiah).

> > >

> > > As Messiah She fulfills this ancient Jewish prophecy.

> > >

> > > As Comforter/Holy Spirit promised by Lord Jesus She completes

His

> > teachings and commences the Last Judgment.

> > >

> > > As Mahdi/Ruh She proclaims the Great News of the Resurrection

> > (surah 75 Al-Qiyamah). " Great News: usually understood to mean the

> > News or Message of the Resurrection. " (Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The

Holy

> > Quran)

> > >

> > > As Mai(Mother) Treya(Threefold) She fulfills the prophecy to

renew

> > Buddha's work. " Relying on certain Mahayana Buddhist citations and

> > quotations ... the fifth Buddha will be Maitreya Buddha. " — the

> > present XIVth Dalai Lama.

> > >

> > > As the Shakti entrenched in the holy scriptures She grants both

> > bodily resurrection (kundalni awakening/self-realization/second

> > birth) and spiritual immortality (moksa/eternal life). The daily

> > experience of the cool breeze (Ruach/Breath of God/Ruh/Chaitanya)

> > will assure humans that the promised evolution into the eternal

> > spirit has begun. We must remain focused on spreading this Great

> > News, the Blossom Time as Shri Mataji fondly calls it. We must see

> > Her vision for the emancipation of humanity with great clarity,

and

> > act with that same sense of urgency and sincerity. We are well on

> the

> > way.

> > >

> > > [Thank-you for your heartwarming message that " we are well on

the

> > way " . YES, WE ARE!]

> > >

> > > warmest regards,

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> > >

> > > warmest regards,

> > >

> > > violet

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " jagbir

> > > singh " <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Violet and All,

> > > >

> > > > i think it will be best to edit this lenghty topic and leave

out

> > > part

> > > > 4, or anything of the same substance. i can do that. Since you

> > have

> > > > also other part(s) remaining i will wait.

> > > >

> > > > i have realized that Sahaja Yoga is nothing but the advent of

> the

> > > Adi

> > > > Shakti (Holy Spirit/Comforter) completing the teachings of

Jesus

> > > > Christ. The subtle system is the Tree of Life. Self-

realization

> is

> > > > being born of the Spirit. The Kingdom of God within is the

> > > Sahasrara.

> > > > Entering it by the Narrow Gate is entering via the Agnya

Chakra.

> > > Shri

> > > > Kalki is the Second Coming of Christ. The Last Judgment is the

> > > grace

> > > > period to evolve into the spirit prior to His Coming ... and

so

> > > forth.

> > > >

> > > > " Now this Kundalini is the power which is placed in the sacrum

> > > bone,

> > > > nowhere else…. And imagine this bone is called " sacrum " ;

sacrum

> > > means

> > > > sacred. So they knew there was something in it….

> > > >

> > > > This is the primule, is the germinating power within us. Now

> this

> > > > fact has been accepted for thousands of years in India and

> > > elsewhere.

> > > > For in the Bible also they talk of the Tree of Life. That is

the

> > > same

> > > > as this….

> > > >

> > > > So this is the thing that is being described in our ancient

> books,

> > > in

> > > > all the scriptures, even in the Qur'an they are described as

> Ruh,

> > > > R,U,H, Ruh. Ruh means the cold breeze, the cool breeze. The

cool

> > > > breeze of the Holy Ghost is described in the Bible also.

> > > >

> > > > You cannot suddenly start a new idea about something. If it is

> an

> > > > evolutionary process, if it is a living process it must have

its

> > > > background, its history, and it must culminate into something

> > > > fruitful. Like every fruit has a tree behind it. If it is a

> living

> > > > fruit it has to come out the tree that have existed for

> thousands

> > > and

> > > > thousands of years, and out of that this tree has to come. It

> must

> > > > have a base and this is traditionally called the kundalini

> > > awakening

> > > > process….

> > > >

> > > > Christ has said very clearly that you have to be born again. I

> > mean

> > > > the whole message of Christ's life is realization…. when

Christ

> > > came

> > > > on this Earth to show that you have to become the spirit. By

His

> > > > resurrection He showed that, and this is the message of

Christ. "

> > > >

> > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > > > Seeking our Spirit, 10-23-1980

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Shri Mataji gave us a very balanced knowledge of the

religions,

> > all

> > > > ultimately culminating in realizing the Self within. So no

> matter

> > > how

> > > > much Sahaja Yoga has been 'Hindunized' today with all the

> > excessive

> > > > external rituals and cleansing fanaticism, in future it will

> > revert

> > > > back to worshipping God Almighty in spirit and truth. That is

> why

> > > it

> > > > is so necessary today to present that future vision at

> > > www.holyspirit-

> > > > shekinah.org. The focus must be sharp so that the future

vision

> > > > destroys all that is false and mundane. That is only possible

if

> > > you

> > > > truly realize that Sahaja Yoga is nothing but the advent of

the

> > Adi

> > > > Shakti (Holy Spirit/Comforter) completing the teachings of

> Jesus.

> > > By

> > > > doing so She also triggers the collective eschatological

> > > expectations

> > > > of humanity, a tremendous task indeed:

> > > >

> > > > " I am the Adi Shakti (Holy Spirit/Ruh). I am the One who has

> come

> > > on

> > > > this Earth for the first time in this form to do this

tremendous

> > > > task. "

> > > >

> > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > > > (Adi-Shakti: Primal Power; being the First Cause.)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The Adi Shakti (Hinduism), Comforter/Holy Spirit

(Christianity),

> > > > Shekinah (Judaism), Ma Adi/Ruh (Islam), Mai Treya (Buddhism),

> > Great

> > > > Mother (Taoism) and Aykaa Mayee (Sikhism) are the one and same

> > > > primordial Divine Feminine.

> > > >

> > > > According to Aaron-Golan in The Illustrated Bible

> Dictionary, " The

> > > > coming eschatological salvation is envisaged in transcendent

and

> > > > universal terms.... in the form of both bodily resurrection

and

> of

> > > > spiritual immortality. " The Torah contains several references

to

> > > " the

> > > > End of Days " (achareet ha-yameem), which is the time of the

> > > moshiach

> > > > (Messiah).

> > > >

> > > > As Messiah She fulfills this ancient Jewish prophecy.

> > > >

> > > > As Comforter/Holy Spirit promised by Lord Jesus She completes

> His

> > > > teachings and commences the Last Judgment.

> > > >

> > > > As Mahdi/Ruh She proclaims the Great News of the Resurrection

> > > (surah

> > > > 75 Al-Qiyamah). " Great News: usually understood to mean the

News

> > or

> > > > Message of the Resurrection. " (Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy

> Quran)

> > > >

> > > > As Mai(Mother) Treya(Threefold) She fulfills the prophecy to

> renew

> > > > Buddha's work. " Relying on certain Mahayana Buddhist citations

> and

> > > > quotations ... the fifth Buddha will be Maitreya Buddha. " —

the

> > > > present XIVth Dalai Lama

> > > >

> > > > As the Shakti entrenched in the holy scriptures She grants

both

> > > > bodily resurrection (kundalni awakening/self-realization/

second

> > > > birth) and spiritual immortality (moksa/eternal life). The

daily

> > > > experience of the cool breeze (Ruach/Breath of

> God/Ruh/Chaitanya)

> > > > will assure humans that the promised evolution into the

eternal

> > > > spirit has begun. We must remain focused on spreading this

Great

> > > News,

> > > > the Blossom Time as Shri Mataji fondly calls it. We must see

Her

> > > > vision for the emancipation of humanity with great clarity,

and

> > act

> > > > with that same sense of urgency and sincerity. We are well on

> the

> > > way.

> > > >

> > > > warmest regards,

> > > >

> > > > jagbir

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Violet "

> > > > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jagbir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Okay. i won't use it as 'Part 4' but make the next one 'Part

> 4'.

> > > Or

> > > > are you meaning that Parts 1, 2, and 3 are also not suitable

for

> > > > Christians, and should be just for our forum?

> > > > >

> > > > > warmest regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > violet

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " jagbir

> > > > > singh " <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Violet,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i do not think this topic is suitable for HSS. It is a

very

> > > > > difficult topic to understand, and i mean for Hindus.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HSS should be entirely related to the Bible - Jesus,

kingdom

> > of

> > > > > god, second birth, resurrection, last judgment, comforter,

> > divine

> > > > > feminine etc. Christians visiting HSS should feel very

> > > comfortable

> > > > with the

> > > > site topics. i know many Christians are averse to anything

non-

> > > Bible.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > warmest regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jagbir

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Violet "

> > > > > > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Jagbir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is Part 4 of 'The Body of the Mother', for upload

to

> > > (HSS).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > violet

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [For Upload]:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The Body of the Mother - Part 4

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Gruha Lakshmi indicates the divine feminine quality of

> > peace

> > > > > that

> > > > > > manifests in the stomach and partly in the liver from the

> > > location

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the solar plexus, whose energy center is called 'Nahbi

> > Chakra'.

> > > > The

> > > > > > power of Gruha Lakshmi is also the unique power of a

> mother's

> > > > love,

> > > > > > wife's love, and sister's love, that can and does call

for a

> > > > > > certain 'self-sacrifice' for the welfare of family,

friends,

> > > loved

> > > > > > ones, and the world-at-large! Shri Mataji has said that

the

> > > Age of

> > > > > > Truth is also the age in which women will arise and

> transform

> > > the

> > > > > > world around them. In more universal terminology, the

> > > patriarchal

> > > > > age

> > > > > > is giving way to a 'matriarchal age', the Age of the

Divine

> > > > > Feminine,

> > > > > > the Holy Spirit, who is the Comforter that Christ promised

> > > would

> > > > > > come! In this excerpt of the 'Body of the Mother', Shri

> Mataji

> > > > > > Nirmala Devi explains about Gruha Lakshmi, Raja Lakshmi,

> > > > > Mahalakshmi,

> > > > > > and their importance to us.]....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is the Gruha Lakshmi, Raja Lakshmi and Mahalakshmi?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Peace is only achieved through the Gruha Lakshmi -

through

> > > your

> > > > > > proper adjustment of your spleen. Because the spleen is

the

> > > giver

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the blood cells, it creates nutrition for the whole body.

If

> > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > no peace in that area within us, the whole system can go

> out,

> > > as

> > > > > this

> > > > > > is the 'nourishing center' within us. And that centre that

> > > > > nourishes,

> > > > > > also gives peace!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You must have heard the " Ya Devi, sarva bhuteshu shanti

> > > rupena

> > > > > > samstitha " - the goddess that is the 'shanti' that is

> present

> > > in

> > > > > > every human being 'as peace'. So this peace is only

possible

> > if

> > > > > > housewives realise their importance, bear it upon

> themselves,

> > > are

> > > > > > forgiving and are redeeming family life. They have to

redeem

> > > the

> > > > > > family life, and where this gets spoilt, the whole system

> goes

> > > > out!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [shri Mataji Nirmala Devi now indicates the chakra

> > position]:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The right [masculine] side is the Raja Lakshmi; [left

> > > feminine

> > > > > > side, being the 'Gruha Lakshmi']. Once this 'Raja Lakshmi'

> > > > business

> > > > > > comes up, you will then understand " respect " , because once

> you

> > > > > > respect yourself, you start respecting others also. And

[the

> > > fact]

> > > > > > that you are all saints [means that] you have to respect

> each

> > > > other

> > > > > > in the same way ['equally']!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Today the light is now there, which is a very important

> > > thing!

> > > > > From

> > > > > > the beginning, in the Gruha Lakshmi state [of the

evolution

> of

> > > > man]

> > > > > > when man first discovered fire and used the fire to cook

the

> > > food,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > was the warmth of the Mother, that was shown through the

> > heart.

> > > > She

> > > > > > used the warmth in the house to warm up her children, to

> give

> > > them

> > > > > > food and all that. Then it became a very collective thing,

> > > > > expressed

> > > > > > as light! If you celebrate any Republic Day or

Independence

> > > Day,

> > > > we

> > > > > > put on the lights - we have fireworks! To express

ourselves

> > > that

> > > > > way,

> > > > > > is the 'Raja Lakshmi.'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Note: 'Raja Lakshmi' again, referring to the masculine

> > > " right "

> > > > > > side, and 'Gruha Lakshmi' referring to the feminine " left "

> > side

> > > > > > qualities].

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The Eight Aspects of Mahalakshmi....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mahalakshmi, ['Maha' meaning 'Great'] has eight aspects:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > First: Adya Lakshmi. Adya Lakshmi means Mahalakshmi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Second: Vidya Lakshmi. Vidya is the art of Sahaja Yoga

> > > ['Union

> > > > > with

> > > > > > the Divine Within']. That is Vidya; the rest is all avidya

> > > > > > [ignorance]. How to raise the Kundalini, how to awaken all

> the

> > > > > > deities [within you], how to cleanse yourself, how to

> cleanse

> > > > > others,

> > > > > > all the knowledge, all the aspects of that is called as

> > > 'Vidya',

> > > > > > the 'Lakshmi Vidya'. Lakshmi is the grace.... 'the

> awareness,

> > > that

> > > > > is

> > > > > > gracious'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Third: Sobhagya Lakshmi. Sobhagya means good fortune;

the

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > that gives you fortune in everything, in money, in your

> > > living, in

> > > > > > your food, in any way. Any good fortune is given through

> God!

> > > It's

> > > > > > only God who gives good fortune!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fourth: Amruta Lakshmi. Amruta means the thing that does

> not

> > > > die.

> > > > > > In this world Lakshmi exists as your wealth. Now the

wealth

> > > that

> > > > > does

> > > > > > not die, what is it? It is the Spirit! So the grace of the

> > > Spirit

> > > > > is

> > > > > > the Amruta Lakshmi.... the rest will die out and whatever

is

> > > done

> > > > > > through the Spirit, to please the Spirit, is the Amruta

> > > Lakshmi.

> > > > > For

> > > > > > example, loving others.... loving means giving without any

> > > > > > expectation [of return], just giving and enjoying! The

> > greatest

> > > > > thing

> > > > > > is to give vibrations. Vibrations cannot die!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fifth: Gruha Lakshmi (and Raja Lakshmi). [Explained

> above].

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sixth: Satya Lakshmi. That is awareness. She is the one

> who

> > > has

> > > > > > given you awareness. Awareness is Lakshmi's

> character. 'Satya'

> > > > > means

> > > > > > the truth. As you rise in your awareness, you know the

> truth!

> > > What

> > > > > is

> > > > > > the truth? What are you aware of? You are aware that you

are

> > > the

> > > > > > instrument of God, and that He is working through you. You

> are

> > > > > aware

> > > > > > of it, because it is flowing on your central nervous

system.

> > > This

> > > > > is

> > > > > > the truth of which you have to be aware!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is the other truth? It is, " Who are you? " .... that

> you

> > > are

> > > > > the

> > > > > > Spirit! And the third truth is " Who am I? " and " Who is

> > > > > > God? " .... " What is your destiny? " . If these become your

> > > awareness,

> > > > > > then you have got 'Satya' Lakshmi!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Seventh: Bhogya Lakshmi. 'Bhog' means the 'One by which

> you

> > > > > enjoy.'

> > > > > > I mean, you can have the whole Ocean of Joy around you and

> > yet,

> > > > > like

> > > > > > a bird, cannot drink it! It is only through the grace of

> > > 'Bhogya

> > > > > > Lakshmi', that you can " enjoy " !

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Eighth: Yoga Lakshmi. It's the Lakshmi's power which

gives

> > > you

> > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > [union with God]. Lakshmi supports your power of Yoga, by

> > > giving

> > > > > you

> > > > > > awareness. So 'Yoga Lakshmi' is the power by which you go

to

> > > Yoga!

> > > > > > Then once you have achieved your Yoga, you get the grace!

> > > Lakshmi

> > > > > is

> > > > > > the grace, so you get the grace of a saint.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Diwali Festival of Light -

> > Diwali

> > > > > Puja -

> > > > > > Country Unknown - 1 November, 1981)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >; >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>