False advertisments and fake IDs confirm a deceitful collective mindset

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> In the first place, you must join just as the comments are posted.

> Then there is a narrow timeframe to copy them as John Noyce deletes

> the incriminating evidence almost immediately. Indeed we have been

> so fortunate to have nabbed him. Something just made me check

> Wikipedia in the nick of time.

>

 

And here is the Wikipedia evidence of the crafty fox, caught in the

hen house, quickly deleting his tracks as he flees from farmer WB hot

on his tail ........... er, i mean trail.

 

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Sock tags

Why are you deleting the sock tags from the user pages? It's standard

practice to label them. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 16:52, 12 December 2007

(UTC)

 

these user ids are not being used, are they Mark? Sahajhist 21:28, 12

December 2007 (UTC)

 

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jagbir

 

 

 

 

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Dear Violet and All,

 

i checked to follow up on John Noyce's Wikipedia deception and, to my

surprise, the thread has been deleted. i have thus realized that we

have been very lucky indeed to catch John Noyce red-handed. (i use

" we " because Violet was the one who first alerted me to John Noyce

and Sfacets editing out http://www.adishakti.org from Wikipedia.)

 

In the first place, you must join just as the comments are posted.

Then there is a narrow timeframe to copy them as John Noyce deletes

the incriminating evidence almost immediately. Indeed we have been so

fortunate to have nabbed him. Something just made me check Wikipedia

in the nick of time.

 

i have also found out something about Wikipedia's Checkuser:

 

" Checkuser

Wikipedia operates a process known as Checkuser to identify some sock

puppets in certain cases. Where it is unclear whether or not sock

puppetry is in progress, server log information can be consulted. To

comply with Wikimedia Foundation privacy policy, this is limited to a

handful of users with checkuser privilege and only done in serious

cases, with reasonable cause, to check if user A is the same as user

B based upon some evidence. "

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry

 

Having access to Checkuser is something like obtaining a search

warrant from a judge. You are only granted if solid evidence of

suspected criminal activity is presented. So in John Noyce's case it

was a slam dunk as Will Beback had a thick dossier on JN's past use of

multiple IDs, a fact that is well-known among those SYs unfortunate to

work with him. (Remember sahaja-yoga-

response/

John Noyce?)

 

>

> Will the organisation ever recover from this deception? i don't

> know for sure. Can integrity yet come out from the younger

> generation, in spite of this 'early deception'? Hasn't everyone's

> hands already been 'thoroughly tied'? i remember a Sahaja Yogini

> telling me that Shri Mataji told her in about the 80's, in

> reference to administration, that: " they will tie everything up! "

>

 

Violet, all your fears will come true if you remain silent. But here

we are not only exposing the bare butts of these deceitful, WCASY-

approved candidates but spanking them sore too. However, it is the

evidence gathered and archived that will turn the tide in future. i

am very sure that Shri Mataji will triumph despite the John Noyces,

Alan Wherrys and Yogi Mahajans within the organization.

 

It is without question that the turning point and force will come

from outside the organization. One day we will all witness the birth

of an organization based on the true, transparent teachings and

Divine Message of Shri Mataji. So do not empower the present deceitful

SYSSR organization in any way. It will only delay the onset of the

Blossom Time that Shri Mataji has so tirelessly campaigned for more

than three decades. How much time does our 84-year-old Divine Mother

still have to see that Dawn of Truth?

 

>

> Shri Mataji said a couple of months ago that if SYM doesn't work in

> America then the whole world will be lost.

>

 

Not only will Sahaja Yoga Meditation not work in America, or anywhere

else for the matter, as long as we have deceitful people running the

organization. Whether it is the false advertisments of the present

Sahaja Yoga organization or the fake IDs of John Noyce, they confirm

a deceitful collective mindset.

 

Main Entry: de·ceit·ful

: having a tendency or disposition to deceive:

a: not honest <a deceitful child>

b: deceptive, misleading <deceitful advertising>

 

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

 

regards to all,

 

jagbir

 

 

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir and self-realised Souls,

>

> Incredible! And this is the very same deceit that is backed by

WCASY. It is also the very same deceit that has been used to prevent

Sahaja Yogis in the organisation, from giving Her Identity, Mission,

and Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection to the world!

Surely, they didn't think they had immunity from exposure, just

because they were very clever, not to mention, deceitful with it!

>

> As you have mentioned, Jagbir, we have known about the multiple

I.D.'s of John Noyce for some time now, but just could not prove it.

But now, thanks to Wikipedia, they have exposed this deception

through the use of CheckUser, and i agree that since this is the

case, John Noyce is impudent to expect you to apologize to him! i

doubt that he will ever apologize to you though, because i don't

think he has that kind of a conscience. It seems he can do anything

in the 'name of WCASY'! Still, i am speechless, that the whole

organisation of Sahaja Yoga has been 'so overcome' through the

manipulation into positions of power, by 'administratively deceptive'

people, claiming to be Sahaja Yogis - but their heart is far from it!

>

> Will the organisation ever recover from this deception? i don't

know for sure. Can integrity yet come out from the younger

generation, in spite of this 'early deception'? Hasn't everyone's

hands already been 'thoroughly tied'? i remember a Sahaja Yogini

telling me that Shri Mataji told her in about the 80's, in reference

to administration, that: " they will tie everything up! "

>

> So what's left now, that they have " tied everything up? " Where has

the integrity of the organisation gone? Of course, this is a

shameful 'eyesore' in the organisation, yet it is only by exposure

that the pus in the wound can be healed - except that we are talking

about a spiritual organisation here! Every organisation needs

honesty, but a spiritual organisation has by its very nature, to be

based on honesty, on integrity! If a spiritual organisation is not

based on honesty, on integrity, what is left of its " spiritual " part?!

>

> regards to all,

>

> violet

>

>

> -- In , " jagbir

> singh " <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > User talk:Sahajhist

> > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

> > Jump to: navigation, search

> > CheckUser evidence has confirmed that you have used multiple

> accounts

> > abusively, see user:WikiPossum and user:MonitorMan. I would warn

> you

> > that any repetition of this behaviour may lead to an immediate

> block

> > from further editing. Guy (Help!) 12:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

> >

> > Sahajhist is my old ID. MonitorMan is my new ID. Sahajhist 13:15,

9

> > December 2007 (UTC)

> > I see you've blocked my new ID indefinately so its back to the old

> > one. Tiresome. Sahajhist 15:03, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

> > " Old ID " ? Monitorman began editing on November 19, 2007[1] (by

> > participating in a thread to which Sahajhist had already

> contributed

> > [2]). Since then " Sahajhist " has made 23 edits, not including

> > today's. Changing usernames is OK, using multiple ones at the same

> > time in the same articles is not.

> >

> > Sahajhist 12:45, November 12, 2007 (hist) (diff) Sahaja Yoga

> (revert -

> > really Simon!)

> > 58.109.99.153 14:39, November 12, 2007 (hist) (diff) Sahaja Yoga

> (rvt

> > (yawn))

> > WikiPossum 15:04, November 12, 2007 (hist) (diff) Sahaja Yoga (rvt

> -

> > no yawn)

> > Please remember that the rule is " one editor, one account " . Please

> > read and comply with WP:SOCK. Using multiple accounts to

> participate

> > in a mediation,[3], to make snide remarks,[4][5], to promote

> yourself

> > [6], or to disrupt an RfC[7] is just plain deceitful. ·:· Will

> Beback

> > ·:· 20:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

> >

> > you have been busy. Do you have a life in the real world? (still

> > posting as)Sahajhist 21:45, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

> >

> > Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sahajhist "

> >

> >

> > Dear self-realized souls,

> >

> > It looks like Sahajist (John Noyce) is as deceitful as Sfacets is

> > horny and porny. John Noyce has always used multiple IDs to

mislead

> > others - ALWAYS! That is his deceitful way of " loading the dice "

in

> > his favor. He has no qualms about being dishonest as it is not

easy

> > to get caught on the Internet. But folks, he is against guys who

> are

> > internet savvy and have tools like CheckUser to nail cheats. And

> when

> > Will Beback nailed him John Noyce could only pathetically lash

> back.

> >

> > i have claimed in previous posts that John Noyce uses multiple IDs

> to

> > deceive the unsuspecting. So i will be archiving this Wikipedia

> > article as evidence of what i have known for years.

> >

> > This whole Sahajist and Sfacets Wikipedia adventure is turning out

> > into a fiasco. It is a shame that compared to deceitful Sahajist

> and

> > horny, porny Sfacets, ordinary folks like Will Beback are acting

> far

> > more honestly and morally. How come more than two decades of SY

> > meditation, footsoaking and treatments cannot rid WCASY approved

> John

> > Noyce of such negativity? And what can i say of Sfacets?

> >

> > Just a few days ago on Dec. 5, 2007 John Noyce had the temerity

> (and

> > lack of both intelligence and judgment) to defend his horny, porny

> > pal Sfacets. He sent Violet an email:

> >

> > >

> > > 2. If you look more carefully at sfacets' bittorrent

> > > upload page, you'll see that what Jagbir is objecting

> > > to in his usual colourful language are in fact

> > > adverts. These adverts have absolutely nothing to do

> > > with sfacets whatsoever. Check it for yourself. I'd

> > > say Jagbir needs to apologise for jumping to

> > > conclusions.

> > >

> >

> > i waited for nearly a week to positively confirm John Noyce's lack

> of

> > both intelligence and judgment about his horny, porny friend

> Sfacets.

> > Instead of asking Sfacets to remove his links from the X-rated

page

> >

> > http://www.btmon.com/comment_author/sfacets

> >

> > John Noyce is asking an apology from me???!!!! Both John Noyce and

> > Sfacets do not have the common sense and shame to do what any

self-

> > realized soul would do - remove all links at that X-rated page. As

> > far as John Noyce is concerned " These adverts have absolutely

> nothing

> > to do with sfacets whatsoever. " In other words, those obscene, X-

> > rated images should in no way reflect on Sfacets or his state of

> self-

> > realization. Since that is the case John Noyce, how about

> advertising

> > Sahaja Yoga at bittorrent with a nice photo of Shri Mataji? i

think

> > Sfacets has space for that on his page.

> >

> > regards to all,

> >

> > jagbir

> >