Deceitful and disruptive bully, John Noyce, banned for threatening Wikipedia

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> I have protected this article due to the edit warring. Guy (Help!)

> 18:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

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> it should be noted that this 'impartial' Admin protected the page

> only after the negative material was reinserted by Simon D M. Looks

> like legal action against Wikipedia will be needed. What say

> others? Sahajhist 21:46, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

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Sahajhist (talk • contribs • block logauto;confirmed socks suspected

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Sock tags

Why are you deleting the sock tags from the user pages? It's standard

practice to label them. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 16:52, 12 December 2007

(UTC)

 

these user ids are not being used, are they Mark? Sahajhist 21:28, 12

December 2007 (UTC)

 

No legal threats

Your recent edits could give editors of Wikipedia the impression that

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against Wikipedia itself. Please note that this is strictly

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resolution. (Please remove the threat of legal action made in this

edit:[1].) ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

 

you can block me if you like Mark, but other meditation practitioners

will take my place. If pages are going to be permanently edit

protected then legal action is very definately an option, and any

bullying by yourself would be duly noted, most probably under your

real name. Sahajhist 22:16, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

 

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing in accordance with

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Request reason: " Mark A York this is your life! We can be civil to

each other within Wikipedia or legalistic outside. Your choice buddy. "

 

Decline reason: " WP:LEGAL is quite clear. Withdraw the legal threats

or stay indefinitely blocked. — BLACKKITE 07:39, 13 December 2007

(UTC) "

 

lawyers are being briefed. Sahajhist 08:05, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Please email unblock-en-l if you would like to

request an unblock. 68.193.198.41 (talk) 08:20, 13 December 2007

(UTC)

Legal threats are not permitted. You should consider yourself banned

until such threats are withdrawn. Guy (Help!) 17:34, 13 December 2007

(UTC)

 

Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sahajhist "

 

 

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Dear Violet and All,

 

i checked to follow up on John Noyce's Wikipedia deception and, to my

surprise, the thread has been deleted. i have thus realized that we

have been very lucky indeed to catch John Noyce red-handed. (i use

" we " because Violet was the one who first alerted me to John Noyce

and Sfacets editing out http://www.adishakti.org from Wikipedia.)

 

In the first place, you must join just as the comments are posted.

Then there is a narrow timeframe to copy them as John Noyce deletes

the incriminating evidence almost immediately. Indeed we have been so

fortunate to have nabbed him. Something just made me check Wikipedia

in the nick of time.

 

i have also found out something about Wikipedia's Checkuser:

 

" Checkuser

Wikipedia operates a process known as Checkuser to identify some sock

puppets in certain cases. Where it is unclear whether or not sock

puppetry is in progress, server log information can be consulted. To

comply with Wikimedia Foundation privacy policy, this is limited to a

handful of users with checkuser privilege and only done in serious

cases, with reasonable cause, to check if user A is the same as user

B based upon some evidence. "

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry

 

Having access to Checkuser is something like obtaining a search

warrant from a judge. You are only granted if solid evidence of

suspected criminal activity is presented. So in John Noyce's case it

was a slam dunk as Will Beback had a thick dossier on JN's past use of

multiple IDs, a fact that is well-known among those SYs unfortunate to

work with him. (Remember sahaja-yoga-

response/

John Noyce?)

 

>

> Will the organisation ever recover from this deception? i don't

> know for sure. Can integrity yet come out from the younger

> generation, in spite of this 'early deception'? Hasn't everyone's

> hands already been 'thoroughly tied'? i remember a Sahaja Yogini

> telling me that Shri Mataji told her in about the 80's, in

> reference to administration, that: " they will tie everything up! "

>

 

Violet, all your fears will come true if you remain silent. But here

we are not only exposing the bare butts of these deceitful, WCASY-

approved candidates but spanking them sore too. However, it is the

evidence gathered and archived that will turn the tide in future. i

am very sure that Shri Mataji will triumph despite the John Noyces,

Alan Wherrys and Yogi Mahajans within the organization.

 

It is without question that the turning point and force will come

from outside the organization. One day we will all witness the birth

of an organization based on the true, transparent teachings and

Divine Message of Shri Mataji. So do not empower the present deceitful

SYSSR organization in any way. It will only delay the onset of the

Blossom Time that Shri Mataji has so tirelessly campaigned for more

than three decades. How much time does our 84-year-old Divine Mother

still have to see that Dawn of Truth?

 

>

> Shri Mataji said a couple of months ago that if SYM doesn't work in

> America then the whole world will be lost.

>

 

Not only will Sahaja Yoga Meditation not work in America, or anywhere

else for the matter, as long as we have deceitful people running the

organization. Whether it is the false advertisments of the present

Sahaja Yoga organization or the fake IDs of John Noyce, they confirm

a deceitful collective mindset.

 

Main Entry: de·ceit·ful

: having a tendency or disposition to deceive:

a: not honest <a deceitful child>

b: deceptive, misleading <deceitful advertising>

 

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

 

regards to all,

 

jagbir

 

 

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir and self-realised Souls,

>

> Incredible! And this is the very same deceit that is backed by

WCASY. It is also the very same deceit that has been used to prevent

Sahaja Yogis in the organisation, from giving Her Identity, Mission,

and Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection to the world!

Surely, they didn't think they had immunity from exposure, just

because they were very clever, not to mention, deceitful with it!

>

> As you have mentioned, Jagbir, we have known about the multiple

I.D.'s of John Noyce for some time now, but just could not prove it.

But now, thanks to Wikipedia, they have exposed this deception

through the use of CheckUser, and i agree that since this is the

case, John Noyce is impudent to expect you to apologize to him! i

doubt that he will ever apologize to you though, because i don't

think he has that kind of a conscience. It seems he can do anything

in the 'name of WCASY'! Still, i am speechless, that the whole

organisation of Sahaja Yoga has been 'so overcome' through the

manipulation into positions of power, by 'administratively deceptive'

people, claiming to be Sahaja Yogis - but their heart is far from it!

>

> Will the organisation ever recover from this deception? i don't

know for sure. Can integrity yet come out from the younger

generation, in spite of this 'early deception'? Hasn't everyone's

hands already been 'thoroughly tied'? i remember a Sahaja Yogini

telling me that Shri Mataji told her in about the 80's, in reference

to administration, that: " they will tie everything up! "

>

> So what's left now, that they have " tied everything up? " Where has

the integrity of the organisation gone? Of course, this is a

shameful 'eyesore' in the organisation, yet it is only by exposure

that the pus in the wound can be healed - except that we are talking

about a spiritual organisation here! Every organisation needs

honesty, but a spiritual organisation has by its very nature, to be

based on honesty, on integrity! If a spiritual organisation is not

based on honesty, on integrity, what is left of its " spiritual " part?!

>

> regards to all,

>

> violet

>