Corruption, which is negativity, will be exposed everywhere!

November 23, 2007

Dear All,

Corruption which is negativity, will be exposed everywhere, even in the Sahaja

Yoga Organisation. The symptoms of the corruption in the SY organisation is

coming out in the play of words between Simon D M (talk) and Sfacets (John

Noyce). (Remember how Shri Mataji used to say that things work out 'like a

play'?) Meanwhile, the majority of sahaja yogis likely remain oblivious to what

is really happening at Wikipedia, or alternatively, think that the 'Emporer

WCASY' is wearing clothes, because the Emporer and his cohorts, have told them

so! One must always believe the Emporer, regardless. But we know he is not

wearing any clothes, and is actually naked. LOL!

So in this 'play' Simon D M (talk) who is actually a foe of the Adi Shakti, is

nevertheless stating the truth that " Sahaja Yoga " and " Meditation " cannot be

separated! However, Sfacets is trying every trick he can think of, to separate

" Meditation " from " Sahaja Yoga " , even though we all know very well that they

have always gone together, like a horse and a carriage, and that without Sahaja

Yoga [union with the Divine], there is no meditation, whereas other groups can

have meditation apparently, without Sahaja Yoga.

But this 'conquer and divide' routine, has millennially been the way of

religious emperors, who are stark naked, yet expect others to believe by blind

faith, that they are fully dressed! The big question is, will WCASY Cohort

Sfacets, really pull the same stunt off at Wikipedia, as he has done in the

organisation of Sahaja Yoga, with the full backing of 'Emperor WCASY'? Or will

Wikipedia require source backup from what Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has actually

taught, and not what 'Emperor WCASY' and 'WCASY Cohort Sfacets' would like

Wikipedia to think that Shri Mataji has taught!

Just for the record, these are the tactics that Sfacets uses, according to Simon

DM (talk), who states:

" [You] repeat your POV, introduce red herrings, set up straw men, but never,

never, actually provide one single source that backs up your POV. And so it goes

on and on while you and your co-religionists go full steam ahead into

reorganising the page, replacing neutral wording and removing sourced

content.--Simon D M (talk) 19:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC) "

Simon has clearly pinpointed Sfacet's 'method in his madness', but the mad

Emperor WCASY, stil condones this method of madness in Cohort Sfacets at

Wikipedia! Incidentally, this is the same 'method of madness' used by Emperor

and 'clone' (as Sfacets once referred to himself), to con-vince sahaja yogis to

" just " give self-realisation, when it is very clear to any contemplative sahaja

yogi, to any " real " sahaja yogi, that She said to do much more than " just " give

self-realisation! How can Sahaja Yogis take a sahaja yogi seriously who refers

to himself as a clone?:

/message/7523

Yet, it can be clearly read at Wikipedia, that Sfacets and company are

manoeuvering hard to continue their dis-integration of Shri Mataji Nirmala

Devi's Divine Message, which they have already done in the Organisation of

Sahaja Yoga, but they also want the world-at-large, through Wikipedia to witness

it also, by diminishing Her Message, by making Sahaja Yoga Meditation become the

'be-all' and 'end-all', with the organisation being divided from that. Yes,

WCASY want to put themselves up there in their own Special Group for others to

look up to i guess, while SY Meditation gets put up as the 'Main Thing' that is

actually over and above Sahaja Yoga itself, while Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

becomes just a spiritual scientist, while Her Divine Message is not being

explained, but is edited out. If that is not spiritual corruption, folks.....!!!

Sahaja Yoga is about integration, not dis-integration. Sahaja Yoga Meditation is

a part and parcel of Sahaja Yoga - not that Sahaja Yoga is a part and parcel of

Meditation. Without the connection of Sahaja Yoga, which means Union with the

Divine, according to Shri Mataji, real meditation is not possible. That is why

" Sahaja Yoga " and not " Sahaja Yoga Meditation " has to be the 'Main Article'.

Sfacets is without mercy, recklessly splitting up Sahaja Yoga. Collectively, he

and fellow cohorts and WCASY are effectively stripping " Sahaja Yoga " of its

spiritual and eschatological assets, thereby making it mainly only " Sahaja Yoga

Meditation " . They are also separating the Organisation of Sahaja Yoga from

Sahaja Yoga, which is a strange thing to do. It would be like Christian

Denominations splitting themselves off from Christianity. All should be on the

same location, seeing Sahaja Yoga is all about integration. The site of

http://www.adishakti.org/ shows how this integration can be done.

By splitting everything up, the strong thrust of Her Message that She has given

for the last 30 years or more, is lost. The Organisation of Sahaja Yoga can

never recover from these disintegrating forces in the organisation, because it

is against the Devi, and Her integrating principle/force that is within each of

us. It is the ultimate corruption in this Kali Yuga, to corrupt what is the

Saving Grace for humanity! As sahaja yogis know, She had us burn all the

negativity of these corruptions in the fire, known as 'havan'. Negativity

preventing Her Message from going out, was burned in the havan. Negativity

preventing Sahaja Yogis from giving Her Message, was also burned in the havan.

Negativity preventing people from not understanding Her Message, was burned in

the havan. Every possible negativity or obstruction, preventing the Satya Yuga

from coming in, was burned in the havan!

Still Her gutless, cowardly, and hypocritical leaders still cannot cope with

what Sahaja Yoga is, in its fulness. Shri Mataji says to them (and all of us):

" And they should know that Sahaja Yoga is only Spirit-oriented, nothing but

Spirit-oriented! That you have to have your spirit enlightened, that your spirit

has to work everything, that you are not this body, this money, this position,

this power, nothing! But you are the spirit! This is what one has to know. "

(Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Athena Puja - Athens, Greece - 26 April, 1993)

So WCASY members are not anything but the Spirit, and they have to be

Spirit-oriented. They are not the position. They are not the meditation. They

are not the money. They are the Spirit, and nothing but the Spirit, and Sahaja

Yoga is nothing but " Spirit-Oriented " . So is that why Sfacets is trying so hard

to divest everything from the Main Article that should be " Sahaja Yoga " , because

Meditation is about Practices, and because Organization is about Organization,

but Sahaja Yoga is nothing but Spirit-oriented?! And what can they gain

materially, politically, organisationally, from something that is just Spirit

Oriented?!

regards to all,

violet

November 27, 2007

[sorry folks, i forgot to give the URL for the Wikipedia, so here it

is - violet]:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sahaja_Yoga#Beliefs_Section.2FMerge_with_Sahaj\

a_Yoga_meditation

,

" Violet " <violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> Corruption which is negativity, will be exposed everywhere, even

in the Sahaja Yoga Organisation. The symptoms of the corruption in

the SY organisation is coming out in the play of words between Simon

D M (talk) and Sfacets (John Noyce). (Remember how Shri Mataji used

to say that things work out 'like a play'?) Meanwhile, the majority

of sahaja yogis likely remain oblivious to what is really happening

at Wikipedia, or alternatively, think that the 'Emporer WCASY' is

wearing clothes, because the Emporer and his cohorts, have told them

so! One must always believe the Emporer, regardless. But we know he

is not wearing any clothes, and is actually naked. LOL!

>

> So in this 'play' Simon D M (talk) who is actually a foe of the

Adi Shakti, is nevertheless stating the truth that " Sahaja Yoga " and

" Meditation " cannot be separated! However, Sfacets is trying every

trick he can think of, to separate " Meditation " from " Sahaja Yoga " ,

even though we all know very well that they have always gone

together, like a horse and a carriage, and that without Sahaja Yoga

[union with the Divine], there is no meditation, whereas other

groups can have meditation apparently, without Sahaja Yoga.

>

> But this 'conquer and divide' routine, has millennially been the

way of religious emperors, who are stark naked, yet expect others to

believe by blind faith, that they are fully dressed! The big

question is, will WCASY Cohort Sfacets, really pull the same stunt

off at Wikipedia, as he has done in the organisation of Sahaja Yoga,

with the full backing of 'Emperor WCASY'? Or will Wikipedia require

source backup from what Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has actually

taught, and not what 'Emperor WCASY' and 'WCASY Cohort Sfacets'

would like Wikipedia to think that Shri Mataji has taught!

>

> Just for the record, these are the tactics that Sfacets uses,

according to Simon DM (talk), who states:

>

> " [You] repeat your POV, introduce red herrings, set up straw men,

but never, never, actually provide one single source that backs up

your POV. And so it goes on and on while you and your co-

religionists go full steam ahead into reorganising the page,

replacing neutral wording and removing sourced content.--Simon D M

(talk) 19:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC) "

>

> Simon has clearly pinpointed Sfacet's 'method in his madness', but

the mad Emperor WCASY, stil condones this method of madness in

Cohort Sfacets at Wikipedia! Incidentally, this is the same 'method

of madness' used by Emperor and 'clone' (as Sfacets once referred to

himself), to con-vince sahaja yogis to " just " give self-realisation,

when it is very clear to any contemplative sahaja yogi, to any

" real " sahaja yogi, that She said to do much more than " just " give

self-realisation! How can Sahaja Yogis take a sahaja yogi seriously

who refers to himself as a clone?:

>

> /message/7523

>

> Yet, it can be clearly read at Wikipedia, that Sfacets and company

are manoeuvering hard to continue their dis-integration of Shri

Mataji Nirmala Devi's Divine Message, which they have already done

in the Organisation of Sahaja Yoga, but they also want the world-at-

large, through Wikipedia to witness it also, by diminishing Her

Message, by making Sahaja Yoga Meditation become the 'be-all' and

'end-all', with the organisation being divided from that. Yes, WCASY

want to put themselves up there in their own Special Group for

others to look up to i guess, while SY Meditation gets put up as the

'Main Thing' that is actually over and above Sahaja Yoga itself,

while Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi becomes just a spiritual scientist,

while Her Divine Message is not being explained, but is edited out.

If that is not spiritual corruption, folks.....!!!

>

> Sahaja Yoga is about integration, not dis-integration. Sahaja Yoga

Meditation is a part and parcel of Sahaja Yoga - not that Sahaja

Yoga is a part and parcel of Meditation. Without the connection of

Sahaja Yoga, which means Union with the Divine, according to Shri

Mataji, real meditation is not possible. That is why " Sahaja Yoga "

and not " Sahaja Yoga Meditation " has to be the 'Main Article'.

Sfacets is without mercy, recklessly splitting up Sahaja Yoga.

Collectively, he and fellow cohorts and WCASY are effectively

stripping " Sahaja Yoga " of its spiritual and eschatological assets,

thereby making it mainly only " Sahaja Yoga Meditation " . They are

also separating the Organisation of Sahaja Yoga from Sahaja Yoga,

which is a strange thing to do. It would be like Christian

Denominations splitting themselves off from Christianity. All should

be on the same location, seeing Sahaja Yoga is all about

integration. The site of http://www.adishakti.org/ shows how this

integration can be done.

>

> By splitting everything up, the strong thrust of Her Message that

She has given for the last 30 years or more, is lost. The

Organisation of Sahaja Yoga can never recover from these

disintegrating forces in the organisation, because it is against the

Devi, and Her integrating principle/force that is within each of us.

It is the ultimate corruption in this Kali Yuga, to corrupt what is

the Saving Grace for humanity! As sahaja yogis know, She had us burn

all the negativity of these corruptions in the fire, known as

'havan'. Negativity preventing Her Message from going out, was

burned in the havan. Negativity preventing Sahaja Yogis from giving

Her Message, was also burned in the havan. Negativity preventing

people from not understanding Her Message, was burned in the havan.

Every possible negativity or obstruction, preventing the Satya Yuga

from coming in, was burned in the havan!

>

> Still Her gutless, cowardly, and hypocritical leaders still cannot

cope with what Sahaja Yoga is, in its fulness. Shri Mataji says to

them (and all of us):

>

> " And they should know that Sahaja Yoga is only Spirit-oriented,

nothing but Spirit-oriented! That you have to have your spirit

enlightened, that your spirit has to work everything, that you are

not this body, this money, this position, this power, nothing! But

you are the spirit! This is what one has to know. " (Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi - Athena Puja - Athens, Greece - 26 April, 1993)

>

> So WCASY members are not anything but the Spirit, and they have to

be Spirit-oriented. They are not the position. They are not the

meditation. They are not the money. They are the Spirit, and nothing

but the Spirit, and Sahaja Yoga is nothing but " Spirit-Oriented " . So

is that why Sfacets is trying so hard to divest everything from the

Main Article that should be " Sahaja Yoga " , because Meditation is

about Practices, and because Organization is about Organization, but

Sahaja Yoga is nothing but Spirit-oriented?! And what can they gain

materially, politically, organisationally, from something that is

just Spirit Oriented?!

>

> regards to all,

>

> violet

>

November 27, 2007

Dear All,

i received this email from John Noyce:

Violet,

sfacets is the wikipedia username of a Sydney-based

yogi. NOT me!

I have neither time nor inclination for those

extensive exchanges he has with SDM.

My time is spent researching and writing books, the

third of which has recently appeared on the Sapiential

tradition in Europe.

When I do venture onto Wikipedia it is as sahajhist,

and my comments are occasional and always concise.

regards

John

Release 26/11/2007 10:50 AM

,

" Violet " <violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> Corruption which is negativity, will be exposed everywhere, even in

the Sahaja Yoga Organisation. The symptoms of the corruption in the

SY organisation is coming out in the play of words between Simon D M

(talk) and Sfacets (John Noyce). (Remember how Shri Mataji used to

say that things work out 'like a play'?) Meanwhile, the majority of

sahaja yogis likely remain oblivious to what is really happening at

Wikipedia, or alternatively, think that the 'Emporer WCASY' is

wearing clothes, because the Emporer and his cohorts, have told them

so! One must always believe the Emporer, regardless. But we know he

is not wearing any clothes, and is actually naked. LOL!

>

> So in this 'play' Simon D M (talk) who is actually a foe of the Adi

Shakti, is nevertheless stating the truth that " Sahaja Yoga " and

" Meditation " cannot be separated! However, Sfacets is trying every

trick he can think of, to separate " Meditation " from " Sahaja Yoga " ,

even though we all know very well that they have always gone

together, like a horse and a carriage, and that without Sahaja Yoga

[union with the Divine], there is no meditation, whereas other groups

can have meditation apparently, without Sahaja Yoga.

>

> But this 'conquer and divide' routine, has millennially been the

way of religious emperors, who are stark naked, yet expect others to

believe by blind faith, that they are fully dressed! The big question

is, will WCASY Cohort Sfacets, really pull the same stunt off at

Wikipedia, as he has done in the organisation of Sahaja Yoga, with

the full backing of 'Emperor WCASY'? Or will Wikipedia require source

backup from what Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has actually taught, and

not what 'Emperor WCASY' and 'WCASY Cohort Sfacets' would like

Wikipedia to think that Shri Mataji has taught!

>

> Just for the record, these are the tactics that Sfacets uses,

according to Simon DM (talk), who states:

>

> " [You] repeat your POV, introduce red herrings, set up straw men,

but never, never, actually provide one single source that backs up

your POV. And so it goes on and on while you and your co-religionists

go full steam ahead into reorganising the page, replacing neutral

wording and removing sourced content.--Simon D M (talk) 19:22, 25

November 2007 (UTC) "

>

> Simon has clearly pinpointed Sfacet's 'method in his madness', but

the mad Emperor WCASY, stil condones this method of madness in Cohort

Sfacets at Wikipedia! Incidentally, this is the same 'method of

madness' used by Emperor and 'clone' (as Sfacets once referred to

himself), to con-vince sahaja yogis to " just " give self-realisation,

when it is very clear to any contemplative sahaja yogi, to any " real "

sahaja yogi, that She said to do much more than " just " give self-

realisation! How can Sahaja Yogis take a sahaja yogi seriously who

refers to himself as a clone?:

>

> /message/7523

>

> Yet, it can be clearly read at Wikipedia, that Sfacets and company

are manoeuvering hard to continue their dis-integration of Shri

Mataji Nirmala Devi's Divine Message, which they have already done in

the Organisation of Sahaja Yoga, but they also want the world-at-

large, through Wikipedia to witness it also, by diminishing Her

Message, by making Sahaja Yoga Meditation become the 'be-all' and

'end-all', with the organisation being divided from that. Yes, WCASY

want to put themselves up there in their own Special Group for others

to look up to i guess, while SY Meditation gets put up as the 'Main

Thing' that is actually over and above Sahaja Yoga itself, while Shri

Mataji Nirmala Devi becomes just a spiritual scientist, while Her

Divine Message is not being explained, but is edited out. If that is

not spiritual corruption, folks.....!!!

>

> Sahaja Yoga is about integration, not dis-integration. Sahaja Yoga

Meditation is a part and parcel of Sahaja Yoga - not that Sahaja Yoga

is a part and parcel of Meditation. Without the connection of Sahaja

Yoga, which means Union with the Divine, according to Shri Mataji,

real meditation is not possible. That is why " Sahaja Yoga " and not

" Sahaja Yoga Meditation " has to be the 'Main Article'. Sfacets is

without mercy, recklessly splitting up Sahaja Yoga. Collectively, he

and fellow cohorts and WCASY are effectively stripping " Sahaja Yoga "

of its spiritual and eschatological assets, thereby making it mainly

only " Sahaja Yoga Meditation " . They are also separating the

Organisation of Sahaja Yoga from Sahaja Yoga, which is a strange

thing to do. It would be like Christian Denominations splitting

themselves off from Christianity. All should be on the same location,

seeing Sahaja Yoga is all about integration. The site of http://

www.adishakti.org/ shows how this integration can be done.

>

> By splitting everything up, the strong thrust of Her Message that

She has given for the last 30 years or more, is lost. The

Organisation of Sahaja Yoga can never recover from these

disintegrating forces in the organisation, because it is against the

Devi, and Her integrating principle/force that is within each of us.

It is the ultimate corruption in this Kali Yuga, to corrupt what is

the Saving Grace for humanity! As sahaja yogis know, She had us burn

all the negativity of these corruptions in the fire, known as

'havan'. Negativity preventing Her Message from going out, was burned

in the havan. Negativity preventing Sahaja Yogis from giving Her

Message, was also burned in the havan. Negativity preventing people

from not understanding Her Message, was burned in the havan. Every

possible negativity or obstruction, preventing the Satya Yuga from

coming in, was burned in the havan!