Guest guest Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Dear All, Appended below is yet another sad, sad story that is typical of SY collectives that i can relate to. i have repeated a number of times that had it not been for my children i would have left Sahaja Yoga very quickly. In fact i would never have joined in the first place. It is the abuse and ignorance that is most shocking. My children and myself have many horror stories that we will never forget for the rest of our lives. We are so happy to have left and continued on our own. And only after leaving was i able to rid myself of all the conditioning rituals that are the sacred cows of the SYSSR. The official SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) is hardly any different from other chakra and kundalini based schools. Few stay to find out what it is really about. Of the few who stay most eventually leave, even after a decade or two. This common trend has been well- known in SY circles, irreversible despite all the massive effort of tens of thousands of SYs over the decades. Thus, after Shri Mataji`s Mahasamadhi there is absolutely no hope for the SY organization. The overriding cause for the whole abysmal failure = honesty. Without question the official editing out of Shri Mataji`s Divine Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection is largely responsible for the lack of faith, a severe deficiency that rids seekers even after years inside the SY organization (story below). And without the evidence given at http://www.adishakti.org/ and affiliated websites there is also no hope of seekers believing in Her Divine Message. The secondary reason for the failure is the official claim that Shri Mataji is God and compulsory meditation on Her photograph. Shri Mataji has NEVER claimed Herself to be God but Adi Shakti (and that also as an incarnation). And when you have no evidence, other than cool breeze and `miracle photos', to back that flawed " God " claim others see Sahaja Yoga as a cult, and rightfully so. And with Sir C.P. making Shri Mataji's medical file public, an irresponsible act that clearly violates human dignity, that claim is now an acute embarrassment and permanent yoke on the organization. (Did Sir C.P. ever introspect the dire consequences of his intentions and the damage it will inflict on Shri Mataji's reputation and legacy, especially since She had explicitly barred anyone from medicating Her?) Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in general. As mentioned before i have many horror stories to tell about my short 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would not wish on anyone. And if you add the fanaticism, absurd fears, daily rituals, ceaseless catches, avidya and what not, Self-realization is difficult and superficial at best. That SYs need Shri Mataji's photograph for meditation rests my case, an unforgivable sin for fools like Alan Wherry, Ed Saugstad, John Noyce, to name a few of the crème de la crème of `senior SYs' in charge of spreading Sahaja Yoga. i keep saying that the SY camel will have to eventually drink the water of truth, or else waste away and die. So it does not matter how many SYs get angry that we are publicly criticizing WCASY, Sir C.P and the SY organization in general. Better that bitter medicine now than a dead camel soon. regards to all, jagbir Blase Sun Dec 2, 2007 5:48 pm Dear Jlioew I asked you the question about your age and time in SY to determine if you were some innocent young person. I was a SY for over 13 years and I am in my fifties. You speak to everyone in here as if we have not been SY - why is this? Meditation works as it gives the mind & body a rest. I practised another perfectly harmless technique for 20 years before I came to SY where I was told that it was the most evil technique one could possibly practice; that the person who started it was a rakshasa etc. This technique involves reciting a very simple mantra; mine sounds much like " eema " . I had experienced bliss and pure consciousness for many years and was very happy but I did not regard myself as " enlightened " . I only went along to the first SY program to keep a friend company and I was lured in by the notion that I was going to become enlightened. I became hypnotised by the photos of SM and fell in love with what I thought was her but was in reality only her photo; and a photo of a very young person. Many of us would be regarded as captivating with divine like qualities from photos of us in our youth when we had good looks, intelligence and wonderful health etc. The happiness came from the fact that my mind and body were getting deep rest as I was still meditating in some way; that I was actually in love with SM's photo who I mistakenly thought was God on earth, and I enjoyed the friendship and company of others who were meditating and " in Love " with SM's photo; as well as the enjoyment of singing and listening to beautiful music as well as sharing a belief system that appeared to be so wonderful. On the flip side, I felt guilty if I was late for the programmes which I usually was as I had too many other people in my life to care for, and I had ridiculous fights with people that were either leaders or other yogis; people I would not ever have become friends with outside SY. The fights were so illogical and irrational and ridiculous that it makes me sad and makes me laugh. I remember saying to one of these people; " my friends outside would never treat me like this or speak to me like this! " I would not have tolerated being emotionally abused and used by anyone else outside of SY but I HAD TO PUT UP WITH IT INSIDE SY! The people who do the using and the abusing are held up as being wonderful SYs! I could not seee the benefits in people's lives; I became very poor over the time in SY and very fat and finally I started going in to a trance when doing affirmations with my eyes open when looking at SM photo. I was once in a trance for five hours and could not do my work. The yogi in our area that was regarded as the best SY was in fact known within the community as a scatterbrained person who used everybody for money etc. We had new people coming to our group and pointing out exactly the latter. Our little group disintergrated and we all feel much better for it. I left in June 2007 after finding this site by accident and I don't have to put up with these people using and abusing me and I can meditate whenever I like, however I like and enjoy the benefits and I don't have to worship anyone. I still enjoy the company of those who left at the same time as me and we just laugh and wonder how we could have been so stupid to have been lured into what is in fact a ridiculous cult worshipping a silly old lady as God!!! Love Blase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 > > Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in > general. As mentioned before i have many horror stories to tell > about my short 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would not > wish on anyone. > i had a number of horrible experiences with senior SYs. One of the worst was when this Montreal senior SY exclaimed loudly after a group meditation that i tape the mouth of my few-months-old daughter Lalita as she was crying (perhaps because she was hungry or needed a diaper change). i was compelled to angrily confront his unwarranted but abundant outpouring of Sahaj Love. (He had earlier requested during a national pre-puja meeting that a havan be made of all my religious/ spiritual books, in my presence. The reason: they were written by so-called false gurus. i was publicly humiliated and made to look like a possessed neophyte in the company of great souls, and had to be cleansed of negativity with their Sahaj Love. i told them under no circumstance will they touch my books, no matter who wrote them.) i have more Sahaj Love stories but will share them over time in small doses. An overdose of Sahaj Love in a single post can be fatal, especially if received from leaders or senior SYs! As Blase correctly observed “The people who do the using and the abusing are held up as being wonderful SYs!” Yes, world leader Yogi Mahajan was a demi-god in Sahaja Yoga who for months mentally and verbally abused my children through his pawn and principal of the International Sahaja Public School, Mrs. Chitnavis. Reason for the sustained abuse: to force a possessed Kash (evil spirits were causing him to meet the Golden Goddess in his Sahasrara) to leave the school voluntarily. And when that failed Yogi Mahajan and Mrs. Chitnavis devised a most deceitful and damaging propaganda campaign. Only those with satanic minds can devise such plans to delibrately assassinate and destroy the good name and character of innocent children. This diabolical duo were held in high esteem in the Sahaja Yoga organization by the rank and file! North American leaders and SYs were delighted by Yogi Mahajan’s reasons and success in expelling Kash from ISPS, India. i must stop here as too much Sahaj Love can be fatal. ----------------------------- Dear All, Appended below is yet another sad, sad story that is typical of SY collectives that i can relate to. i have repeated a number of times that had it not been for my children i would have left Sahaja Yoga very quickly. In fact i would never have joined in the first place. It is the abuse and ignorance that is most shocking. My children and myself have many horror stories that we will never forget for the rest of our lives. We are so happy to have left and continued on our own. And only after leaving was i able to rid myself of all the conditioning rituals that are the sacred cows of the SYSSR. The official SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) is hardly any different from other chakra and kundalini based schools. Few stay to find out what it is really about. Of the few who stay most eventually leave, even after a decade or two. This common trend has been well- known in SY circles, irreversible despite all the massive effort of tens of thousands of SYs over the decades. Thus, after Shri Mataji`s Mahasamadhi there is absolutely no hope for the SY organization. The overriding cause for the whole abysmal failure = honesty. Without question the official editing out of Shri Mataji`s Divine Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection is largely responsible for the lack of faith, a severe deficiency that rids seekers even after years inside the SY organization (story below). And without the evidence given at http://www.adishakti.org/ and affiliated websites there is also no hope of seekers believing in Her Divine Message. The secondary reason for the failure is the official claim that Shri Mataji is God and compulsory meditation on Her photograph. Shri Mataji has NEVER claimed Herself to be God but Adi Shakti (and that also as an incarnation). And when you have no evidence, other than cool breeze and `miracle photos', to back that flawed " God " claim others see Sahaja Yoga as a cult, and rightfully so. And with Sir C.P. making Shri Mataji's medical file public, an irresponsible act that clearly violates human dignity, that claim is now an acute embarrassment and permanent yoke on the organization. (Did Sir C.P. ever introspect the dire consequences of his intentions and the damage it will inflict on Shri Mataji's reputation and legacy, especially since She had explicitly barred anyone from medicating Her?) Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in general. As mentioned before i have many horror stories to tell about my short 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would not wish on anyone. And if you add the fanaticism, absurd fears, daily rituals, ceaseless catches, avidya and what not, Self-realization is difficult and superficial at best. That SYs need Shri Mataji's photograph for meditation rests my case, an unforgivable sin for fools like Alan Wherry, Ed Saugstad, John Noyce, to name a few of the crème de la crème of `senior SYs' in charge of spreading Sahaja Yoga. i keep saying that the SY camel will have to eventually drink the water of truth, or else waste away and die. So it does not matter how many SYs get angry that we are publicly criticizing WCASY, Sir C.P and the SY organization in general. Better that bitter medicine now than a dead camel soon. regards to all, jagbir Blase Sun Dec 2, 2007 5:48 pm Dear Jlioew I asked you the question about your age and time in SY to determine if you were some innocent young person. I was a SY for over 13 years and I am in my fifties. You speak to everyone in here as if we have not been SY - why is this? Meditation works as it gives the mind & body a rest. I practised another perfectly harmless technique for 20 years before I came to SY where I was told that it was the most evil technique one could possibly practice; that the person who started it was a rakshasa etc. This technique involves reciting a very simple mantra; mine sounds much like " eema " . I had experienced bliss and pure consciousness for many years and was very happy but I did not regard myself as " enlightened " . I only went along to the first SY program to keep a friend company and I was lured in by the notion that I was going to become enlightened. I became hypnotised by the photos of SM and fell in love with what I thought was her but was in reality only her photo; and a photo of a very young person. Many of us would be regarded as captivating with divine like qualities from photos of us in our youth when we had good looks, intelligence and wonderful health etc. The happiness came from the fact that my mind and body were getting deep rest as I was still meditating in some way; that I was actually in love with SM's photo who I mistakenly thought was God on earth, and I enjoyed the friendship and company of others who were meditating and " in Love " with SM's photo; as well as the enjoyment of singing and listening to beautiful music as well as sharing a belief system that appeared to be so wonderful. On the flip side, I felt guilty if I was late for the programmes which I usually was as I had too many other people in my life to care for, and I had ridiculous fights with people that were either leaders or other yogis; people I would not ever have become friends with outside SY. The fights were so illogical and irrational and ridiculous that it makes me sad and makes me laugh. I remember saying to one of these people; " my friends outside would never treat me like this or speak to me like this! " I would not have tolerated being emotionally abused and used by anyone else outside of SY but I HAD TO PUT UP WITH IT INSIDE SY! The people who do the using and the abusing are held up as being wonderful SYs! I could not seee the benefits in people's lives; I became very poor over the time in SY and very fat and finally I started going in to a trance when doing affirmations with my eyes open when looking at SM photo. I was once in a trance for five hours and could not do my work. The yogi in our area that was regarded as the best SY was in fact known within the community as a scatterbrained person who used everybody for money etc. We had new people coming to our group and pointing out exactly the latter. Our little group disintergrated and we all feel much better for it. I left in June 2007 after finding this site by accident and I don't have to put up with these people using and abusing me and I can meditate whenever I like, however I like and enjoy the benefits and I don't have to worship anyone. I still enjoy the company of those who left at the same time as me and we just laugh and wonder how we could have been so stupid to have been lured into what is in fact a ridiculous cult worshipping a silly old lady as God!!! Love Blase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Dear Jagbir (and All), i too was told i should not have certain books anymore, so i got rid of them, some of which i regret today, in fact. Then, many years later, there was a heap of books laid in the hallway at Hiawatha, Melbourne, which were for sale, and i saw the type of books, that i thought were a previous 'No-No' in Sahaj. There was one book there, which had an article on Tea Leaf Reading. i pointed out the book to a senior SY, and questioned the presence of this book that they had for sale. Surprisingly, he told me with glee: " Things have changed; you can read whatever books you want now! " i wondered at this new trend. But this shows that the leaders should not have gotten themselves into issuing directives in the first place, if they did not understand the consequences of them. (Take Sir C.P.'s present directives, these days, for instance!) The only way in the future, for spiritual liberation is to actually ignore his directives. Regarding babies crying, i remember Shri Mataji used to say to take the babies outside when they were crying, so as not to disturb. It was the courteous thing to do. When you are in your little, small collective of Montreal, of course you would attend to your baby, if it needed a feed or nappy change. Sometimes these needs are not determined at the very first instant. For a leader to then immediately turn around and viciously say to tape the mouth of your baby, Lalita, was a cruel thing to say. It did not even fall into the category of being cruel, to be kind! It shows that you were being ostracized, the slow and painful way - the way of not being made to feel welcome anymore. So if those who purport to be true Sahaja Yogis can inflict such cruelty on others, where is the love? Where is the patience? Where is the humility? Where is the understanding? i suspect that many directives given by leaders come from their own lack of understanding of what Shri Mataji said, and not from Shri Mataji Herself. Shri Mataji has never ever said to tape the mouth of a child!!! She may have asked parents to please quieten a child, but She never has said to put a tape on the mouth of a child. This is what i mean, when i say that leaders put their own words in their own mouth, and think they 'show Shri Mataji'. We can see the outcome today, of their lack of understanding; the SYSSR, with its imposed external do's and don'ts, which Shri Mataji never even wanted 'put into a book'! But the Subtle System Yogis insisted that She do so, so She relented. However, they have made it their religion now, without understanding Her Full Message, which i never heard in Sahaj Collectives. It was never discussed. This is why many remain ignorant of the Last Judgment and Resurrection Message. So they keep others ignorant too. It is endemic. The subtle system reigns, and that's it. As for Mrs. Chitnavis, i know parents did not like her either. They thought her a 'hard woman' and not the type you would want your children looked after by. As for Yogi Mahajan, i remember his demi-God status. We heard nothing but 'YM this; YM that' at times. Even i became enamoured, until i heard he was dismissed, and then i further found out his 'true colors' from your forum, Jagbir. i was astounded. So leaders today, are not leaders tomorrow. Leaders have been shown to be a maya in Sahaja Yoga, because in Sahaja Yoga the true leader is your Self, but for that, you first have to Realise the Self, which is what Self-Realisation really means, in the end. Also it seems that in the 'organisation' of Sahaja Yoga, that there is this 'instant karma' whereby as soon as someone is showing their control over others, they soon become control freaks. Perhaps it is an 'instant karma' that happens, because we are talking of Union with the Divine here, and any fanatics and control freaks, immediately get thrown out of the Kingdom of God, which does not tolerate such behaviour. i am glad we are gathering together in Spirit, all of us. Nobody can impose upon us. We have the spiritual liberty. We can meditate and be in Union with the Divine Within at all times. We can do everything necessary to aid the Kingdom of God. It does not require outer temples, but our inner temple, to do the Holy Spirit's bidding. i remind that Shri Mataji said that if we did not give Her Message from within the organisation, that it would be given from without the organisation. i also remember that She said that what is not truth, will be destroyed by the Truth. We have a lot of hope to transform this world with Her Message, given from outside the organisation. Jai Shri Mataji! violet " Every human being can arrive at this natural state of new awareness and inner balance and quickly become his own master. Sahaja Yoga is not an organization, a club or a spiritual congregation - it is a state of being and a real spontaneous experience. Self-Realization and all the teachings of Sahaja Yoga are free of charge. " www.sahajbangalore.tripod.com/ NOTE: Unfortunately, since the SY organisation are controlling Her Message to their advantage, instead of giving it like Shri Mataji gave it, the freedom of expression of Sahaja Yogis in the organisation, over the internet, has been restricted. The above quote from 'sahajbangalore tripod' can no longer be accessed, as John Noyce and co-religionists of the SYSSR have worked hard to silence the individual voice of the Sahaja Yogi, declaring them an 'unofficial voice' as far as the internet is concerned. So we can thank God that Jagbir has preserved this record for posterity to witness the atrocities that WCASY are doing to the individual SY voice. Shri Mataji gave full permission to real Sahaja Yogis to declare with their own voice and this includes the right to declare over the internet for the public to see. Their voice is consistent as long as it is what Shri Mataji taught, so there is no problem. Here you will find the quote above, preserved for the public knowledge, at the right hand column in the grey boxes, in the last paragraph of the 9th from the bottom grey box, in this URL: http://www.adishakti.org/lectures_to_earth.htm In this grey box area you will also see the quotes of individual Sahaja Yogis, that they have given re what Shri Mataji has given. ---In , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: > > > > > Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in > > general. As mentioned before i have many horror stories to tell > > about my short 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would not > > wish on anyone. > > > > i had a number of horrible experiences with senior SYs. One of the > worst was when this Montreal senior SY exclaimed loudly after a group > meditation that i tape the mouth of my few-months-old daughter Lalita > as she was crying (perhaps because she was hungry or needed a diaper > change). i was compelled to angrily confront his unwarranted but > abundant outpouring of Sahaj Love. (He had earlier requested during a > national pre-puja meeting that a havan be made of all my religious/ > spiritual books, in my presence. The reason: they were written by > so-called false gurus. i was publicly humiliated and made to look > like a possessed neophyte in the company of great souls, and had to > be cleansed of negativity with their Sahaj Love. i told them under no > circumstance will they touch my books, no matter who wrote them.) > > i have more Sahaj Love stories but will share them over time in small > doses. An overdose of Sahaj Love in a single post can be fatal, > especially if received from leaders or senior SYs! As Blase correctly > observed " The people who do the using and the abusing are held up as > being wonderful SYs! " Yes, world leader Yogi Mahajan was a demi-god > in Sahaja Yoga who for months mentally and verbally abused my > children through his pawn and principal of the International Sahaja > Public School, Mrs. Chitnavis. Reason for the sustained abuse: to > force a possessed Kash (evil spirits were causing him to meet the > Golden Goddess in his Sahasrara) to leave the school voluntarily. > > And when that failed Yogi Mahajan and Mrs. Chitnavis devised a most > deceitful and damaging propaganda campaign. Only those with satanic > minds can devise such plans to delibrately assassinate and destroy the > good name and character of innocent children. This diabolical duo > were held in high esteem in the Sahaja Yoga organization by the rank > and file! North American leaders and SYs were delighted by Yogi > Mahajan's reasons and success in expelling Kash from ISPS, India. > > i must stop here as too much Sahaj Love can be fatal. > > > ----------------------------- > > Dear All, > > Appended below is yet another sad, sad story that is typical of SY > collectives that i can relate to. i have repeated a number of times > that had it not been for my children i would have left Sahaja Yoga > very quickly. In fact i would never have joined in the first place. > It is the abuse and ignorance that is most shocking. My children and > myself have many horror stories that we will never forget for the > rest of our lives. We are so happy to have left and continued on our > own. And only after leaving was i able to rid myself of all the > conditioning rituals that are the sacred cows of the SYSSR. > > The official SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) is hardly any > different from other chakra and kundalini based schools. Few stay to > find out what it is really about. Of the few who stay most eventually > leave, even after a decade or two. This common trend has been well- > known in SY circles, irreversible despite all the massive effort of > tens of thousands of SYs over the decades. Thus, after Shri Mataji`s > Mahasamadhi there is absolutely no hope for the SY organization. > > The overriding cause for the whole abysmal failure = honesty. > Without question the official editing out of Shri Mataji`s Divine > Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection is largely responsible > for the lack of faith, a severe deficiency that rids seekers even > after years inside the SY organization (story below). And without the > evidence given at http://www.adishakti.org/ and affiliated websites > there is also no hope of seekers believing in Her Divine Message. > > The secondary reason for the failure is the official claim that Shri > Mataji is God and compulsory meditation on Her photograph. Shri > Mataji has NEVER claimed Herself to be God but Adi Shakti (and that > also as an incarnation). And when you have no evidence, other than > cool breeze and `miracle photos', to back that flawed " God " claim > others see Sahaja Yoga as a cult, and rightfully so. And with Sir > C.P. making Shri Mataji's medical file public, an irresponsible act > that clearly violates human dignity, that claim is now an acute > embarrassment and permanent yoke on the organization. (Did Sir C.P. > ever introspect the dire consequences of his intentions and the > damage it will inflict on Shri Mataji's reputation and legacy, > especially since She had explicitly barred anyone from medicating > Her?) > > Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in general. > As mentioned before i have many horror stories to tell about my short > 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would not wish on anyone. > And if you add the fanaticism, absurd fears, daily rituals, ceaseless > catches, avidya and what not, Self-realization is difficult and > superficial at best. That SYs need Shri Mataji's photograph for > meditation rests my case, an unforgivable sin for fools like Alan > Wherry, Ed Saugstad, John Noyce, to name a few of the crème de la > crème of `senior SYs' in charge of spreading Sahaja Yoga. > > i keep saying that the SY camel will have to eventually drink the > water of truth, or else waste away and die. So it does not matter how > many SYs get angry that we are publicly criticizing WCASY, Sir C.P > and the SY organization in general. Better that bitter medicine now > than a dead camel soon. > > regards to all, > > jagbir > > > > > > Blase > Sun Dec 2, 2007 5:48 pm > > > Dear Jlioew > > I asked you the question about your age and time in SY to determine > if you were some innocent young person. I was a SY for over 13 years > and I am in my fifties. You speak to everyone in here as if we have > not been SY - why is this? > > Meditation works as it gives the mind & body a rest. I practised > another perfectly harmless technique for 20 years before I came to SY > where I was told that it was the most evil technique one could > possibly practice; that the person who started it was a rakshasa etc. > This technique involves reciting a very simple mantra; mine sounds > much like " eema " . I had experienced bliss and pure consciousness for > many years and was very happy but I did not regard myself > as " enlightened " . > > I only went along to the first SY program to keep a friend company > and I was lured in by the notion that I was going to become > enlightened. I became hypnotised by the photos of SM and fell in love > with what I thought was her but was in reality only her photo; and a > photo of a very young person. Many of us would be regarded as > captivating with divine like qualities from photos of us in our youth > when we had good looks, intelligence and wonderful health etc. > > The happiness came from the fact that my mind and body were getting > deep rest as I was still meditating in some way; that I was actually > in love with SM's photo who I mistakenly thought was God on earth, > and I enjoyed the friendship and company of others who were > meditating and " in Love " with SM's photo; as well as the enjoyment of > singing and listening to beautiful music as well as sharing a belief > system that appeared to be so wonderful. > > On the flip side, I felt guilty if I was late for the programmes > which I usually was as I had too many other people in my life to care > for, and I had ridiculous fights with people that were either leaders > or other yogis; people I would not ever have become friends with > outside SY. The fights were so illogical and irrational and > ridiculous that it makes me sad and makes me laugh. I remember saying > to one of these people; " my friends outside would never treat me like > this or speak to me like this! " I would not have tolerated being > emotionally abused and used by anyone else outside of SY but I HAD TO > PUT UP WITH IT INSIDE SY! The people who do the using and the abusing > are held up as being wonderful SYs! > > I could not seee the benefits in people's lives; I became very poor > over the time in SY and very fat and finally I started going in to a > trance when doing affirmations with my eyes open when looking at SM > photo. I was once in a trance for five hours and could not do my > work. The yogi in our area that was regarded as the best SY was in > fact known within the community as a scatterbrained person who used > everybody for money etc. We had new people coming to our group and > pointing out exactly the latter. Our little group disintergrated and > we all feel much better for it. > > I left in June 2007 after finding this site by accident and I don't > have to put up with these people using and abusing me and I can > meditate whenever I like, however I like and enjoy the benefits and I > don't have to worship anyone. I still enjoy the company of those who > left at the same time as me and we just laugh and wonder how we could > have been so stupid to have been lured into what is in fact a > ridiculous cult worshipping a silly old lady as God!!! > > Love Blase > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Dear Semira and All, Jagbir has told us many times that he and his family have overcome the bad treatment received collectively, in that they are much happier out of the organisation, and can do the work for Shri Mataji from outside the organisation. Hearing the unhappy experiences of others, does bring back memories. Jagbir recounted about how a senior SY told him to tape the mouth of baby Lalita. This is not a nice thing to say to anyone, let alone a fellow SY. It is a dry, highly insensitive comment to make to anyone with a baby that is crying, and to say it right in front of all others in a group, makes it not only insensitive, but highly embarrassing. But in a Sahaj Group, the purportedly highest spiritual beings on Earth, it is virtually unforgiveable, in comparison. Sahaja Yogis are supposed to be the most highly spiritual, therefore the most sensitive people to other's feelings, which is what Sahaj Love is 'in action'. However, my observation is that there are real Sahaja Yogis, and those who just carry the 'title' of Sahaja Yogi, but their actions show otherwise. Their actions show they are worse than most non-Sahaja Yogis. It is the same as Christians and christians. Lots of people call themselves Christians, but are not christian in their behaviour. It is no different for a Sahaja Yogi. Lots of people call themselves Sahaja Yogis, but are not sahaja yogi. i hope this helps. with love, violet , " caraleen98 " <caraleen98 wrote: > > Dear Jagbir, > People have treated you and your children badly because of jealousy. > Hopefully your family has been able to overcome the hurt that has > been caused them. > Love, Semira > > , " jagbir singh " > <adishakti_org@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in > > > general. As mentioned before i have many horror stories to tell > > > about my short 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would > not > > > wish on anyone. > > > > > > > i had a number of horrible experiences with senior SYs. One of the > > worst was when this Montreal senior SY exclaimed loudly after a > group > > meditation that i tape the mouth of my few-months-old daughter > Lalita > > as she was crying (perhaps because she was hungry or needed a > diaper > > change). i was compelled to angrily confront his unwarranted but > > abundant outpouring of Sahaj Love. (He had earlier requested > during a > > national pre-puja meeting that a havan be made of all my religious/ > > spiritual books, in my presence. The reason: they were written by > > so-called false gurus. i was publicly humiliated and made to look > > like a possessed neophyte in the company of great souls, and had to > > be cleansed of negativity with their Sahaj Love. i told them under > no > > circumstance will they touch my books, no matter who wrote them.) > > > > i have more Sahaj Love stories but will share them over time in > small > > doses. An overdose of Sahaj Love in a single post can be fatal, > > especially if received from leaders or senior SYs! As Blase > correctly > > observed " The people who do the using and the abusing are held up > as > > being wonderful SYs! " Yes, world leader Yogi Mahajan was a demi- god > > in Sahaja Yoga who for months mentally and verbally abused my > > children through his pawn and principal of the International Sahaja > > Public School, Mrs. Chitnavis. Reason for the sustained abuse: to > > force a possessed Kash (evil spirits were causing him to meet the > > Golden Goddess in his Sahasrara) to leave the school voluntarily. > > > > And when that failed Yogi Mahajan and Mrs. Chitnavis devised a most > > deceitful and damaging propaganda campaign. Only those with satanic > > minds can devise such plans to delibrately assassinate and destroy > the > > good name and character of innocent children. This diabolical duo > > were held in high esteem in the Sahaja Yoga organization by the > rank > > and file! North American leaders and SYs were delighted by Yogi > > Mahajan's reasons and success in expelling Kash from ISPS, India. > > > > i must stop here as too much Sahaj Love can be fatal. > > > > > > ----------------------------- > > > > Dear All, > > > > Appended below is yet another sad, sad story that is typical of SY > > collectives that i can relate to. i have repeated a number of times > > that had it not been for my children i would have left Sahaja Yoga > > very quickly. In fact i would never have joined in the first place. > > It is the abuse and ignorance that is most shocking. My children > and > > myself have many horror stories that we will never forget for the > > rest of our lives. We are so happy to have left and continued on > our > > own. And only after leaving was i able to rid myself of all the > > conditioning rituals that are the sacred cows of the SYSSR. > > > > The official SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) is hardly > any > > different from other chakra and kundalini based schools. Few stay > to > > find out what it is really about. Of the few who stay most > eventually > > leave, even after a decade or two. This common trend has been well- > > known in SY circles, irreversible despite all the massive effort of > > tens of thousands of SYs over the decades. Thus, after Shri > Mataji`s > > Mahasamadhi there is absolutely no hope for the SY organization. > > > > The overriding cause for the whole abysmal failure = honesty. > > Without question the official editing out of Shri Mataji`s Divine > > Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection is largely > responsible > > for the lack of faith, a severe deficiency that rids seekers even > > after years inside the SY organization (story below). And without > the > > evidence given at http://www.adishakti.org/ and affiliated websites > > there is also no hope of seekers believing in Her Divine Message. > > > > The secondary reason for the failure is the official claim that > Shri > > Mataji is God and compulsory meditation on Her photograph. Shri > > Mataji has NEVER claimed Herself to be God but Adi Shakti (and that > > also as an incarnation). And when you have no evidence, other than > > cool breeze and `miracle photos', to back that flawed " God " claim > > others see Sahaja Yoga as a cult, and rightfully so. And with Sir > > C.P. making Shri Mataji's medical file public, an irresponsible act > > that clearly violates human dignity, that claim is now an acute > > embarrassment and permanent yoke on the organization. (Did Sir C.P. > > ever introspect the dire consequences of his intentions and the > > damage it will inflict on Shri Mataji's reputation and legacy, > > especially since She had explicitly barred anyone from medicating > > Her?) > > > > Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in > general. > > As mentioned before i have many horror stories to tell about my > short > > 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would not wish on anyone. > > And if you add the fanaticism, absurd fears, daily rituals, > ceaseless > > catches, avidya and what not, Self-realization is difficult and > > superficial at best. That SYs need Shri Mataji's photograph for > > meditation rests my case, an unforgivable sin for fools like Alan > > Wherry, Ed Saugstad, John Noyce, to name a few of the crème de la > > crème of `senior SYs' in charge of spreading Sahaja Yoga. > > > > i keep saying that the SY camel will have to eventually drink the > > water of truth, or else waste away and die. So it does not matter > how > > many SYs get angry that we are publicly criticizing WCASY, Sir C.P > > and the SY organization in general. Better that bitter medicine now > > than a dead camel soon. > > > > regards to all, > > > > jagbir > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- - > > > > Blase > > Sun Dec 2, 2007 5:48 pm > > > > > > Dear Jlioew > > > > I asked you the question about your age and time in SY to determine > > if you were some innocent young person. I was a SY for over 13 > years > > and I am in my fifties. You speak to everyone in here as if we have > > not been SY - why is this? > > > > Meditation works as it gives the mind & body a rest. I practised > > another perfectly harmless technique for 20 years before I came to > SY > > where I was told that it was the most evil technique one could > > possibly practice; that the person who started it was a rakshasa > etc. > > This technique involves reciting a very simple mantra; mine sounds > > much like " eema " . I had experienced bliss and pure consciousness > for > > many years and was very happy but I did not regard myself > > as " enlightened " . > > > > I only went along to the first SY program to keep a friend company > > and I was lured in by the notion that I was going to become > > enlightened. I became hypnotised by the photos of SM and fell in > love > > with what I thought was her but was in reality only her photo; and > a > > photo of a very young person. Many of us would be regarded as > > captivating with divine like qualities from photos of us in our > youth > > when we had good looks, intelligence and wonderful health etc. > > > > The happiness came from the fact that my mind and body were getting > > deep rest as I was still meditating in some way; that I was > actually > > in love with SM's photo who I mistakenly thought was God on earth, > > and I enjoyed the friendship and company of others who were > > meditating and " in Love " with SM's photo; as well as the enjoyment > of > > singing and listening to beautiful music as well as sharing a > belief > > system that appeared to be so wonderful. > > > > On the flip side, I felt guilty if I was late for the programmes > > which I usually was as I had too many other people in my life to > care > > for, and I had ridiculous fights with people that were either > leaders > > or other yogis; people I would not ever have become friends with > > outside SY. The fights were so illogical and irrational and > > ridiculous that it makes me sad and makes me laugh. I remember > saying > > to one of these people; " my friends outside would never treat me > like > > this or speak to me like this! " I would not have tolerated being > > emotionally abused and used by anyone else outside of SY but I HAD > TO > > PUT UP WITH IT INSIDE SY! The people who do the using and the > abusing > > are held up as being wonderful SYs! > > > > I could not seee the benefits in people's lives; I became very poor > > over the time in SY and very fat and finally I started going in to > a > > trance when doing affirmations with my eyes open when looking at SM > > photo. I was once in a trance for five hours and could not do my > > work. The yogi in our area that was regarded as the best SY was in > > fact known within the community as a scatterbrained person who used > > everybody for money etc. We had new people coming to our group and > > pointing out exactly the latter. Our little group disintergrated > and > > we all feel much better for it. > > > > I left in June 2007 after finding this site by accident and I don't > > have to put up with these people using and abusing me and I can > > meditate whenever I like, however I like and enjoy the benefits > and I > > don't have to worship anyone. I still enjoy the company of those > who > > left at the same time as me and we just laugh and wonder how we > could > > have been so stupid to have been lured into what is in fact a > > ridiculous cult worshipping a silly old lady as God!!! > > > > Love Blase > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Dear Semira, Violet and All, If the abuse does not stop after years of silence and toleration divorce is the only way to find peace of mind and get on with your spiritual journey and task at hand. And if they still try to abuse and harass you despite the divorve then you have to take off your gloves. Sfacets, John Noyce, Alan Wherry, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj, Yogi Mahajan and Mrs. Chitnavis are just casualties of their own aggression towards my children or myself. Most are just plain jealous or ignorant. But i was happily drinking and smoking my life away, as had been the norm since the 60s, before the clear call came late 1993 to join Shri Mataji. i did, and the rest is history. Sfacets, John Noyce, Alan Wherry, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj, Yogi Mahajan and Mrs. Chitnavis should blame Shri Mataji, Shri Ganesha and the Paramchaitanya for triggering all the events that took place till date. Despite the repeated failure of SY leaders over the years to elicit any form of negative comment from Shri Mataji, there is still time to make Her issue a confession that my children were indeed possessed by evil spirits ........ and that She was lying all the while. Maybe the Devi within too will repent and apologize to Kash, Arwinder and Lalita. Why pick on a night-soil carrier like me who is just performing his assigned duty? regards, jagbir , " Violet " <violet.tubb wrote: > > Dear Semira and All, > > Jagbir has told us many times that he and his family have overcome the bad treatment received collectively, in that they are much happier out of the organisation, and can do the work for Shri Mataji from outside the organisation. Hearing the unhappy experiences of others, does bring back memories. Jagbir recounted about how a senior SY told him to tape the mouth of baby Lalita. This is not a nice thing to say to anyone, let alone a fellow SY. It is a dry, highly insensitive comment to make to anyone with a baby that is crying, and to say it right in front of all others in a group, makes it not only insensitive, but highly embarrassing. > > But in a Sahaj Group, the purportedly highest spiritual beings on Earth, it is virtually unforgiveable, in comparison. Sahaja Yogis are supposed to be the most highly spiritual, therefore the most sensitive people to other's feelings, which is what Sahaj Love is 'in action'. However, my observation is that there are real Sahaja Yogis, and those who just carry the 'title' of Sahaja Yogi, but their actions show otherwise. Their actions show they are worse than most non-Sahaja Yogis. It is the same as Christians and christians. Lots of people call themselves Christians, but are not christian in their behaviour. It is no different for a Sahaja Yogi. Lots of people call themselves Sahaja Yogis, but are not sahaja yogi. > > i hope this helps. > > with love, > > violet > > > > , > " caraleen98 " <caraleen98@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jagbir, > > People have treated you and your children badly because of > jealousy. > > Hopefully your family has been able to overcome the hurt that has > > been caused them. > > Love, Semira > > > > , " jagbir singh " > > <adishakti_org@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in > > > > general. As mentioned before i have many horror stories to tell > > > > about my short 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would > > not > > > > wish on anyone. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Dear Jagbir (and All), You definitely were not only " called " , but " chosen " by Shri Mataji to do the work you are doing, with children born to " give evidence of Her Incarnation " - that Hers is a true Incarnation. She called you to " Join Shri Mataji " in 1993. The date of 1993 brings an interesting co-incidence for me. If you recall, i heard Shri Mataji say in 1994, at Sydney Airport, that children from Montreal would " give evidence of Her Incarnation. Well, it was only in 1993 (here we go with dates again!) that i am sure it was i had my self-realisation. Just to calculate, i know that i did not come to Sahaja Yoga until after Peter and i were married, which was in 1991, and i don't think i came to the Free Meditation Classes in a yogi's home until either end of 1992/early 1993. So what i am saying is that it is interesting that i also came to SY around the time you did, and that we are now working together - and with others too, of course. But what i am saying is that i also feel i have been led to Her, and that She has expected me to stand up for Her Message throughout, regardless of what others have decided to do - and to hold in everyone's attention, what She has given, which includes reminding them about Shri Mataji's Message of the " special children " in 1994, even though everyone else has either not known about it, genuinely forgotten it, or deliberately forgotten it. (My mentioning it, must have " surely " stirred some memories of those maybe 100 or so people who were there). But then, maybe still most SYs do not realise its eschatological significance and its long-term spiritual importance. As for the SYSSR and WCASY, they will never need this evidence, because the SYSSR is not about the Christian Comforter and Her Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. They can just continue on, divorced from any eschatological necessity. All they need is the Subtle System, Chakra, and Meditation Information, which other groups also have, similar to that. However, what we are preserving, nobody else has, Jagbir. It is the most precious Gift to Humanity that She has given, which we can proclaim without any opposition and interference. It is much more than a mere subtle system message, or even a meditation message, or even a chakra cleansing message. It is not less than the Message of " the Divine Within " , and " Realising the Self in Silence " . Jagbir, we know for sure; we don't guess about these things. We have the evidence. We have seen, and heard Her Words. There is no doubt. The more others want to sow seeds of doubt, the more determined we are to get Her Message out there. Thanks for being the Spiritual Warrior that you are. You will never be forgotten in the annals of spiritual history, even though you are being 'pooh-poohed' by the priests and scribes. But then 'what's new?'. They pooh-poohed all the others too. So may the Mother prevail, as we know She will! with recognition and humility, violet , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: > > Dear Semira, Violet and All, > > If the abuse does not stop after years of silence and toleration > divorce is the only way to find peace of mind and get on with your > spiritual journey and task at hand. > > And if they still try to abuse and harass you despite the divorve > then you have to take off your gloves. Sfacets, John Noyce, Alan > Wherry, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj, Yogi Mahajan and Mrs. Chitnavis > are just casualties of their own aggression towards my children or > myself. Most are just plain jealous or ignorant. > > But i was happily drinking and smoking my life away, as had been the > norm since the 60s, before the clear call came late 1993 to join Shri > Mataji. i did, and the rest is history. Sfacets, John Noyce, Alan > Wherry, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj, Yogi Mahajan and Mrs. Chitnavis > should blame Shri Mataji, Shri Ganesha and the Paramchaitanya for > triggering all the events that took place till date. Despite the > repeated failure of SY leaders over the years to elicit any form of > negative comment from Shri Mataji, there is still time to make Her > issue a confession that my children were indeed possessed by evil > spirits ........ and that She was lying all the while. Maybe the Devi > within too will repent and apologize to Kash, Arwinder and Lalita. > Why pick on a night-soil carrier like me who is just performing his > assigned duty? > > regards, > > jagbir > > > , " Violet " > <violet.tubb@> wrote: > > > > Dear Semira and All, > > > > Jagbir has told us many times that he and his family have overcome > the bad treatment received collectively, in that they are much > happier out of the organisation, and can do the work for Shri Mataji > from outside the organisation. Hearing the unhappy experiences of > others, does bring back memories. Jagbir recounted about how a senior > SY told him to tape the mouth of baby Lalita. This is not a nice > thing to say to anyone, let alone a fellow SY. It is a dry, highly > insensitive comment to make to anyone with a baby that is crying, and > to say it right in front of all others in a group, makes it not only > insensitive, but highly embarrassing. > > > > But in a Sahaj Group, the purportedly highest spiritual beings on > Earth, it is virtually unforgiveable, in comparison. Sahaja Yogis are > supposed to be the most highly spiritual, therefore the most > sensitive people to other's feelings, which is what Sahaj Love is 'in > action'. However, my observation is that there are real Sahaja Yogis, > and those who just carry the 'title' of Sahaja Yogi, but their > actions show otherwise. Their actions show they are worse than most > non-Sahaja Yogis. It is the same as Christians and christians. Lots > of people call themselves Christians, but are not christian in their > behaviour. It is no different for a Sahaja Yogi. Lots of people call > themselves Sahaja Yogis, but are not sahaja yogi. > > > > i hope this helps. > > > > with love, > > > > violet > > > > > > > > , > > " caraleen98 " <caraleen98@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jagbir, > > > People have treated you and your children badly because of > > jealousy. > > > Hopefully your family has been able to overcome the hurt that has > > > been caused them. > > > Love, Semira > > > > > > , " jagbir singh " > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in > > > > > general. As mentioned before i have many horror stories to > tell > > > > > about my short 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would > > > not > > > > > wish on anyone. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: Despite the repeated failure of SY leaders over the years to elicit any form of negative comment from Shri Mataji, there is still time to make Her issue a confession that my children were indeed possessed by evil spirits ........ and that She was lying all the while. Maybe the Devi within too will repent and apologize to Kash, Arwinder and Lalita. Why pick on a night-soil carrier like me who is just performing his assigned duty? Dear Jagbir (and All), i agree. Surely all of WCASY combined, who state they now are Her Will - surely they must then be able to talk to Shri Mataji, who is still in Her physical body, and sort out this matter - that they think She made a mistake when She said you were doing a good job. They could approach Her, and put a stop to your work, by having Her write in HER OWN HANDWRITING: " Stop, Jagbir, you are causing Sahaja Yoga a lot of trouble! " Why don't they ask Her then, while the cameras are rolling too, so that all the Sahaja Yogis (including us of course who are Sahaja Yogis outside of the organisation) and all the legal experts too, can see and hear from Her Own Mouth, what She would say. What i am saying is that if they really think you are in the wrong, Jagbir, why don't they settle the matter honestly, by once again approaching Shri Mataji. Here are my opinions, why i think they won't/can't do it: 1./ They are afraid to ask Her about you, once again, because deep in their hearts, they are afraid to offend Her. 2./ They have deceived themselves on this issue, and therefore lack the confidence to ask Her, once again, just in case they're wrong. 3./ What if She tells them what they don't want to hear, once again? What happens then? 4./ They don't want to make a fool of themselves, and i can understand that it is not nice to feel like a fool, especially in front of about 20,000 yogis in the organisation of Sahaj. 5./ Here is an unusual reason - Maybe Shri Mataji is preventing them from asking Her. Maybe She wants a drama of major proportions, but let me explain: As said, my guess is that they won't be upfront, courageous, and honest about this whole drama. But still, the Truth will keep on exposing all that is 'not Truth'. After all, this is the Devi's Great Drama of Worldwide Emancipation. It is a live drama of universal dimension, which is involving more and more people in it, all the while. She seems to want everyone involved in this Drama of Sahaja Yoga, whatever it takes. You cannot say it is not a BIG DRAMA! i mean, look at poor Wikipedia, who is certainly getting a headache of major proportions in the Editing Department from the Scribes backed by the Priests, LOL! Look at the priests and scribes in the organisation of Sahaja Yoga, and how they are limiting Her Message once again, the Realised Souls who are having to make unprecedented spiritual choice to follow Shri Mataji or to follow the priestly class once again, the media, the music, the art, the eschatology, the special children who are angels incarnated that have given evidence to confirm Her Incarnation, the photographs of Shri Mataji showing the Great Light around Her, the life-changing transformation of many souls, the dramatic letters She has written, Her ability to say opposite things, to cover all contingencies, Her Motherly Ways, the Great Love we all feel from Her, Her worldly connections - being on the 'World Stage', the astrological charts, Her sense of humour, Her calling certain individuals to do Her Great Work with Her - Her asking all Sahaja Yogis to do Her Great Work. It is obvious Her Spiritual Drama of Sahaja Yoga was never going to be contained by a staid, confined, organisation, which was just needed to ground Sahaja Yoga on Earth - but it was destined to become a living spiritual Organism that would infuse new life into spiritual seekers and others wanting it, into all existing religions, into all existing institutions, and you can already see the seeds starting to sprout. The global spiritual consciousness as a whole, is changing away from the material to the more spiritual outlook. So when Her Drama becomes even more intense, lets remember that there has to be an unprecedented ending to it too. We only know that the Devi and All Her Angels, and Spiritual Forces will win. We just don't know all the dramas that are going to happen along the way. So lets continue to appreciate that though we are all players in this great Drama, it is still Her Play - and we are privileged to be the early - the first players. There are others to follow us, i am sure of that. She has spoken about future Sahaja Yogis, who will look back at the first Sahaja Yogis, what they have done. So lets enjoy the continuation of Her Play, which can never - no never, be contained by the priests and scribes of Sahaja Yoga. Even while She is yet in Her physical body, in this Divine Incarnational Round, Her Continued Message of Christ's Last Judgment and Resurrection is already out there over the internet, thanks to http://www.adishakti.org/ - and never to be contained within the secret confines of an 'exclusive' Sahaj Organisation, ruled by priests and scribes. So let the Play, Her Great Drama continue, which is without doubt a most exciting drama, with all the elements in it, that make for a 'Must See'. Yes, the Devi is making sure that Her Divine Drama does not end in a quiet whimper. We can see that now. She is breaking all the rules of the priest, scribes, and churches. How they thought they would ever contain Her and Her Message, is beyond me, LOL! Jai Shri Mataji and regards to all, violet > Dear Semira, Violet and All, > > If the abuse does not stop after years of silence and toleration > divorce is the only way to find peace of mind and get on with your > spiritual journey and task at hand. > > And if they still try to abuse and harass you despite the divorve > then you have to take off your gloves. Sfacets, John Noyce, Alan > Wherry, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj, Yogi Mahajan and Mrs. Chitnavis > are just casualties of their own aggression towards my children or > myself. Most are just plain jealous or ignorant. > > But i was happily drinking and smoking my life away, as had been the > norm since the 60s, before the clear call came late 1993 to join Shri > Mataji. i did, and the rest is history. Sfacets, John Noyce, Alan > Wherry, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj, Yogi Mahajan and Mrs. Chitnavis > should blame Shri Mataji, Shri Ganesha and the Paramchaitanya for > triggering all the events that took place till date. Despite the > repeated failure of SY leaders over the years to elicit any form of > negative comment from Shri Mataji, there is still time to make Her > issue a confession that my children were indeed possessed by evil > spirits ........ and that She was lying all the while. Maybe the Devi > within too will repent and apologize to Kash, Arwinder and Lalita. > Why pick on a night-soil carrier like me who is just performing his > assigned duty? > > regards, > > jagbir > > > , " Violet " > <violet.tubb@> wrote: > > > > Dear Semira and All, > > > > Jagbir has told us many times that he and his family have overcome > the bad treatment received collectively, in that they are much > happier out of the organisation, and can do the work for Shri Mataji > from outside the organisation. Hearing the unhappy experiences of > others, does bring back memories. Jagbir recounted about how a senior > SY told him to tape the mouth of baby Lalita. This is not a nice > thing to say to anyone, let alone a fellow SY. It is a dry, highly > insensitive comment to make to anyone with a baby that is crying, and > to say it right in front of all others in a group, makes it not only > insensitive, but highly embarrassing. > > > > But in a Sahaj Group, the purportedly highest spiritual beings on > Earth, it is virtually unforgiveable, in comparison. Sahaja Yogis are > supposed to be the most highly spiritual, therefore the most > sensitive people to other's feelings, which is what Sahaj Love is 'in > action'. However, my observation is that there are real Sahaja Yogis, > and those who just carry the 'title' of Sahaja Yogi, but their > actions show otherwise. Their actions show they are worse than most > non-Sahaja Yogis. It is the same as Christians and christians. Lots > of people call themselves Christians, but are not christian in their > behaviour. It is no different for a Sahaja Yogi. Lots of people call > themselves Sahaja Yogis, but are not sahaja yogi. > > > > i hope this helps. > > > > with love, > > > > violet > > > > > > > > , > > " caraleen98 " <caraleen98@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jagbir, > > > People have treated you and your children badly because of > > jealousy. > > > Hopefully your family has been able to overcome the hurt that has > > > been caused them. > > > Love, Semira > > > > > > , " jagbir singh " > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then we have the attitude of leaders in particular and SY in > > > > > general. As mentioned before i have many horror stories to > tell > > > > > about my short 7-year stay in Sahaja Yoga, misfortunes i would > > > not > > > > > wish on anyone. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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