All effort to prevent SY's from hearing about children, in vain

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir (and All)

 

i have been contemplating on what Shri Mataji said at Sydney Airport in 1994,

namely that She said that " children from Montreal, who would not be in the

organisation of Sahaja Yoga, would give evidence to confirm Her Incarnation " :

 

http://adishakti.org/forum/shri_mataji_told_of_a_great_blessing_to_mankind_10-04\

-2006.htm

 

i recall that She said that we (Sahaja Yogis) would not hear about them now

(i.e. 'back then'), but that we would hear about them later (i.e. 'perhaps

now').

 

Considering how much effort John Noyce, Alan Wherry et al have expended to

prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the " special children " Shri Mataji

talked about ----- according to what Shri Mataji said, their efforts will be in

vain, for the very reason that She said that 'Sahaja Yogis will hear about them

later!'

 

i think that " later " is starting to eventuate.

 

Oh, btw. i still do wonder why they expended so many efforts to prevent Sahaja

Yogis from knowing about the children, anyway! The evidence that the children

bring, is not threatening in any way at all, as far as i can see! (smile)

 

warmest regards,

 

violet

[Guest guest]

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir (and All)

>

> i have been contemplating on what Shri Mataji said at Sydney

Airport in 1994, namely that She said that " children from Montreal,

who would not be in the organisation of Sahaja Yoga, would give

evidence to confirm Her Incarnation " :

>

>

http://adishakti.org/forum/shri_mataji_told_of_a_great_blessing_to_man

kind_10-04-2006.htm

>

> i recall that She said that we (Sahaja Yogis) would not hear about

them now (i.e. 'back then'), but that we would hear about them later

(i.e. 'perhaps now').

>

> Considering how much effort John Noyce, Alan Wherry et al have

expended to prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the " special

children " Shri Mataji talked about ----- according to what Shri

Mataji said, their efforts will be in vain, for the very reason that

She said that 'Sahaja Yogis will hear about them later!'

>

> i think that " later " is starting to eventuate.

>

> Oh, btw. i still do wonder why they expended so many efforts to

prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the children, anyway! The

evidence that the children bring, is not threatening in any way at

all, as far as i can see! (smile)

>

> warmest regards,

>

> violet

>

 

 

Dear Violet and all,

 

In one of the previous post i wrote:

 

" That is the main reason why, since leaving it years ago, i have been

able to so clearly see that Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga is but the

skin of the onion. The message of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

delivered by the Adi Shakti is the rest. "

 

Without question the message of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

delivered by the Adi Shakti is almost completely dependent on the

testimonies of the three children over the years. Take away that

evidence and all you will have is the shell that is Sahaja Yoga

today. There is just no way the Divine Message can be delivered.

 

The central message of the Comforter, Last Judgment and Kingdom of God

requires the evidence of independent, third-party witnesses. This has

been abundantly provided by them.

 

The same goes for the central message of Qiyamah and His Ruh. In fact

you are inviting extreme danger by declaring Qiyamah to the Muslims

without the Sure Signs of the Quran witnessed by Kash, and the

questions he posed to the Adi Shakti regarding them.

 

Kash was also pivotal in questioning Guru Nanak regarding the Aykaa

Mayee. For the first time in the history of Sikhism the Primordial

Mother has been revealed, and the Divine Feminine is again ascending.

She is the Inner Guru mentioned numerous times over the voluminous

Guru Granth Sahib.

 

Then you have the Adi Shakti Herself who stands beyond all

scriptures, including that of Hinduism that describe Her in the

greatest of detail and are vastly superior. Never has the Sanatana

Dharma reached this epic height. (i have always maintained that i am

like an ant trying to understand the universe, and at most 2%

enlightened. i am talking about the Devi and all that i have known

about Her till today. That 2% includes the message, evidence and the

esoteric nature and knowledge of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

delivered by the Adi Shakti.)

 

Yes Violet, we all have to wonder " why they expended so many efforts

to prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the children, anyway! The

evidence that the children bring is not threatening in any way at

all " . Till today the children have never inquired what is happening

in Sahaja Yoga, or how are SYs reacting. In fact they are not at all

concerned, or wish to be known or acknowledged in any way whatsoever.

They are just like the millions of children leading a normal life.

 

But ever since they started giving evidence of the Adi Shakti SY

leaders began a campaign to demonize them. Ex-world leader Yogi

Mahajan started a very successful propaganda campaign to discredit

and assassinate their character, even inventing unspeakable lies just

to expel them out of the school in Dharamsala, India. (Shri Mataji

was powerless to stop him despite Her explicit instructions!)

Richard Payment, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj and others just picked

his lead and did the rest. Today Alan Wherry and John Noyce are just

the tip of this massive mountain of negativity that prevails over the

entire SY organization.

 

As mentioned earlier, without question the message of the Last

Judgment and Qiyamah delivered by the Adi Shakti is almost completely

dependent on the testimonies of the three children. " Shri Mataji

said, their efforts will be in vain, for the very reason that She

said that 'Sahaja Yogis will hear about them later!' " And SYs are

slowly but surely starting to hear about them. It is only a matter of

time now before SYs realize what really transpired right under their

noses, and the efforts of the Alan Wherrys and John Noyces to

suppress the very evidence given by Shri Mataji to prove who She is.

 

Since Sahaja Yoga is nothing else but the Adi Shakti delivering the

Divine Message there is absolutely no way the SY organization can

survive without the testimonies of the children. The only chance of

survival for the SY organization will be to acknowledge all that the

children have given testimony about the Devi. Given the present dire

straits that the organization is in that is a forgone conclusion.

 

Even if they resist, Shri Mataji's eventual Mahasamadhi absolutely

ensures their demise. There is just no way it can survive without the

testimonies of the children.

 

i know that more and more dissenting voices demanding transparency in

announcing Shri Mataji's advent and message will be heard over the

years within the SY organization. Our job is to bear witness, record

and protect the Truth that proves Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the

incarnation of the Adi Shakti sent to deliver the Divine Message to

humanity. Under no circumstance must this conscience be compromised.

 

regards to all,

 

jagbir

 

 

------------------------------

 

Dear all,

 

i came across a wonderful quote that resonates deeply in my heart,

one that buttresses the foundation on which the www.adishakti.org

site is built:

 

" I believe that any religious teaching that does not free a man to

know God and retain his personality and mind is a cult or becoming

one. "

 

Having said that, i also believe that the present SYSSR with all its

fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty has become a cult. That

is the main reason why, since leaving it years ago, i have been able

to so clearly see that Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga is but the

skin of the onion. The message of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

delivered by the Adi Shakti is the rest.

 

i cannot find the words to describe this unprecedented synthesis of

all major religions and their holy books. It is so liberating and

comforting to the mind, body and spirit to realize that your faith is

based on daily personal experience of the Cool Breeze promised by the

scriptures to all those taking part in the Blossom Time. You are not

talking about a single religion but the collective core of all. As

the Adi Shakti has said so beautifully:

 

" The main thing that one has to understand is that the time has come

for you to get all that is promised in the scriptures, not only in

the Bible but all the scriptures of the world. The time has come

today that you have to become a Christian, a Brahmin, a Pir, through

your Kundalini awakening only. There is no other way. And that your

Last Judgment is also now. "

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

 

Fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty will never free a man to

know God/Self. Please discard the useless onion skin that the present

SY organization has made a cult into. Please free your mind from the

fear of being labeled a non-SY or told to leave if you do not follow

their fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty. Please be truthful

to your Self and your fellow humans. Please be as transparent and

fearless and conscientious as Shri Mataji was ....... and still is.

 

warmest regards,

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir and Violet,Jai Shri Mataji,Dear Sahaji brothers and sisters,Reading your postings for long time and it seems you are questioning and answering both to each other and speaking venom against SY, a creation of Adishakti. Even a SY has should not speak or express single word

against other SY. How you can criticise when you are all that.We see what we are in our own mirror.With loveYogikumudOn Jan 19, 2008 9:24 PM, jagbir singh <

adishakti_org wrote:

 

 

 

 

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir (and All)

>

> i have been contemplating on what Shri Mataji said at Sydney

Airport in 1994, namely that She said that " children from Montreal,

who would not be in the organisation of Sahaja Yoga, would give

evidence to confirm Her Incarnation " :

>

>

http://adishakti.org/forum/shri_mataji_told_of_a_great_blessing_to_man

kind_10-04-2006.htm

>

> i recall that She said that we (Sahaja Yogis) would not hear about

them now (i.e. 'back then'), but that we would hear about them later

(i.e. 'perhaps now').

>

> Considering how much effort John Noyce, Alan Wherry et al have

expended to prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the " special

children " Shri Mataji talked about ----- according to what Shri

Mataji said, their efforts will be in vain, for the very reason that

She said that 'Sahaja Yogis will hear about them later!'

>

> i think that " later " is starting to eventuate.

>

> Oh, btw. i still do wonder why they expended so many efforts to

prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the children, anyway! The

evidence that the children bring, is not threatening in any way at

all, as far as i can see! (smile)

>

> warmest regards,

>

> violet

>

 

Dear Violet and all,

 

In one of the previous post i wrote:

 

" That is the main reason why, since leaving it years ago, i have been

able to so clearly see that Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga is but the

skin of the onion. The message of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

delivered by the Adi Shakti is the rest. "

 

Without question the message of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

delivered by the Adi Shakti is almost completely dependent on the

testimonies of the three children over the years. Take away that

evidence and all you will have is the shell that is Sahaja Yoga

today. There is just no way the Divine Message can be delivered.

 

The central message of the Comforter, Last Judgment and Kingdom of God

requires the evidence of independent, third-party witnesses. This has

been abundantly provided by them.

 

The same goes for the central message of Qiyamah and His Ruh. In fact

you are inviting extreme danger by declaring Qiyamah to the Muslims

without the Sure Signs of the Quran witnessed by Kash, and the

questions he posed to the Adi Shakti regarding them.

 

Kash was also pivotal in questioning Guru Nanak regarding the Aykaa

Mayee. For the first time in the history of Sikhism the Primordial

Mother has been revealed, and the Divine Feminine is again ascending.

She is the Inner Guru mentioned numerous times over the voluminous

Guru Granth Sahib.

 

Then you have the Adi Shakti Herself who stands beyond all

scriptures, including that of Hinduism that describe Her in the

greatest of detail and are vastly superior. Never has the Sanatana

Dharma reached this epic height. (i have always maintained that i am

like an ant trying to understand the universe, and at most 2%

enlightened. i am talking about the Devi and all that i have known

about Her till today. That 2% includes the message, evidence and the

esoteric nature and knowledge of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

delivered by the Adi Shakti.)

 

Yes Violet, we all have to wonder " why they expended so many efforts

to prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the children, anyway! The

evidence that the children bring is not threatening in any way at

all " . Till today the children have never inquired what is happening

in Sahaja Yoga, or how are SYs reacting. In fact they are not at all

concerned, or wish to be known or acknowledged in any way whatsoever.

They are just like the millions of children leading a normal life.

 

But ever since they started giving evidence of the Adi Shakti SY

leaders began a campaign to demonize them. Ex-world leader Yogi

Mahajan started a very successful propaganda campaign to discredit

and assassinate their character, even inventing unspeakable lies just

to expel them out of the school in Dharamsala, India. (Shri Mataji

was powerless to stop him despite Her explicit instructions!)

Richard Payment, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj and others just picked

his lead and did the rest. Today Alan Wherry and John Noyce are just

the tip of this massive mountain of negativity that prevails over the

entire SY organization.

 

As mentioned earlier, without question the message of the Last

Judgment and Qiyamah delivered by the Adi Shakti is almost completely

dependent on the testimonies of the three children. " Shri Mataji

said, their efforts will be in vain, for the very reason that She

said that 'Sahaja Yogis will hear about them later!' " And SYs are

slowly but surely starting to hear about them. It is only a matter of

time now before SYs realize what really transpired right under their

noses, and the efforts of the Alan Wherrys and John Noyces to

suppress the very evidence given by Shri Mataji to prove who She is.

 

Since Sahaja Yoga is nothing else but the Adi Shakti delivering the

Divine Message there is absolutely no way the SY organization can

survive without the testimonies of the children. The only chance of

survival for the SY organization will be to acknowledge all that the

children have given testimony about the Devi. Given the present dire

straits that the organization is in that is a forgone conclusion.

 

Even if they resist, Shri Mataji's eventual Mahasamadhi absolutely

ensures their demise. There is just no way it can survive without the

testimonies of the children.

 

i know that more and more dissenting voices demanding transparency in

announcing Shri Mataji's advent and message will be heard over the

years within the SY organization. Our job is to bear witness, record

and protect the Truth that proves Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the

incarnation of the Adi Shakti sent to deliver the Divine Message to

humanity. Under no circumstance must this conscience be compromised.

 

regards to all,

 

jagbir

 

------------------------------

 

Dear all,

 

i came across a wonderful quote that resonates deeply in my heart,

one that buttresses the foundation on which the www.adishakti.org

site is built:

 

" I believe that any religious teaching that does not free a man to

know God and retain his personality and mind is a cult or becoming

one. "

 

Having said that, i also believe that the present SYSSR with all its

fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty has become a cult. That

is the main reason why, since leaving it years ago, i have been able

to so clearly see that Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga is but the

skin of the onion. The message of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

delivered by the Adi Shakti is the rest.

 

i cannot find the words to describe this unprecedented synthesis of

all major religions and their holy books. It is so liberating and

comforting to the mind, body and spirit to realize that your faith is

based on daily personal experience of the Cool Breeze promised by the

scriptures to all those taking part in the Blossom Time. You are not

talking about a single religion but the collective core of all. As

the Adi Shakti has said so beautifully:

 

" The main thing that one has to understand is that the time has come

for you to get all that is promised in the scriptures, not only in

the Bible but all the scriptures of the world. The time has come

today that you have to become a Christian, a Brahmin, a Pir, through

your Kundalini awakening only. There is no other way. And that your

Last Judgment is also now. "

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

 

Fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty will never free a man to

know God/Self. Please discard the useless onion skin that the present

SY organization has made a cult into. Please free your mind from the

fear of being labeled a non-SY or told to leave if you do not follow

their fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty. Please be truthful

to your Self and your fellow humans. Please be as transparent and

fearless and conscientious as Shri Mataji was ....... and still is.

 

warmest regards,

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

Yogikumud,

 

From what you say it is obvious you do not understand the distinction between

the organisation called Sahaja Yoga and Sahaja Yoga Itself, which is one's Union

with the Divine. Sahaja Yoga is your Union with the Divine, which cannot be

contained by any religious boundaries. Would you think that just because a

Christian Minister addresses his whole congregation as 'Christians', that it

means that each and every person there, is a sincere, honest, and true

Christian? No! The minister addresses them as Christians in the hope that they

will become sincere, honest, and true Christians. In the same way, just because

Shri Mataji addresses all the people who attend to hear Her as 'Sahaja Yogis'

doesn't mean they are sincere, honest, and true Sahaja Yogis, though She hopes

they will be! Shri Mataji has put a lot of faith and trust in those whom She

calls 'Sahaja Yogis', but are Sahaja Yogis proving worthy of that trust? Have

they openly told Her Identity, Mission, Message and Evidence that She gave to

confirm Her Incarnation? If not, why not? As for your disparaging remarks your

ignorance is showing, especially since you know all that we have written " for

long time " .

 

regards,

 

violet

 

 

 

, " Kumud

Sharma " <yogikumud wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir and Violet,

>

> Jai Shri Mataji,

>

> Dear Sahaji brothers and sisters,

>

> Reading your postings for long time and it seems you are

questioning and

> answering both to each other and

> speaking venom against SY, a creation of Adishakti. Even a SY has

should not

> speak or express single word

> against other SY. How you can criticise when you are all that.We

see what we

> are in our own mirror.

>

> With love

> Yogikumud

>

>

> On Jan 19, 2008 9:24 PM, jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> > --- In

<%40>,

> > " Violet "

> > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jagbir (and All)

> > >

> > > i have been contemplating on what Shri Mataji said at Sydney

> > Airport in 1994, namely that She said that " children from

Montreal,

> > who would not be in the organisation of Sahaja Yoga, would give

> > evidence to confirm Her Incarnation " :

> > >

> > >

> > http://adishakti.org/forum/

shri_mataji_told_of_a_great_blessing_to_man

> > kind_10-04-2006.htm

> > >

> > > i recall that She said that we (Sahaja Yogis) would not hear

about

> > them now (i.e. 'back then'), but that we would hear about them

later

> > (i.e. 'perhaps now').

> > >

> > > Considering how much effort John Noyce, Alan Wherry et al have

> > expended to prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the " special

> > children " Shri Mataji talked about ----- according to what Shri

> > Mataji said, their efforts will be in vain, for the very reason

that

> > She said that 'Sahaja Yogis will hear about them later!'

> > >

> > > i think that " later " is starting to eventuate.

> > >

> > > Oh, btw. i still do wonder why they expended so many efforts to

> > prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the children, anyway! The

> > evidence that the children bring, is not threatening in any way at

> > all, as far as i can see! (smile)

> > >

> > > warmest regards,

> > >

> > > violet

> > >

> >

> > Dear Violet and all,

> >

> > In one of the previous post i wrote:

> >

> > " That is the main reason why, since leaving it years ago, i have

been

> > able to so clearly see that Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga is

but the

> > skin of the onion. The message of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

> > delivered by the Adi Shakti is the rest. "

> >

> > Without question the message of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

> > delivered by the Adi Shakti is almost completely dependent on the

> > testimonies of the three children over the years. Take away that

> > evidence and all you will have is the shell that is Sahaja Yoga

> > today. There is just no way the Divine Message can be delivered.

> >

> > The central message of the Comforter, Last Judgment and Kingdom

of God

> > requires the evidence of independent, third-party witnesses. This

has

> > been abundantly provided by them.

> >

> > The same goes for the central message of Qiyamah and His Ruh. In

fact

> > you are inviting extreme danger by declaring Qiyamah to the

Muslims

> > without the Sure Signs of the Quran witnessed by Kash, and the

> > questions he posed to the Adi Shakti regarding them.

> >

> > Kash was also pivotal in questioning Guru Nanak regarding the

Aykaa

> > Mayee. For the first time in the history of Sikhism the Primordial

> > Mother has been revealed, and the Divine Feminine is again

ascending.

> > She is the Inner Guru mentioned numerous times over the voluminous

> > Guru Granth Sahib.

> >

> > Then you have the Adi Shakti Herself who stands beyond all

> > scriptures, including that of Hinduism that describe Her in the

> > greatest of detail and are vastly superior. Never has the Sanatana

> > Dharma reached this epic height. (i have always maintained that i

am

> > like an ant trying to understand the universe, and at most 2%

> > enlightened. i am talking about the Devi and all that i have known

> > about Her till today. That 2% includes the message, evidence and

the

> > esoteric nature and knowledge of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

> > delivered by the Adi Shakti.)

> >

> > Yes Violet, we all have to wonder " why they expended so many

efforts

> > to prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the children, anyway!

The

> > evidence that the children bring is not threatening in any way at

> > all " . Till today the children have never inquired what is

happening

> > in Sahaja Yoga, or how are SYs reacting. In fact they are not at

all

> > concerned, or wish to be known or acknowledged in any way

whatsoever.

> > They are just like the millions of children leading a normal life.

> >

> > But ever since they started giving evidence of the Adi Shakti SY

> > leaders began a campaign to demonize them. Ex-world leader Yogi

> > Mahajan started a very successful propaganda campaign to discredit

> > and assassinate their character, even inventing unspeakable lies

just

> > to expel them out of the school in Dharamsala, India. (Shri Mataji

> > was powerless to stop him despite Her explicit instructions!)

> >

> > Richard Payment, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj and others just

picked

> > his lead and did the rest. Today Alan Wherry and John Noyce are

just

> > the tip of this massive mountain of negativity that prevails over

the

> > entire SY organization.

> >

> > As mentioned earlier, without question the message of the Last

> > Judgment and Qiyamah delivered by the Adi Shakti is almost

completely

> > dependent on the testimonies of the three children. " Shri Mataji

> > said, their efforts will be in vain, for the very reason that She

> > said that 'Sahaja Yogis will hear about them later!' " And SYs are

> > slowly but surely starting to hear about them. It is only a

matter of

> > time now before SYs realize what really transpired right under

their

> > noses, and the efforts of the Alan Wherrys and John Noyces to

> > suppress the very evidence given by Shri Mataji to prove who She

is.

> >

> > Since Sahaja Yoga is nothing else but the Adi Shakti delivering

the

> > Divine Message there is absolutely no way the SY organization can

> > survive without the testimonies of the children. The only chance

of

> > survival for the SY organization will be to acknowledge all that

the

> > children have given testimony about the Devi. Given the present

dire

> > straits that the organization is in that is a forgone conclusion.

> >

> > Even if they resist, Shri Mataji's eventual Mahasamadhi absolutely

> > ensures their demise. There is just no way it can survive without

the

> > testimonies of the children.

> >

> > i know that more and more dissenting voices demanding

transparency in

> > announcing Shri Mataji's advent and message will be heard over the

> > years within the SY organization. Our job is to bear witness,

record

> > and protect the Truth that proves Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the

> > incarnation of the Adi Shakti sent to deliver the Divine Message

to

> > humanity. Under no circumstance must this conscience be

compromised.

> >

> > regards to all,

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> > ------------------------------

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > i came across a wonderful quote that resonates deeply in my heart,

> > one that buttresses the foundation on which the www.adishakti.org

> > site is built:

> >

> > " I believe that any religious teaching that does not free a man to

> > know God and retain his personality and mind is a cult or becoming

> > one. "

> >

> > Having said that, i also believe that the present SYSSR with all

its

> > fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty has become a cult.

That

> > is the main reason why, since leaving it years ago, i have been

able

> > to so clearly see that Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga is but the

> > skin of the onion. The message of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

> > delivered by the Adi Shakti is the rest.

> >

> > i cannot find the words to describe this unprecedented synthesis

of

> > all major religions and their holy books. It is so liberating and

> > comforting to the mind, body and spirit to realize that your

faith is

> > based on daily personal experience of the Cool Breeze promised by

the

> > scriptures to all those taking part in the Blossom Time. You are

not

> > talking about a single religion but the collective core of all. As

> > the Adi Shakti has said so beautifully:

> >

> > " The main thing that one has to understand is that the time has

come

> > for you to get all that is promised in the scriptures, not only in

> > the Bible but all the scriptures of the world. The time has come

> > today that you have to become a Christian, a Brahmin, a Pir,

through

> > your Kundalini awakening only. There is no other way. And that

your

> > Last Judgment is also now. "

> >

> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> >

> > Fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty will never free a man

to

> > know God/Self. Please discard the useless onion skin that the

present

> > SY organization has made a cult into. Please free your mind from

the

> > fear of being labeled a non-SY or told to leave if you do not

follow

> > their fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty. Please be

truthful

> > to your Self and your fellow humans. Please be as transparent and

> > fearless and conscientious as Shri Mataji was ....... and still

is.

> >

> > warmest regards,

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Yogikumud,

 

First of all i would prefer other SYs NOT to join in the criticism. i

wanted to say this for some time and this is the right opportunity.

Two of us are more than enough to bring SY to task, and compile a

database for future generations to realize how the SY leadership not

only hijacked the Will of Shri Mataji, which they proudly admit, but

also Her Divine Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. i have

serious doubts if SYs like Yogikumud even comprehend what is really

at stake, and get all worked up for no good reason. They seem to

forget that demanding SYs to be honest and fearless in defending Truth

is a vital requirement of Self-realization.

 

Yogimund, i just want to ask you these simple questions:

 

i) Do you think we SYs have the duty to speak up against all forms of

lies, hypocrisy and falsehood as did the incarnations like Shri

Krishna, Rama, Jesus, Guru Nanak, Gobind, Prophet Muhammad etc? Do

you think they have erred for doing so? If not, have Violet and

myself erred?

 

ii) Will you send WCASY members/SY leaders the same advise if i gave

you evidence of their criticism/lies against fellow SYs? Will you

admonish them for being dishonest about the Adi Shakti's advent and

message to humanity (which i regard as a crime against humanity)?

 

iii) Are you only concerned about the welfare of SYs? Don't you think

the rest of humanity are also the creation of the Adi Shakti, and

deserve our respect, compassion and honesty? Do you believe we (which

includes you too) should be conscientious and truthful to them so

that they are aware of Shri Mataji's Divine Message which SYs, unlike

Her, only dare discuss in private?

 

iv) Do you even know the meaning, purpose and power of Sat (Truth)?

 

i will be much obliged if you are as truthful as you are defensive of

SY in your answers. Please answer all questions. Thank you.

 

regards,

 

jagbir

 

 

 

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Yogikumud,

>

> From what you say it is obvious you do not understand the

distinction between the organisation called Sahaja Yoga and Sahaja

Yoga Itself, which is one's Union with the Divine. Sahaja Yoga is

your Union with the Divine, which cannot be contained by any

religious boundaries. Would you think that just because a Christian

Minister addresses his whole congregation as 'Christians', that it

means that each and every person there, is a sincere, honest, and

true Christian? No! The minister addresses them as Christians in the

hope that they will become sincere, honest, and true Christians. In

the same way, just because Shri Mataji addresses all the people who

attend to hear Her as 'Sahaja Yogis' doesn't mean they are sincere,

honest, and true Sahaja Yogis, though She hopes they will be! Shri

Mataji has put a lot of faith and trust in those whom She

calls 'Sahaja Yogis', but are Sahaja Yogis proving worthy of that

trust? Have they openly told Her Identity, Mission, Message and

Evidence that She gave to confirm Her Incarnation? If not, why not?

As for your disparaging remarks your ignorance is showing, especially

since you know all that we have written " for long time " .

>

> regards,

>

> violet

>

>

>

> , " Kumud

> Sharma " <yogikumud@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir and Violet,

> >

> > Jai Shri Mataji,

> >

> > Dear Sahaji brothers and sisters,

> >

> > Reading your postings for long time and it seems you are

> questioning and

> > answering both to each other and

> > speaking venom against SY, a creation of Adishakti. Even a SY has

> should not

> > speak or express single word

> > against other SY. How you can criticise when you are all that.We

> see what we

> > are in our own mirror.

> >

> > With love

> > Yogikumud

> >

> >

> > On Jan 19, 2008 9:24 PM, jagbir singh <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > > --- In

> <%

40>,

> > > " Violet "

> > > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jagbir (and All)

> > > >

> > > > i have been contemplating on what Shri Mataji said at Sydney

> > > Airport in 1994, namely that She said that " children from

> Montreal,

> > > who would not be in the organisation of Sahaja Yoga, would give

> > > evidence to confirm Her Incarnation " :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > http://adishakti.org/forum/

> shri_mataji_told_of_a_great_blessing_to_man

> > > kind_10-04-2006.htm

> > > >

> > > > i recall that She said that we (Sahaja Yogis) would not hear

> about

> > > them now (i.e. 'back then'), but that we would hear about them

> later

> > > (i.e. 'perhaps now').

> > > >

> > > > Considering how much effort John Noyce, Alan Wherry et al have

> > > expended to prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the " special

> > > children " Shri Mataji talked about ----- according to what Shri

> > > Mataji said, their efforts will be in vain, for the very reason

> that

> > > She said that 'Sahaja Yogis will hear about them later!'

> > > >

> > > > i think that " later " is starting to eventuate.

> > > >

> > > > Oh, btw. i still do wonder why they expended so many efforts

to

> > > prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the children, anyway!

The

> > > evidence that the children bring, is not threatening in any way

at

> > > all, as far as i can see! (smile)

> > > >

> > > > warmest regards,

> > > >

> > > > violet

> > > >

> > >

> > > Dear Violet and all,

> > >

> > > In one of the previous post i wrote:

> > >

> > > " That is the main reason why, since leaving it years ago, i have

> been

> > > able to so clearly see that Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga is

> but the

> > > skin of the onion. The message of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

> > > delivered by the Adi Shakti is the rest. "

> > >

> > > Without question the message of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

> > > delivered by the Adi Shakti is almost completely dependent on

the

> > > testimonies of the three children over the years. Take away that

> > > evidence and all you will have is the shell that is Sahaja Yoga

> > > today. There is just no way the Divine Message can be delivered.

> > >

> > > The central message of the Comforter, Last Judgment and Kingdom

> of God

> > > requires the evidence of independent, third-party witnesses.

This

> has

> > > been abundantly provided by them.

> > >

> > > The same goes for the central message of Qiyamah and His Ruh. In

> fact

> > > you are inviting extreme danger by declaring Qiyamah to the

> Muslims

> > > without the Sure Signs of the Quran witnessed by Kash, and the

> > > questions he posed to the Adi Shakti regarding them.

> > >

> > > Kash was also pivotal in questioning Guru Nanak regarding the

> Aykaa

> > > Mayee. For the first time in the history of Sikhism the

Primordial

> > > Mother has been revealed, and the Divine Feminine is again

> ascending.

> > > She is the Inner Guru mentioned numerous times over the

voluminous

> > > Guru Granth Sahib.

> > >

> > > Then you have the Adi Shakti Herself who stands beyond all

> > > scriptures, including that of Hinduism that describe Her in the

> > > greatest of detail and are vastly superior. Never has the

Sanatana

> > > Dharma reached this epic height. (i have always maintained that

i

> am

> > > like an ant trying to understand the universe, and at most 2%

> > > enlightened. i am talking about the Devi and all that i have

known

> > > about Her till today. That 2% includes the message, evidence and

> the

> > > esoteric nature and knowledge of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

> > > delivered by the Adi Shakti.)

> > >

> > > Yes Violet, we all have to wonder " why they expended so many

> efforts

> > > to prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the children, anyway!

> The

> > > evidence that the children bring is not threatening in any way

at

> > > all " . Till today the children have never inquired what is

> happening

> > > in Sahaja Yoga, or how are SYs reacting. In fact they are not at

> all

> > > concerned, or wish to be known or acknowledged in any way

> whatsoever.

> > > They are just like the millions of children leading a normal

life.

> > >

> > > But ever since they started giving evidence of the Adi Shakti SY

> > > leaders began a campaign to demonize them. Ex-world leader Yogi

> > > Mahajan started a very successful propaganda campaign to

discredit

> > > and assassinate their character, even inventing unspeakable lies

> just

> > > to expel them out of the school in Dharamsala, India. (Shri

Mataji

> > > was powerless to stop him despite Her explicit instructions!)

> > >

> > > Richard Payment, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj and others just

> picked

> > > his lead and did the rest. Today Alan Wherry and John Noyce are

> just

> > > the tip of this massive mountain of negativity that prevails

over

> the

> > > entire SY organization.

> > >

> > > As mentioned earlier, without question the message of the Last

> > > Judgment and Qiyamah delivered by the Adi Shakti is almost

> completely

> > > dependent on the testimonies of the three children. " Shri Mataji

> > > said, their efforts will be in vain, for the very reason that

She

> > > said that 'Sahaja Yogis will hear about them later!' " And SYs

are

> > > slowly but surely starting to hear about them. It is only a

> matter of

> > > time now before SYs realize what really transpired right under

> their

> > > noses, and the efforts of the Alan Wherrys and John Noyces to

> > > suppress the very evidence given by Shri Mataji to prove who She

> is.

> > >

> > > Since Sahaja Yoga is nothing else but the Adi Shakti delivering

> the

> > > Divine Message there is absolutely no way the SY organization

can

> > > survive without the testimonies of the children. The only chance

> of

> > > survival for the SY organization will be to acknowledge all that

> the

> > > children have given testimony about the Devi. Given the present

> dire

> > > straits that the organization is in that is a forgone

conclusion.

> > >

> > > Even if they resist, Shri Mataji's eventual Mahasamadhi

absolutely

> > > ensures their demise. There is just no way it can survive

without

> the

> > > testimonies of the children.

> > >

> > > i know that more and more dissenting voices demanding

> transparency in

> > > announcing Shri Mataji's advent and message will be heard over

the

> > > years within the SY organization. Our job is to bear witness,

> record

> > > and protect the Truth that proves Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is

the

> > > incarnation of the Adi Shakti sent to deliver the Divine Message

> to

> > > humanity. Under no circumstance must this conscience be

> compromised.

> > >

> > > regards to all,

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > i came across a wonderful quote that resonates deeply in my

heart,

> > > one that buttresses the foundation on which the

www.adishakti.org

> > > site is built:

> > >

> > > " I believe that any religious teaching that does not free a man

to

> > > know God and retain his personality and mind is a cult or

becoming

> > > one. "

> > >

> > > Having said that, i also believe that the present SYSSR with all

> its

> > > fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty has become a cult.

> That

> > > is the main reason why, since leaving it years ago, i have been

> able

> > > to so clearly see that Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga is but

the

> > > skin of the onion. The message of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

> > > delivered by the Adi Shakti is the rest.

> > >

> > > i cannot find the words to describe this unprecedented synthesis

> of

> > > all major religions and their holy books. It is so liberating

and

> > > comforting to the mind, body and spirit to realize that your

> faith is

> > > based on daily personal experience of the Cool Breeze promised

by

> the

> > > scriptures to all those taking part in the Blossom Time. You are

> not

> > > talking about a single religion but the collective core of all.

As

> > > the Adi Shakti has said so beautifully:

> > >

> > > " The main thing that one has to understand is that the time has

> come

> > > for you to get all that is promised in the scriptures, not only

in

> > > the Bible but all the scriptures of the world. The time has come

> > > today that you have to become a Christian, a Brahmin, a Pir,

> through

> > > your Kundalini awakening only. There is no other way. And that

> your

> > > Last Judgment is also now. "

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > >

> > > Fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty will never free a

man

> to

> > > know God/Self. Please discard the useless onion skin that the

> present

> > > SY organization has made a cult into. Please free your mind from

> the

> > > fear of being labeled a non-SY or told to leave if you do not

> follow

> > > their fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty. Please be

> truthful

> > > to your Self and your fellow humans. Please be as transparent

and

> > > fearless and conscientious as Shri Mataji was ....... and still

> is.

> > >

> > > warmest regards,

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbirji,Jai Shri Mataji,Once an article by you answered to all questions by one answer and the same isto all volley of questions : " Silence on self " .Truth manifests when our self's silence is expressed without expression and Her Will is supreme( She is Viratangana) . The moment reaction from mind is there we are away from truth as rhythm of chitta's anand in supreme blissby reaction is disturbed. Its true that message of the Adishakti will be there by any person who has known Her Mahamaya face. And being children of Adishakti ,as we all are whether within SY oroutside SY, it will be resounding always from every true SY. When we are on tour for spreading SY-Message of Divine love all Sys mentions Her as ADISHAKTI 's incarnation and once people get realisation they bow with full surrenderbetter than any one of us at initial first moment.This time is different. You are also welcome to come to Calcutta , Chhatisgarh , Orissa and other

parts where every day SY programme is going on and the message is quite clear " The great Mother has come to emancipate people from sufferings and give them Moksha( Mokshpradayani).Besides, followers of Kabir , Dadu Dayalji and other Vedanta students /Aacharya's are also spreading her message not through SY system but at their own initiative after realisation.There are many such instances.SY is obvioiusly not any organisation but a collectivity of Mother's children and to guide such a bigfamily some people are called leaders who give sufficient time to manage affairs and keep an eye on all, as directed by the people. Like your son and daughter here in India there are many miracle realised souls have taken birth with Kalki's white horse in hand and stories unending but these are not spoken for safety of such invaluable assets of our SY family. Your children are our assets so please hold on until time ripes.We are not here to judge anyone but ourselves as Kalki's work has started and SHE knows all those who speak too much, those who claim too much, those who write too much, those who do not do anything , those who are silent outside and those who are silent souls.

Kartum- Akartum is state when a person is in SY and a Sahaja Yogi in true sense.Everything in Nothing is the state Mother has given us.Silence --by non-reaction from outside and inside both but yet manifesting Will of Her is SY.

With loveKumud SharmaOn Jan 21, 2008 5:31 PM, jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:

 

 

 

 

Hi Yogikumud,

 

First of all i would prefer other SYs NOT to join in the criticism. i

wanted to say this for some time and this is the right opportunity.

Two of us are more than enough to bring SY to task, and compile a

database for future generations to realize how the SY leadership not

only hijacked the Will of Shri Mataji, which they proudly admit, but

also Her Divine Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. i have

serious doubts if SYs like Yogikumud even comprehend what is really

at stake, and get all worked up for no good reason. They seem to

forget that demanding SYs to be honest and fearless in defending Truth

is a vital requirement of Self-realization.

 

Yogimund, i just want to ask you these simple questions:

 

i) Do you think we SYs have the duty to speak up against all forms of

lies, hypocrisy and falsehood as did the incarnations like Shri

Krishna, Rama, Jesus, Guru Nanak, Gobind, Prophet Muhammad etc? Do

you think they have erred for doing so? If not, have Violet and

myself erred?

 

ii) Will you send WCASY members/SY leaders the same advise if i gave

you evidence of their criticism/lies against fellow SYs? Will you

admonish them for being dishonest about the Adi Shakti's advent and

message to humanity (which i regard as a crime against humanity)?

 

iii) Are you only concerned about the welfare of SYs? Don't you think

the rest of humanity are also the creation of the Adi Shakti, and

deserve our respect, compassion and honesty? Do you believe we (which

includes you too) should be conscientious and truthful to them so

that they are aware of Shri Mataji's Divine Message which SYs, unlike

Her, only dare discuss in private?

 

iv) Do you even know the meaning, purpose and power of Sat (Truth)?

 

i will be much obliged if you are as truthful as you are defensive of

SY in your answers. Please answer all questions. Thank you.

 

regards,

 

jagbir

 

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Yogikumud,

>

> From what you say it is obvious you do not understand the

distinction between the organisation called Sahaja Yoga and Sahaja

Yoga Itself, which is one's Union with the Divine. Sahaja Yoga is

your Union with the Divine, which cannot be contained by any

religious boundaries. Would you think that just because a Christian

Minister addresses his whole congregation as 'Christians', that it

means that each and every person there, is a sincere, honest, and

true Christian? No! The minister addresses them as Christians in the

hope that they will become sincere, honest, and true Christians. In

the same way, just because Shri Mataji addresses all the people who

attend to hear Her as 'Sahaja Yogis' doesn't mean they are sincere,

honest, and true Sahaja Yogis, though She hopes they will be! Shri

Mataji has put a lot of faith and trust in those whom She

calls 'Sahaja Yogis', but are Sahaja Yogis proving worthy of that

trust? Have they openly told Her Identity, Mission, Message and

Evidence that She gave to confirm Her Incarnation? If not, why not?

As for your disparaging remarks your ignorance is showing, especially

since you know all that we have written " for long time " .

>

> regards,

>

> violet

>

>

>

> , " Kumud

> Sharma " <yogikumud@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir and Violet,

> >

> > Jai Shri Mataji,

> >

> > Dear Sahaji brothers and sisters,

> >

> > Reading your postings for long time and it seems you are

> questioning and

> > answering both to each other and

> > speaking venom against SY, a creation of Adishakti. Even a SY has

> should not

> > speak or express single word

> > against other SY. How you can criticise when you are all that.We

> see what we

> > are in our own mirror.

> >

> > With love

> > Yogikumud

> >

> >

> > On Jan 19, 2008 9:24 PM, jagbir singh <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > > --- In

> <%

40>,

> > > " Violet "

> > > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jagbir (and All)

> > > >

> > > > i have been contemplating on what Shri Mataji said at Sydney

> > > Airport in 1994, namely that She said that " children from

> Montreal,

> > > who would not be in the organisation of Sahaja Yoga, would give

> > > evidence to confirm Her Incarnation " :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > http://adishakti.org/forum/

> shri_mataji_told_of_a_great_blessing_to_man

> > > kind_10-04-2006.htm

> > > >

> > > > i recall that She said that we (Sahaja Yogis) would not hear

> about

> > > them now (i.e. 'back then'), but that we would hear about them

> later

> > > (i.e. 'perhaps now').

> > > >

> > > > Considering how much effort John Noyce, Alan Wherry et al have

> > > expended to prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the " special

> > > children " Shri Mataji talked about ----- according to what Shri

> > > Mataji said, their efforts will be in vain, for the very reason

> that

> > > She said that 'Sahaja Yogis will hear about them later!'

> > > >

> > > > i think that " later " is starting to eventuate.

> > > >

> > > > Oh, btw. i still do wonder why they expended so many efforts

to

> > > prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the children, anyway!

The

> > > evidence that the children bring, is not threatening in any way

at

> > > all, as far as i can see! (smile)

> > > >

> > > > warmest regards,

> > > >

> > > > violet

> > > >

> > >

> > > Dear Violet and all,

> > >

> > > In one of the previous post i wrote:

> > >

> > > " That is the main reason why, since leaving it years ago, i have

> been

> > > able to so clearly see that Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga is

> but the

> > > skin of the onion. The message of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

> > > delivered by the Adi Shakti is the rest. "

> > >

> > > Without question the message of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

> > > delivered by the Adi Shakti is almost completely dependent on

the

> > > testimonies of the three children over the years. Take away that

> > > evidence and all you will have is the shell that is Sahaja Yoga

> > > today. There is just no way the Divine Message can be delivered.

> > >

> > > The central message of the Comforter, Last Judgment and Kingdom

> of God

> > > requires the evidence of independent, third-party witnesses.

This

> has

> > > been abundantly provided by them.

> > >

> > > The same goes for the central message of Qiyamah and His Ruh. In

> fact

> > > you are inviting extreme danger by declaring Qiyamah to the

> Muslims

> > > without the Sure Signs of the Quran witnessed by Kash, and the

> > > questions he posed to the Adi Shakti regarding them.

> > >

> > > Kash was also pivotal in questioning Guru Nanak regarding the

> Aykaa

> > > Mayee. For the first time in the history of Sikhism the

Primordial

> > > Mother has been revealed, and the Divine Feminine is again

> ascending.

> > > She is the Inner Guru mentioned numerous times over the

voluminous

> > > Guru Granth Sahib.

> > >

> > > Then you have the Adi Shakti Herself who stands beyond all

> > > scriptures, including that of Hinduism that describe Her in the

> > > greatest of detail and are vastly superior. Never has the

Sanatana

> > > Dharma reached this epic height. (i have always maintained that

i

> am

> > > like an ant trying to understand the universe, and at most 2%

> > > enlightened. i am talking about the Devi and all that i have

known

> > > about Her till today. That 2% includes the message, evidence and

> the

> > > esoteric nature and knowledge of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

> > > delivered by the Adi Shakti.)

> > >

> > > Yes Violet, we all have to wonder " why they expended so many

> efforts

> > > to prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the children, anyway!

> The

> > > evidence that the children bring is not threatening in any way

at

> > > all " . Till today the children have never inquired what is

> happening

> > > in Sahaja Yoga, or how are SYs reacting. In fact they are not at

> all

> > > concerned, or wish to be known or acknowledged in any way

> whatsoever.

> > > They are just like the millions of children leading a normal

life.

> > >

> > > But ever since they started giving evidence of the Adi Shakti SY

> > > leaders began a campaign to demonize them. Ex-world leader Yogi

> > > Mahajan started a very successful propaganda campaign to

discredit

> > > and assassinate their character, even inventing unspeakable lies

> just

> > > to expel them out of the school in Dharamsala, India. (Shri

Mataji

> > > was powerless to stop him despite Her explicit instructions!)

> > >

> > > Richard Payment, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj and others just

> picked

> > > his lead and did the rest. Today Alan Wherry and John Noyce are

> just

> > > the tip of this massive mountain of negativity that prevails

over

> the

> > > entire SY organization.

> > >

> > > As mentioned earlier, without question the message of the Last

> > > Judgment and Qiyamah delivered by the Adi Shakti is almost

> completely

> > > dependent on the testimonies of the three children. " Shri Mataji

> > > said, their efforts will be in vain, for the very reason that

She

> > > said that 'Sahaja Yogis will hear about them later!' " And SYs

are

> > > slowly but surely starting to hear about them. It is only a

> matter of

> > > time now before SYs realize what really transpired right under

> their

> > > noses, and the efforts of the Alan Wherrys and John Noyces to

> > > suppress the very evidence given by Shri Mataji to prove who She

> is.

> > >

> > > Since Sahaja Yoga is nothing else but the Adi Shakti delivering

> the

> > > Divine Message there is absolutely no way the SY organization

can

> > > survive without the testimonies of the children. The only chance

> of

> > > survival for the SY organization will be to acknowledge all that

> the

> > > children have given testimony about the Devi. Given the present

> dire

> > > straits that the organization is in that is a forgone

conclusion.

> > >

> > > Even if they resist, Shri Mataji's eventual Mahasamadhi

absolutely

> > > ensures their demise. There is just no way it can survive

without

> the

> > > testimonies of the children.

> > >

> > > i know that more and more dissenting voices demanding

> transparency in

> > > announcing Shri Mataji's advent and message will be heard over

the

> > > years within the SY organization. Our job is to bear witness,

> record

> > > and protect the Truth that proves Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is

the

> > > incarnation of the Adi Shakti sent to deliver the Divine Message

> to

> > > humanity. Under no circumstance must this conscience be

> compromised.

> > >

> > > regards to all,

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > i came across a wonderful quote that resonates deeply in my

heart,

> > > one that buttresses the foundation on which the

www.adishakti.org

> > > site is built:

> > >

> > > " I believe that any religious teaching that does not free a man

to

> > > know God and retain his personality and mind is a cult or

becoming

> > > one. "

> > >

> > > Having said that, i also believe that the present SYSSR with all

> its

> > > fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty has become a cult.

> That

> > > is the main reason why, since leaving it years ago, i have been

> able

> > > to so clearly see that Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga is but

the

> > > skin of the onion. The message of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah

> > > delivered by the Adi Shakti is the rest.

> > >

> > > i cannot find the words to describe this unprecedented synthesis

> of

> > > all major religions and their holy books. It is so liberating

and

> > > comforting to the mind, body and spirit to realize that your

> faith is

> > > based on daily personal experience of the Cool Breeze promised

by

> the

> > > scriptures to all those taking part in the Blossom Time. You are

> not

> > > talking about a single religion but the collective core of all.

As

> > > the Adi Shakti has said so beautifully:

> > >

> > > " The main thing that one has to understand is that the time has

> come

> > > for you to get all that is promised in the scriptures, not only

in

> > > the Bible but all the scriptures of the world. The time has come

> > > today that you have to become a Christian, a Brahmin, a Pir,

> through

> > > your Kundalini awakening only. There is no other way. And that

> your

> > > Last Judgment is also now. "

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > >

> > > Fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty will never free a

man

> to

> > > know God/Self. Please discard the useless onion skin that the

> present

> > > SY organization has made a cult into. Please free your mind from

> the

> > > fear of being labeled a non-SY or told to leave if you do not

> follow

> > > their fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty. Please be

> truthful

> > > to your Self and your fellow humans. Please be as transparent

and

> > > fearless and conscientious as Shri Mataji was ....... and still

> is.

> > >

> > > warmest regards,

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir (and All),

 

We sometimes (but rarely) talk about Shri Kalki via direct quotes from Shri

Mataji and maybe very short comments, as to how it relates to the Book of

Revelation in the Bible and soforth. The only other person i know that talks

quite a bit (and not rarely) about 'Shri Kalki' is Ishmael, which is why i

suspect that Yogikumud (Kumud Sharma) might now be Ishmael. i could be wrong,

however this Kumud Sharma is describing what to me sounds like a

'break-off-group' from Sahaja Yoga, the organisation. i don't like the manner in

which he connects 'Shri Kalki' to your children and his strange comment of:

" Like your son and daughter here in India there are many miracle realised souls

have taken birth with Kalki's white horse in hand " . Also, it is obvious that

Yogikumud (Kumud Sharma) completely evaded your questions. i tend to view

evasion, as a sign of spiritual dishonesty and/or spiritual ignorance. Shri

Mataji said that Sahaja Yogis have all the answers, so why is it so difficult

for them to answer a few vital questions?

 

regards,

 

violet

 

 

, " Kumud

Sharma " <yogikumud wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbirji,

>

> Jai Shri Mataji,

>

> Once an article by you answered to all questions by one answer and

the same

> is

> to all volley of questions : " *Silence on self " .

> Truth manifests when our self's silence is expressed without

expression

> and Her Will is supreme( She is Viratangana) . The moment reaction

from

> mind is there we are away from truth as rhythm of chitta's anand in

supreme

> bliss

> by reaction is disturbed.

> Its true that message of the Adishakti will be there by any person

who has

> known

> Her Mahamaya face. And being children of Adishakti ,as we all are

whether

> within SY or

> outside SY, it will be resounding always from every true SY.

> When we are on tour for spreading SY-Message of Divine love all Sys

mentions

> Her

> as ADISHAKTI 's incarnation and once people get realisation they

bow with

> full surrender

> better than any one of us at initial first moment.

> This time is different. You are also welcome to come to Calcutta ,

> Chhatisgarh , Orissa and other

> parts where every day SY programme is going on and the message is

quite

> clear " The great Mother

> has come to emancipate people from sufferings and give them Moksha(

> Mokshpradayani).

> Besides, followers of Kabir , Dadu Dayalji and other Vedanta

students

> /Aacharya's are also spreading her message not through SY system

but at

> their own initiative after realisation.There are many such

instances.

> SY is obvioiusly not any organisation but a collectivity of Mother's

> children and to guide such a big

> family some people are called leaders who give sufficient time to

manage

> affairs and keep an eye

> on all, as directed by the people.

> Like your son and daughter here in India there are many miracle

realised

> souls have taken birth

> with Kalki's white horse in hand and stories unending but these

are not

> spoken for safety of such

> invaluable assets of our SY family. Your children are our assets so

please

> hold on until time ripes.

> We are not here to judge anyone but ourselves as Kalki's work has

started

> and SHE knows all those

> who speak too much, those who claim too much, those who write too

much,

> those who do not do anything , those who are silent outside and

those who

> are silent souls.

> Kartum- Akartum is state when a person is in SY and a Sahaja Yogi

in true

> sense.

> Everything in Nothing is the state Mother has given us.

> Silence --by non-reaction from outside and inside both but yet

manifesting

> Will of Her is SY.

>

>

> With love

> Kumud Sharma

> *

> On Jan 21, 2008 5:31 PM, jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> > Hi Yogikumud,

> >

> > First of all i would prefer other SYs NOT to join in the

criticism. i

> > wanted to say this for some time and this is the right

opportunity.

> > Two of us are more than enough to bring SY to task, and compile a

> > database for future generations to realize how the SY leadership

not

> > only hijacked the Will of Shri Mataji, which they proudly admit,

but

> > also Her Divine Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. i

have

> > serious doubts if SYs like Yogikumud even comprehend what is

really

> > at stake, and get all worked up for no good reason. They seem to

> > forget that demanding SYs to be honest and fearless in defending

Truth

> > is a vital requirement of Self-realization.

> >

> > Yogimund, i just want to ask you these simple questions:

> >

> > i) Do you think we SYs have the duty to speak up against all

forms of

> > lies, hypocrisy and falsehood as did the incarnations like Shri

> > Krishna, Rama, Jesus, Guru Nanak, Gobind, Prophet Muhammad etc? Do

> > you think they have erred for doing so? If not, have Violet and

> > myself erred?

> >

> > ii) Will you send WCASY members/SY leaders the same advise if i

gave

> > you evidence of their criticism/lies against fellow SYs? Will you

> > admonish them for being dishonest about the Adi Shakti's advent

and

> > message to humanity (which i regard as a crime against humanity)?

> >

> > iii) Are you only concerned about the welfare of SYs? Don't you

think

> > the rest of humanity are also the creation of the Adi Shakti, and

> > deserve our respect, compassion and honesty? Do you believe we

(which

> > includes you too) should be conscientious and truthful to them so

> > that they are aware of Shri Mataji's Divine Message which SYs,

unlike

> > Her, only dare discuss in private?

> >

> > iv) Do you even know the meaning, purpose and power of Sat

(Truth)?

> >

> > i will be much obliged if you are as truthful as you are

defensive of

> > SY in your answers. Please answer all questions. Thank you.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> > --- In

<%40>,

> > " Violet "

> >

> > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Yogikumud,

> > >

> > > From what you say it is obvious you do not understand the

> > distinction between the organisation called Sahaja Yoga and Sahaja

> > Yoga Itself, which is one's Union with the Divine. Sahaja Yoga is

> > your Union with the Divine, which cannot be contained by any

> > religious boundaries. Would you think that just because a

Christian

> > Minister addresses his whole congregation as 'Christians', that it

> > means that each and every person there, is a sincere, honest, and

> > true Christian? No! The minister addresses them as Christians in

the

> > hope that they will become sincere, honest, and true Christians.

In

> > the same way, just because Shri Mataji addresses all the people

who

> > attend to hear Her as 'Sahaja Yogis' doesn't mean they are

sincere,

> > honest, and true Sahaja Yogis, though She hopes they will be! Shri

> > Mataji has put a lot of faith and trust in those whom She

> > calls 'Sahaja Yogis', but are Sahaja Yogis proving worthy of that

> > trust? Have they openly told Her Identity, Mission, Message and

> > Evidence that She gave to confirm Her Incarnation? If not, why

not?

> > As for your disparaging remarks your ignorance is showing,

especially

> > since you know all that we have written " for long time " .

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > violet

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40>,

> > " Kumud

> > > Sharma " <yogikumud@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jagbir and Violet,

> > > >

> > > > Jai Shri Mataji,

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sahaji brothers and sisters,

> > > >

> > > > Reading your postings for long time and it seems you are

> > > questioning and

> > > > answering both to each other and

> > > > speaking venom against SY, a creation of Adishakti. Even a SY

has

> > > should not

> > > > speak or express single word

> > > > against other SY. How you can criticise when you are all

that.We

> > > see what we

> > > > are in our own mirror.

> > > >

> > > > With love

> > > > Yogikumud

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Jan 19, 2008 9:24 PM, jagbir singh <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > >

<%40>

> > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > > " Violet "

> > > > > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Jagbir (and All)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i have been contemplating on what Shri Mataji said at

Sydney

> > > > > Airport in 1994, namely that She said that " children from

> > > Montreal,

> > > > > who would not be in the organisation of Sahaja Yoga, would

give

> > > > > evidence to confirm Her Incarnation " :

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > http://adishakti.org/forum/

> > > shri_mataji_told_of_a_great_blessing_to_man

> > > > > kind_10-04-2006.htm

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i recall that She said that we (Sahaja Yogis) would not

hear

> > > about

> > > > > them now (i.e. 'back then'), but that we would hear about

them

> > > later

> > > > > (i.e. 'perhaps now').

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Considering how much effort John Noyce, Alan Wherry et al

have

> > > > > expended to prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the

" special

> > > > > children " Shri Mataji talked about ----- according to what

Shri

> > > > > Mataji said, their efforts will be in vain, for the very

reason

> > > that

> > > > > She said that 'Sahaja Yogis will hear about them later!'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i think that " later " is starting to eventuate.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Oh, btw. i still do wonder why they expended so many

efforts

> > to

> > > > > prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the children,

anyway!

> > The

> > > > > evidence that the children bring, is not threatening in any

way

> > at

> > > > > all, as far as i can see! (smile)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > warmest regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > violet

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Violet and all,

> > > > >

> > > > > In one of the previous post i wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > " That is the main reason why, since leaving it years ago, i

have

> > > been

> > > > > able to so clearly see that Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga

is

> > > but the

> > > > > skin of the onion. The message of the Last Judgment and

Qiyamah

> > > > > delivered by the Adi Shakti is the rest. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Without question the message of the Last Judgment and

Qiyamah

> > > > > delivered by the Adi Shakti is almost completely dependent

on

> > the

> > > > > testimonies of the three children over the years. Take away

that

> > > > > evidence and all you will have is the shell that is Sahaja

Yoga

> > > > > today. There is just no way the Divine Message can be

delivered.

> > > > >

> > > > > The central message of the Comforter, Last Judgment and

Kingdom

> > > of God

> > > > > requires the evidence of independent, third-party witnesses.

> > This

> > > has

> > > > > been abundantly provided by them.

> > > > >

> > > > > The same goes for the central message of Qiyamah and His

Ruh. In

> > > fact

> > > > > you are inviting extreme danger by declaring Qiyamah to the

> > > Muslims

> > > > > without the Sure Signs of the Quran witnessed by Kash, and

the

> > > > > questions he posed to the Adi Shakti regarding them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kash was also pivotal in questioning Guru Nanak regarding

the

> > > Aykaa

> > > > > Mayee. For the first time in the history of Sikhism the

> > Primordial

> > > > > Mother has been revealed, and the Divine Feminine is again

> > > ascending.

> > > > > She is the Inner Guru mentioned numerous times over the

> > voluminous

> > > > > Guru Granth Sahib.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then you have the Adi Shakti Herself who stands beyond all

> > > > > scriptures, including that of Hinduism that describe Her in

the

> > > > > greatest of detail and are vastly superior. Never has the

> > Sanatana

> > > > > Dharma reached this epic height. (i have always maintained

that

> > i

> > > am

> > > > > like an ant trying to understand the universe, and at most

2%

> > > > > enlightened. i am talking about the Devi and all that i have

> > known

> > > > > about Her till today. That 2% includes the message,

evidence and

> > > the

> > > > > esoteric nature and knowledge of the Last Judgment and

Qiyamah

> > > > > delivered by the Adi Shakti.)

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes Violet, we all have to wonder " why they expended so many

> > > efforts

> > > > > to prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the children,

anyway!

> > > The

> > > > > evidence that the children bring is not threatening in any

way

> > at

> > > > > all " . Till today the children have never inquired what is

> > > happening

> > > > > in Sahaja Yoga, or how are SYs reacting. In fact they are

not at

> > > all

> > > > > concerned, or wish to be known or acknowledged in any way

> > > whatsoever.

> > > > > They are just like the millions of children leading a normal

> > life.

> > > > >

> > > > > But ever since they started giving evidence of the Adi

Shakti SY

> > > > > leaders began a campaign to demonize them. Ex-world leader

Yogi

> > > > > Mahajan started a very successful propaganda campaign to

> > discredit

> > > > > and assassinate their character, even inventing unspeakable

lies

> > > just

> > > > > to expel them out of the school in Dharamsala, India. (Shri

> > Mataji

> > > > > was powerless to stop him despite Her explicit

instructions!)

> > > > >

> > > > > Richard Payment, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj and others

just

> > > picked

> > > > > his lead and did the rest. Today Alan Wherry and John Noyce

are

> > > just

> > > > > the tip of this massive mountain of negativity that prevails

> > over

> > > the

> > > > > entire SY organization.

> > > > >

> > > > > As mentioned earlier, without question the message of the

Last

> > > > > Judgment and Qiyamah delivered by the Adi Shakti is almost

> > > completely

> > > > > dependent on the testimonies of the three children. " Shri

Mataji

> > > > > said, their efforts will be in vain, for the very reason

that

> > She

> > > > > said that 'Sahaja Yogis will hear about them later!' " And

SYs

> > are

> > > > > slowly but surely starting to hear about them. It is only a

> > > matter of

> > > > > time now before SYs realize what really transpired right

under

> > > their

> > > > > noses, and the efforts of the Alan Wherrys and John Noyces

to

> > > > > suppress the very evidence given by Shri Mataji to prove

who She

> > > is.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since Sahaja Yoga is nothing else but the Adi Shakti

delivering

> > > the

> > > > > Divine Message there is absolutely no way the SY

organization

> > can

> > > > > survive without the testimonies of the children. The only

chance

> > > of

> > > > > survival for the SY organization will be to acknowledge all

that

> > > the

> > > > > children have given testimony about the Devi. Given the

present

> > > dire

> > > > > straits that the organization is in that is a forgone

> > conclusion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even if they resist, Shri Mataji's eventual Mahasamadhi

> > absolutely

> > > > > ensures their demise. There is just no way it can survive

> > without

> > > the

> > > > > testimonies of the children.

> > > > >

> > > > > i know that more and more dissenting voices demanding

> > > transparency in

> > > > > announcing Shri Mataji's advent and message will be heard

over

> > the

> > > > > years within the SY organization. Our job is to bear

witness,

> > > record

> > > > > and protect the Truth that proves Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

is

> > the

> > > > > incarnation of the Adi Shakti sent to deliver the Divine

Message

> > > to

> > > > > humanity. Under no circumstance must this conscience be

> > > compromised.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards to all,

> > > > >

> > > > > jagbir

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear all,

> > > > >

> > > > > i came across a wonderful quote that resonates deeply in my

> > heart,

> > > > > one that buttresses the foundation on which the

> > www.adishakti.org

> > > > > site is built:

> > > > >

> > > > > " I believe that any religious teaching that does not free a

man

> > to

> > > > > know God and retain his personality and mind is a cult or

> > becoming

> > > > > one. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Having said that, i also believe that the present SYSSR

with all

> > > its

> > > > > fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty has become a

cult.

> > > That

> > > > > is the main reason why, since leaving it years ago, i have

been

> > > able

> > > > > to so clearly see that Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga is

but

> > the

> > > > > skin of the onion. The message of the Last Judgment and

Qiyamah

> > > > > delivered by the Adi Shakti is the rest.

> > > > >

> > > > > i cannot find the words to describe this unprecedented

synthesis

> > > of

> > > > > all major religions and their holy books. It is so

liberating

> > and

> > > > > comforting to the mind, body and spirit to realize that your

> > > faith is

> > > > > based on daily personal experience of the Cool Breeze

promised

> > by

> > > the

> > > > > scriptures to all those taking part in the Blossom Time.

You are

> > > not

> > > > > talking about a single religion but the collective core of

all.

> > As

> > > > > the Adi Shakti has said so beautifully:

> > > > >

> > > > > " The main thing that one has to understand is that the time

has

> > > come

> > > > > for you to get all that is promised in the scriptures, not

only

> > in

> > > > > the Bible but all the scriptures of the world. The time has

come

> > > > > today that you have to become a Christian, a Brahmin, a Pir,

> > > through

> > > > > your Kundalini awakening only. There is no other way. And

that

> > > your

> > > > > Last Judgment is also now. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > > > >

> > > > > Fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty will never free

a

> > man

> > > to

> > > > > know God/Self. Please discard the useless onion skin that

the

> > > present

> > > > > SY organization has made a cult into. Please free your mind

from

> > > the

> > > > > fear of being labeled a non-SY or told to leave if you do

not

> > > follow

> > > > > their fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty. Please be

> > > truthful

> > > > > to your Self and your fellow humans. Please be as

transparent

> > and

> > > > > fearless and conscientious as Shri Mataji was ....... and

still

> > > is.

> > > > >

> > > > > warmest regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > jagbir

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kumud Sharma,

 

Can you respond to these allegations? Violet has made some valid

points that need to be addressed by you. i too want you to clarify

the Kalki-related sentences. What do you mean by them?

 

regards,

 

jagbir

 

, " Violet "

<violet.tubb wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir (and All),

>

> We sometimes (but rarely) talk about Shri Kalki via direct quotes

from Shri Mataji and maybe very short comments, as to how it relates

to the Book of Revelation in the Bible and soforth. The only other

person i know that talks quite a bit (and not rarely) about 'Shri

Kalki' is Ishmael, which is why i suspect that Yogikumud (Kumud

Sharma) might now be Ishmael. i could be wrong, however this Kumud

Sharma is describing what to me sounds like a 'break-off-group' from

Sahaja Yoga, the organisation. i don't like the manner in which he

connects 'Shri Kalki' to your children and his strange comment

of: " Like your son and daughter here in India there are many miracle

realised souls have taken birth with Kalki's white horse in hand " .

Also, it is obvious that Yogikumud (Kumud Sharma) completely evaded

your questions. i tend to view evasion, as a sign of spiritual

dishonesty and/or spiritual ignorance. Shri Mataji said that Sahaja

Yogis have all the answers, so why is it so difficult for them to

answer a few vital questions?

>

> regards,

>

> violet

>

>

> , " Kumud

> Sharma " <yogikumud@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbirji,

> >

> > Jai Shri Mataji,

> >

> > Once an article by you answered to all questions by one answer and

> the same

> > is

> > to all volley of questions : " *Silence on self " .

> > Truth manifests when our self's silence is expressed without

> expression

> > and Her Will is supreme( She is Viratangana) . The moment reaction

> from

> > mind is there we are away from truth as rhythm of chitta's anand

in

> supreme

> > bliss

> > by reaction is disturbed.

> > Its true that message of the Adishakti will be there by any person

> who has

> > known

> > Her Mahamaya face. And being children of Adishakti ,as we all are

> whether

> > within SY or

> > outside SY, it will be resounding always from every true SY.

> > When we are on tour for spreading SY-Message of Divine love all

Sys

> mentions

> > Her

> > as ADISHAKTI 's incarnation and once people get realisation they

> bow with

> > full surrender

> > better than any one of us at initial first moment.

> > This time is different. You are also welcome to come to Calcutta ,

> > Chhatisgarh , Orissa and other

> > parts where every day SY programme is going on and the message is

> quite

> > clear " The great Mother

> > has come to emancipate people from sufferings and give them Moksha

(

> > Mokshpradayani).

> > Besides, followers of Kabir , Dadu Dayalji and other Vedanta

> students

> > /Aacharya's are also spreading her message not through SY system

> but at

> > their own initiative after realisation.There are many such

> instances.

> > SY is obvioiusly not any organisation but a collectivity of

Mother's

> > children and to guide such a big

> > family some people are called leaders who give sufficient time to

> manage

> > affairs and keep an eye

> > on all, as directed by the people.

> > Like your son and daughter here in India there are many miracle

> realised

> > souls have taken birth

> > with Kalki's white horse in hand and stories unending but these

> are not

> > spoken for safety of such

> > invaluable assets of our SY family. Your children are our assets

so

> please

> > hold on until time ripes.

> > We are not here to judge anyone but ourselves as Kalki's work has

> started

> > and SHE knows all those

> > who speak too much, those who claim too much, those who write too

> much,

> > those who do not do anything , those who are silent outside and

> those who

> > are silent souls.

> > Kartum- Akartum is state when a person is in SY and a Sahaja Yogi

> in true

> > sense.

> > Everything in Nothing is the state Mother has given us.

> > Silence --by non-reaction from outside and inside both but yet

> manifesting

> > Will of Her is SY.

> >

> >

> > With love

> > Kumud Sharma

> > *

> > On Jan 21, 2008 5:31 PM, jagbir singh <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi Yogikumud,

> > >

> > > First of all i would prefer other SYs NOT to join in the

> criticism. i

> > > wanted to say this for some time and this is the right

> opportunity.

> > > Two of us are more than enough to bring SY to task, and compile

a

> > > database for future generations to realize how the SY leadership

> not

> > > only hijacked the Will of Shri Mataji, which they proudly admit,

> but

> > > also Her Divine Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. i

> have

> > > serious doubts if SYs like Yogikumud even comprehend what is

> really

> > > at stake, and get all worked up for no good reason. They seem to

> > > forget that demanding SYs to be honest and fearless in defending

> Truth

> > > is a vital requirement of Self-realization.

> > >

> > > Yogimund, i just want to ask you these simple questions:

> > >

> > > i) Do you think we SYs have the duty to speak up against all

> forms of

> > > lies, hypocrisy and falsehood as did the incarnations like Shri

> > > Krishna, Rama, Jesus, Guru Nanak, Gobind, Prophet Muhammad etc?

Do

> > > you think they have erred for doing so? If not, have Violet and

> > > myself erred?

> > >

> > > ii) Will you send WCASY members/SY leaders the same advise if i

> gave

> > > you evidence of their criticism/lies against fellow SYs? Will

you

> > > admonish them for being dishonest about the Adi Shakti's advent

> and

> > > message to humanity (which i regard as a crime against

humanity)?

> > >

> > > iii) Are you only concerned about the welfare of SYs? Don't you

> think

> > > the rest of humanity are also the creation of the Adi Shakti,

and

> > > deserve our respect, compassion and honesty? Do you believe we

> (which

> > > includes you too) should be conscientious and truthful to them

so

> > > that they are aware of Shri Mataji's Divine Message which SYs,

> unlike

> > > Her, only dare discuss in private?

> > >

> > > iv) Do you even know the meaning, purpose and power of Sat

> (Truth)?

> > >

> > > i will be much obliged if you are as truthful as you are

> defensive of

> > > SY in your answers. Please answer all questions. Thank you.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> > > --- In

> <%

40>,

> > > " Violet "

> > >

> > > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Yogikumud,

> > > >

> > > > From what you say it is obvious you do not understand the

> > > distinction between the organisation called Sahaja Yoga and

Sahaja

> > > Yoga Itself, which is one's Union with the Divine. Sahaja Yoga

is

> > > your Union with the Divine, which cannot be contained by any

> > > religious boundaries. Would you think that just because a

> Christian

> > > Minister addresses his whole congregation as 'Christians', that

it

> > > means that each and every person there, is a sincere, honest,

and

> > > true Christian? No! The minister addresses them as Christians in

> the

> > > hope that they will become sincere, honest, and true Christians.

> In

> > > the same way, just because Shri Mataji addresses all the people

> who

> > > attend to hear Her as 'Sahaja Yogis' doesn't mean they are

> sincere,

> > > honest, and true Sahaja Yogis, though She hopes they will be!

Shri

> > > Mataji has put a lot of faith and trust in those whom She

> > > calls 'Sahaja Yogis', but are Sahaja Yogis proving worthy of

that

> > > trust? Have they openly told Her Identity, Mission, Message and

> > > Evidence that She gave to confirm Her Incarnation? If not, why

> not?

> > > As for your disparaging remarks your ignorance is showing,

> especially

> > > since you know all that we have written " for long time " .

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > violet

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> <%

40>,

> > > " Kumud

> > > > Sharma " <yogikumud@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jagbir and Violet,

> > > > >

> > > > > Jai Shri Mataji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sahaji brothers and sisters,

> > > > >

> > > > > Reading your postings for long time and it seems you are

> > > > questioning and

> > > > > answering both to each other and

> > > > > speaking venom against SY, a creation of Adishakti. Even a

SY

> has

> > > > should not

> > > > > speak or express single word

> > > > > against other SY. How you can criticise when you are all

> that.We

> > > > see what we

> > > > > are in our own mirror.

> > > > >

> > > > > With love

> > > > > Yogikumud

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 9:24 PM, jagbir singh <adishakti_org@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > >

> <%

40>

> > > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > > " Violet "

> > > > > > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Jagbir (and All)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i have been contemplating on what Shri Mataji said at

> Sydney

> > > > > > Airport in 1994, namely that She said that " children from

> > > > Montreal,

> > > > > > who would not be in the organisation of Sahaja Yoga, would

> give

> > > > > > evidence to confirm Her Incarnation " :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > http://adishakti.org/forum/

> > > > shri_mataji_told_of_a_great_blessing_to_man

> > > > > > kind_10-04-2006.htm

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i recall that She said that we (Sahaja Yogis) would not

> hear

> > > > about

> > > > > > them now (i.e. 'back then'), but that we would hear about

> them

> > > > later

> > > > > > (i.e. 'perhaps now').

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Considering how much effort John Noyce, Alan Wherry et

al

> have

> > > > > > expended to prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the

> " special

> > > > > > children " Shri Mataji talked about ----- according to what

> Shri

> > > > > > Mataji said, their efforts will be in vain, for the very

> reason

> > > > that

> > > > > > She said that 'Sahaja Yogis will hear about them later!'

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i think that " later " is starting to eventuate.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Oh, btw. i still do wonder why they expended so many

> efforts

> > > to

> > > > > > prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the children,

> anyway!

> > > The

> > > > > > evidence that the children bring, is not threatening in

any

> way

> > > at

> > > > > > all, as far as i can see! (smile)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > warmest regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > violet

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Violet and all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In one of the previous post i wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " That is the main reason why, since leaving it years ago,

i

> have

> > > > been

> > > > > > able to so clearly see that Self-realization in Sahaja

Yoga

> is

> > > > but the

> > > > > > skin of the onion. The message of the Last Judgment and

> Qiyamah

> > > > > > delivered by the Adi Shakti is the rest. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Without question the message of the Last Judgment and

> Qiyamah

> > > > > > delivered by the Adi Shakti is almost completely dependent

> on

> > > the

> > > > > > testimonies of the three children over the years. Take

away

> that

> > > > > > evidence and all you will have is the shell that is Sahaja

> Yoga

> > > > > > today. There is just no way the Divine Message can be

> delivered.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The central message of the Comforter, Last Judgment and

> Kingdom

> > > > of God

> > > > > > requires the evidence of independent, third-party

witnesses.

> > > This

> > > > has

> > > > > > been abundantly provided by them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The same goes for the central message of Qiyamah and His

> Ruh. In

> > > > fact

> > > > > > you are inviting extreme danger by declaring Qiyamah to

the

> > > > Muslims

> > > > > > without the Sure Signs of the Quran witnessed by Kash, and

> the

> > > > > > questions he posed to the Adi Shakti regarding them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kash was also pivotal in questioning Guru Nanak regarding

> the

> > > > Aykaa

> > > > > > Mayee. For the first time in the history of Sikhism the

> > > Primordial

> > > > > > Mother has been revealed, and the Divine Feminine is again

> > > > ascending.

> > > > > > She is the Inner Guru mentioned numerous times over the

> > > voluminous

> > > > > > Guru Granth Sahib.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then you have the Adi Shakti Herself who stands beyond all

> > > > > > scriptures, including that of Hinduism that describe Her

in

> the

> > > > > > greatest of detail and are vastly superior. Never has the

> > > Sanatana

> > > > > > Dharma reached this epic height. (i have always maintained

> that

> > > i

> > > > am

> > > > > > like an ant trying to understand the universe, and at most

> 2%

> > > > > > enlightened. i am talking about the Devi and all that i

have

> > > known

> > > > > > about Her till today. That 2% includes the message,

> evidence and

> > > > the

> > > > > > esoteric nature and knowledge of the Last Judgment and

> Qiyamah

> > > > > > delivered by the Adi Shakti.)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes Violet, we all have to wonder " why they expended so

many

> > > > efforts

> > > > > > to prevent Sahaja Yogis from knowing about the children,

> anyway!

> > > > The

> > > > > > evidence that the children bring is not threatening in any

> way

> > > at

> > > > > > all " . Till today the children have never inquired what is

> > > > happening

> > > > > > in Sahaja Yoga, or how are SYs reacting. In fact they are

> not at

> > > > all

> > > > > > concerned, or wish to be known or acknowledged in any way

> > > > whatsoever.

> > > > > > They are just like the millions of children leading a

normal

> > > life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But ever since they started giving evidence of the Adi

> Shakti SY

> > > > > > leaders began a campaign to demonize them. Ex-world leader

> Yogi

> > > > > > Mahajan started a very successful propaganda campaign to

> > > discredit

> > > > > > and assassinate their character, even inventing

unspeakable

> lies

> > > > just

> > > > > > to expel them out of the school in Dharamsala, India.

(Shri

> > > Mataji

> > > > > > was powerless to stop him despite Her explicit

> instructions!)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Richard Payment, Ed Saugstad, Kuntal Sood, Raj and others

> just

> > > > picked

> > > > > > his lead and did the rest. Today Alan Wherry and John

Noyce

> are

> > > > just

> > > > > > the tip of this massive mountain of negativity that

prevails

> > > over

> > > > the

> > > > > > entire SY organization.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As mentioned earlier, without question the message of the

> Last

> > > > > > Judgment and Qiyamah delivered by the Adi Shakti is almost

> > > > completely

> > > > > > dependent on the testimonies of the three children. " Shri

> Mataji

> > > > > > said, their efforts will be in vain, for the very reason

> that

> > > She

> > > > > > said that 'Sahaja Yogis will hear about them later!' " And

> SYs

> > > are

> > > > > > slowly but surely starting to hear about them. It is only

a

> > > > matter of

> > > > > > time now before SYs realize what really transpired right

> under

> > > > their

> > > > > > noses, and the efforts of the Alan Wherrys and John Noyces

> to

> > > > > > suppress the very evidence given by Shri Mataji to prove

> who She

> > > > is.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since Sahaja Yoga is nothing else but the Adi Shakti

> delivering

> > > > the

> > > > > > Divine Message there is absolutely no way the SY

> organization

> > > can

> > > > > > survive without the testimonies of the children. The only

> chance

> > > > of

> > > > > > survival for the SY organization will be to acknowledge

all

> that

> > > > the

> > > > > > children have given testimony about the Devi. Given the

> present

> > > > dire

> > > > > > straits that the organization is in that is a forgone

> > > conclusion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even if they resist, Shri Mataji's eventual Mahasamadhi

> > > absolutely

> > > > > > ensures their demise. There is just no way it can survive

> > > without

> > > > the

> > > > > > testimonies of the children.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i know that more and more dissenting voices demanding

> > > > transparency in

> > > > > > announcing Shri Mataji's advent and message will be heard

> over

> > > the

> > > > > > years within the SY organization. Our job is to bear

> witness,

> > > > record

> > > > > > and protect the Truth that proves Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > incarnation of the Adi Shakti sent to deliver the Divine

> Message

> > > > to

> > > > > > humanity. Under no circumstance must this conscience be

> > > > compromised.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards to all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jagbir

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i came across a wonderful quote that resonates deeply in

my

> > > heart,

> > > > > > one that buttresses the foundation on which the

> > > www.adishakti.org

> > > > > > site is built:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " I believe that any religious teaching that does not free

a

> man

> > > to

> > > > > > know God and retain his personality and mind is a cult or

> > > becoming

> > > > > > one. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Having said that, i also believe that the present SYSSR

> with all

> > > > its

> > > > > > fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty has become a

> cult.

> > > > That

> > > > > > is the main reason why, since leaving it years ago, i have

> been

> > > > able

> > > > > > to so clearly see that Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga is

> but

> > > the

> > > > > > skin of the onion. The message of the Last Judgment and

> Qiyamah

> > > > > > delivered by the Adi Shakti is the rest.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i cannot find the words to describe this unprecedented

> synthesis

> > > > of

> > > > > > all major religions and their holy books. It is so

> liberating

> > > and

> > > > > > comforting to the mind, body and spirit to realize that

your

> > > > faith is

> > > > > > based on daily personal experience of the Cool Breeze

> promised

> > > by

> > > > the

> > > > > > scriptures to all those taking part in the Blossom Time.

> You are

> > > > not

> > > > > > talking about a single religion but the collective core of

> all.

> > > As

> > > > > > the Adi Shakti has said so beautifully:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " The main thing that one has to understand is that the

time

> has

> > > > come

> > > > > > for you to get all that is promised in the scriptures, not

> only

> > > in

> > > > > > the Bible but all the scriptures of the world. The time

has

> come

> > > > > > today that you have to become a Christian, a Brahmin, a

Pir,

> > > > through

> > > > > > your Kundalini awakening only. There is no other way. And

> that

> > > > your

> > > > > > Last Judgment is also now. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty will never

free

> a

> > > man

> > > > to

> > > > > > know God/Self. Please discard the useless onion skin that

> the

> > > > present

> > > > > > SY organization has made a cult into. Please free your

mind

> from

> > > > the

> > > > > > fear of being labeled a non-SY or told to leave if you do

> not

> > > > follow

> > > > > > their fanatical rituals, doctrines and dishonesty. Please

be

> > > > truthful

> > > > > > to your Self and your fellow humans. Please be as

> transparent

> > > and

> > > > > > fearless and conscientious as Shri Mataji was ....... and

> still

> > > > is.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > warmest regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jagbir

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>