Everyone is an idol worshipper (except those who maintain Silence on Self)

[Guest guest]

>

> People in other religions may question the sanctity of idol worship

> and we can say it is only due to ignorance. God is all-pervading

> formless Being.

>

> The divinity of the all-pervading God is vibrant in every atom of

> creation. There is not a speck of space where He is not. Why do you

> then say that He is not the idols?

>

> The idol is a support for the neophyte. It is a prop of his

> spiritual childhood. A form or image is necessary for worship in

> the beginning. It is not possible for all to fix the mind on the

> Absolute or the Infinite. A concrete form is necessary for the vast

> majority for practicing concentration.

>

> Idols are not the idle fancies of sculptors, but shining channels

> through which the heart of the devotee flows towards God. Though the

> image is worshipped, the devotee feels the presence of the Lord in

> it and pours out his devotion unto it. The idol remains an idol,

> but the worship goes to the Lord.

>

> To a devotee, the image is a mass of Chaitanya or consciousness. He

> draws inspiration from the image. The image guides him. It talks to

> him. It assumes human form to help him in a variety of ways. Idol

> worship is not peculiar to Hinduism. The Christians worship the

> Cross. They have the image of the Cross in their mind. The

> Mohammedans keep the image of the Kaaba stone when they kneel and do

> prayers. The mental image also is a form of idol. The difference is

> not one in kind, but only one of degree.

>

> All worshippers, however intellectual they may be, generate a form

> in the mind and make the mind dwell on that image. Everyone is an

> idol worshipper. Pictures and drawings are only a form of idol. A

> gross mind needs a concrete symbol as a prop or Alambana; a subtle

> mind requires an abstract symbol. Even a Vedantin has the symbol OM

> for fixing the wandering mind. It is not only pictures or images in

> stone and wood that are idols. Dialectics and leaders also become

> idols.

>

 

Question: I am a Muslim who absolutely am against worshipping of any

idol or image. How then is Sahaja Yoga and Shri Mataji compatible

with Islam?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: We are devout Christians who are very uncomfortable with

Hindu rituals, and see the same in Sahaja Yoga. Is there any way we

can do without such rituals?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: You loudly claim on your website that all religions and

holy scriptures preach the same message. I don't see such evidence.

What have you got to say?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: I do not want to meditate on anything non-Christian but

agree that the Holy Spirit is feminine. How do I only worship the

Holy Spirit but not the Adi Shakti?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: I completely agree with your belief that if you have to

take a single step in any direction to seek the Divine you are going

the wrong way. How and why did you reach this incredible conclusion

only now despite spending so many years meditating, checking the

scriptures and listening to Shri Mataji's speeches?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: I do not want to follow any religious organization or yoga

teacher but still am interested in spirituality. You think that is

possible?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: I am a Sikh. I am completely against any Hindu ritual or

worshipping of their idols and gods. Sikhism is completely against

such practices. But Sahaja Yoga is also so full of such rituals and

gods. What have you got to say, being a Sikh yourself?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: I am getting somewhat ridiculed for my own spiritual

experiences regarding the crown chakra and the divine feminine.

People think I'm weird by emphasizing that the Devi is the true

nature of brahman and it is creating doubt about my path (despite my

own experiences). Should I continue with my meditations and ignore

them or try to explain to them? What do you suggest?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: There is so much information about yoga and meditation. I

am so confused and do not know which path to take. What then is the

truth? How do I attain it?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: I have been in Sahaja Yoga for years but still do not know

what is Self-realization. Can you tell me in detail what you

understand by it?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: I have been a SY for many years and some of us find shoe-

beating and some rituals quite absurd. You also are against them. How

then can we solve our subtle system problems without such treatments?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: I am a Muslim living in Pakistan who want to practice

Sahaja Yoga. But there are no centers here. How can I continue?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: What will happen after Shri Mataji passes away? Will She

still be in the photograph? Where will the vibrations come from then?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: I have just started meditating on Shri Mataji in the

Sahasrara but find it very difficult. Is there a better way?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: I do not want to join Sahaja Yoga but believe in a number

of Shri Mataji's teachings. Can you help me?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: I am an established SYogini who am concerned at the way the

organization is heading. However, I still want to spread Shri

Mataji's teachings. What do you suggest I tell others?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: I want to practice meditation but find it impossible to

stop the thoughts. I value you opinion. If you don't mind my asking,

but how do you do it?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: What is the shortest and surest route to realize God?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: Some religions claim that humans are divine in nature and

that liberation is from within. Can you tell me how all this is

realized in such a hectic and materialistic world?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: As a SY I am concerned that after Shri Mataji takes

Mahasamadhi there will great grief and sense of loss. How can I cope

with this eventuality and continue my faith and devotion? Do I

continue to meditate on Her photo even though She is not physically

present anymore?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: Jagbir, you are already telling us to discard Shri Mataji's

photo and meditate on Her is the Sahasrara. A number of SYs have been

offended by this and have left the forum. What makes you so sure you

are right?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: What is the most profound and deepest enlightenment you

have discovered after all these years, based on the teachings of Shri

Mataji? She also claims that all religions teach the same truth about

the spirit. How is that so given all the religious differences and

centuries-old rivalry?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: Hi, man-made religions, sects and denominations are wide

spread. So much misdeeds and divisions are committed and blood is

shed in the name of God and religion. Is there a way to make humans

realize that they are all worshipping the One and same Creator, no

matter how different religious organizations have made God to be?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

 

 

Question: It seems that religions are all preaching about a God that

is to be found only in their organizations. Why then is it that the

Divine can only be realized through one's own experience? What and

where is God then?

 

Answer: Silence on Self

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir and All,

 

Your explanation that everyone is an idol worshipper in some form and that

Silence on Self is really the only form of 'non-idol' worship, is fantastic! As

can be seen, Silence on Self is really the answer to every spiritual question,

and the seeker must be directed to Silence on Self, to really Realise the Self!

 

Shri Mataji is the incarnation of the Holy Spirit that Christ promised would

come. She is the Comforter. She has awakened the Holy Spirit's energy (a.k.a.

Kundalini) in us. The Holy Spirit's energy has arisen, and connected us to the

Kingdom of God within! This only happened previously through Jesus or other

avatars, or ascetics who renounced the material world and only sought the

Spirit, reaching it mainly at the end of their lifetime, usually on dying ---

but now, ordinary " householders " as Shri Mataji calls us (ascetics don't own

houses) can have their Baptism of the Holy Spirit (Kundalini awakening) through

Sahaja Yoga, i.e. " Union with the Divine Within " .

 

We are now outside the 'organisation' of Sahaja Yoga, and yet we are " in Union

with the Divine " ! i heard with my own ears Shri Mataji telling us in the 1990's

at Sydney Airport, that this might happen! She said that if Her Message is not

given from 'within' the organisation of Sahaja Yoga, that it will be given from

'without' the organisation of Sahaja Yoga! i dreaded that fact then, because i

thought the organisation was the 'be-all' and 'end-all'. i guess it wasn't! How

can it be, when it doesn't give Her full Message, but hides who She is and what

She has said, from the public?

 

So from 'without' the organisation, we are giving Her full Message, of what She

said. Her Message goes beyond religions, to the heart of all religion, which is

the Spirit! It goes beyond a ritual-obsessed Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion

(SYSSR) - WCASY's narrow version of Sahaja Yoga that has excluded Shri Mataji's

continuing Message of Christ's Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection.

Even now, as evidenced by the questions, people want to take to Sahaja Yoga from

their own spiritual background, but they do not want all the rituals and what

they call 'idol worship'. The only solution is to worship the Divine in their

hearts, in the " Silence on Self " !

 

That is why i am sure that in future, this " Silence on Self " will unite all

people, wishing to go beyond religious denominations, doctrines, and

dominations; as you say, even leaders can become idols of worship! In this Age

of Aquarius new outer forms are needed to contain the new wine of the Spirit. It

can only be the " Temple Within " each individual, that can be the true container!

We are the Light of the World. That is how it is. That is how Christ also talked

about it! But the Message is just starting to be understood 2000 years later.

 

Add to that the factor that many religious leaders have been exposed to be

morally corrupt and this reflects on their organisations, so unless they

radically reform to this Silence on Self, without any denominations, doctrines,

and dominations - they are well and truly sunk - their eventual demise is

certain! People have 'been there' and 'done that' and lost faith in churches,

and so forth. The real moral leadership has generally been shown, not to be

there, but only a form of leadership that often has its own interests at heart.

The real truth has generally been shown not to be there, but only a form of it,

that benefits the leaders especially. People want the real truth these days.

They are tired of religious divisions and religious popes. They are looking for

unity in all areas of their lives, and the Holy Spirit is showing them that true

spiritual unity is a possibility; that ideally there is no need for all this

religious division of man against man, in the name of God!

 

This is why many people won't go to church, yet they are spiritually hungry and

thirsty. They are looking for the light their Spirit tells them is there. They

want to know who they really are. They are needing to Realise the Self. Only

when they realise their Self, will they be able to have real peace in their

heart.

 

Jagbir, i believe you have gotten to the crux of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi's

teachings, which will in future, help people from all spiritual backgrounds to

unite in Spirit! To that i would like to add:

 

" Best Wishes for the Coming Year of 2008! And may many more come to the

Realisation of their Self! "

 

regards to all,

 

violet

 

 

 

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

>

>

> >

> > People in other religions may question the sanctity of idol

worship

> > and we can say it is only due to ignorance. God is all-pervading

> > formless Being.

> >

> > The divinity of the all-pervading God is vibrant in every atom of

> > creation. There is not a speck of space where He is not. Why do

you

> > then say that He is not the idols?

> >

> > The idol is a support for the neophyte. It is a prop of his

> > spiritual childhood. A form or image is necessary for worship in

> > the beginning. It is not possible for all to fix the mind on the

> > Absolute or the Infinite. A concrete form is necessary for the

vast

> > majority for practicing concentration.

> >

> > Idols are not the idle fancies of sculptors, but shining channels

> > through which the heart of the devotee flows towards God. Though

the

> > image is worshipped, the devotee feels the presence of the Lord

in

> > it and pours out his devotion unto it. The idol remains an idol,

> > but the worship goes to the Lord.

> >

> > To a devotee, the image is a mass of Chaitanya or consciousness.

He

> > draws inspiration from the image. The image guides him. It talks

to

> > him. It assumes human form to help him in a variety of ways. Idol

> > worship is not peculiar to Hinduism. The Christians worship the

> > Cross. They have the image of the Cross in their mind. The

> > Mohammedans keep the image of the Kaaba stone when they kneel and

do

> > prayers. The mental image also is a form of idol. The difference

is

> > not one in kind, but only one of degree.

> >

> > All worshippers, however intellectual they may be, generate a

form

> > in the mind and make the mind dwell on that image. Everyone is an

> > idol worshipper. Pictures and drawings are only a form of idol. A

> > gross mind needs a concrete symbol as a prop or Alambana; a

subtle

> > mind requires an abstract symbol. Even a Vedantin has the symbol

OM

> > for fixing the wandering mind. It is not only pictures or images

in

> > stone and wood that are idols. Dialectics and leaders also become

> > idols.

> >

>

> Question: I am a Muslim who absolutely am against worshipping of

any

> idol or image. How then is Sahaja Yoga and Shri Mataji compatible

> with Islam?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: We are devout Christians who are very uncomfortable with

> Hindu rituals, and see the same in Sahaja Yoga. Is there any way we

> can do without such rituals?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: You loudly claim on your website that all religions and

> holy scriptures preach the same message. I don't see such evidence.

> What have you got to say?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I do not want to meditate on anything non-Christian but

> agree that the Holy Spirit is feminine. How do I only worship the

> Holy Spirit but not the Adi Shakti?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I completely agree with your belief that if you have to

> take a single step in any direction to seek the Divine you are

going

> the wrong way. How and why did you reach this incredible conclusion

> only now despite spending so many years meditating, checking the

> scriptures and listening to Shri Mataji's speeches?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I do not want to follow any religious organization or

yoga

> teacher but still am interested in spirituality. You think that is

> possible?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I am a Sikh. I am completely against any Hindu ritual or

> worshipping of their idols and gods. Sikhism is completely against

> such practices. But Sahaja Yoga is also so full of such rituals and

> gods. What have you got to say, being a Sikh yourself?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I am getting somewhat ridiculed for my own spiritual

> experiences regarding the crown chakra and the divine feminine.

> People think I'm weird by emphasizing that the Devi is the true

> nature of brahman and it is creating doubt about my path (despite

my

> own experiences). Should I continue with my meditations and ignore

> them or try to explain to them? What do you suggest?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: There is so much information about yoga and meditation. I

> am so confused and do not know which path to take. What then is the

> truth? How do I attain it?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I have been in Sahaja Yoga for years but still do not

know

> what is Self-realization. Can you tell me in detail what you

> understand by it?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I have been a SY for many years and some of us find shoe-

> beating and some rituals quite absurd. You also are against them.

How

> then can we solve our subtle system problems without such

treatments?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I am a Muslim living in Pakistan who want to practice

> Sahaja Yoga. But there are no centers here. How can I continue?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: What will happen after Shri Mataji passes away? Will She

> still be in the photograph? Where will the vibrations come from

then?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I have just started meditating on Shri Mataji in the

> Sahasrara but find it very difficult. Is there a better way?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I do not want to join Sahaja Yoga but believe in a number

> of Shri Mataji's teachings. Can you help me?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I am an established SYogini who am concerned at the way

the

> organization is heading. However, I still want to spread Shri

> Mataji's teachings. What do you suggest I tell others?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I want to practice meditation but find it impossible to

> stop the thoughts. I value you opinion. If you don't mind my

asking,

> but how do you do it?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: What is the shortest and surest route to realize God?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: Some religions claim that humans are divine in nature and

> that liberation is from within. Can you tell me how all this is

> realized in such a hectic and materialistic world?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: As a SY I am concerned that after Shri Mataji takes

> Mahasamadhi there will great grief and sense of loss. How can I

cope

> with this eventuality and continue my faith and devotion? Do I

> continue to meditate on Her photo even though She is not physically

> present anymore?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: Jagbir, you are already telling us to discard Shri

Mataji's

> photo and meditate on Her is the Sahasrara. A number of SYs have

been

> offended by this and have left the forum. What makes you so sure

you

> are right?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: What is the most profound and deepest enlightenment you

> have discovered after all these years, based on the teachings of

Shri

> Mataji? She also claims that all religions teach the same truth

about

> the spirit. How is that so given all the religious differences and

> centuries-old rivalry?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: Hi, man-made religions, sects and denominations are wide

> spread. So much misdeeds and divisions are committed and blood is

> shed in the name of God and religion. Is there a way to make humans

> realize that they are all worshipping the One and same Creator, no

> matter how different religious organizations have made God to be?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: It seems that religions are all preaching about a God

that

> is to be found only in their organizations. Why then is it that the

> Divine can only be realized through one's own experience? What and

> where is God then?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

[Guest guest]

>

> That is why i am sure that in future, this " Silence on Self " will

> unite all people wishing to go beyond religious denominations and

> dogma;

>

 

Dear Violet and All,

 

i have already registered the domain names SILENCEONSELF.ORG and

SILENCEONSELF.com last October 13, 2007. This " Silence on Self "

approach will be increasingly important and relevant in the future

i.e., after February 21, 2013. i believe many seekers will be

attracted to this deep and 'secular' approach. By secular i mean you

need not follow any religion whatsoever but the collective essence

and synthesis of them all. If the Self can be proved to be the

esoteric collective core of all religions and holy scriptures then it

will be easier for seekers to realize their own Self too. That

is why i was overwhelmed by the prospect that this approach will

definitely succeed because of the new knowledge, and more to come,

that will destroy divisive dogma, falsehood and ignorance:

 

>

> Swami Rama Tirtha's Meeting with the Muslims

> /message/8877

>

> Food For Thought

> /message/8878

>

> The knowledge is so vital, original and enlightening that it took me

> some time to fathom its immensity and depth. i am really exhausted

> to even comment on them because ...... it is profoundly enlightening

> and refreshingly original a knowledge, one that i never heard

> before. i need some time to let it sink into my consciousness.

>

 

And if you uphold the heart and soul of the Torah, Bible and Qur'an -

The Last Judgment and Resurrection as declared by the Adi Shakti Shri

Mataji- and remind the believers of the absolute necessity to attain

their Self-realization in order to participate in this Blosson Time

there is so much scope and hope for the future. The holy scriptures

of the East, unrivalled in their detailed knowledge of the Self, will

greatly compliment the strictly monotheistic Abrahamic religions and

bring about true healing and enlightenment. Only then will they know

that everyone is an idol worshipper except those who maintain Silence

on Self.

 

But there is much work to be done before www.silenceonself.org can go

online. This site will be exclusively for those who want to move

beyond the religions, rituals and dogma. i can tell you off the cuff

that they will be really intelligent, deep and well-versed seekers.

That is why it will take us many years to accomplish the task of

setting this final and most precious jewel in the crown. Till then

let's just concentrate on the existing sites, assured that the best

is yet to come.

 

regards to all,

 

 

jagbir

 

 

----------------------------

 

Dear Jagbir and All,

 

Your explanation that everyone is an idol worshipper in some form and

that Silence on Self is really the only form of 'non-idol' worship,

is fantastic! As can be seen, Silence on Self is really the answer to

every spiritual question, and the seeker must be directed to Silence

on Self, to really Realise the Self!

 

Shri Mataji is the incarnation of the Holy Spirit that Christ

promised would come. She is the Comforter. She has awakened the Holy

Spirit's energy (a.k.a. Kundalini) in us. The Holy Spirit's energy

has arisen, and connected us to the Kingdom of God within! This only

happened previously through Jesus or other avatars, or ascetics who

renounced the material world and only sought the Spirit, reaching it

mainly at the end of their lifetime, usually on dying --- but now,

ordinary " householders " as Shri Mataji calls us (ascetics don't own

houses) can have their Baptism of the Holy Spirit (Kundalini

awakening) through Sahaja Yoga, i.e. " Union with the Divine Within " .

 

We are now outside the 'organisation' of Sahaja Yoga, and yet we

are " in Union with the Divine " ! i heard with my own ears Shri Mataji

telling us in the 1990's at Sydney Airport, that this might happen!

She said that if Her Message is not given from 'within' the

organisation of Sahaja Yoga, that it will be given from 'without' the

organisation of Sahaja Yoga! i dreaded that fact then, because i

thought the organisation was the 'be-all' and 'end-all'. i guess it

wasn't! How can it be, when it doesn't give Her full Message, but

hides who She is and what She has said, from the public?

 

So from 'without' the organisation, we are giving Her full Message,

of what She said. Her Message goes beyond religions, to the heart of

all religion, which is the Spirit! It goes beyond a ritual-obsessed

Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion (SYSSR) - WCASY's narrow version

of Sahaja Yoga that has excluded Shri Mataji's continuing Message of

Christ's Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. Even now, as

evidenced by the questions, people want to take to Sahaja Yoga from

their own spiritual background, but they do not want all the rituals

and what they call 'idol worship'. The only solution is to worship

the Divine in their hearts, in the " Silence on Self " !

 

That is why i am sure that in future, this " Silence on Self " will

unite all people, wishing to go beyond religious denominations,

doctrines, and dominations; as you say, even leaders can become idols

of worship! In this Age of Aquarius new outer forms are needed to

contain the new wine of the Spirit. It can only be the " Temple

Within " each individual, that can be the true container! We are the

Light of the World. That is how it is. That is how Christ also talked

about it! But the Message is just starting to be understood 2000

years later.

 

Add to that the factor that many religious leaders have been exposed

to be morally corrupt and this reflects on their organisations, so

unless they radically reform to this Silence on Self, without any

denominations, doctrines, and dominations - they are well and truly

sunk - their eventual demise is certain! People have 'been there'

and 'done that' and lost faith in churches, and so forth. The real

moral leadership has generally been shown, not to be there, but only

a form of leadership that often has its own interests at heart.

The real truth has generally been shown not to be there, but only a

form of it, that benefits the leaders especially. People want the

real truth these days. They are tired of religious divisions and

religious popes. They are looking for unity in all areas of their

lives, and the Holy Spirit is showing them that true spiritual unity

is a possibility; that ideally there is no need for all this

religious division of man against man, in the name of God!

 

This is why many people won't go to church, yet they are spiritually

hungry and thirsty. They are looking for the light their Spirit tells

them is there. They want to know who they really are. They are

needing to Realise the Self. Only when they realise their Self, will

they be able to have real peace in their heart.

 

Jagbir, i believe you have gotten to the crux of Shri Mataji Nirmala

Devi's teachings, which will in future, help people from all

spiritual backgrounds to unite in Spirit! To that i would like to add:

 

" Best Wishes for the Coming Year of 2008! And may many more come to

the Realisation of their Self! "

 

regards to all,

 

violet

 

 

 

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

>

>

> >

> > People in other religions may question the sanctity of idol

worship and we can say it is only due to ignorance. God is all-

pervading formless Being.

> >

> > The divinity of the all-pervading God is vibrant in every atom of

> > creation. There is not a speck of space where He is not. Why do

you then say that He is not the idols?

> >

> > The idol is a support for the neophyte. It is a prop of his

> > spiritual childhood. A form or image is necessary for worship in

> > the beginning. It is not possible for all to fix the mind on the

> > Absolute or the Infinite. A concrete form is necessary for the

vast majority for practicing concentration.

> >

> > Idols are not the idle fancies of sculptors, but shining channels

> > through which the heart of the devotee flows towards God. Though

the image is worshipped, the devotee feels the presence of the Lord

in it and pours out his devotion unto it. The idol remains an idol,

> > but the worship goes to the Lord.

> >

> > To a devotee, the image is a mass of Chaitanya or consciousness.

He draws inspiration from the image. The image guides him. It talks

to him. It assumes human form to help him in a variety of ways. Idol

> > worship is not peculiar to Hinduism. The Christians worship the

> > Cross. They have the image of the Cross in their mind. The

> > Mohammedans keep the image of the Kaaba stone when they kneel and

do prayers. The mental image also is a form of idol. The difference

is not one in kind, but only one of degree.

> >

> > All worshippers, however intellectual they may be, generate a

form in the mind and make the mind dwell on that image. Everyone is an

> > idol worshipper. Pictures and drawings are only a form of idol. A

> > gross mind needs a concrete symbol as a prop or Alambana; a

subtle mind requires an abstract symbol. Even a Vedantin has the

symbol OM for fixing the wandering mind. It is not only pictures or

images in stone and wood that are idols. Dialectics and leaders also

become idols.

> >

>

> Question: I am a Muslim who absolutely am against worshipping of

any idol or image. How then is Sahaja Yoga and Shri Mataji compatible

> with Islam?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: We are devout Christians who are very uncomfortable with

> Hindu rituals, and see the same in Sahaja Yoga. Is there any way we

> can do without such rituals?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: You loudly claim on your website that all religions and

> holy scriptures preach the same message. I don't see such evidence.

> What have you got to say?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I do not want to meditate on anything non-Christian but

> agree that the Holy Spirit is feminine. How do I only worship the

> Holy Spirit but not the Adi Shakti?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I completely agree with your belief that if you have to

> take a single step in any direction to seek the Divine you are

going the wrong way. How and why did you reach this incredible

conclusion only now despite spending so many years meditating,

checking the scriptures and listening to Shri Mataji's speeches?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I do not want to follow any religious organization or

yoga teacher but still am interested in spirituality. You think that

is possible?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I am a Sikh. I am completely against any Hindu ritual or

> worshipping of their idols and gods. Sikhism is completely against

> such practices. But Sahaja Yoga is also so full of such rituals and

> gods. What have you got to say, being a Sikh yourself?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I am getting somewhat ridiculed for my own spiritual

> experiences regarding the crown chakra and the divine feminine.

> People think I'm weird by emphasizing that the Devi is the true

> nature of brahman and it is creating doubt about my path (despite

my own experiences). Should I continue with my meditations and ignore

> them or try to explain to them? What do you suggest?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: There is so much information about yoga and meditation. I

> am so confused and do not know which path to take. What then is the

> truth? How do I attain it?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I have been in Sahaja Yoga for years but still do not

know what is Self-realization. Can you tell me in detail what you

> understand by it?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I have been a SY for many years and some of us find shoe-

> beating and some rituals quite absurd. You also are against them.

How then can we solve our subtle system problems without such

treatments?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I am a Muslim living in Pakistan who want to practice

> Sahaja Yoga. But there are no centers here. How can I continue?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: What will happen after Shri Mataji passes away? Will She

> still be in the photograph? Where will the vibrations come from

then?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I have just started meditating on Shri Mataji in the

> Sahasrara but find it very difficult. Is there a better way?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I do not want to join Sahaja Yoga but believe in a number

> of Shri Mataji's teachings. Can you help me?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I am an established SYogini who am concerned at the way

the organization is heading. However, I still want to spread Shri

> Mataji's teachings. What do you suggest I tell others?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: I want to practice meditation but find it impossible to

> stop the thoughts. I value you opinion. If you don't mind my

asking, but how do you do it?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: What is the shortest and surest route to realize God?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: Some religions claim that humans are divine in nature and

> that liberation is from within. Can you tell me how all this is

> realized in such a hectic and materialistic world?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: As a SY I am concerned that after Shri Mataji takes

> Mahasamadhi there will great grief and sense of loss. How can I

cope with this eventuality and continue my faith and devotion? Do I

> continue to meditate on Her photo even though She is not physically

> present anymore?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: Jagbir, you are already telling us to discard Shri

Mataji's photo and meditate on Her is the Sahasrara. A number of SYs

have been offended by this and have left the forum. What makes you so

sure you are right?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: What is the most profound and deepest enlightenment you

> have discovered after all these years, based on the teachings of

Shri Mataji? She also claims that all religions teach the same truth

about the spirit. How is that so given all the religious differences

and centuries-old rivalry?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: Hi, man-made religions, sects and denominations are wide

> spread. So much misdeeds and divisions are committed and blood is

> shed in the name of God and religion. Is there a way to make humans

> realize that they are all worshipping the One and same Creator, no

> matter how different religious organizations have made God to be?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

>

> Question: It seems that religions are all preaching about a God

that is to be found only in their organizations. Why then is it that

the Divine can only be realized through one's own experience? What and

> where is God then?

>

> Answer: Silence on Self

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir and All,

 

i do like the way forward that you have proposed with the registration of

SILENCEONSELF.ORG and SILENCEONSELF.COM and that it will be for those who want

to go beyond religions, rituals and dogmas. This is a great vision for future

seekers, who will not want to follow any religion whatsoever, but the collective

essence and synthesis of them all. 'Well Put' and Well Done!!!

 

Meantime, the forum family have their collective work cut out for them (smile).

 

regards to all,

 

violet

 

 

 

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> >

> > That is why i am sure that in future, this " Silence on Self " will

> > unite all people wishing to go beyond religious denominations and

> > dogma;

> >

>

> Dear Violet and All,

>

> i have already registered the domain names SILENCEONSELF.ORG and

> SILENCEONSELF.com last October 13, 2007. This " Silence on Self "

> approach will be increasingly important and relevant in the future

> i.e., after February 21, 2013. i believe many seekers will be

> attracted to this deep and 'secular' approach. By secular i mean

you

> need not follow any religion whatsoever but the collective essence

> and synthesis of them all. If the Self can be proved to be the

> esoteric collective core of all religions and holy scriptures then

it

> will be easier for seekers to realize their own Self too. That

> is why i was overwhelmed by the prospect that this approach will

> definitely succeed because of the new knowledge, and more to come,

> that will destroy divisive dogma, falsehood and ignorance:

>

> >

> > Swami Rama Tirtha's Meeting with the Muslims

> > /message/8877

> >

> > Food For Thought

> > /message/8878

> >

> > The knowledge is so vital, original and enlightening that it

took me

> > some time to fathom its immensity and depth. i am really

exhausted

> > to even comment on them because ...... it is profoundly

enlightening

> > and refreshingly original a knowledge, one that i never heard

> > before. i need some time to let it sink into my consciousness.

> >

>

> And if you uphold the heart and soul of the Torah, Bible and

Qur'an -

> The Last Judgment and Resurrection as declared by the Adi Shakti

Shri

> Mataji- and remind the believers of the absolute necessity to

attain

> their Self-realization in order to participate in this Blosson Time

> there is so much scope and hope for the future. The holy scriptures

> of the East, unrivalled in their detailed knowledge of the Self,

will

> greatly compliment the strictly monotheistic Abrahamic religions

and

> bring about true healing and enlightenment. Only then will they

know

> that everyone is an idol worshipper except those who maintain

Silence

> on Self.

>

> But there is much work to be done before www.silenceonself.org can

go

> online. This site will be exclusively for those who want to move

> beyond the religions, rituals and dogma. i can tell you off the

cuff

> that they will be really intelligent, deep and well-versed seekers.

> That is why it will take us many years to accomplish the task of

> setting this final and most precious jewel in the crown. Till then

> let's just concentrate on the existing sites, assured that the best

> is yet to come.

>

> regards to all,

>

>

> jagbir

>

>

> ----------------------------

>

> Dear Jagbir and All,

>

> Your explanation that everyone is an idol worshipper in some form

and

> that Silence on Self is really the only form of 'non-idol' worship,

> is fantastic! As can be seen, Silence on Self is really the answer

to

> every spiritual question, and the seeker must be directed to

Silence

> on Self, to really Realise the Self!

>

> Shri Mataji is the incarnation of the Holy Spirit that Christ

> promised would come. She is the Comforter. She has awakened the

Holy

> Spirit's energy (a.k.a. Kundalini) in us. The Holy Spirit's energy

> has arisen, and connected us to the Kingdom of God within! This

only

> happened previously through Jesus or other avatars, or ascetics who

> renounced the material world and only sought the Spirit, reaching

it

> mainly at the end of their lifetime, usually on dying --- but now,

> ordinary " householders " as Shri Mataji calls us (ascetics don't own

> houses) can have their Baptism of the Holy Spirit (Kundalini

> awakening) through Sahaja Yoga, i.e. " Union with the Divine

Within " .

>

> We are now outside the 'organisation' of Sahaja Yoga, and yet we

> are " in Union with the Divine " ! i heard with my own ears Shri

Mataji

> telling us in the 1990's at Sydney Airport, that this might happen!

> She said that if Her Message is not given from 'within' the

> organisation of Sahaja Yoga, that it will be given from 'without'

the

> organisation of Sahaja Yoga! i dreaded that fact then, because i

> thought the organisation was the 'be-all' and 'end-all'. i guess it

> wasn't! How can it be, when it doesn't give Her full Message, but

> hides who She is and what She has said, from the public?

>

> So from 'without' the organisation, we are giving Her full Message,

> of what She said. Her Message goes beyond religions, to the heart

of

> all religion, which is the Spirit! It goes beyond a ritual-obsessed

> Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion (SYSSR) - WCASY's narrow version

> of Sahaja Yoga that has excluded Shri Mataji's continuing Message

of

> Christ's Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. Even now,

as

> evidenced by the questions, people want to take to Sahaja Yoga from

> their own spiritual background, but they do not want all the

rituals

> and what they call 'idol worship'. The only solution is to worship

> the Divine in their hearts, in the " Silence on Self " !

>

> That is why i am sure that in future, this " Silence on Self " will

> unite all people, wishing to go beyond religious denominations,

> doctrines, and dominations; as you say, even leaders can become

idols

> of worship! In this Age of Aquarius new outer forms are needed to

> contain the new wine of the Spirit. It can only be the " Temple

> Within " each individual, that can be the true container! We are the

> Light of the World. That is how it is. That is how Christ also

talked

> about it! But the Message is just starting to be understood 2000

> years later.

>

> Add to that the factor that many religious leaders have been

exposed

> to be morally corrupt and this reflects on their organisations, so

> unless they radically reform to this Silence on Self, without any

> denominations, doctrines, and dominations - they are well and truly

> sunk - their eventual demise is certain! People have 'been there'

> and 'done that' and lost faith in churches, and so forth. The real

> moral leadership has generally been shown, not to be there, but

only

> a form of leadership that often has its own interests at heart.

> The real truth has generally been shown not to be there, but only a

> form of it, that benefits the leaders especially. People want the

> real truth these days. They are tired of religious divisions and

> religious popes. They are looking for unity in all areas of their

> lives, and the Holy Spirit is showing them that true spiritual

unity

> is a possibility; that ideally there is no need for all this

> religious division of man against man, in the name of God!

>

> This is why many people won't go to church, yet they are

spiritually

> hungry and thirsty. They are looking for the light their Spirit

tells

> them is there. They want to know who they really are. They are

> needing to Realise the Self. Only when they realise their Self,

will

> they be able to have real peace in their heart.

>

> Jagbir, i believe you have gotten to the crux of Shri Mataji

Nirmala

> Devi's teachings, which will in future, help people from all

> spiritual backgrounds to unite in Spirit! To that i would like to

add:

>

> " Best Wishes for the Coming Year of 2008! And may many more come to

> the Realisation of their Self! "

>

> regards to all,

>

> violet

>

>

>

> , " jagbir

> singh " <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > >

> > > People in other religions may question the sanctity of idol

> worship and we can say it is only due to ignorance. God is all-

> pervading formless Being.

> > >

> > > The divinity of the all-pervading God is vibrant in every atom

of

> > > creation. There is not a speck of space where He is not. Why do

> you then say that He is not the idols?

> > >

> > > The idol is a support for the neophyte. It is a prop of his

> > > spiritual childhood. A form or image is necessary for worship

in

> > > the beginning. It is not possible for all to fix the mind on

the

> > > Absolute or the Infinite. A concrete form is necessary for the

> vast majority for practicing concentration.

> > >

> > > Idols are not the idle fancies of sculptors, but shining

channels

> > > through which the heart of the devotee flows towards God.

Though

> the image is worshipped, the devotee feels the presence of the Lord

> in it and pours out his devotion unto it. The idol remains an idol,

> > > but the worship goes to the Lord.

> > >

> > > To a devotee, the image is a mass of Chaitanya or

consciousness.

> He draws inspiration from the image. The image guides him. It talks

> to him. It assumes human form to help him in a variety of ways.

Idol

> > > worship is not peculiar to Hinduism. The Christians worship the

> > > Cross. They have the image of the Cross in their mind. The

> > > Mohammedans keep the image of the Kaaba stone when they kneel

and

> do prayers. The mental image also is a form of idol. The difference

> is not one in kind, but only one of degree.

> > >

> > > All worshippers, however intellectual they may be, generate a

> form in the mind and make the mind dwell on that image. Everyone

is an

> > > idol worshipper. Pictures and drawings are only a form of

idol. A

> > > gross mind needs a concrete symbol as a prop or Alambana; a

> subtle mind requires an abstract symbol. Even a Vedantin has the

> symbol OM for fixing the wandering mind. It is not only pictures or

> images in stone and wood that are idols. Dialectics and leaders

also

> become idols.

> > >

> >

> > Question: I am a Muslim who absolutely am against worshipping of

> any idol or image. How then is Sahaja Yoga and Shri Mataji

compatible

> > with Islam?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: We are devout Christians who are very uncomfortable

with

> > Hindu rituals, and see the same in Sahaja Yoga. Is there any way

we

> > can do without such rituals?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: You loudly claim on your website that all religions and

> > holy scriptures preach the same message. I don't see such

evidence.

> > What have you got to say?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: I do not want to meditate on anything non-Christian but

> > agree that the Holy Spirit is feminine. How do I only worship the

> > Holy Spirit but not the Adi Shakti?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: I completely agree with your belief that if you have to

> > take a single step in any direction to seek the Divine you are

> going the wrong way. How and why did you reach this incredible

> conclusion only now despite spending so many years meditating,

> checking the scriptures and listening to Shri Mataji's speeches?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: I do not want to follow any religious organization or

> yoga teacher but still am interested in spirituality. You think

that

> is possible?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: I am a Sikh. I am completely against any Hindu ritual

or

> > worshipping of their idols and gods. Sikhism is completely

against

> > such practices. But Sahaja Yoga is also so full of such rituals

and

> > gods. What have you got to say, being a Sikh yourself?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: I am getting somewhat ridiculed for my own spiritual

> > experiences regarding the crown chakra and the divine feminine.

> > People think I'm weird by emphasizing that the Devi is the true

> > nature of brahman and it is creating doubt about my path (despite

> my own experiences). Should I continue with my meditations and

ignore

> > them or try to explain to them? What do you suggest?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: There is so much information about yoga and

meditation. I

> > am so confused and do not know which path to take. What then is

the

> > truth? How do I attain it?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: I have been in Sahaja Yoga for years but still do not

> know what is Self-realization. Can you tell me in detail what you

> > understand by it?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: I have been a SY for many years and some of us find

shoe-

> > beating and some rituals quite absurd. You also are against them.

> How then can we solve our subtle system problems without such

> treatments?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: I am a Muslim living in Pakistan who want to practice

> > Sahaja Yoga. But there are no centers here. How can I continue?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: What will happen after Shri Mataji passes away? Will

She

> > still be in the photograph? Where will the vibrations come from

> then?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: I have just started meditating on Shri Mataji in the

> > Sahasrara but find it very difficult. Is there a better way?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: I do not want to join Sahaja Yoga but believe in a

number

> > of Shri Mataji's teachings. Can you help me?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: I am an established SYogini who am concerned at the way

> the organization is heading. However, I still want to spread Shri

> > Mataji's teachings. What do you suggest I tell others?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: I want to practice meditation but find it impossible to

> > stop the thoughts. I value you opinion. If you don't mind my

> asking, but how do you do it?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: What is the shortest and surest route to realize God?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: Some religions claim that humans are divine in nature

and

> > that liberation is from within. Can you tell me how all this is

> > realized in such a hectic and materialistic world?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: As a SY I am concerned that after Shri Mataji takes

> > Mahasamadhi there will great grief and sense of loss. How can I

> cope with this eventuality and continue my faith and devotion? Do I

> > continue to meditate on Her photo even though She is not

physically

> > present anymore?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: Jagbir, you are already telling us to discard Shri

> Mataji's photo and meditate on Her is the Sahasrara. A number of

SYs

> have been offended by this and have left the forum. What makes you

so

> sure you are right?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: What is the most profound and deepest enlightenment you

> > have discovered after all these years, based on the teachings of

> Shri Mataji? She also claims that all religions teach the same

truth

> about the spirit. How is that so given all the religious

differences

> and centuries-old rivalry?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: Hi, man-made religions, sects and denominations are

wide

> > spread. So much misdeeds and divisions are committed and blood is

> > shed in the name of God and religion. Is there a way to make

humans

> > realize that they are all worshipping the One and same Creator,

no

> > matter how different religious organizations have made God to be?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

> >

> > Question: It seems that religions are all preaching about a God

> that is to be found only in their organizations. Why then is it

that

> the Divine can only be realized through one's own experience? What

and

> > where is God then?

> >

> > Answer: Silence on Self

> >

>