Mohd: Isn't it unfair if good non-Muslims go to hell?

[Guest guest]

>

> That is why i am sure that in future, this " Silence on Self " will

> unite all people wishing to go beyond religious denominations and

> dogma;

>

 

Dear Violet and All,

 

i have already registered the domain names SILENCEONSELF.ORG and

SILENCEONSELF.com last October 13, 2007. This " Silence on Self "

approach will be increasingly important and relevant in the future

i.e., after February 21, 2013. i believe many seekers will be

attracted to this deep and 'secular' approach. By secular i mean you

need not follow any religion whatsoever but the collective essence

and synthesis of them all. If the Self can be proved to be the

esoteric collective core of all religions and holy scriptures then it

will be easier for seekers to realize their own Self too. That

is why i was overwhelmed by the prospect that this approach will

definitely succeed because of the new knowledge, and more to come,

that will destroy divisive dogma, falsehood and ignorance:

 

>

> Swami Rama Tirtha's Meeting with the Muslims

> /message/8877

>

> Food For Thought

> /message/8878

>

> The knowledge is so vital, original and enlightening that it took me

> some time to fathom its immensity and depth. i am really exhausted

> to even comment on them because ...... it is profoundly enlightening

> and refreshingly original a knowledge, one that i never heard

> before. i need some time to let it sink into my consciousness.

>

 

And if you uphold the heart and soul of the Torah, Bible and Qur'an -

The Last Judgment and Resurrection as declared by the Adi Shakti Shri

Mataji- and remind the believers of the absolute necessity to attain

their Self-realization in order to participate in this Blosson Time

there is so much scope and hope for the future. The holy scriptures

of the East, unrivalled in their detailed knowledge of the Self, will

greatly compliment the strictly monotheistic Abrahamic religions and

bring about true healing and enlightenment. Only then will they know

that everyone is an idol worshipper except those who maintain Silence

on Self.

 

But there is much work to be done before www.silenceonself.org can go

online. This site will be exclusively for those who want to move

beyond the religions, rituals and dogma. i can tell you off the cuff

that they will be really intelligent, deep and well-versed seekers.

That is why it will take us many years to accomplish the task of

setting this final and most precious jewel in the crown. Till then

let's just concentrate on the existing sites, assured that the best

is yet to come.

 

regards to all,

 

 

jagbir

 

 

Note: Let me give you one example of how the future will increasingly

work in favour of Shri Mataji's Divine Message to humanity. It is in

the form of a superb question raised by Mohd, a Singaporean. He asks,

" Isn't it unfair if good non-Muslims go to hell? "

 

The answer by Counselor Shahul Hameed generally applies to all humans.

However, it explicitly includes all devotees of the Adi Shakti given

the fact that they are the first to submit to God Almighty's Will and

Warning to participate in the Resurrection (The Night of Power and

Fate [Al Qadr]) as it precedes the End (The Day of Noise and Clamour

[Al Qariah]). The Quran, without any question, insists unequivocally

that a clear warning must be issued before any punishment or calamity.

Without question, that is what Al-Qiyamah andf Al Qadr is all about.

 

Right now the overwhelming majority of their followers just do not

want to venture into the Divine Forest due to countless species of

religious trees, sect saplings and atheist undergrowth marring their

way. Over the years we will gather ever more knowledge and evidence

to forge a collective harmony and much deeper understanding of all

religions so that more and more seekers/believers submit to the

Divine Message and get their Self-realization. Reading the answer to

Mohd's question " Isn't it unfair if good non-Muslims go to hell? "

cannot but raise our hopes, strengthen our faith and nourish our

conscience that we are moving in the right direction. After all,

there is only the Self to be realized ............ no matter the

religious background and name for God Almighty.

 

All we need now is the patience, unity and forbearance to sustain

this collective desire.

 

regards to all,

 

jagbir

 

 

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Name of Questioner: Mohd - Singapore

Title: Isn't it unfair if good non-Muslims go to hell?

27/Aug/2002

Question:

 

Dear Sir,

 

If I may ask, are the non-believers deemed to go to hell?

 

If that is so, then isn't it unfair if there are non-Muslims who are

(in conduct) way better than some Muslims, but still destined for

hell?

 

 

Topic: Interfaith Issues, Human Rights, Non-Muslims

 

 

Name of Counselor: Shahul Hameed

 

Answer:

 

Hello Yusoff,

Assalamu `alaikum wa rahmatullah, thank you for your question.

 

You know, we have to find answers for questions like the one you have

raised here, by consulting the Holy Qur'an and hadith of Prophet

Muhammad (pbuh). That is because these two are the original sources

and foundations of Islam.

 

So, let us go to the Qur'an to find what it says about the fate of

Non-Muslims:

 

Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish

(scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in

God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward

with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

 

Surah 2 Verse 62

 

Here we find that Islam teaches that all people whether technically

Jews or Christians or even Sabians (an ancient religious group) are

entitled to be rewarded from God. That is on the condition that they

believe in God and the Day of Judgment and lead a good life.

 

This is quite different than the Jewish and Christian beliefs. Jews

believe that the Children of Israel are the ones specially chosen by

God for all His blessings. Similarly Christians maintain that those

who believe in Christ's atonement are guaranteed of heaven,

irrespective of their actions. Unlike both these groups, Islam holds

that any one who leads a good correct life, here on earth, on the

basis that there is a God Who is the Supreme Ruler and Judge of all

His creatures, will be rewarded in the hereafter.

 

Here we need to understand who a Muslim is. A Muslim is a person who

submits to God. It is not the name of a caste or race. That is to

say, any human can be a Muslim if:

 

(a)He believes in one and only one God.

(b)He leads a good life by submitting to that one God.

 

One can ask whether this also is an exclusivist stand. The answer is

that there cannot but be a dividing line between good and evil. Those

who court evil are naturally excluded from Divine Grace. It is a law

of nature, (in other words, God's own law) that we are destined to

face the consequences of our decisions and actions. A person's action

is considered good or bad based on the intention behind it. The

Prophet (pbuh) has said:

 

`Actions are judged on the basis of intentions.'

 

For example, think of a person who unknowingly gave poison to a

patient, thinking that it was medicine. If the patient dies as a

consequence, we do not consider that person a murderer. It is because

the sincere intention was good. Thus, we can see that many apparently

bad actions need not really be bad and vice versa. We can go a little

further and say that good intentions in themselves become good, if

they are based on the right philosophy or the right belief. As for

our earthly life, we should take care that our actions are motivated

by the right purposes, arising from the right beliefs.

 

Islam provides a philosophy, a world-view, in which the source of all

good is the Creator and Sustainer of the universe. This means that

the way of life Islam teaches is divinely ordained and that it is

quite in conformity with the principles on which the whole universe

functions. It is the same Creator Who has decided that His reward is

for those who follow His laws. There is no real sense in saying that

He should reward those who deny, even His existence!

 

A non-Muslim, by definition, is a person who does not recognize God

as a Sovereign Law giver Who rewards the good and punishes the bad.

For this reason, he has no claim to any reward from God. He may be

doing apparently good deeds; but his good deeds are not based on

seeking to do God's will. So they can only get the instrumentally

good results that they can naturally have in this world, and not the

reward of the other world which can only come from morally good acts.

 

As for Muslims, who apparently hold the right beliefs - they will get

the Divine reward only if they lead good lives derived from the right

beliefs. Islam, unlike Christianity, does not teach that faith alone

can save a person. Both faith and exerting effort are necessary; they

are the two sides of the same coin.

 

http://www.readingislam.com/

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir and All,

 

The answer to Mohd's question was excellent. It was very enlightening to read

what a 'Muslim' is, as opposed to a 'non-Muslim'. According to what he said, i

must be a Muslim then too (smile) as well, of course, as a Christian, Hindu,

Buddhist, and etc! There really is light at the end of this tunnel - giving real

hope for spiritual unity.

 

i found it interesting what he said about Christians in general believing that

" faith alone " is needed. That is actually the stance of Christian

Fundamentalists (whose voice drowns out more moderate voices). However,

Non-Fundamentalist Christians generally believe that both 'faith and works' are

needed. So this person that gave the great answer to Mohd, might actually be

interested in that fact.

 

regards to all,

 

violet

 

 

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> >

> > That is why i am sure that in future, this " Silence on Self " will

> > unite all people wishing to go beyond religious denominations and

> > dogma;

> >

>

> Dear Violet and All,

>

> i have already registered the domain names SILENCEONSELF.ORG and

> SILENCEONSELF.com last October 13, 2007. This " Silence on Self "

> approach will be increasingly important and relevant in the future

> i.e., after February 21, 2013. i believe many seekers will be

> attracted to this deep and 'secular' approach. By secular i mean

you

> need not follow any religion whatsoever but the collective essence

> and synthesis of them all. If the Self can be proved to be the

> esoteric collective core of all religions and holy scriptures then

it

> will be easier for seekers to realize their own Self too. That

> is why i was overwhelmed by the prospect that this approach will

> definitely succeed because of the new knowledge, and more to come,

> that will destroy divisive dogma, falsehood and ignorance:

>

> >

> > Swami Rama Tirtha's Meeting with the Muslims

> > /message/8877

> >

> > Food For Thought

> > /message/8878

> >

> > The knowledge is so vital, original and enlightening that it

took me

> > some time to fathom its immensity and depth. i am really

exhausted

> > to even comment on them because ...... it is profoundly

enlightening

> > and refreshingly original a knowledge, one that i never heard

> > before. i need some time to let it sink into my consciousness.

> >

>

> And if you uphold the heart and soul of the Torah, Bible and

Qur'an -

> The Last Judgment and Resurrection as declared by the Adi Shakti

Shri

> Mataji- and remind the believers of the absolute necessity to

attain

> their Self-realization in order to participate in this Blosson Time

> there is so much scope and hope for the future. The holy scriptures

> of the East, unrivalled in their detailed knowledge of the Self,

will

> greatly compliment the strictly monotheistic Abrahamic religions

and

> bring about true healing and enlightenment. Only then will they

know

> that everyone is an idol worshipper except those who maintain

Silence

> on Self.

>

> But there is much work to be done before www.silenceonself.org can

go

> online. This site will be exclusively for those who want to move

> beyond the religions, rituals and dogma. i can tell you off the

cuff

> that they will be really intelligent, deep and well-versed seekers.

> That is why it will take us many years to accomplish the task of

> setting this final and most precious jewel in the crown. Till then

> let's just concentrate on the existing sites, assured that the best

> is yet to come.

>

> regards to all,

>

>

> jagbir

>

>

> Note: Let me give you one example of how the future will

increasingly

> work in favour of Shri Mataji's Divine Message to humanity. It is

in

> the form of a superb question raised by Mohd, a Singaporean. He

asks,

> " Isn't it unfair if good non-Muslims go to hell? "

>

> The answer by Counselor Shahul Hameed generally applies to all

humans.

> However, it explicitly includes all devotees of the Adi Shakti

given

> the fact that they are the first to submit to God Almighty's Will

and

> Warning to participate in the Resurrection (The Night of Power and

> Fate [Al Qadr]) as it precedes the End (The Day of Noise and

Clamour

> [Al Qariah]). The Quran, without any question, insists

unequivocally

> that a clear warning must be issued before any punishment or

calamity.

> Without question, that is what Al-Qiyamah andf Al Qadr is all

about.

>

> Right now the overwhelming majority of their followers just do not

> want to venture into the Divine Forest due to countless species of

> religious trees, sect saplings and atheist undergrowth marring

their

> way. Over the years we will gather ever more knowledge and evidence

> to forge a collective harmony and much deeper understanding of all

> religions so that more and more seekers/believers submit to the

> Divine Message and get their Self-realization. Reading the answer

to

> Mohd's question " Isn't it unfair if good non-Muslims go to hell? "

> cannot but raise our hopes, strengthen our faith and nourish our

> conscience that we are moving in the right direction. After all,

> there is only the Self to be realized ............ no matter the

> religious background and name for God Almighty.

>

> All we need now is the patience, unity and forbearance to sustain

> this collective desire.

>

> regards to all,

>

> jagbir

>

>

> ----------------

>

> Name of Questioner: Mohd - Singapore

> Title: Isn't it unfair if good non-Muslims go to hell?

> 27/Aug/2002

> Question:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> If I may ask, are the non-believers deemed to go to hell?

>

> If that is so, then isn't it unfair if there are non-Muslims who

are

> (in conduct) way better than some Muslims, but still destined for

> hell?

>

>

> Topic: Interfaith Issues, Human Rights, Non-Muslims

>

>

> Name of Counselor: Shahul Hameed

>

> Answer:

>

> Hello Yusoff,

> Assalamu `alaikum wa rahmatullah, thank you for your question.

>

> You know, we have to find answers for questions like the one you

have

> raised here, by consulting the Holy Qur'an and hadith of Prophet

> Muhammad (pbuh). That is because these two are the original sources

> and foundations of Islam.

>

> So, let us go to the Qur'an to find what it says about the fate of

> Non-Muslims:

>

> Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish

> (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe

in

> God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their

reward

> with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

>

> Surah 2 Verse 62

>

> Here we find that Islam teaches that all people whether technically

> Jews or Christians or even Sabians (an ancient religious group) are

> entitled to be rewarded from God. That is on the condition that

they

> believe in God and the Day of Judgment and lead a good life.

>

> This is quite different than the Jewish and Christian beliefs. Jews

> believe that the Children of Israel are the ones specially chosen

by

> God for all His blessings. Similarly Christians maintain that those

> who believe in Christ's atonement are guaranteed of heaven,

> irrespective of their actions. Unlike both these groups, Islam

holds

> that any one who leads a good correct life, here on earth, on the

> basis that there is a God Who is the Supreme Ruler and Judge of all

> His creatures, will be rewarded in the hereafter.

>

> Here we need to understand who a Muslim is. A Muslim is a person

who

> submits to God. It is not the name of a caste or race. That is to

> say, any human can be a Muslim if:

>

> (a)He believes in one and only one God.

> (b)He leads a good life by submitting to that one God.

>

> One can ask whether this also is an exclusivist stand. The answer

is

> that there cannot but be a dividing line between good and evil.

Those

> who court evil are naturally excluded from Divine Grace. It is a

law

> of nature, (in other words, God's own law) that we are destined to

> face the consequences of our decisions and actions. A person's

action

> is considered good or bad based on the intention behind it. The

> Prophet (pbuh) has said:

>

> `Actions are judged on the basis of intentions.'

>

> For example, think of a person who unknowingly gave poison to a

> patient, thinking that it was medicine. If the patient dies as a

> consequence, we do not consider that person a murderer. It is

because

> the sincere intention was good. Thus, we can see that many

apparently

> bad actions need not really be bad and vice versa. We can go a

little

> further and say that good intentions in themselves become good, if

> they are based on the right philosophy or the right belief. As for

> our earthly life, we should take care that our actions are

motivated

> by the right purposes, arising from the right beliefs.

>

> Islam provides a philosophy, a world-view, in which the source of

all

> good is the Creator and Sustainer of the universe. This means that

> the way of life Islam teaches is divinely ordained and that it is

> quite in conformity with the principles on which the whole universe

> functions. It is the same Creator Who has decided that His reward

is

> for those who follow His laws. There is no real sense in saying

that

> He should reward those who deny, even His existence!

>

> A non-Muslim, by definition, is a person who does not recognize God

> as a Sovereign Law giver Who rewards the good and punishes the bad.

> For this reason, he has no claim to any reward from God. He may be

> doing apparently good deeds; but his good deeds are not based on

> seeking to do God's will. So they can only get the instrumentally

> good results that they can naturally have in this world, and not

the

> reward of the other world which can only come from morally good

acts.

>

> As for Muslims, who apparently hold the right beliefs - they will

get

> the Divine reward only if they lead good lives derived from the

right

> beliefs. Islam, unlike Christianity, does not teach that faith

alone

> can save a person. Both faith and exerting effort are necessary;

they

> are the two sides of the same coin.

>

> http://www.readingislam.com/

>