The central message of Comforter, Last Judgment and Kingdom of God requires the

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir, Violet and All,

 

The excerpt below, from Violet's message summarising Jagbir's previous forum

contribution, has also given me cause to contemplate more deeply on the

importance of understanding the role of the " children " about whom Shri Mataji

spoke in 1994 and about whom She said we would hear again at a later time.

 

[Reasons why Mystical Evidence to Confirm Her Incarnation Was Needed:

 

a./ to confirm Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the Incarnation of the

Adi Shakti

b./ to make sure Her continuing Message of Christ's Last Judgment and

Resurrection gets out to the world-at-large

c./ to fulfil the eschatological requirements of Christianity & Islam

d./ to give evidence of the Kingdom of God (Sahasrara)

 

Jagbir, if you can edit these points even better, or add to them, it

would be

greatly appreciated.]

 

e./message #8939 " The central message of Comforter, Last Judgment

and Kingdom of God requires the evidence of independent, third-party

witnesses. " ]

 

 

The points above regarding the children's role in providing mystical

evidence to confirm Shri Mataji's Incarnation are of great

importance. Not only is the mystical evidence presented by the

children necessary for every Sahaja Yogi(ni) to understand fully,

but it is also vital for Christians (and everyone else, too)

encountering these points for perhaps the first time to be

absolutely clear as to the reasons why the children DO have a

crucial role to play in this present Incarnation of Shri Mataji.

 

Upon initial reading of these points however, I, too, had a desire and need for

further clarification and feel, therefore,

that others might also appreciate expanded input.

 

For example, referring to parts b, c,and e):

b) Does this simply refer to the adishakti.org website's existence

and the role it is playing to make the message, that this IS the

time of the Last Judgment/Resurrection, available to all humanity

via the internet? Can this be elucidated further?

 

c) I understand that Islam requires the 'Sure Signs' to be

fulfilled. The children's experiences fulfill these eschatological

requirements of Islam, but I don't know specifically how

Christianity's eschatological requirements are fulfilled by the

children, since Shri Mataji does talk about Last Judgment, Second

Birth...

 

e) Is this because Shri Mataji said " special personalities would

give evidence of Her Incarnation " or is there another reason(s) for

this statement? Does the Bible, for example, also speak of the

requirement of independent third-party witnesses (angels, perhaps?)

giving evidence for the message of the coming of the Holy Spirit,

Last Judgment and Kingdom of God?

 

Warm regards,

 

Gerlinde

[Guest guest]

, " magdca "

<gerlindesattler wrote:

 

Dear Jagbir, Violet and All,

 

The excerpt below, from Violet's message summarising Jagbir's

previous forum contribution, has also given me cause to contemplate

more deeply on the importance of understanding the role of

the " children " about whom Shri Mataji spoke in 1994 and about whom

She said we would hear again at a later time.

 

[Reasons why Mystical Evidence to Confirm Her Incarnation Was Needed:

 

a./ to confirm Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the Incarnation of the

Adi Shakti

b./ to make sure Her continuing Message of Christ's Last Judgment and

Resurrection gets out to the world-at-large

c./ to fulfil the eschatological requirements of Christianity & Islam

d./ to give evidence of the Kingdom of God (Sahasrara)

 

Jagbir, if you can edit these points even better, or add to them, it

would be greatly appreciated.]

 

e./message #8939 " The central message of Comforter, Last Judgment

and Kingdom of God requires the evidence of independent, third-party

witnesses. " ]

 

 

The points above regarding the children's role in providing mystical

evidence to confirm Shri Mataji's Incarnation are of great

importance. Not only is the mystical evidence presented by the

children necessary for every Sahaja Yogi(ni) to understand fully,

but it is also vital for Christians (and everyone else, too)

encountering these points for perhaps the first time to be

absolutely clear as to the reasons why the children DO have a

crucial role to play in this present Incarnation of Shri Mataji.

 

Upon initial reading of these points however, I, too, had a desire

and need for further clarification and feel, therefore, that others

might also appreciate expanded input.

 

For example, referring to parts b, c,and e):

b) Does this simply refer to the adishakti.org website's existence

and the role it is playing to make the message, that this IS the

time of the Last Judgment/Resurrection, available to all humanity

via the internet? Can this be elucidated further?

 

c) I understand that Islam requires the 'Sure Signs' to be

fulfilled. The children's experiences fulfill these eschatological

requirements of Islam, but I don't know specifically how

Christianity's eschatological requirements are fulfilled by the

children, since Shri Mataji does talk about Last Judgment, Second

Birth...

 

e) Is this because Shri Mataji said " special personalities would

give evidence of Her Incarnation " or is there another reason(s) for

this statement? Does the Bible, for example, also speak of the

requirement of independent third-party witnesses (angels, perhaps?)

giving evidence for the message of the coming of the Holy Spirit,

Last Judgment and Kingdom of God?

 

Warm regards,

 

Gerlinde

 

 

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Dear Gerlinde and all,

 

i am more than willing to answer any question. In fact i appreciate

this open and free enquiry that broadens as well as deepens our

collective understanding of Shri Mataji's Advent and Divine Message.

i do include myself too because questions make me concentrate on the

answers and clarify them better. The internet is a great source of

knowledge that was either previously unavailable to humankind, or

took years/decades to spread. And if you add the speed at which facts

can be cross-examined, added or edited there is just no comparison.

Decades can know be compressed into minutes. For the first time in

human history it is possible to change consciousness as quickly as

time can be compressed. This is truly remarkable and bodes well for

the future success of Shri Mataji's Advent and Divine Message.

 

Then there are times when i discover facts that i never realized

existed before. The latest is:

 

The Lok Mata of the Jaap Sahib

http://www.adishakti.org/meeting_his_messengers/guru_nanak_3.htm

 

Even though i was born a Sikh i never came across Guru Gobind paying

homage to the Lok Mata (Mother of All). i have now realized that

almost the entire Guru Granth is paying homage to the Adi Shakti, the

active and creative power of Waheguru (God Almighty). She is even our

individual Self! 99.99% of humanity do not know that.

 

i know that over the years answers to all sorts of questions on this

forum have further enriched the websites. Using Shri Mataji's quotes

as a guideline we are now venturing deeper into the Divine Forest.

And by using the revelations of the Adi Shakti in the Sahasrara as a

compass i am 100% convinced that we will never lose our way or turn

back in doubt. That direction is absolutely accurate; as true as the

needle always pointing to the magnetic north and the Devi claiming

since time immemorial that She resides within the Divine Forest of

the Sahasrara. Only a few days ago Her incarnation Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi again reiterated that eternal truth:

 

" But on the day of Sankranti we should know that we should appease

the Devi residing within us and should know how to please the Devi. "

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Sakshat Sankranti Puja in Pratishthan, India - 17 January, 2008)

 

>

> The points above regarding the children's role in providing mystical

> evidence to confirm Shri Mataji's Incarnation are of great

> importance. Not only is the mystical evidence presented by the

> children necessary for every Sahaja Yogi(ni) to understand fully,

> but it is also vital for Christians (and everyone else, too)

> encountering these points for perhaps the first time to be

> absolutely clear as to the reasons why the children DO have a

> crucial role to play in this present Incarnation of Shri Mataji.

 

That is so true. Remove the children's evidence from the equation and

what do you have? - just another guru pretending to be divine.

 

And how are Christians going to believe that Shri Mataji is the

Comforter without them confirming and describing Jesus Christ being

always with Her?

 

How are they going to believe that the Last Judgment is taking place

without their narration of the Holy Spirit within, and that Shri

Mataji is indeed the promised Comforter and incarnation of the Holy

Spirit?

 

>

> Upon initial reading of these points however, I, too, had a desire

> and need for further clarification and feel, therefore,

> that others might also appreciate expanded input.

>

> For example, referring to parts b, c,and e):

> b) Does this simply refer to the adishakti.org website's existence

> and the role it is playing to make the message, that this IS the

> time of the Last Judgment/Resurrection, available to all humanity

> via the internet? Can this be elucidated further?

 

Without question that is indeed the case. The www.adishakti.org plays

a central, indispensable role. In fact the message cannot be declared

without their mystical evidence. There is no way SYs will ever

convince humanity that the Last Judgment is taking place with their

subtle system approach. People are going to laugh in disbelief.

 

Even trying to convince people to get their Self-realization has been

an abysmal failure over the decades. Today the situation is hopeless.

 

Given that sobering reality there is no way for the SY organization

to dare declare Shri Mataji's Advent and Divine Message. And they

have not. And they will never be able to do so. www.sahajayoga.org is

just another pea in the pod, just another yoga, just another kundalini

school, just another self-realization school, just another false guru

pretending to be divine and able to raise the kundalini:

 

" All the people laugh at us, nobody believes us! "

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Diwali Puja Talk - 2007

 

 

The very survival of Sahaja Yoga now depends entirely on the existence

www.adishakti.org and its related sites. By Sahaja Yoga i mean the

message of the Last Judgment declared by the Comforter:

 

" Today, Sahaja Yoga has reached the state of Mahayoga, which is en-

masse evolution manifested through it. It is this day's Yuga Dharma.

It is the way the Last Judgment is taking place. Announce it to all

the seekers of truth, to all the nations of the world, so that nobody

misses the blessings of the Divine to achieve their meaning, their

absolute, their spirit. "

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

 

 

Only the www.adishakti.org and its affiliated sites are obeying Shri

Mataji to the letter. Surely the Divine has its way of working around

the negativity, and set in motion the means to overcome all obstacles.

 

>

> c) I understand that Islam requires the 'Sure Signs' to be

> fulfilled. The children's experiences fulfill these eschatological

> requirements of Islam,

 

" Revelation is not a mechanical or material thing. It has to be

safeguarded from being distorted or corrupted by ignorance,

selfishness, or the powers of evil. How can its precious and subtle

worth and the spiritual safeguards against its misuse by human folly

or the perversity of evil be expressed in plain human words? We can

imagine a very great treasure, which has to be transmitted. To

guard it against evilly-disposed persons, a strong escort is

required, to march in front and behind, so as to protect it from all

sides. When it reaches its destination, the escort presents its

credentials and an Invoice showing the Treasure being transmitted.

Then the destined receiver knows that it has come intact and feels

satisfied. So, about spiritual Revelation, the spiritual man

recognises the credentials and checks the contents on the tablets of

his own heart and insight. He has then no doubt that it is a true

Message from Allah, and those who bring it are the true

messengers " of their Lord. "

 

Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur'an, 1989.

 

>

> but I don't know specifically how Christianity's eschatological

> requirements are fulfilled by the children, since Shri Mataji does

> talk about Last Judgment, Second Birth...

 

" And Jesus spoke again unto the eleven and said,

" Grieve not because I go away for it is best that I should go away.

If I do not go away the Comforter will not come to you.

These things I speak while with you in the flesh,

But when the Holy Breath shall come in power, lo,

She will teach you more and more,

And bring to you remembrance all the words I have said to you.

There are a multitude of things yet to be said;

Things that this age cannot receive because it cannot comprehend.

But, lo, I say, Before the great day of the Lord shall come,

The Holy Breath will make all mysteries known —

The mysteries of the soul, of life, of death, of immortality,

The oneness of man with every other man, and with his God.

Then will the world be led to truth, and man will be truth.

When She has come, the Comforter, She will convince the world of sin,

And of truth of what I speak, and of the rightness of the Judgment of

the just;

And then the prince of carnal life will be cast out.

And when the Comforter shall come, I need not intercede for you;

For you shall stand approved, and God will know you then as he knows

Me. "

 

Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ 162:4-11

Levi, M. D. Rey: DeVorss & Co., 1988.

 

The very credibility and success of the Last Judgment rests entirely

on the identity of the Comforter that Jesus promised will be sent by

Him in the name of the Father (God Almighty). i have already explained

earlier this central role of the Comforter. Without question mystical

evidence must be presented confirming that identity if people are to

believe Her.

 

The Cool Breeze is the Holy Breath's trademark. i just have no words

to justify its priceless uniqueness in terms of eschatology,

spiritual value, personal experience, exclusivity to the believers of

the Last Judgment and immunity from piracy/duplication. Only subtle

system SYs cheaply hawk it at garage sales and roadside stalls where

most onlookers leave in disinterest, wondering " What's it all about? "

 

>

> e) Is this because Shri Mataji said " special personalities would

> give evidence of Her Incarnation " or is there another reason(s) for

> this statement? Does the Bible, for example, also speak of the

> requirement of independent third-party witnesses (angels, perhaps?)

> giving evidence for the message of the coming of the Holy Spirit,

> Last Judgment and Kingdom of God?

>

 

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,

I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh:

And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

And your young men shall see visions,

And your old men shall dream dreams;

And on My servants and on My handmaidens,

I will pour out in those days of My Spirit;

And they shall prophesy.

 

Acts 2:17-18

 

 

" Angels are real, part of reality. Angels are not mythical beings,...

Angels are persons; they have their own personalities and

characteristics.... They stand before the throne of God and praise

Him. Angels are real. And they are here...

 

Islam, Christianity, Zoroastrianism, and Judaism, bring out the

important differences between good and evil spirits, between angels

and demons. They understand that angels are with God, from God, work

for God, that they are good, that they are powerful — much more

powerful than bad spirits — and that they are with us and for us. "

 

Robert Faricy, Italy, January 8, 1995

(Janice T. Connel, Angel Power, Ballantine Books, 1995.)

 

 

" According to the Holy Scriptures, the angels, human beings, and all

nature were created by God. With the words, " In the beginning God

created Heaven and earth " (Gen. 1:1), we have the first indication

that God created the spiritual world. Here, in contrast to earth, a

substantial world, this world of spirits is called Heaven. The angels

were already present during the creation of the starry skies,

which is evidenced by the words of God spoken to Job, " When the stars

were created, all My angels sang praises to Me " (Job 38:7).

 

On the creation of the angels, Saint Gregory the Theologian expresses

the following thoughts: " Since for the goodness of God it was not

sufficient to be occupied only with the contemplation of Himself, but

it was needful that good should extend further and further, so that

the number of those who have received grace might be as many as

possible (because this is characteristic of the highest Goodness) —

therefore, God devised first of all the angelic heavenly powers; and

the thought became deed, which was fulfilled by the Word, and

perfected by the Spirit … And inasmuch as the first creatures were

pleasing to Him, He devised another world, material and visible, the

orderly composition of heaven and earth, and that which is between

them. "

 

Angel in Greek means messenger. This word denotes mainly their

relationship to man. They, as our elder brothers, reveal to us the

will of God and assist us in reaching salvation. Man, from the

beginning of his state in paradise, knew of the existence of the

angels. This fact is reflected in many ancient religions. "

 

The Nature of Angels, www.fatheralexander.org/

 

>

> a./ to confirm Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the Incarnation of the

> Adi Shakti

> b./ to make sure Her continuing Message of Christ's Last Judgment

> and Resurrection gets out to the world-at-large

> c./ to fulfil the eschatological requirements of Christianity &

> Islam

> d./ to give evidence of the Kingdom of God (Sahasrara)

 

By taking all my answers Gerlinde it is possible to understand the

above points better. You may further google www.adishakti.org for any

of them - Adi Shakti, Comforter, Last Judgment, Resurrection, Message

of Christ, Kingdom of God, Sahasrara - and detailed answers are

available. The official Sahaja Yoga sites have 5% of that knowledge,

and i am in a generous mood today. Hope i have convinced you that:

 

" The central message of Comforter, Last Judgment and Kingdom of God

requires the evidence of independent, third-party witnesses. "

 

regards to all,

 

 

jagbir