Hey Violet, thx for your info but I have more questions

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" One of the first mantras which is in the initial Self-Realisation

Guided Meditation is:

 

" Kundalini Mother, please give me the Pure Knowledge of the Spirit! "

 

To eventually gain this Pure Knowledge of the Spirit, one has to

first become an 'empty vessel', in order to receive it. If your cup

is already full of other things, you will have no room for it. When

one becomes an 'empty vessel' this knowledge just flows in, when it

wishes to. There are no rules or regulations that regulate its flow,

to my knowledge, except that the person has to be in " Divine Union "

to receive it. The Pure Knowledge of the Spirit then flows in as

wisdom, knowledge, intuition, inspiration, and intelligence.

(smile) "

 

From what I understand, a person has to become an empty vessel and

also be in Divine Union. Yup, I am now having a hollow personality

that is empty for the knowledge to flow in. Nevertheless, the

knowledge never comes even after for so long. I thought everyone of

us has achieved Divine Union when we received our self-realization.

Correct me if I am wrong in this.

[Guest guest]

,

" don19831114 " <hylee42 wrote:

>

> " One of the first mantras which is in the initial Self-Realisation

> Guided Meditation is:

>

> " Kundalini Mother, please give me the Pure Knowledge of the

Spirit! "

>

> To eventually gain this Pure Knowledge of the Spirit, one has to

> first become an 'empty vessel', in order to receive it. If your

cup

> is already full of other things, you will have no room for it.

When

> one becomes an 'empty vessel' this knowledge just flows in, when

it

> wishes to. There are no rules or regulations that regulate its

flow,

> to my knowledge, except that the person has to be in " Divine

Union "

> to receive it. The Pure Knowledge of the Spirit then flows in as

> wisdom, knowledge, intuition, inspiration, and intelligence.

> (smile) "

>

> From what I understand, a person has to become an empty vessel and

> also be in Divine Union. Yup, I am now having a hollow personality

> that is empty for the knowledge to flow in. Nevertheless, the

> knowledge never comes even after for so long. I thought everyone

of

> us has achieved Divine Union when we received our self-

realization.

> Correct me if I am wrong in this.

>

 

 

Dear Don,

 

There is a vast difference between an 'empty vessel to receive the pure

knowledge of the Spirit' and a 'hollow personality'. Please introspect what you

are saying, because your reply is surprisingly shallow. If your efforts to have

your 'Union with the Divine Within' is as shallow as your reply, i am not

surprised that you are not having results, but only yourself can rectify this.

Until you go deeper, nothing will change. Ultimately, it is not about an

external exercise to achieve results. Ultimately, the spiritual journey within,

is about 'getting real with yourself' and asking yourself the hard questions and

finding the answers within yourself. That means deep introspection and

contemplation on the subject. Okay?! i mean this kindly, Don. (smile)

 

kind regards,

 

violet

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Dear Don,

 

i have C & P your post, so i can answer it for you:

 

" So by saying the mantra " Mother, please give me the pure knowledge of the

spirit " , we could attain all knowledge. Does it means we will have all the

knowledge transferred to us?

 

[You are making it sound mechanical. 'Do this' and 'that' will happen. We are

talking about spiritual things here, not mechanical things (smile).

Alternatively, you are making it sound ritualistic. It is not like that. That

way won't work. Any robot can say it ritualistically. It takes a seeker of the

truth to say the mantra with an open heart, in a non-ritualistic way, each time,

meaning what they say, communicating deeply within (smile). You will get the

pure knowledge of the spirit when your vessel is in a fit state to receive this

pure knowledge (smile). That is how it works. A vessel that is full of ego and

conditionings is not empty to receive the pure knowledge of the Spirit. Many

people can repetitively say, " Mother, please give me the pure knowledge of the

Spirit " . However, they still have to be prepared to receive it. They have to

have the spiritual state to receive it. If a person has a stony heart, or has

hate in their heart, or is egotistical or selfish, they have to 'clean house'

before any pure knowledge of the Spirit can flow through. It is not a

'transference', which is very mechanical sounding. It is a flow of intelligence,

intuition, wisdom, and knowledge. The person becomes the knowledge in a way. The

knowledge and him become one. This is the depth we are talking about here

(smile).]

 

 

 

I have been saying it very often say, each time I meditated but I was not given

knowledge. Did I miss out on something? Please help.

 

[Like i've said, repetition is ritualistic. It is better to just 'be yourself',

be honest, and 'mean the mantra' rather than repeating it without results. The

result is yourself actually. It is yourself that will change, and once you

change, everything will change! (smile) So, yes, you must have missed out on

that point, that it is all about " you " . It is very individually about you, and

how you approach, with sincerity, honesty, and especially with surrender that

whatever happens, you will persevere. Enjoy the small changes. That's how it

happens. You have to enjoy each spiritual success, and build upon that.]

 

 

Additionally, you did mention something about some Sahaja Yogis " stop thinking "

and they were wrong about it. I thought Mother said if they are any problems, we

become thoughtless and then put all our problems into it, then it will be

solved. Mind to explain?

 

[i was explaining how some Sahaja Yogis thought 'thoughtless awareness' meant a

'suspension of intelligence'. i did not use the words 'were wrong', which are

words you have said, not me! LOL! So i think it is you that 'needs to explain

yourself!' LOL!

 

Shri Mataji has said that 'in that state' that you, Don have brought up the

subject on, you can put all your problems and they will be solved. But you have

to be in that state for this to work! That is the point. Please take this with a

sense of humour, but our greatest problem is ourselves. Once we remove the

problem of ourselves, our lower self to be precise, then all problems get

solved! LOL! A person who is continually in the 'surrender state' of Nirvikalpa

Samadhi has no problems, because they are themselves not the problem anymore!

LOL! You do have to see the funny side of this, of course. LOL! But all humour

aside, i put everything to the Divine Within, regarding potential problems, and

they work out spontaneously.]

 

 

From my own experience, each time when I meditated and achieved thoughtless

awareness, I would see some yellowish light coming down from my sahasrara. That

is the moment when all the thoughts inside my mind ceased and peace is

established. I heard some people said it's the Grace that descends and flows

into the Ida and Pingala nadi which makes us feel relaxed. Mother has said all

we need to do during meditation is to go thoughtless. I have meditated with my

attention on top of my head (sahasrara) all this while and what will happen if I

continue meditating this way?

 

[Yes, the idea is to be in thoughtless awareness, and when the meditative state

is established, you will be in thoughtless awareness even when you are not

intentionally sitting down to meditate. In the established state of thoughtless

awareness, called Nirvikalpa Samadhi, the person is in meditation on a 24/7

basis. That is because it is a 'state'. The reason for meditating is to

establish that state, to be in that always. It is the " Saving Grace State " . In

that state, you can go to work, work from home, do your duties or chores, and

you remain in that state. Even if there may be someone arguing, or something

around you, you will be able to stay in that state. In that state, when you do

intentionally sit down to meditate, as you are already 'in the state of

meditation', that state is just enhanced, and you can meditate very deeply and

enjoy the communion with the Divine within. (smile).]

 

i hope this helps.

 

 

regards,

 

violet

 

 

 

,

" don19831114 " <hylee42 wrote:

>

> So by saying the mantra " Mother, please give me the pure knowledge

> of the spirit " , we could attain all knowledge. Does it means we

will

> have all the knowledge transferred to us? I have been saying it

very

> often say, each time I meditated but I was not given knowledge. Did

> I miss out on something? Please help.

>

> Additionally, you did mention something about some Sahaja

> Yogis " stop thinking " and they were wrong about it. I thought

Mother

> said if they are any problems, we become thoughtless and then put

> all our problems into it, then it will be solved. Mind to explain?

:-

> )

>

> From my own experience, each time when I meditated and achieved

> thoughtless awareness, I would see some yellowish light coming down

> from my sahasrara. That is the moment when all the thoughts inside

> my mind ceased and peace is established. I heard some people said

> it's the Grace that descends and flows into the Ida and Pingala

nadi

> which makes us feel relaxed. Mother has said all we need to do

> during meditation is to go thoughtless. I have meditated with my

> attention on top of my head (sahasrara) all this while and what

will

> happen if I continue meditating this way?

>

[Guest guest]

Violet,

 

I am already there..for I have already cleanse my so called house

and clear my ego and conditionings. So I am an empty vessel waiting

for the Divine to fill me in with the pure knowledge. I am also

doing this from my heart and also very deeply....still, the progress

is slow. (smile).

 

 

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> ,

> " don19831114 " <hylee42@> wrote:

> >

> > " One of the first mantras which is in the initial Self-

Realisation

> > Guided Meditation is:

> >

> > " Kundalini Mother, please give me the Pure Knowledge of the

> Spirit! "

> >

> > To eventually gain this Pure Knowledge of the Spirit, one has to

> > first become an 'empty vessel', in order to receive it. If your

> cup

> > is already full of other things, you will have no room for it.

> When

> > one becomes an 'empty vessel' this knowledge just flows in, when

> it

> > wishes to. There are no rules or regulations that regulate its

> flow,

> > to my knowledge, except that the person has to be in " Divine

> Union "

> > to receive it. The Pure Knowledge of the Spirit then flows in as

> > wisdom, knowledge, intuition, inspiration, and intelligence.

> > (smile) "

> >

> > From what I understand, a person has to become an empty vessel

and

> > also be in Divine Union. Yup, I am now having a hollow

personality

> > that is empty for the knowledge to flow in. Nevertheless, the

> > knowledge never comes even after for so long. I thought everyone

> of

> > us has achieved Divine Union when we received our self-

> realization.

> > Correct me if I am wrong in this.

> >

>

>

> Dear Don,

>

> There is a vast difference between an 'empty vessel to receive the

pure knowledge of the Spirit' and a 'hollow personality'. Please

introspect what you are saying, because your reply is surprisingly

shallow. If your efforts to have your 'Union with the Divine Within'

is as shallow as your reply, i am not surprised that you are not

having results, but only yourself can rectify this. Until you go

deeper, nothing will change. Ultimately, it is not about an external

exercise to achieve results. Ultimately, the spiritual journey

within, is about 'getting real with yourself' and asking yourself

the hard questions and finding the answers within yourself. That

means deep introspection and contemplation on the subject. Okay?! i

mean this kindly, Don. (smile)

>

> kind regards,

>

> violet

>

[Guest guest]

Don,

 

It is one step at a time, brother, and patience is a virtue that is needed,

because as you say, progress can be slow at times. But just take heart and be

constant. You will overcome all obstacles in the end. Wait and see. (smile).

 

violet

 

 

,

" don19831114 " <hylee42 wrote:

>

>

> Violet,

>

> I am already there..for I have already cleanse my so called house

> and clear my ego and conditionings. So I am an empty vessel

waiting

> for the Divine to fill me in with the pure knowledge. I am also

> doing this from my heart and also very deeply....still, the

progress

> is slow. (smile).

>

>

> , " Violet "

> <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > ,

> > " don19831114 " <hylee42@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " One of the first mantras which is in the initial Self-

> Realisation

> > > Guided Meditation is:

> > >

> > > " Kundalini Mother, please give me the Pure Knowledge of the

> > Spirit! "

> > >

> > > To eventually gain this Pure Knowledge of the Spirit, one has

to

> > > first become an 'empty vessel', in order to receive it. If your

> > cup

> > > is already full of other things, you will have no room for it.

> > When

> > > one becomes an 'empty vessel' this knowledge just flows in,

when

> > it

> > > wishes to. There are no rules or regulations that regulate its

> > flow,

> > > to my knowledge, except that the person has to be in " Divine

> > Union "

> > > to receive it. The Pure Knowledge of the Spirit then flows in

as

> > > wisdom, knowledge, intuition, inspiration, and intelligence.

> > > (smile) "

> > >

> > > From what I understand, a person has to become an empty vessel

> and

> > > also be in Divine Union. Yup, I am now having a hollow

> personality

> > > that is empty for the knowledge to flow in. Nevertheless, the

> > > knowledge never comes even after for so long. I thought

everyone

> > of

> > > us has achieved Divine Union when we received our self-

> > realization.

> > > Correct me if I am wrong in this.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Dear Don,

> >

> > There is a vast difference between an 'empty vessel to receive

the

> pure knowledge of the Spirit' and a 'hollow personality'. Please

> introspect what you are saying, because your reply is surprisingly

> shallow. If your efforts to have your 'Union with the Divine

Within'

> is as shallow as your reply, i am not surprised that you are not

> having results, but only yourself can rectify this. Until you go

> deeper, nothing will change. Ultimately, it is not about an

external

> exercise to achieve results. Ultimately, the spiritual journey

> within, is about 'getting real with yourself' and asking yourself

> the hard questions and finding the answers within yourself. That

> means deep introspection and contemplation on the subject. Okay?!

i

> mean this kindly, Don. (smile)

> >

> > kind regards,

> >

> > violet

> >

>