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Dear All,

 

Appended below is yet another sad, sad story that is typical of SY

collectives that i can relate to. i have repeated a number of times

that had it not been for my children i would have left Sahaja Yoga

very quickly. In fact i would never have joined in the first place.

It is the abuse and ignorance that is most shocking. My children and

myself have many horror stories that we will never forget for the

rest of our lives. We are so happy to have left and continued on our

own. And only after leaving was i able to rid myself of all the

conditioning rituals that are the sacred cows of the SYSSR.

 

The official SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) is hardly any

different from other chakra and kundalini based schools. Few stay to

find out what it is really about. Of the few who stay most eventually

leave, even after a decade or two. This common trend has been well-

known in SY circles, irreversible despite all the massive effort of

tens of thousands of SYs over the decades. Thus, after Shri Mataji`s

Mahasamadhi there is absolutely no hope for the SY organization.

 

The overriding cause for the whole abysmal failure = honesty.

Without question the official editing out of Shri Mataji`s Divine

Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection is largely responsible

for the lack of faith, a severe deficiency that rids seekers even

after years inside the SY organization (story below). And without the

evidence given at http://www.adishakti.org/ and affiliated websites

there is also no hope of seekers believing in Her Divine Message.

 

The secondary reason for the failure is the official claim that Shri

Mataji is God and compulsory meditation on Her photograph. Shri

Mataji has NEVER claimed Herself to be God but Adi Shakti (and that

also as an incarnation). And when you have no evidence, other than

cool breeze and `miracle photos', to back that flawed " God " claim

others see Sahaja Yoga as a cult, and rightfully so. And with Sir

C.P. making Shri Mataji's medical file public, an irresponsible act

that clearly violates human dignity, that claim is now an acute

embarrassment and permanent yoke on the organization. (Did Sir C.P.

ever introspect the dire consequences of his intentions and the

damage it will inflict on Shri Mataji's reputation and legacy,

especially since She had explicitly barred anyone from medicating

Her?)

 

Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in general.

As mentioned before i have many horror stories to tell about my short

7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would not wish on anyone.

And if you add the fanaticism, absurd fears, daily rituals, ceaseless

catches, avidya and what not, Self-realization is difficult and

superficial at best. That SYs need Shri Mataji's photograph for

meditation rests my case, an unforgivable sin for fools like Alan

Wherry, Ed Saugstad, John Noyce, to name a few of the crème de la

crème of `senior SYs' in charge of spreading Sahaja Yoga.

 

i keep saying that the SY camel will have to eventually drink the

water of truth, or else waste away and die. So it does not matter how

many SYs get angry that we are publicly criticizing WCASY, Sir C.P

and the SY organization in general. Better that bitter medicine now

than a dead camel soon.

 

regards to all,

 

jagbir

 

 

 

 

 

Blase

Sun Dec 2, 2007 5:48 pm

 

 

Dear Jlioew

 

I asked you the question about your age and time in SY to determine

if you were some innocent young person. I was a SY for over 13 years

and I am in my fifties. You speak to everyone in here as if we have

not been SY - why is this?

 

Meditation works as it gives the mind & body a rest. I practised

another perfectly harmless technique for 20 years before I came to SY

where I was told that it was the most evil technique one could

possibly practice; that the person who started it was a rakshasa etc.

This technique involves reciting a very simple mantra; mine sounds

much like " eema " . I had experienced bliss and pure consciousness for

many years and was very happy but I did not regard myself

as " enlightened " .

 

I only went along to the first SY program to keep a friend company

and I was lured in by the notion that I was going to become

enlightened. I became hypnotised by the photos of SM and fell in love

with what I thought was her but was in reality only her photo; and a

photo of a very young person. Many of us would be regarded as

captivating with divine like qualities from photos of us in our youth

when we had good looks, intelligence and wonderful health etc.

 

The happiness came from the fact that my mind and body were getting

deep rest as I was still meditating in some way; that I was actually

in love with SM's photo who I mistakenly thought was God on earth,

and I enjoyed the friendship and company of others who were

meditating and " in Love " with SM's photo; as well as the enjoyment of

singing and listening to beautiful music as well as sharing a belief

system that appeared to be so wonderful.

 

On the flip side, I felt guilty if I was late for the programmes

which I usually was as I had too many other people in my life to care

for, and I had ridiculous fights with people that were either leaders

or other yogis; people I would not ever have become friends with

outside SY. The fights were so illogical and irrational and

ridiculous that it makes me sad and makes me laugh. I remember saying

to one of these people; " my friends outside would never treat me like

this or speak to me like this! " I would not have tolerated being

emotionally abused and used by anyone else outside of SY but I HAD TO

PUT UP WITH IT INSIDE SY! The people who do the using and the abusing

are held up as being wonderful SYs!

 

I could not seee the benefits in people's lives; I became very poor

over the time in SY and very fat and finally I started going in to a

trance when doing affirmations with my eyes open when looking at SM

photo. I was once in a trance for five hours and could not do my

work. The yogi in our area that was regarded as the best SY was in

fact known within the community as a scatterbrained person who used

everybody for money etc. We had new people coming to our group and

pointing out exactly the latter. Our little group disintergrated and

we all feel much better for it.

 

I left in June 2007 after finding this site by accident and I don't

have to put up with these people using and abusing me and I can

meditate whenever I like, however I like and enjoy the benefits and I

don't have to worship anyone. I still enjoy the company of those who

left at the same time as me and we just laugh and wonder how we could

have been so stupid to have been lured into what is in fact a

ridiculous cult worshipping a silly old lady as God!!!

 

Love Blase

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> Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in

> general. As mentioned before i have many horror stories to tell

> about my short 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would not

> wish on anyone.

>

 

i had a number of horrible experiences with senior SYs. One of the

worst was when this Montreal senior SY exclaimed loudly after a group

meditation that i tape the mouth of my few-months-old daughter Lalita

as she was crying (perhaps because she was hungry or needed a diaper

change). i was compelled to angrily confront his unwarranted but

abundant outpouring of Sahaj Love. (He had earlier requested during a

national pre-puja meeting that a havan be made of all my religious/

spiritual books, in my presence. The reason: they were written by

so-called false gurus. i was publicly humiliated and made to look

like a possessed neophyte in the company of great souls, and had to

be cleansed of negativity with their Sahaj Love. i told them under no

circumstance will they touch my books, no matter who wrote them.)

 

i have more Sahaj Love stories but will share them over time in small

doses. An overdose of Sahaj Love in a single post can be fatal,

especially if received from leaders or senior SYs! As Blase correctly

observed “The people who do the using and the abusing are held up as

being wonderful SYs!” Yes, world leader Yogi Mahajan was a demi-god

in Sahaja Yoga who for months mentally and verbally abused my

children through his pawn and principal of the International Sahaja

Public School, Mrs. Chitnavis. Reason for the sustained abuse: to

force a possessed Kash (evil spirits were causing him to meet the

Golden Goddess in his Sahasrara) to leave the school voluntarily.

 

And when that failed Yogi Mahajan and Mrs. Chitnavis devised a most

deceitful and damaging propaganda campaign. Only those with satanic

minds can devise such plans to delibrately assassinate and destroy the

good name and character of innocent children. This diabolical duo

were held in high esteem in the Sahaja Yoga organization by the rank

and file! North American leaders and SYs were delighted by Yogi

Mahajan’s reasons and success in expelling Kash from ISPS, India.

 

i must stop here as too much Sahaj Love can be fatal.

 

 

-----------------------------

 

Dear All,

 

Appended below is yet another sad, sad story that is typical of SY

collectives that i can relate to. i have repeated a number of times

that had it not been for my children i would have left Sahaja Yoga

very quickly. In fact i would never have joined in the first place.

It is the abuse and ignorance that is most shocking. My children and

myself have many horror stories that we will never forget for the

rest of our lives. We are so happy to have left and continued on our

own. And only after leaving was i able to rid myself of all the

conditioning rituals that are the sacred cows of the SYSSR.

 

The official SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) is hardly any

different from other chakra and kundalini based schools. Few stay to

find out what it is really about. Of the few who stay most eventually

leave, even after a decade or two. This common trend has been well-

known in SY circles, irreversible despite all the massive effort of

tens of thousands of SYs over the decades. Thus, after Shri Mataji`s

Mahasamadhi there is absolutely no hope for the SY organization.

 

The overriding cause for the whole abysmal failure = honesty.

Without question the official editing out of Shri Mataji`s Divine

Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection is largely responsible

for the lack of faith, a severe deficiency that rids seekers even

after years inside the SY organization (story below). And without the

evidence given at http://www.adishakti.org/ and affiliated websites

there is also no hope of seekers believing in Her Divine Message.

 

The secondary reason for the failure is the official claim that Shri

Mataji is God and compulsory meditation on Her photograph. Shri

Mataji has NEVER claimed Herself to be God but Adi Shakti (and that

also as an incarnation). And when you have no evidence, other than

cool breeze and `miracle photos', to back that flawed " God " claim

others see Sahaja Yoga as a cult, and rightfully so. And with Sir

C.P. making Shri Mataji's medical file public, an irresponsible act

that clearly violates human dignity, that claim is now an acute

embarrassment and permanent yoke on the organization. (Did Sir C.P.

ever introspect the dire consequences of his intentions and the

damage it will inflict on Shri Mataji's reputation and legacy,

especially since She had explicitly barred anyone from medicating

Her?)

 

Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in general.

As mentioned before i have many horror stories to tell about my short

7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would not wish on anyone.

And if you add the fanaticism, absurd fears, daily rituals, ceaseless

catches, avidya and what not, Self-realization is difficult and

superficial at best. That SYs need Shri Mataji's photograph for

meditation rests my case, an unforgivable sin for fools like Alan

Wherry, Ed Saugstad, John Noyce, to name a few of the crème de la

crème of `senior SYs' in charge of spreading Sahaja Yoga.

 

i keep saying that the SY camel will have to eventually drink the

water of truth, or else waste away and die. So it does not matter how

many SYs get angry that we are publicly criticizing WCASY, Sir C.P

and the SY organization in general. Better that bitter medicine now

than a dead camel soon.

 

regards to all,

 

jagbir

 

 

 

 

 

Blase

Sun Dec 2, 2007 5:48 pm

 

 

Dear Jlioew

 

I asked you the question about your age and time in SY to determine

if you were some innocent young person. I was a SY for over 13 years

and I am in my fifties. You speak to everyone in here as if we have

not been SY - why is this?

 

Meditation works as it gives the mind & body a rest. I practised

another perfectly harmless technique for 20 years before I came to SY

where I was told that it was the most evil technique one could

possibly practice; that the person who started it was a rakshasa etc.

This technique involves reciting a very simple mantra; mine sounds

much like " eema " . I had experienced bliss and pure consciousness for

many years and was very happy but I did not regard myself

as " enlightened " .

 

I only went along to the first SY program to keep a friend company

and I was lured in by the notion that I was going to become

enlightened. I became hypnotised by the photos of SM and fell in love

with what I thought was her but was in reality only her photo; and a

photo of a very young person. Many of us would be regarded as

captivating with divine like qualities from photos of us in our youth

when we had good looks, intelligence and wonderful health etc.

 

The happiness came from the fact that my mind and body were getting

deep rest as I was still meditating in some way; that I was actually

in love with SM's photo who I mistakenly thought was God on earth,

and I enjoyed the friendship and company of others who were

meditating and " in Love " with SM's photo; as well as the enjoyment of

singing and listening to beautiful music as well as sharing a belief

system that appeared to be so wonderful.

 

On the flip side, I felt guilty if I was late for the programmes

which I usually was as I had too many other people in my life to care

for, and I had ridiculous fights with people that were either leaders

or other yogis; people I would not ever have become friends with

outside SY. The fights were so illogical and irrational and

ridiculous that it makes me sad and makes me laugh. I remember saying

to one of these people; " my friends outside would never treat me like

this or speak to me like this! " I would not have tolerated being

emotionally abused and used by anyone else outside of SY but I HAD TO

PUT UP WITH IT INSIDE SY! The people who do the using and the abusing

are held up as being wonderful SYs!

 

I could not seee the benefits in people's lives; I became very poor

over the time in SY and very fat and finally I started going in to a

trance when doing affirmations with my eyes open when looking at SM

photo. I was once in a trance for five hours and could not do my

work. The yogi in our area that was regarded as the best SY was in

fact known within the community as a scatterbrained person who used

everybody for money etc. We had new people coming to our group and

pointing out exactly the latter. Our little group disintergrated and

we all feel much better for it.

 

I left in June 2007 after finding this site by accident and I don't

have to put up with these people using and abusing me and I can

meditate whenever I like, however I like and enjoy the benefits and I

don't have to worship anyone. I still enjoy the company of those who

left at the same time as me and we just laugh and wonder how we could

have been so stupid to have been lured into what is in fact a

ridiculous cult worshipping a silly old lady as God!!!

 

Love Blase

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Dear Jagbir (and All),

 

i too was told i should not have certain books anymore, so i got rid of them,

some of which i regret today, in fact. Then, many years later, there was a heap

of books laid in the hallway at Hiawatha, Melbourne, which were for sale, and i

saw the type of books, that i thought were a previous 'No-No' in Sahaj. There

was one book there, which had an article on Tea Leaf Reading. i pointed out the

book to a senior SY, and questioned the presence of this book that they had for

sale. Surprisingly, he told me with glee: " Things have changed; you can read

whatever books you want now! " i wondered at this new trend. But this shows that

the leaders should not have gotten themselves into issuing directives in the

first place, if they did not understand the consequences of them. (Take Sir

C.P.'s present directives, these days, for instance!) The only way in the

future, for spiritual liberation is to actually ignore his directives.

 

Regarding babies crying, i remember Shri Mataji used to say to take the babies

outside when they were crying, so as not to disturb. It was the courteous thing

to do. When you are in your little, small collective of Montreal, of course you

would attend to your baby, if it needed a feed or nappy change. Sometimes these

needs are not determined at the very first instant. For a leader to then

immediately turn around and viciously say to tape the mouth of your baby,

Lalita, was a cruel thing to say. It did not even fall into the category of

being cruel, to be kind! It shows that you were being ostracized, the slow and

painful way - the way of not being made to feel welcome anymore.

 

So if those who purport to be true Sahaja Yogis can inflict such cruelty on

others, where is the love? Where is the patience? Where is the humility? Where

is the understanding? i suspect that many directives given by leaders come from

their own lack of understanding of what Shri Mataji said, and not from Shri

Mataji Herself. Shri Mataji has never ever said to tape the mouth of a child!!!

She may have asked parents to please quieten a child, but She never has said to

put a tape on the mouth of a child. This is what i mean, when i say that leaders

put their own words in their own mouth, and think they 'show Shri Mataji'.

 

We can see the outcome today, of their lack of understanding; the SYSSR, with

its imposed external do's and don'ts, which Shri Mataji never even wanted 'put

into a book'! But the Subtle System Yogis insisted that She do so, so She

relented. However, they have made it their religion now, without understanding

Her Full Message, which i never heard in Sahaj Collectives. It was never

discussed. This is why many remain ignorant of the Last Judgment and

Resurrection Message. So they keep others ignorant too. It is endemic. The

subtle system reigns, and that's it.

 

As for Mrs. Chitnavis, i know parents did not like her either. They

thought her a 'hard woman' and not the type you would want your

children looked after by.

 

As for Yogi Mahajan, i remember his demi-God status. We heard nothing but 'YM

this; YM that' at times. Even i became enamoured, until i heard he was

dismissed, and then i further found out his 'true colors' from your forum,

Jagbir. i was astounded. So leaders today, are not leaders tomorrow. Leaders

have been shown to be a maya in Sahaja Yoga, because in Sahaja Yoga the true

leader is your Self, but for that, you first have to Realise the Self, which is

what Self-Realisation really means, in the end.

 

Also it seems that in the 'organisation' of Sahaja Yoga, that there is this

'instant karma' whereby as soon as someone is showing their control over others,

they soon become control freaks. Perhaps it is an 'instant karma' that happens,

because we are talking of Union with the Divine here, and any fanatics and

control freaks, immediately get thrown out of the Kingdom of God, which does not

tolerate such behaviour.

 

i am glad we are gathering together in Spirit, all of us. Nobody can impose upon

us. We have the spiritual liberty. We can meditate and be in Union with the

Divine Within at all times. We can do everything necessary to aid the Kingdom of

God. It does not require outer temples, but our inner temple, to do the Holy

Spirit's bidding. i remind that Shri Mataji said that if we did not give Her

Message from within the organisation, that it would be given from without the

organisation. i also remember that She said that what is not truth, will be

destroyed by the Truth.

 

We have a lot of hope to transform this world with Her Message, given from

outside the organisation.

 

Jai Shri Mataji!

 

violet

 

 

" Every human being can arrive at this natural state of new awareness and inner

balance and quickly become his own master. Sahaja Yoga is not an organization, a

club or a spiritual congregation - it is a state of being and a real spontaneous

experience. Self-Realization and all the teachings of Sahaja Yoga are free of

charge. "

 

www.sahajbangalore.tripod.com/

 

 

NOTE: Unfortunately, since the SY organisation are controlling Her Message to

their advantage, instead of giving it like Shri Mataji gave it, the freedom of

expression of Sahaja Yogis in the organisation, over the internet, has been

restricted. The above quote from 'sahajbangalore tripod' can no longer be

accessed, as John Noyce and co-religionists of the SYSSR have worked hard to

silence the individual voice of the Sahaja Yogi, declaring them an 'unofficial

voice' as far as the internet is concerned.

 

So we can thank God that Jagbir has preserved this record for posterity to

witness the atrocities that WCASY are doing to the individual SY voice.

 

Shri Mataji gave full permission to real Sahaja Yogis to declare with their own

voice and this includes the right to declare over the internet for the public to

see. Their voice is consistent as long as it is what Shri Mataji taught, so

there is no problem.

 

Here you will find the quote above, preserved for the public knowledge, at the

right hand column in the grey boxes, in the last paragraph of the 9th from the

bottom grey box, in this URL:

 

http://www.adishakti.org/lectures_to_earth.htm

 

In this grey box area you will also see the quotes of individual Sahaja Yogis,

that they have given re what Shri Mataji has given.

 

 

 

 

---In , " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> >

> > Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in

> > general. As mentioned before i have many horror stories to tell

> > about my short 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would not

> > wish on anyone.

> >

>

> i had a number of horrible experiences with senior SYs. One of the

> worst was when this Montreal senior SY exclaimed loudly after a

group

> meditation that i tape the mouth of my few-months-old daughter

Lalita

> as she was crying (perhaps because she was hungry or needed a diaper

> change). i was compelled to angrily confront his unwarranted but

> abundant outpouring of Sahaj Love. (He had earlier requested during

a

> national pre-puja meeting that a havan be made of all my religious/

> spiritual books, in my presence. The reason: they were written by

> so-called false gurus. i was publicly humiliated and made to look

> like a possessed neophyte in the company of great souls, and had to

> be cleansed of negativity with their Sahaj Love. i told them under

no

> circumstance will they touch my books, no matter who wrote them.)

>

> i have more Sahaj Love stories but will share them over time in

small

> doses. An overdose of Sahaj Love in a single post can be fatal,

> especially if received from leaders or senior SYs! As Blase

correctly

> observed " The people who do the using and the abusing are held up as

> being wonderful SYs! " Yes, world leader Yogi Mahajan was a demi-god

> in Sahaja Yoga who for months mentally and verbally abused my

> children through his pawn and principal of the International Sahaja

> Public School, Mrs. Chitnavis. Reason for the sustained abuse: to

> force a possessed Kash (evil spirits were causing him to meet the

> Golden Goddess in his Sahasrara) to leave the school voluntarily.

>

> And when that failed Yogi Mahajan and Mrs. Chitnavis devised a most

> deceitful and damaging propaganda campaign. Only those with satanic

> minds can devise such plans to delibrately assassinate and destroy

the

> good name and character of innocent children. This diabolical duo

> were held in high esteem in the Sahaja Yoga organization by the rank

> and file! North American leaders and SYs were delighted by Yogi

> Mahajan's reasons and success in expelling Kash from ISPS, India.

>

> i must stop here as too much Sahaj Love can be fatal.

>

>

> -----------------------------

>

> Dear All,

>

> Appended below is yet another sad, sad story that is typical of SY

> collectives that i can relate to. i have repeated a number of times

> that had it not been for my children i would have left Sahaja Yoga

> very quickly. In fact i would never have joined in the first place.

> It is the abuse and ignorance that is most shocking. My children and

> myself have many horror stories that we will never forget for the

> rest of our lives. We are so happy to have left and continued on our

> own. And only after leaving was i able to rid myself of all the

> conditioning rituals that are the sacred cows of the SYSSR.

>

> The official SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) is hardly

any

> different from other chakra and kundalini based schools. Few stay to

> find out what it is really about. Of the few who stay most

eventually

> leave, even after a decade or two. This common trend has been well-

> known in SY circles, irreversible despite all the massive effort of

> tens of thousands of SYs over the decades. Thus, after Shri Mataji`s

> Mahasamadhi there is absolutely no hope for the SY organization.

>

> The overriding cause for the whole abysmal failure = honesty.

> Without question the official editing out of Shri Mataji`s Divine

> Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection is largely responsible

> for the lack of faith, a severe deficiency that rids seekers even

> after years inside the SY organization (story below). And without

the

> evidence given at http://www.adishakti.org/ and affiliated websites

> there is also no hope of seekers believing in Her Divine Message.

>

> The secondary reason for the failure is the official claim that Shri

> Mataji is God and compulsory meditation on Her photograph. Shri

> Mataji has NEVER claimed Herself to be God but Adi Shakti (and that

> also as an incarnation). And when you have no evidence, other than

> cool breeze and `miracle photos', to back that flawed " God " claim

> others see Sahaja Yoga as a cult, and rightfully so. And with Sir

> C.P. making Shri Mataji's medical file public, an irresponsible act

> that clearly violates human dignity, that claim is now an acute

> embarrassment and permanent yoke on the organization. (Did Sir C.P.

> ever introspect the dire consequences of his intentions and the

> damage it will inflict on Shri Mataji's reputation and legacy,

> especially since She had explicitly barred anyone from medicating

> Her?)

>

> Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in

general.

> As mentioned before i have many horror stories to tell about my

short

> 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would not wish on anyone.

> And if you add the fanaticism, absurd fears, daily rituals,

ceaseless

> catches, avidya and what not, Self-realization is difficult and

> superficial at best. That SYs need Shri Mataji's photograph for

> meditation rests my case, an unforgivable sin for fools like Alan

> Wherry, Ed Saugstad, John Noyce, to name a few of the crème de la

> crème of `senior SYs' in charge of spreading Sahaja Yoga.

>

> i keep saying that the SY camel will have to eventually drink the

> water of truth, or else waste away and die. So it does not matter

how

> many SYs get angry that we are publicly criticizing WCASY, Sir C.P

> and the SY organization in general. Better that bitter medicine now

> than a dead camel soon.

>

> regards to all,

>

> jagbir

>

>

>

>

>

> Blase

> Sun Dec 2, 2007 5:48 pm

>

>

> Dear Jlioew

>

> I asked you the question about your age and time in SY to determine

> if you were some innocent young person. I was a SY for over 13 years

> and I am in my fifties. You speak to everyone in here as if we have

> not been SY - why is this?

>

> Meditation works as it gives the mind & body a rest. I practised

> another perfectly harmless technique for 20 years before I came to

SY

> where I was told that it was the most evil technique one could

> possibly practice; that the person who started it was a rakshasa

etc.

> This technique involves reciting a very simple mantra; mine sounds

> much like " eema " . I had experienced bliss and pure consciousness for

> many years and was very happy but I did not regard myself

> as " enlightened " .

>

> I only went along to the first SY program to keep a friend company

> and I was lured in by the notion that I was going to become

> enlightened. I became hypnotised by the photos of SM and fell in

love

> with what I thought was her but was in reality only her photo; and a

> photo of a very young person. Many of us would be regarded as

> captivating with divine like qualities from photos of us in our

youth

> when we had good looks, intelligence and wonderful health etc.

>

> The happiness came from the fact that my mind and body were getting

> deep rest as I was still meditating in some way; that I was actually

> in love with SM's photo who I mistakenly thought was God on earth,

> and I enjoyed the friendship and company of others who were

> meditating and " in Love " with SM's photo; as well as the enjoyment

of

> singing and listening to beautiful music as well as sharing a belief

> system that appeared to be so wonderful.

>

> On the flip side, I felt guilty if I was late for the programmes

> which I usually was as I had too many other people in my life to

care

> for, and I had ridiculous fights with people that were either

leaders

> or other yogis; people I would not ever have become friends with

> outside SY. The fights were so illogical and irrational and

> ridiculous that it makes me sad and makes me laugh. I remember

saying

> to one of these people; " my friends outside would never treat me

like

> this or speak to me like this! " I would not have tolerated being

> emotionally abused and used by anyone else outside of SY but I HAD

TO

> PUT UP WITH IT INSIDE SY! The people who do the using and the

abusing

> are held up as being wonderful SYs!

>

> I could not seee the benefits in people's lives; I became very poor

> over the time in SY and very fat and finally I started going in to a

> trance when doing affirmations with my eyes open when looking at SM

> photo. I was once in a trance for five hours and could not do my

> work. The yogi in our area that was regarded as the best SY was in

> fact known within the community as a scatterbrained person who used

> everybody for money etc. We had new people coming to our group and

> pointing out exactly the latter. Our little group disintergrated and

> we all feel much better for it.

>

> I left in June 2007 after finding this site by accident and I don't

> have to put up with these people using and abusing me and I can

> meditate whenever I like, however I like and enjoy the benefits and

I

> don't have to worship anyone. I still enjoy the company of those who

> left at the same time as me and we just laugh and wonder how we

could

> have been so stupid to have been lured into what is in fact a

> ridiculous cult worshipping a silly old lady as God!!!

>

> Love Blase

>

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Dear Semira and All,

 

Jagbir has told us many times that he and his family have overcome the bad

treatment received collectively, in that they are much happier out of the

organisation, and can do the work for Shri Mataji from outside the organisation.

Hearing the unhappy experiences of others, does bring back memories. Jagbir

recounted about how a senior SY told him to tape the mouth of baby Lalita. This

is not a nice thing to say to anyone, let alone a fellow SY. It is a dry, highly

insensitive comment to make to anyone with a baby that is crying, and to say it

right in front of all others in a group, makes it not only insensitive, but

highly embarrassing.

 

But in a Sahaj Group, the purportedly highest spiritual beings on Earth, it is

virtually unforgiveable, in comparison. Sahaja Yogis are supposed to be the most

highly spiritual, therefore the most sensitive people to other's feelings, which

is what Sahaj Love is 'in action'. However, my observation is that there are

real Sahaja Yogis, and those who just carry the 'title' of Sahaja Yogi, but

their actions show otherwise. Their actions show they are worse than most

non-Sahaja Yogis. It is the same as Christians and christians. Lots of people

call themselves Christians, but are not christian in their behaviour. It is no

different for a Sahaja Yogi. Lots of people call themselves Sahaja Yogis, but

are not sahaja yogi.

 

i hope this helps.

 

with love,

 

violet

 

 

 

,

" caraleen98 " <caraleen98 wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir,

> People have treated you and your children badly because of

jealousy.

> Hopefully your family has been able to overcome the hurt that has

> been caused them.

> Love, Semira

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in

> > > general. As mentioned before i have many horror stories to tell

> > > about my short 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would

> not

> > > wish on anyone.

> > >

> >

> > i had a number of horrible experiences with senior SYs. One of

the

> > worst was when this Montreal senior SY exclaimed loudly after a

> group

> > meditation that i tape the mouth of my few-months-old daughter

> Lalita

> > as she was crying (perhaps because she was hungry or needed a

> diaper

> > change). i was compelled to angrily confront his unwarranted but

> > abundant outpouring of Sahaj Love. (He had earlier requested

> during a

> > national pre-puja meeting that a havan be made of all my

religious/

> > spiritual books, in my presence. The reason: they were written by

> > so-called false gurus. i was publicly humiliated and made to look

> > like a possessed neophyte in the company of great souls, and had

to

> > be cleansed of negativity with their Sahaj Love. i told them

under

> no

> > circumstance will they touch my books, no matter who wrote them.)

> >

> > i have more Sahaj Love stories but will share them over time in

> small

> > doses. An overdose of Sahaj Love in a single post can be fatal,

> > especially if received from leaders or senior SYs! As Blase

> correctly

> > observed " The people who do the using and the abusing are held

up

> as

> > being wonderful SYs! " Yes, world leader Yogi Mahajan was a demi-

god

> > in Sahaja Yoga who for months mentally and verbally abused my

> > children through his pawn and principal of the International

Sahaja

> > Public School, Mrs. Chitnavis. Reason for the sustained abuse: to

> > force a possessed Kash (evil spirits were causing him to meet the

> > Golden Goddess in his Sahasrara) to leave the school voluntarily.

> >

> > And when that failed Yogi Mahajan and Mrs. Chitnavis devised a

most

> > deceitful and damaging propaganda campaign. Only those with

satanic

> > minds can devise such plans to delibrately assassinate and

destroy

> the

> > good name and character of innocent children. This diabolical duo

> > were held in high esteem in the Sahaja Yoga organization by the

> rank

> > and file! North American leaders and SYs were delighted by Yogi

> > Mahajan's reasons and success in expelling Kash from ISPS, India.

> >

> > i must stop here as too much Sahaj Love can be fatal.

> >

> >

> > -----------------------------

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Appended below is yet another sad, sad story that is typical of

SY

> > collectives that i can relate to. i have repeated a number of

times

> > that had it not been for my children i would have left Sahaja

Yoga

> > very quickly. In fact i would never have joined in the first

place.

> > It is the abuse and ignorance that is most shocking. My children

> and

> > myself have many horror stories that we will never forget for the

> > rest of our lives. We are so happy to have left and continued on

> our

> > own. And only after leaving was i able to rid myself of all the

> > conditioning rituals that are the sacred cows of the SYSSR.

> >

> > The official SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) is

hardly

> any

> > different from other chakra and kundalini based schools. Few

stay

> to

> > find out what it is really about. Of the few who stay most

> eventually

> > leave, even after a decade or two. This common trend has been

well-

> > known in SY circles, irreversible despite all the massive effort

of

> > tens of thousands of SYs over the decades. Thus, after Shri

> Mataji`s

> > Mahasamadhi there is absolutely no hope for the SY organization.

> >

> > The overriding cause for the whole abysmal failure = honesty.

> > Without question the official editing out of Shri Mataji`s Divine

> > Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection is largely

> responsible

> > for the lack of faith, a severe deficiency that rids seekers even

> > after years inside the SY organization (story below). And

without

> the

> > evidence given at http://www.adishakti.org/ and affiliated

websites

> > there is also no hope of seekers believing in Her Divine Message.

> >

> > The secondary reason for the failure is the official claim that

> Shri

> > Mataji is God and compulsory meditation on Her photograph. Shri

> > Mataji has NEVER claimed Herself to be God but Adi Shakti (and

that

> > also as an incarnation). And when you have no evidence, other

than

> > cool breeze and `miracle photos', to back that flawed " God " claim

> > others see Sahaja Yoga as a cult, and rightfully so. And with Sir

> > C.P. making Shri Mataji's medical file public, an irresponsible

act

> > that clearly violates human dignity, that claim is now an acute

> > embarrassment and permanent yoke on the organization. (Did Sir

C.P.

> > ever introspect the dire consequences of his intentions and the

> > damage it will inflict on Shri Mataji's reputation and legacy,

> > especially since She had explicitly barred anyone from medicating

> > Her?)

> >

> > Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in

> general.

> > As mentioned before i have many horror stories to tell about my

> short

> > 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would not wish on

anyone.

> > And if you add the fanaticism, absurd fears, daily rituals,

> ceaseless

> > catches, avidya and what not, Self-realization is difficult and

> > superficial at best. That SYs need Shri Mataji's photograph for

> > meditation rests my case, an unforgivable sin for fools like Alan

> > Wherry, Ed Saugstad, John Noyce, to name a few of the crème de la

> > crème of `senior SYs' in charge of spreading Sahaja Yoga.

> >

> > i keep saying that the SY camel will have to eventually drink the

> > water of truth, or else waste away and die. So it does not

matter

> how

> > many SYs get angry that we are publicly criticizing WCASY, Sir

C.P

> > and the SY organization in general. Better that bitter medicine

now

> > than a dead camel soon.

> >

> > regards to all,

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> >

> >

> > --------------------------------

-

> >

> > Blase

> > Sun Dec 2, 2007 5:48 pm

> >

> >

> > Dear Jlioew

> >

> > I asked you the question about your age and time in SY to

determine

> > if you were some innocent young person. I was a SY for over 13

> years

> > and I am in my fifties. You speak to everyone in here as if we

have

> > not been SY - why is this?

> >

> > Meditation works as it gives the mind & body a rest. I practised

> > another perfectly harmless technique for 20 years before I came

to

> SY

> > where I was told that it was the most evil technique one could

> > possibly practice; that the person who started it was a rakshasa

> etc.

> > This technique involves reciting a very simple mantra; mine

sounds

> > much like " eema " . I had experienced bliss and pure consciousness

> for

> > many years and was very happy but I did not regard myself

> > as " enlightened " .

> >

> > I only went along to the first SY program to keep a friend

company

> > and I was lured in by the notion that I was going to become

> > enlightened. I became hypnotised by the photos of SM and fell in

> love

> > with what I thought was her but was in reality only her photo;

and

> a

> > photo of a very young person. Many of us would be regarded as

> > captivating with divine like qualities from photos of us in our

> youth

> > when we had good looks, intelligence and wonderful health etc.

> >

> > The happiness came from the fact that my mind and body were

getting

> > deep rest as I was still meditating in some way; that I was

> actually

> > in love with SM's photo who I mistakenly thought was God on

earth,

> > and I enjoyed the friendship and company of others who were

> > meditating and " in Love " with SM's photo; as well as the

enjoyment

> of

> > singing and listening to beautiful music as well as sharing a

> belief

> > system that appeared to be so wonderful.

> >

> > On the flip side, I felt guilty if I was late for the programmes

> > which I usually was as I had too many other people in my life to

> care

> > for, and I had ridiculous fights with people that were either

> leaders

> > or other yogis; people I would not ever have become friends with

> > outside SY. The fights were so illogical and irrational and

> > ridiculous that it makes me sad and makes me laugh. I remember

> saying

> > to one of these people; " my friends outside would never treat me

> like

> > this or speak to me like this! " I would not have tolerated being

> > emotionally abused and used by anyone else outside of SY but I

HAD

> TO

> > PUT UP WITH IT INSIDE SY! The people who do the using and the

> abusing

> > are held up as being wonderful SYs!

> >

> > I could not seee the benefits in people's lives; I became very

poor

> > over the time in SY and very fat and finally I started going in

to

> a

> > trance when doing affirmations with my eyes open when looking at

SM

> > photo. I was once in a trance for five hours and could not do my

> > work. The yogi in our area that was regarded as the best SY was

in

> > fact known within the community as a scatterbrained person who

used

> > everybody for money etc. We had new people coming to our group

and

> > pointing out exactly the latter. Our little group disintergrated

> and

> > we all feel much better for it.

> >

> > I left in June 2007 after finding this site by accident and I

don't

> > have to put up with these people using and abusing me and I can

> > meditate whenever I like, however I like and enjoy the benefits

> and I

> > don't have to worship anyone. I still enjoy the company of those

> who

> > left at the same time as me and we just laugh and wonder how we

> could

> > have been so stupid to have been lured into what is in fact a

> > ridiculous cult worshipping a silly old lady as God!!!

> >

> > Love Blase

> >

>

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Dear Semira, Violet and All,

 

If the abuse does not stop after years of silence and toleration

divorce is the only way to find peace of mind and get on with your

spiritual journey and task at hand.

 

And if they still try to abuse and harass you despite the divorve

then you have to take off your gloves. Sfacets, John Noyce, Alan

Wherry, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj, Yogi Mahajan and Mrs. Chitnavis

are just casualties of their own aggression towards my children or

myself. Most are just plain jealous or ignorant.

 

But i was happily drinking and smoking my life away, as had been the

norm since the 60s, before the clear call came late 1993 to join Shri

Mataji. i did, and the rest is history. Sfacets, John Noyce, Alan

Wherry, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj, Yogi Mahajan and Mrs. Chitnavis

should blame Shri Mataji, Shri Ganesha and the Paramchaitanya for

triggering all the events that took place till date. Despite the

repeated failure of SY leaders over the years to elicit any form of

negative comment from Shri Mataji, there is still time to make Her

issue a confession that my children were indeed possessed by evil

spirits ........ and that She was lying all the while. Maybe the Devi

within too will repent and apologize to Kash, Arwinder and Lalita.

Why pick on a night-soil carrier like me who is just performing his

assigned duty?

 

regards,

 

jagbir

 

 

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear Semira and All,

>

> Jagbir has told us many times that he and his family have overcome

the bad treatment received collectively, in that they are much

happier out of the organisation, and can do the work for Shri Mataji

from outside the organisation. Hearing the unhappy experiences of

others, does bring back memories. Jagbir recounted about how a senior

SY told him to tape the mouth of baby Lalita. This is not a nice

thing to say to anyone, let alone a fellow SY. It is a dry, highly

insensitive comment to make to anyone with a baby that is crying, and

to say it right in front of all others in a group, makes it not only

insensitive, but highly embarrassing.

>

> But in a Sahaj Group, the purportedly highest spiritual beings on

Earth, it is virtually unforgiveable, in comparison. Sahaja Yogis are

supposed to be the most highly spiritual, therefore the most

sensitive people to other's feelings, which is what Sahaj Love is 'in

action'. However, my observation is that there are real Sahaja Yogis,

and those who just carry the 'title' of Sahaja Yogi, but their

actions show otherwise. Their actions show they are worse than most

non-Sahaja Yogis. It is the same as Christians and christians. Lots

of people call themselves Christians, but are not christian in their

behaviour. It is no different for a Sahaja Yogi. Lots of people call

themselves Sahaja Yogis, but are not sahaja yogi.

>

> i hope this helps.

>

> with love,

>

> violet

>

>

>

> ,

> " caraleen98 " <caraleen98@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir,

> > People have treated you and your children badly because of

> jealousy.

> > Hopefully your family has been able to overcome the hurt that has

> > been caused them.

> > Love, Semira

> >

> > , " jagbir singh "

> > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in

> > > > general. As mentioned before i have many horror stories to

tell

> > > > about my short 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would

> > not

> > > > wish on anyone.

> > > >

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Dear Jagbir (and All),

 

You definitely were not only " called " , but " chosen " by Shri Mataji to do the

work you are doing, with children born to " give evidence of Her Incarnation " -

that Hers is a true Incarnation. She called you to " Join Shri Mataji " in 1993.

 

The date of 1993 brings an interesting co-incidence for me. If you recall, i

heard Shri Mataji say in 1994, at Sydney Airport, that children from Montreal

would " give evidence of Her Incarnation. Well, it was only in 1993 (here we go

with dates again!) that i am sure it was i had my self-realisation. Just to

calculate, i know that i did not come to Sahaja Yoga until after Peter and i

were married, which was in 1991, and i don't think i came to the Free Meditation

Classes in a yogi's home until either end of 1992/early 1993. So what i am

saying is that it is interesting that i also came to SY around the time you did,

and that we are now working together - and with others too, of course.

 

But what i am saying is that i also feel i have been led to Her, and that She

has expected me to stand up for Her Message throughout, regardless of what

others have decided to do - and to hold in everyone's attention, what She has

given, which includes reminding them about Shri Mataji's Message of the " special

children " in 1994, even though everyone else has either not known about it,

genuinely forgotten it, or deliberately forgotten it. (My mentioning it, must

have " surely " stirred some memories of those maybe 100 or so people who were

there). But then, maybe still most SYs do not realise its eschatological

significance and its long-term spiritual importance.

 

As for the SYSSR and WCASY, they will never need this evidence, because the

SYSSR is not about the Christian Comforter and Her Message of the Last Judgment

and Resurrection. They can just continue on, divorced from any eschatological

necessity. All they need is the Subtle System, Chakra, and Meditation

Information, which other groups also have, similar to that. However, what we are

preserving, nobody else has, Jagbir. It is the most precious Gift to Humanity

that She has given, which we can proclaim without any opposition and

interference. It is much more than a mere subtle system message, or even a

meditation message, or even a chakra cleansing message. It is not less than the

Message of " the Divine Within " , and " Realising the Self in Silence " .

 

Jagbir, we know for sure; we don't guess about these things. We have the

evidence. We have seen, and heard Her Words. There is no doubt. The more others

want to sow seeds of doubt, the more determined we are to get Her Message out

there. Thanks for being the Spiritual Warrior that you are. You will never be

forgotten in the annals of spiritual history, even though you are being

'pooh-poohed' by the priests and scribes. But then 'what's new?'. They

pooh-poohed all the others too.

 

So may the Mother prevail, as we know She will!

 

with recognition and humility,

 

violet

 

 

 

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> Dear Semira, Violet and All,

>

> If the abuse does not stop after years of silence and toleration

> divorce is the only way to find peace of mind and get on with your

> spiritual journey and task at hand.

>

> And if they still try to abuse and harass you despite the divorve

> then you have to take off your gloves. Sfacets, John Noyce, Alan

> Wherry, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj, Yogi Mahajan and Mrs.

Chitnavis

> are just casualties of their own aggression towards my children or

> myself. Most are just plain jealous or ignorant.

>

> But i was happily drinking and smoking my life away, as had been

the

> norm since the 60s, before the clear call came late 1993 to join

Shri

> Mataji. i did, and the rest is history. Sfacets, John Noyce, Alan

> Wherry, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj, Yogi Mahajan and Mrs.

Chitnavis

> should blame Shri Mataji, Shri Ganesha and the Paramchaitanya for

> triggering all the events that took place till date. Despite the

> repeated failure of SY leaders over the years to elicit any form of

> negative comment from Shri Mataji, there is still time to make Her

> issue a confession that my children were indeed possessed by evil

> spirits ........ and that She was lying all the while. Maybe the

Devi

> within too will repent and apologize to Kash, Arwinder and Lalita.

> Why pick on a night-soil carrier like me who is just performing his

> assigned duty?

>

> regards,

>

> jagbir

>

>

> , " Violet "

> <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Semira and All,

> >

> > Jagbir has told us many times that he and his family have

overcome

> the bad treatment received collectively, in that they are much

> happier out of the organisation, and can do the work for Shri

Mataji

> from outside the organisation. Hearing the unhappy experiences of

> others, does bring back memories. Jagbir recounted about how a

senior

> SY told him to tape the mouth of baby Lalita. This is not a nice

> thing to say to anyone, let alone a fellow SY. It is a dry, highly

> insensitive comment to make to anyone with a baby that is crying,

and

> to say it right in front of all others in a group, makes it not

only

> insensitive, but highly embarrassing.

> >

> > But in a Sahaj Group, the purportedly highest spiritual beings on

> Earth, it is virtually unforgiveable, in comparison. Sahaja Yogis

are

> supposed to be the most highly spiritual, therefore the most

> sensitive people to other's feelings, which is what Sahaj Love is

'in

> action'. However, my observation is that there are real Sahaja

Yogis,

> and those who just carry the 'title' of Sahaja Yogi, but their

> actions show otherwise. Their actions show they are worse than most

> non-Sahaja Yogis. It is the same as Christians and christians. Lots

> of people call themselves Christians, but are not christian in

their

> behaviour. It is no different for a Sahaja Yogi. Lots of people

call

> themselves Sahaja Yogis, but are not sahaja yogi.

> >

> > i hope this helps.

> >

> > with love,

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> >

> > ,

> > " caraleen98 " <caraleen98@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jagbir,

> > > People have treated you and your children badly because of

> > jealousy.

> > > Hopefully your family has been able to overcome the hurt that

has

> > > been caused them.

> > > Love, Semira

> > >

> > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY

in

> > > > > general. As mentioned before i have many horror stories to

> tell

> > > > > about my short 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i

would

> > > not

> > > > > wish on anyone.

> > > > >

>

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, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

 

Despite the repeated failure of SY leaders over the years to elicit

any form of negative comment from Shri Mataji, there is still time to

make Her issue a confession that my children were indeed possessed by

evil spirits ........ and that She was lying all the while. Maybe the

Devi within too will repent and apologize to Kash, Arwinder and

Lalita. Why pick on a night-soil carrier like me who is just

performing his assigned duty?

 

Dear Jagbir (and All),

 

i agree. Surely all of WCASY combined, who state they now are Her

Will - surely they must then be able to talk to Shri Mataji, who is still in Her

physical body, and sort out this matter - that they think She made a mistake

when She said you were doing a good job. They could approach Her, and put a stop

to your work, by having Her write in HER OWN HANDWRITING:

 

" Stop, Jagbir, you are causing Sahaja Yoga a lot of trouble! "

 

Why don't they ask Her then, while the cameras are rolling too, so that all the

Sahaja Yogis (including us of course who are Sahaja Yogis outside of the

organisation) and all the legal experts too, can see and hear from Her Own

Mouth, what She would say. What i am saying is that if they really think you are

in the wrong, Jagbir, why don't they settle the matter honestly, by once again

approaching Shri Mataji.

 

Here are my opinions, why i think they won't/can't do it:

 

1./ They are afraid to ask Her about you, once again, because deep in their

hearts, they are afraid to offend Her.

 

2./ They have deceived themselves on this issue, and therefore lack the

confidence to ask Her, once again, just in case they're wrong.

 

3./ What if She tells them what they don't want to hear, once again? What

happens then?

 

4./ They don't want to make a fool of themselves, and i can understand that it

is not nice to feel like a fool, especially in front of about 20,000 yogis in

the organisation of Sahaj.

 

5./ Here is an unusual reason - Maybe Shri Mataji is preventing them from asking

Her. Maybe She wants a drama of major proportions, but let me explain:

 

As said, my guess is that they won't be upfront, courageous, and honest about

this whole drama. But still, the Truth will keep on exposing all that is 'not

Truth'. After all, this is the Devi's Great Drama of Worldwide Emancipation. It

is a live drama of universal dimension, which is involving more and more people

in it, all the while. She seems to want everyone involved in this Drama of

Sahaja Yoga, whatever it takes. You cannot say it is not a BIG DRAMA! i mean,

look at poor Wikipedia, who is certainly getting a headache of major proportions

in the Editing Department from the Scribes backed by the Priests, LOL! Look at

the priests and scribes in the organisation of Sahaja Yoga, and how they are

limiting Her Message once again, the Realised Souls who are having to make

unprecedented spiritual choice to follow Shri Mataji or to follow the priestly

class once again, the media, the music, the art, the eschatology, the special

children who are angels incarnated that have given evidence to confirm Her

Incarnation, the photographs of Shri Mataji showing the Great Light around Her,

the life-changing transformation of many souls, the dramatic letters She has

written, Her ability to say opposite things, to cover all contingencies, Her

Motherly Ways, the Great Love we all feel from Her, Her worldly connections -

being on the 'World Stage', the astrological charts, Her sense of humour, Her

calling certain individuals to do Her Great Work with Her - Her asking all

Sahaja Yogis to do Her Great Work.

 

It is obvious Her Spiritual Drama of Sahaja Yoga was never going to be contained

by a staid, confined, organisation, which was just needed to ground Sahaja Yoga

on Earth - but it was destined to become a living spiritual Organism that would

infuse new life into spiritual seekers and others wanting it, into all existing

religions, into all existing institutions, and you can already see the seeds

starting to sprout. The global spiritual consciousness as a whole, is changing

away from the material to the more spiritual outlook.

 

So when Her Drama becomes even more intense, lets remember that there has to be

an unprecedented ending to it too. We only know that the Devi and All Her

Angels, and Spiritual Forces will win. We just don't know all the dramas that

are going to happen along the way. So lets continue to appreciate that though we

are all players in this great Drama, it is still Her Play - and we are

privileged to be the early - the first players. There are others to follow us, i

am sure of that. She has spoken about future Sahaja Yogis, who will look back at

the first Sahaja Yogis, what they have done.

 

So lets enjoy the continuation of Her Play, which can never - no never, be

contained by the priests and scribes of Sahaja Yoga. Even while She is yet in

Her physical body, in this Divine Incarnational Round, Her Continued Message of

Christ's Last Judgment and Resurrection is already out there over the internet,

thanks to http://www.adishakti.org/ - and never to be contained within the

secret confines of an 'exclusive' Sahaj Organisation, ruled by priests and

scribes.

 

So let the Play, Her Great Drama continue, which is without doubt a most

exciting drama, with all the elements in it, that make for a 'Must See'. Yes,

the Devi is making sure that Her Divine Drama does not end in a quiet whimper.

We can see that now. She is breaking all the rules of the priest, scribes, and

churches. How they thought they would ever contain Her and Her Message, is

beyond me, LOL!

 

Jai Shri Mataji

 

and

 

regards to all,

 

violet

 

 

 

> Dear Semira, Violet and All,

>

> If the abuse does not stop after years of silence and toleration

> divorce is the only way to find peace of mind and get on with your

> spiritual journey and task at hand.

>

> And if they still try to abuse and harass you despite the divorve

> then you have to take off your gloves. Sfacets, John Noyce, Alan

> Wherry, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj, Yogi Mahajan and Mrs.

Chitnavis

> are just casualties of their own aggression towards my children or

> myself. Most are just plain jealous or ignorant.

>

> But i was happily drinking and smoking my life away, as had been the

> norm since the 60s, before the clear call came late 1993 to join

Shri

> Mataji. i did, and the rest is history. Sfacets, John Noyce, Alan

> Wherry, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj, Yogi Mahajan and Mrs.

Chitnavis

> should blame Shri Mataji, Shri Ganesha and the Paramchaitanya for

> triggering all the events that took place till date. Despite the

> repeated failure of SY leaders over the years to elicit any form of

> negative comment from Shri Mataji, there is still time to make Her

> issue a confession that my children were indeed possessed by evil

> spirits ........ and that She was lying all the while. Maybe the

Devi

> within too will repent and apologize to Kash, Arwinder and Lalita.

> Why pick on a night-soil carrier like me who is just performing his

> assigned duty?

>

> regards,

>

> jagbir

>

>

> , " Violet "

> <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Semira and All,

> >

> > Jagbir has told us many times that he and his family have overcome

> the bad treatment received collectively, in that they are much

> happier out of the organisation, and can do the work for Shri Mataji

> from outside the organisation. Hearing the unhappy experiences of

> others, does bring back memories. Jagbir recounted about how a

senior

> SY told him to tape the mouth of baby Lalita. This is not a nice

> thing to say to anyone, let alone a fellow SY. It is a dry, highly

> insensitive comment to make to anyone with a baby that is crying,

and

> to say it right in front of all others in a group, makes it not only

> insensitive, but highly embarrassing.

> >

> > But in a Sahaj Group, the purportedly highest spiritual beings on

> Earth, it is virtually unforgiveable, in comparison. Sahaja Yogis

are

> supposed to be the most highly spiritual, therefore the most

> sensitive people to other's feelings, which is what Sahaj Love is

'in

> action'. However, my observation is that there are real Sahaja

Yogis,

> and those who just carry the 'title' of Sahaja Yogi, but their

> actions show otherwise. Their actions show they are worse than most

> non-Sahaja Yogis. It is the same as Christians and christians. Lots

> of people call themselves Christians, but are not christian in their

> behaviour. It is no different for a Sahaja Yogi. Lots of people call

> themselves Sahaja Yogis, but are not sahaja yogi.

> >

> > i hope this helps.

> >

> > with love,

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> >

> > ,

> > " caraleen98 " <caraleen98@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jagbir,

> > > People have treated you and your children badly because of

> > jealousy.

> > > Hopefully your family has been able to overcome the hurt that

has

> > > been caused them.

> > > Love, Semira

> > >

> > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in

> > > > > general. As mentioned before i have many horror stories to

> tell

> > > > > about my short 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i

would

> > > not

> > > > > wish on anyone.

> > > > >

>

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