Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Hi Jagbir, I understand that we have to meditate by " Being silent on the self " . Nevertheless, it is said that to be silent on the self, we have to go within. How do we go within? I go within by becoming thoughtless, and try to maintain that state of thoughtlessness throughout my meditation. Did I not do it correctly? Because I have been meditating for quite some time but I feel that I have not yet attain the thoughtless awareness state permanently. And I am aware that I did not merge with the Shakti within too. I know patience and time are needed but I have been patiently meditating for 2 years more and yet I feel that things remained the same. There is not much progress. Please advice. Regards, Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Hi Don, 2 years is way too little. i doubt you learnt much by Grade Two. By 'going within' means you do not relate to any external stimuli while meditating. You must seek/merge/understand/confirm of a Higher Power/Shakti/Holy Spirit within you. The ONLY way is through Silence and humility, a complete obliteration of your own ego. It is this Silence that will teach and guide you to become your own master. But a permanent thoughtless state is next to impossible. So take it easy, smell the roses, enjoy the sunset ..... and drink a cafe latte while watching a movie. You must enjoy your spiritual evolution, and not be agitated by endless catches and spend a lifetime footsoaking or shoebeating or whatever like the majority of SYs. Let the Higher Power within, instead of external rituals with chillies and lemons, take care of your problems. i am again advising you not to be sucked in by the SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) because you will still be languishing in Grade Two years from today, maybe Grade Three. The SYSSR is a false religion invented by WCASY/SY management to replace Her Divine Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. regards, jagbir , " don19831114 " <hylee42 wrote: > > Hi Jagbir, > > I understand that we have to meditate by " Being silent on the self " . Nevertheless, it is said that to be silent on the self, we have to go within. How do we go within? I go within by becoming thoughtless, and try to maintain that state of thoughtlessness throughout my meditation. Did I not do it correctly? Because I have been meditating for quite some time but I feel that I have not yet attain the thoughtless awareness state permanently. And I am aware that I did not merge with the Shakti within too. I know patience and time are needed but I have been patiently meditating for 2 years more and yet I feel that things remained the same. There is not much progress. > > Please advice. > > > Regards, > > Don > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: > > Hi Don, > > 2 years is way too little. i doubt you learnt much by Grade Two. > > By 'going within' means you do not relate to any external stimuli > while meditating. You must seek/merge/understand/confirm of a Higher > Power/Shakti/Holy Spirit within you. The ONLY way is through Silence > and humility, a complete obliteration of your own ego. It is this > Silence that will teach and guide you to become your own master. > > But a permanent thoughtless state is next to impossible. So take it > easy, smell the roses, enjoy the sunset ..... and drink a cafe latte > while watching a movie. You must enjoy your spiritual evolution, and > not be agitated by endless catches and spend a lifetime footsoaking > or shoebeating or whatever like the majority of SYs. Let the Higher > Power within, instead of external rituals with chillies and lemons, > take care of your problems. i am again advising you not to be sucked > in by the SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) because you > will still be languishing in Grade Two years from today, maybe Grade > Three. The SYSSR is a false religion invented by WCASY/SY management > to replace Her Divine Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. > > regards, > > jagbir > > > , " don19831114 " > <hylee42@> wrote: > > > > Hi Jagbir, > > > > I understand that we have to meditate by " Being silent on the > self " . Nevertheless, it is said that to be silent on the self, we > have to go within. How do we go within? I go within by becoming > thoughtless, and try to maintain that state of thoughtlessness > throughout my meditation. Did I not do it correctly? Because I have > been meditating for quite some time but I feel that I have not yet > attain the thoughtless awareness state permanently. And I am aware > that I did not merge with the Shakti within too. I know patience and > time are needed but I have been patiently meditating for 2 years > more and yet I feel that things remained the same. There is not much > progress. > > > > Please advice. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Don > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Hi Jagbir, I agree with you. But when should we stop doing all these and start to meditate and let our kundalini cleanse us?. I also feel that there has to come a time when all rituals like footsoaking, candle treatments, shoebeating and etc should stop. Nevertheless, in SY classes, all they would ever teach is the Subtle System and the ritualistic treatments. It takes 3 months for the classes to finish. And after that, the Sahaja Yogis are on their own. Next, they would start new classes with new comers. I do not know how do other Sahaja Yoga Centers run their classes on other parts of the world but I am curious to know if they are the same like what I had been through. I felt that Sahaja Yogis would actually learnt more from reading the articles at the websites because there are still a lot of things to learn and achieve. Regards, Don , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: > > Hi Don, > > 2 years is way too little. i doubt you learnt much by Grade Two. > > By 'going within' means you do not relate to any external stimuli > while meditating. You must seek/merge/understand/confirm of a Higher > Power/Shakti/Holy Spirit within you. The ONLY way is through Silence > and humility, a complete obliteration of your own ego. It is this > Silence that will teach and guide you to become your own master. > > But a permanent thoughtless state is next to impossible. So take it > easy, smell the roses, enjoy the sunset ..... and drink a cafe latte > while watching a movie. You must enjoy your spiritual evolution, and > not be agitated by endless catches and spend a lifetime footsoaking > or shoebeating or whatever like the majority of SYs. Let the Higher > Power within, instead of external rituals with chillies and lemons, > take care of your problems. i am again advising you not to be sucked > in by the SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) because you > will still be languishing in Grade Two years from today, maybe Grade > Three. The SYSSR is a false religion invented by WCASY/SY management > to replace Her Divine Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. > > regards, > > jagbir > > > , " don19831114 " > <hylee42@> wrote: > > > > Hi Jagbir, > > > > I understand that we have to meditate by " Being silent on the > self " . Nevertheless, it is said that to be silent on the self, we > have to go within. How do we go within? I go within by becoming > thoughtless, and try to maintain that state of thoughtlessness > throughout my meditation. Did I not do it correctly? Because I have > been meditating for quite some time but I feel that I have not yet > attain the thoughtless awareness state permanently. And I am aware > that I did not merge with the Shakti within too. I know patience and > time are needed but I have been patiently meditating for 2 years > more and yet I feel that things remained the same. There is not much > progress. > > > > Please advice. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Don > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 , " don19831114 " <hylee42 wrote: > > Hi Jagbir, > > I understand that we have to meditate by " Being silent on the self " . > Nevertheless, it is said that to be silent on the self, we have to > go within. How do we go within? I go within by becoming thoughtless, > and try to maintain that state of thoughtlessness throughout my > meditation. Did I not do it correctly? Because I have been > meditating for quite some time but I feel that I have not yet attain > the thoughtless awareness state permanently. And I am aware that I > did not merge with the Shakti within too. I know patience and time > are needed but I have been patiently meditating for 2 years more and > yet I feel that things remained the same. There is not much progress. > > Please advice. > > > Regards, > > Don HOW DO I GO WITHIN? 1. Introspection and a deep desire to find the absolute truth are needed: " Only thing is that you have to introspect and go within and deep down, and find out what is the absolute truth! (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Shri Buddha Puja Synopsis - Shuddy Camps, England - 31 May, 1992) 2. It cannot be found outside one's being: " Within us lies the peace, the beauty, the glory of our being. There's an ocean of all that. We cannot seek it outside. We have to go within what they call 'the meditative state'. You seek it and you enjoy it. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - V.5.28.Jul 82. p39) 3. One needs to deny things that go against its movement: " So to approach it you have to go within yourself, by denying things which are against it, against your movement. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - v. 5.28.Jul 82. p39) 4. One needs to meditate more to reach their inner being: " Try to meditate. Meditate more so that you reach that inner being. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - V.5.28.Jul 82. p39) 5. " Every moment remember, that your movement has to be inward. When you move inward, you forget the ideas of your outer glories. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - v. 5.28.Jul 82. p39) HOW DO I KNOW IF I AM DOING IT CORRECTLY? When you discover that: " Within us lies the peace, the beauty, the glory of our being. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - V.5.28.Jul 82. p39) The only way to do it correctly is to: " Meditate more so that you reach that inner being. And this inner being is the vast ocean of bliss that exists in every one of us. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - V.5.28.Jul 82. p39) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 , " Violet " <violet.tubb wrote: > > , > " don19831114 " <hylee42@> wrote: > > > > Hi Jagbir, > > > > I understand that we have to meditate by " Being silent on the > self " . > > Nevertheless, it is said that to be silent on the self, we have to > > go within. How do we go within? I go within by becoming > thoughtless, > > and try to maintain that state of thoughtlessness throughout my > > meditation. Did I not do it correctly? Because I have been > > meditating for quite some time but I feel that I have not yet > attain > > the thoughtless awareness state permanently. And I am aware that I > > did not merge with the Shakti within too. I know patience and time > > are needed but I have been patiently meditating for 2 years more > and > > yet I feel that things remained the same. There is not much > progress. > > > > Please advice. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Don > > > > HOW DO I GO WITHIN? > > 1. Introspection and a deep desire to find the absolute truth are needed: > > " Only thing is that you have to introspect and go within and deep down, and find out what is the absolute truth! (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Shri Buddha Puja Synopsis - Shuddy Camps, England - 31 May, 1992) > > > 2. It cannot be found outside one's being: > > " Within us lies the peace, the beauty, the glory of our being. There's an ocean of all that. We cannot seek it outside. We have to go within what they call 'the meditative state'. You seek it and you enjoy it. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - V.5.28.Jul 82. p39) > > > 3. One needs to deny things that go against its movement: > > " So to approach it you have to go within yourself, by denying things which are against it, against your movement. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - v. 5.28.Jul 82. p39) > > > 4. One needs to meditate more to reach their inner being: > > " Try to meditate. Meditate more so that you reach that inner being. " > (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - V.5.28.Jul 82. p39) > > > 5. " Every moment remember, that your movement has to be inward. When you move inward, you forget the ideas of your outer glories. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - v. 5.28.Jul 82. p39) > > > > HOW DO I KNOW IF I AM DOING IT CORRECTLY? > > When you discover that: > > " Within us lies the peace, the beauty, the glory of our being. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - V.5.28.Jul 82. p39) > > The only way to do it correctly is to: > > " Meditate more so that you reach that inner being. And this inner being is the vast ocean of bliss that exists in every one of us. " > (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - V.5.28.Jul 82. p39) > CLEANSING, THROUGH INTROSPECTION " Cleansing is very important through introspection. But doesn't mean thinking, never means thinking, but introspection means meditation and that you all should meditate. (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Adi Shakti Puja - Cabella, Italy - 25 May, 1997) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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